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$2.7M Verified: The Former Janitor Who Beat the Stock Market
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Ravenloft wouldn’t describe himself as smart, but he’s made
$2.7 million in verified profits over the past two years, all while
running his own company as an entrepreneur.
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His approach is the opposite of what most traders expect: no
complex indicators, no constant screen time, and no chasing hype.
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Instead, he built his edge around patience, simplicity, and a
strategy most people overlook - consistently selling options on
companies he actually uses and understands.
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this relaxed conversation, Ravenloft shares the thinking and
principles behind those results.
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Chapters:
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00:00 Intro
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02:00 Starting with $10K and early investments
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04:00 “Buy what you use” investing philosophy
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06:30 Discovering options and the wheel strategy
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14:30 How he finds investment opportunities (like nuclear)
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21:00 Scaling the strategy with small accounts
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24:00 The real risks: psychology, greed, and discipline
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27:00 Life lessons
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Simplicity beats complexity.
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Patience is the real edge - the market rewards patience over
activity.
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Premium income compounds fast - by reinvesting option premiums, he
accelerates growth without needing new capital.
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High win rate comes from risk control - targeting small, consistent
returns (around 0.75–1% weekly) keeps losses minimal.
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You don’t need full-time trading - he spends roughly an hour per
week managing trades while running a company.
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Dude, I might be pumping my company right now and might might
lose all your money, dude. You can't trust anybody until you
know them. 2.5 million in verified profits in the last 2 years?
>> a janitor before when I was in college and stuff.
That's why I got to college and stuff. I used to have a wealth
manager who never beat the market ever in 10 years. So, I said,
"Let me try doing this myself." So, have money and a whole
bunch of patience and ignore everything else. So, I trade on
Robinhood a lot. I buy Robinhood. I fly United a lot. I buy United.
Now, I bought 0.75 to 1% premium income. If you
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can find companies that truly have a moat, that's great.
You can probably ride the trend. It doesn't matter how rich you
are. It doesn't matter how much money you make. You are going
to [ __ ] die. Welcome to Transparent Traders, where we interview
only verified traders with proven profits. Today, we talk with
Ravenloft. I hope I'm saying that right. Who has made 2.5
million in verified profits in the last 2 years. He has one of the
most beautiful Kinfo curves I recently saw. So, tell me, Ravenloft,
how did you get started and how much did you get started with?
Because a lot of people that make this amount of money started with
a lot of money.
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So, I'm just curious, how did you start, Scott? So,
thanks for that and thanks for inviting me. inviting me. inviting
me. I'm going to preface this by telling everybody, everybody,
everybody, I'm not so smart and they should believe that
they're not so smart. I don't think anyone is that smart.
Um, there's a lot of luck that goes into this [ __ ] Um,
there's a lot of patience. As you know, the man from Omaha says
that the stock The stock market, my favorite quote, is a venue to
take money from the inpatients to the patient, right? So, having
patience for me is a very critical thing. critical thing. critical
thing. The accounts before Kinfo had $10,000. But,
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they included, you know, investments in a few private
companies and public companies. I only started, you know, you know,
you know, trading on trading with Kinfo when I got into the option
world, which I started doing precisely on October 24th. Um October
2024 was when I started option trading the capital pool that
I'd developed by then. So, it was um with a $10,000 start in
these accounts that I had, right? So, it was $10,000 in a private
company that, you know, I I I I used to invest small diluted capital
in very early stage, very risky ventures that I thought had
potential because they hit trends that the markets needed. And you
know, it's a
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portfolio approach like the movie business where you put
money into, you know, many things that would fail, but only one
movie does well and you're putting nothing in that private
portfolio to do well. well. well. About 2022, I put about 10,000
into this one I put about 50,000 into four or five different private
companies, one park. Right? Right? Right? And then and then I used
to have I used to have a wealth manager who never beat the market
ever in 10 years. So, I was like, let me try giving this myself a
sommelier. And um my first principle was let me buy things that I
want to own because I use them. So, I trade
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on Robinhood a lot. I buy Robinhood. I fly United a lot. I
buy United. buy United. buy United. Um Um Um you know, I started
with my first My first principle was buy what you know. You
don't know everything, but at least you know what you use. So,
for me, the definition of know is do I use it? Do I like it?
Let's go buy it. That's the starting point. Right? So, so
I mean, so that that's kind of the first rule of that you
followed when you invested in and companies yourself. It's
It's just literally been do I do I like it? And that's it.
Because I I'm I'm reading an investment book at
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the moment where everyone's talking about moats. Yeah,
absolutely. Like you I've read quite a few of these Russell the
Jazzman and, you know, blah blah blah, all these books that come out
there. Um the primary reason a person writes a book is to make
money. So, they write it so you buy it. I don't really
subscribe to. I'm 50 years old now. Um I used to read a lot of
these books and honestly, I don't read ordering long enough. Um
when I read books I read about true fiction. Um I do believe
companies have modes and I'm probably using them because they
have a mode. If you can find companies that truly have a mode,
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that's great. You can probably drive the trend, but
modes disappear pretty rapidly with the advent of technology now.
You know, SaaS was a big thing 2 years back and now SaaS eclipse is
here. So, was that a mode? Yeah, I also got to like worry about
that. that. that. So, like that's that's the
million-dollar thing, right? Because I'm reading a book from
and the book must have been written about 8 years ago right now.
right now. right now. And it's giving examples of companies
with good modes and then I look them up on the stock chart and the
stock's been going down the last [ __ ] the 3 years. And
I'm thinking, well, this isn't this
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isn't very good and modes can decline. They can uh they
can decline so quickly. So, because for Yeah, exactly what you just
said. Um technology changes. Newspaper businesses aren't
popular anymore. Newspapers aren't popular anymore. A lot of
different things change. But, so what do you specifically look for?
What did you look for when you invested in the companies other than
the fact that you like them? Here's how my my life ran and how
it worked for me and then it was these these principles of all that
you grow your capital too, right? So, start by buying things you
know, defined by not that you know the business because you actually
never know the business until
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you actually work in the business. But, what you actually use
you likey and you see other people use it, right? That for me is
mode enough at a given point, right? right? right? Second, you know
the power of patience. Why? Because Why? Because Why? Because you
want to exploit the compounding that happens when you make returns
on these stocks, right? So, for example, when I sell an option,
right? I make premium income and if I redeploy that premium income
into that same company that I'm investing in, it's
compounding the growth just because of the income you're making
in selling options, right? So, if you see my key info history,
it's basically up on option selling,
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right? Um and this year I I decided to even double down more
on just sell. If you If you sell something, you never lose. lose.
lose. And that asset value might go down on that sale, but if
it's a good company which is quality that you actually know and
like, and like, and like, you know, it's going to amplify,
right? Over time. Um, they have sticking qualities, right? So, that
that that, you know, that is my advice to people which is if you
don't know anything about investing, just buy something you
like and then just start selling options on top of where you can get
to 100 shares and 100 shares you give you wing
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to machine that will allow you get to 150 shares and then you
get to 200 which gets you the two contracts which gets you You know,
that's patience. Does the wheel strategy ring a bell at all?
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, this is this is I wasn't so
smart like all of a sudden this amazing thing and then I looked it
up and oh, there's something called the wheel and the books
about it. I'm like, okay, maybe this is public common sense,
right? So, yeah, I do I do I do I I'm not a strict wheel. I set
my limits limits limits on put options now at about .75 to 1% of
premium income. premium
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income. premium income. And I only do one week premium I only
do one week options. So, when I sell, I'm not greedy again.
Third rule is don't be greedy, man. That's the greed that
gets you, right? So, if you if you see my win-loss ratio, I'm
close to 100%, right? Go look at year-to-date and I'm close to
100%. Last year I was fooling around with trends. That's the
That's the That's the the the third rule of mine, right?
Which is don't be greedy. Um, and I'm now I'm now
about to put in stone a fourth rule which is talk to people.
I've never done this before. I don't tweet. I don't
do any of that
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stuff, but I met a few I got talking to people online. It was
just interesting that some of these communities that pop up and some
of these, um, Substack out there. Um, so, I don't know what you
said. Yeah, Substack, right? I don't get paid by anyone, but I
started making a few friends online. Um, I can definitely recommend
a couple to go sign up for. Um, some are paid, some are free. I tell
you the one that I love is Don't Don't laugh at me, but
it's called The Capital. Don't take some out. I kid you
not. I actually flew up and I met the people behind it. Just because
I started talking to
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them a lot and, you know, they do some deep research on some
amazing plays. Oh, I I don't post, but like on Twitter, for
example, I follow this person called Serendipity. He just got quoted
yesterday is in The Wall Street Journal, I think, as a blogger. So,
you know, you you have to put yourself out there. You just learn
more stuff and that's my fourth room coming up now that I think
it's about 2026. I'm going to double down, which is like
getting more, you know? Like this podcast is getting a word. If you
do the teachings of this chart to year-to-date, you'll see what
I mean by if you sell something, you never lose
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on the gain for tab that you have open. Yeah, so I'm
I'm not going to address right now. So, I'd say on a week,
you've made 6.66k so far. But we had the holiday, but your win
rate is 100%. You won You know you had a great rate, right? Because
you either did no zero rates months. Yeah. Um, so even the calendar
journal entry because I love that because, you know, you'll see
at the end of the year based on your net asset value of the
underlying stock that you own and you can use to write off some of
the losses, right? So, you'll see you're like the
consistent like, yeah. yeah. yeah. But I
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can say on a month, you've you've won 96% of the
time, which is almost no losses. 3 months, 84% and then yearly,
you've won And then because December would have been kicking me
down with the net some batch loss selling, right? Of the net asset
base below me, right? To optimize my taxes. All all time, you
winning more than five out of five times. And that's obviously
if you didn't deviate from the strategy, it would uh that would
be higher. And the strategy is a war, right? Like I said, I hold it
like in terms of how much you're selling and buying. In the
early days of my existence, I was buying and selling and
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swing trading and trend trading and doing all of this. And
now I'm like, screw it. I spend an hour in the morning on
Mondays or Sunday nights setting trades and then I wake up if an
alert shows up during the week or it goes out things on a Friday
after doing well enough so I can get an extra day off option into
them. You know what I mean? Off off off feeder. For the next week
like this morning I woke up there were a few in the 80% profit range
so I was like take the profit and get an extra day on the length of
time for the option for next week. Oh no, so
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what? We got a full-time job just so you know. I mean I did
all my job, right? I actually have a job, right? right? right? Um
actually it's just yeah. So you run a company you run a company
right now and you've also made 2.5 million on the side over the
last 2 years all while running your own company which we all know if
like I know if been an entrepreneur it's it's the most
time consuming hard It is all it's it's um you can go
check it out it's called Slip. Um it's public company
actually you're going to not be in it. Um we love what we do
we've been public on the Toronto
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Stock Exchange for many years. Um I'm going to make real
wealth I'm going to make real wealth there, right? This is just
fun stuff. It's fun making money while having fun. So like you
know I just like having fun guys. You got to have fun in life. You
can't take all of this stuff too seriously. I also rule number
five go and use margin. I never used margin it's from this guy.
It's patience with my 10,000 base that you keep building and I
don't like I used to not have patience. So so love you
you've got a really nice curve yeah you can obviously see that
you've got a very disciplined structured process because
you've
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took very few losses it's a very smooth curve. The only
the only kind of blip is this The December video December tax loss.
In my blips it's stupidity the December blip. blip. blip. And
you know to take the tax loss of the underlying asset base. Who
likes tax? Everyone want to die and I don't want to pay taxes
but I can't control I would but what the [ __ ] just minimize
it, be healthy, get some fresh air. Don't sit there trading for
like 9 hours or less standing up, you know what I mean? I mean? I
mean? Yeah but like you say that I'm only You say that
you're not very clever but like you've started
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your own company it's now public on the exchange
you've invested in a bunch of other companies a couple of them
have blew up. You've now took yourself to options. It's
working. So, hey, what's the secret? Well, if I was that smart,
I wouldn't be trading because I'd have enough money not to
trade. Let's just start there. And also my company, while it is
public on the Toronto Stock Exchange, no disrespect to my Canadian
friends, I love you guys a lot, but the [ __ ] is public in Canada
when why am I not on the Nasdaq? That's our plan. We're
going to get there, right? So, no no disrespect to Canadians. I love
you Canadians. I you
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know, you done a lot of work up there. Um but you know, I
just want to come to the money here, right? And it's interest,
right? Like I mean I mean it's a good learning place. I mean to
me the markets really kick you down because you learn, you meet
people like these kids who started The Capital who I just absolutely
absolutely love. I would give any banker friend of mine a challenge
to beat the research that these guys do when they get interested in
a stock. So, I mean I want to go on your options and I'm going
to but I'm just saying like with when you made a lot of money
on the
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nuclear company or when you invest in a company today, I know
that you say that you've got to like the company or maybe use
the company, but you're not you're not using a nuclear
service. So, like how do you find that stock to invest in and what
where where's the trend come from? Where how where did you spot
it? Well, we all use energy, right? I'm sure you like
electricity. Would you like to go back to the dark ages? No, the
[ __ ] you don't. It's too I mean you don't have to
do it now. Exactly, right? So, you're using energy. You're
using nuclear right now. Right? Now, I knew nothing about nuclear
till a few
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years back. Before I started my company, I was helping build
out base station telecommunication sites telecommunication sites
telecommunication sites for a company that's public actually in
India now at some insane valuation and I learned about energy and we
went from, you know, you know, you know, diesel generators to lead
acid batteries to fuel cells and we started looking at micro nuclear
back then, right? So, I kind of knew what it was and then, you know,
I had a friend who called and said, "Listen, I'm doing
this nuclear startup." And I laughed. I mean I shouldn't
have but you know what nuclear, buddy? Like you don't you know,
it's going to you don't know it's going
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to like really explode. And sure it exploded and you know,
again, I meet people, I talk to them, you get to know people, you
feel comfortable with them. You know, I don't live behind the
screen. screen. screen. And I really encourage people don't do
that yourself. Because there's a lot of learning out there and
everybody has their own ecosystem. Um Um Um and I trusted him.
He's like, come on, let's let's let's you know,
come in at the come in at the founding level as a, you know,
whatever friends and family investment in my company and I did and
you know, he turned out to be a great guy and guy and guy and you
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know, he's a better friend of mine now because he made
me money. We could put him back then, but I was kidding. He's a
pretty good guy. But you know, that that that is how I got into it.
It's not like I didn't know it. You know, I did know it. I
don't know the theory, I don't know the physics, but you
do know that we need a new source of energy from burning fuels.
Right? Right? Right? And you spend all this money building massive
utility scale solar farms and wind farms which are ugly as [ __ ]
and make a lot of noise and kill birds. What do I care about the
birds? But I do
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love birds. Let me disrespect to the bird lovers here. Right?
But you know, this is another form of that which is probably easier
and the next gen and all of all of France runs on nuclear. And
they're not a third one. And Japan. So, So, So, I live in Japan
for years. So, yeah. Nah, very nice. Nah, it's a So, it's
it's a it's a little bit of common sense combined with
supply and demand combined with an emerging technology that you know
and and and a lot of luck. So So, so So, talk to me about this then.
So, cuz I I I know strategy now. I understand it basically, but so
you all we
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saw those who many don't know anything about options,
but for the people that don't know what options are or how they
work or anything like that, you you are selling calls. Is that
right? right? right? >> I'm selling calls. I'm
I'm starting off with a little some money. Right? Wait a
minute. Take some money. Take some a Star Wars money. Okay? Yeah.
Use your brain. That's all you got. Start with money and a
whole bunch of patience and ignore everything else. Choose one
company. Buy a you need to buy 100 shares or say I don't even
want to buy the 100 shares cuz I'm scared. I just want to
commit this capital to selling a
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cash secured put. And wait for a week. And if the money adds
the premium income and I didn't get exercised, really your
money for you just the cash has become slightly high. I love cash.
He He's going to step in there right now. Can I cook it? Okay,
guys, just came. So, so this is for one week. And if it works,
works, works, sell another put for the next week on Friday if
you've got a 70 to 80% gain or if you're starting off with
a 50% gain, buy back that put. It's It's now it's
stinging me a little bit, right? So, what's So, you're
selling a put say if if Facebook on Meta is
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at 150, are you is do you sell the put at like 148 or
something like that? >> Then we get the premium income. I
don't do it so close because again, rule number four,
don't be greedy. Rule number five. Rule number five is
don't be greedy, right? I do it at a 1% or less premium based
on the premium value of that option. option. option. So, whatever
the premium income is, so if it's 150 is the market value of
it, So, it's like you're going to sell it for 150 or
something. Yeah, so if it's one if it's 1% or less,
I'll set it at that or below based on where I think that share
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price is going to go for that week. Who knows? Just take
care. take care. take care. 1% you're being a little bit
greedy, but that's fine. Don't cross 1% is my opinion. I
never do. You know, You know, You know, um 175 175 pretty safe.
Sometimes if the stock really dips and you end up What's the
worst thing that will happen? You'll end up holding Meta.
Great, then sell a covered call the next week. But that's the
flip side, right? And then December 15th, check what the net asset
value is in your account for that particular Meta. You capital gains
or capital loss and decide whether you want to keep dealing it
because now your
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premium income is far exceeding the cost of put shares. Just
Just go guys, read about wheeling. It's just like you said the
right word. Wheeling is really the right word to think about, right?
Like it is right, you But But I don't set the premiums at
market or just below market or one up. I set them to continue
accumulate wealth accumulate wealth accumulate wealth with less
risk, basically. And then just about people who don't know
options, it's basically selling one contract, which is the
equivalent of 100 shares, and you sell that contract to some degree
lower than the current price on a relatively solid company, and you
will collect money, you collect a premium, you'll
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collect money. Someone's bought it from you, so you also
sold them that contract on exactly. Right. Um most of the time it
doesn't drop cuz it's a good company, and if it does drop
you just sold it on a good cut. You just sold it. In this market
environment, it drops and goes up and down each down each down each
And I never I never I never ever So say for example, you're in
your example, I sold the put here, but the market price is here, and
by Friday the market price is here, which means I can buy that stock
much cheaper. I still won't take a loss. I'll just let the
let it exercise
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and keep the stock. Then believe in the company, I kind of
understand it I'm using it directly or indirectly. They never
take losses, which is why you don't see losses on my profile,
right? profile, right? profile, right? Yeah, cuz you're going
to then own the shares, which you'll then what? Sell at a
profit or I sell at a profit sold. No, I'll just take the calls
and do it gets exercised. And if it end of the year comes around and
I owe Uncle Sam a lot of money, which I will. Okay. Okay. Okay. Just
show them to take that tax loss down, right? But you got to have
patience patience patience to keep going. Like
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take silver for example, right? What is it today? 73? I got
exercised at 95. But dude, I think my effective cost of silver was
like 30. Yeah, I mean, but if you think about it, it's almost a
strategy that's con it shouldn't really lose in the long
term cuz as long as you're buying, I mean, what are the types
of companies that you like to go for when you're selling puts?
Do you have examples of like Craig and Apple, but you don't
mind owning? Right? Things that you don't mind owning. owning.
owning. Yeah. It's simple as that? It's that simple as
that. I don't I don't really I'm not that smart.
I'm telling you [ __ ]
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things that I like owning, man. There's nothing in my
portfolio I don't know actually from a I'm not the expert
on it, but I can hold a conversation about the topic. Look, this
strategy is not without its cons. Understand this, right? If
you're here to become the [ __ ] you can dictate who, you know,
has made you going to give up some upside in this strategy. Because
when you when you own the stock, look, if you never get exercised,
which is a theoretical impossibility, selling puts you will not own
something at some point. Right? point. Right? point. Right? If you
don't I would love to know what share. I mean, you just try it.
I mean,
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I didn't get exercised for a while and I was like,
"Oh, I'm so good." And then maybe I should take a
little bit of 2% 3% premium. And then I did it and I got exercised
and I was like, "Oh, my god. Oh, no." Oh, no." Oh,
no." You know what? Maybe I'll just stay where I am. I
know my place in life. Um Um Um but when you get exercised and when
you own something, it's like, "Hey, I own Apple." I
started with Apple I think if you remember correctly. Um which was
like, yeah, I started with Apple I think cuz like an easy one to do.
It's safe. You know what I mean?
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I will have it right now and I have a $250 covered dollar on
it. Um Um Um and last year I was also experimenting with longer lens
a little bit more just because, you know, these things go up and
down, right? So, then when you set your call, you can decide whether
I think it's going to go up, so I'm not going to set the
call because I think it's like right now, for example, Ford,
right? I want a bunch of Ford. Right? Right? Right? I can sell
covered calls for this week because I was hoping that it's been
down down down it's going to spike. And you also want to sell
your covered call
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when the share price goes up, right? Cuz you get a higher
premium. Right? So, you can decide that then once you own the stock.
Then it's like any other regular investor who owns the
portfolio. And then you, you know, you decide whether you want to
take the capital gain or you want to cap the capital gain because
you like the premium income coming in. coming in. coming in. Is
there any There's two customer questions on this that I've
got. I mean, the first one is is this strategy in any way Is it Is
it able to be replica replicated for someone with a smaller account
or is it like it's a 10K strategy at minimum
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or is it a kind of be a 2K strategy? >> Well, you got
to find shares that you can be right to buy or take me you make sure
this is interesting because some of you biotechs are low enough in
price that you can buy a hundred lots. You know. You know. You know.
>> But then you you'll get stuck with one that you
don't want though. Exactly. I think he's Snapchat is a
good one at six bucks seven bucks and it's a pretty my kids use
it so I figure if the whole world's using it and I don't
know why they stopped that whole little crazy but like the good one
maybe you'll you
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got to find you got to find a smaller account traders it is
definitely doable for a smaller account or you know, I'll say
this again. You have done the hard work of talking to bunches of
people online and I can clearly do that. There's another app
for after hours that I will I just signed up for all of you know,
curiosity. You could start by like like go to Dick Capital and just
pick the next pick. You know. I know those guys well maybe I'll
ask them to like send their sheet. Because they do deep issue
actually buy a couple of their shares and do the swing trade. They
have swing trading, you know, I
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like build a pool of like 5,000 bucks. 5,000 bucks. 5,000
bucks. On a swing trade to the market's so volatile and then
you can start doing this. Yeah, but when I when I found out about
the the wheel strategy it's actually been something I've
been interested in a while that's like for example, if you own
a stock, why would you not sell covered calls against it? Like why
would you not? Because like if you own that I don't know
it's like like why would you not? It's like having a
vacation home and not renting it and it's just sitting there
doing freaking nothing. I don't know what it is. So what's
the risk man? What's
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the risk on this? Yeah, I think it's like just the
question. It's really the risk is you. And your personality.
Are you going to sit there and moan about oh [ __ ] that stock
bumped to like 50 bucks and I had a covered call at 40 and I lost 10
bucks. Hey, it's not a loss if you haven't >>
[laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> If you
hadn't owned it it's not a loss. It's a fictitious
loss, right? And what happens is all the workers just put unlimited
loss in some of these trades as the potential up you have an
unlimited loss. If you're making profit, you're making
profit. Take the profit and be happy, but
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some people get annoyed pissed off that they lost that extra
10 bucks. That's a person That's a you problem, you know
what I mean? It's a personality issue. And some people just
don't want to do that. You've said that you don't
need to be super intelligent. You've said that it's super
simple. You don't have that many rules. Just buy what you like,
buy what someone else recommends from a credible source, network to
find out these first picks. A credible source or credible source?
You can go buy what someone recommends. Who's a credible source
because everybody in a bull market is a stupid idiot. You don't
know who these people are. You don't know what they
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intend to do. do. do. You don't know what they're
pumping. Dude, I might be pumping my company right now and might
might lose all your money, dude. You can't trust anybody until
you know them, right? Or I've seen their their their spanking
recognition, right? Are they credible? I'm telling you I'm
making you just go to the capital, go to surrender pretty.
They're amazing people. Another one called M Finance. I love
that guy. Um, you know, just the three of these guys, guys, guys,
you know, two on Twitter, two on Substack. One on One on One on
Twitter, two on Substack. You've got a lot of patience and you
seem to have a lot of discipline.
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So, where where did you get that from? Have you always had
patience and discipline? Did you grow it? Did you take some massive
losses? I guess when you don't want something too much, you
really are not going to go after optimizing everything, right? The
whole world is geared about like, you know, know, know, the key in
life is to never want anything too much. If you want something too
much, too much, too much, you make stupid decisions. And I can you
know, it's it's easy for me to talk about this now. I
actually acknowledge the privilege of sort of printing into my life
for myself. But it wasn't a lot, dude. I'm an immigrant
that
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came to this country just everybody know. I came here I was
like a I was a janitor before when I was in college and stuff.
That's how I got through college and stuff. Um, I didn't
go to university in America, right? Like I came here on an exchange
program and all that stuff, but it's just work hard and like,
you know, be honest and like, I'm sorry. I'm not going to
be someone to daddy you, but like, like, like, that's
discipline. You know what I mean? Just do Don't be greedy.
Don't be greedy. Oh, what you think of it? It was like you
can't be always always someone better than you. They'll
always have a
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bigger medal. They'll always have a bigger car or house,
[ __ ] plane. There's always something better, a better brand.
better brand. better brand. Uh do you think if you if you come
across to America, you you you grow up with less, you just you value
what you've got more cuz You know, here's the funny thing.
I I've been very lucky in my life to know people who made like
billions, literally. And the more money you make, the less happy you
are. I've heard that. Okay. And I tell you it is it is a
paradox of amazing proportions where you know, I I I I have
I've gone through those phases actually and my my my my
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my my life's story was like my entire goal was here,
when I buy a house and pay it off, I'll be the happiest human
being. And when I put that down, I was like, "Fuck, now
what?" It took me a while to figure out what's my next go
to There's more fun, you know, you don't always remember,
I hate to say it, in the chase than the kill, right? Like it just
is. There is more fun. And enjoy the ride, right? Basically. I
understand what you're saying because I've been in a
similar situation 2020 2021. I had a really I had a good a good
trading year where I did well and I was doing
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a bunch of advertising stuff in Dubai. And I bought an
apartment, not not no grand apartment, no grand house. I bought an
apartment cash. And I thought and I was thought I had the happiest
person in the world. I can just live for free and do nothing. But
but then then was somehow still I've still got that apartment,
saved more money since. money since. money since. But I'm still
like wake up terrified and I need to make more money. Like I'm
scared about it. I got I got I got nervous thinking I I I need to
make more to be safe. Like it it's never enough. And you never
have enough of it, man. It's
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not for the ego, it's for me It's for me to get I
know it is. It comes in the form of security. Exactly. Oh, it's
security? Like what's that about? It's security. Yeah, it
is, man. And that's a you know, yeah. And that's a source
of being driven also in some ways, right? Your personality drives
it. Okay, I'm a secure human being. You know, I I don't
know like I think it's a it's actually great to go
through, you know, you know, you know, go through like a situation
of pain in life or What What's the word I'm looking for?
Diversity Not diversity, but like um No, friend. No, friend. No,
friend. Yeah, suffering. Yeah,
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that's right. Thank you. That's the right word,
right? Because you actually appreciate it more. It's the same
thing like, you know, it's like it actually makes you stronger
and you can take the hits and your risk tolerance actually will
increase, right? I don't think my kids will be as strong and,
you know, as I am because they have a better life than I. And
that's a good formula, you know, like you just that that that
that instinct you have and that, you know, the hustle. That's
the right word. Hustle. Right, hustle. Yeah, yeah. Adversity.
That's the word I'm looking for. Adversity, right? Yeah.
Because you've been through adversity, right? It's
actually the most powerful driver
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of labor, right? It doesn't matter how rich you are. It
doesn't matter how much money you make. You are going to [ __ ]
die. And the question is are you going to die painfully or are you
going to be sitting here at the age of 60, 70 and not being able to
walk properly or not being able to get a nurse or something like
that? And then you got to look back to what the [ __ ] was I doing
in the first few months of my life, right? Dude, I'm on
I'm on multiple medications. medications. medications. Like you
have my You have my medication box. So, right here, you know, all my
medication. I'm not going to
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but like you got to monitor just like you monitor a stock.
Think about it. Your body in the pickles. What are your metrics of
success? Finally, when he wants to get started in the similar
strategy strategy. Do you have any kind of golden nugget, any tips,
any pieces of advice for people to replicate what you've done?
I have I have a really I have a really favorite board in life where
winning winning winning is overrated is overrated is overrated and
losing is underappreciated. But it's the power to keep going.
That's important. important. important. Right? So, don't
get disheartened by early losses or swings that happen. Just have a
strategy though and be patient, right? right?
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right? And if you just stay at it, you'll understand it
and be better next time. Young people who are dying to make a
million bucks and be that trader out there, there, there, they get
suckered in with the bag because people are just [ __ ] on crap,
right? crap, right? crap, right? So, just please beware of on that,
right? I mean like just you have to be careful about that. Yeah, and
and that's just one of the main things with Kinfolk as well.
That's what we try and do. And we try and like not every trade
I needs to be on Kinfolk, but at least the mentor should be. If
you're selling a service, like please
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at least be on Kinfolk or fully on verify how much money you
don't make. If you're teaching, at least be on Kinfolk and
and prove it. But you got it. Raven craft, Raven lock, thank you
very much for [music] your time. I think you've passed on some
nice words of wisdom, some good advice, some some home truths that
people need to hear if they haven't already. And we'll
call it there. Thanks. Nice, man.
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You make $16 million trading 1 hour a day. Their tweets are
not paying my bills, but 16 million surely is. What often
inexperienced short sellers do is they keep looking for the stock
that's going up and up and up that's up 5 6 7 8 100%. So,
this is exactly what I'm looking for on the daily chart. And I
turn this losing day into a $20,000 winning day. I've got a
question that I think no one will have ever asked you before. I
think a lot of people were betting on me to fail. Surely people have
been asking you to be on Kinfall for years. So, why now? Welcome
back. Today we're joined by Alex
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Teis, co-founder and mentor of My Investing Club. Alex has
built 16 million and we're very, very, very pleased to say
Kinfo verified trading profits. He's best known for shorting
some of the world's worst companies in the market. And on this
episode, we're going to talk to Alex about his recent
verification. and he's also going to give a lot of knowledge
back and go through some charts, looking at a little bit of
strategy, some tactics. But first of all, Alex, how does it feel to
uh dominate the number one spot on the Kinfo leaderboard? Kinfo
leaderboard? Kinfo leaderboard? >> You know, it feels good. It
feels good. You know, it's 11 and a half years of
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trading all culminating into one moment. So, yeah, it's
really exciting. I picked up this quote um from something that
you'd said in the past. He said, "Warren Buffett finds the
best companies in the world and he bets that they'll go higher.
You find the worst companies and you bet that they'll go
lower." Uh, can you tell me a bit of like is it that simple
that you just you bet on things to go down and make 16 million? Like
what's the catch? >> Yeah. So, let me kind of give you a
little bit of a backstory. So, 11 and 1/2 years ago, I was a barista
at Starbucks making coffee. I was making around 200
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bucks a week and I had a girlfriend at the time and back then
gas was expensive. It was about 50 or $60 to fill up my gas tank.
Maybe to go to the movies was like 50 or 60 bucks as well.
Popcorn's 20 bucks. Sodas this that. So by the end of it, maybe
I had like another $50 to $80 left, right? And what ended up
happening is my girlfriend broke up with me to be with a rich guy.
And I was totally devastated. And I said that I have to get rich to
get back at her. So I started researching the best ways to make
money in America. And it was real estate and
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the stock market. Real estate has such a large barrier to
entry. If you didn't have a lot of money, you couldn't get
involved. Stock market, you could open up an account with as little
as $500. So, that's what I did. And when I first started
trading, every single time I bought a stock, every single time it
went straight down, I would hit buy and it would go straight down
every single time. You know, cuz we were taught back then, you know,
with there wasn't really much like education or anything like
that, but we knew buy the breakout, right? Every time I bought the
breakout, it would go straight down, right? So, my first year, I
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lost money. And then I discovered what short selling was,
which is making money when stocks go down. And I was like, this is
perfect. Instead of hitting the buy button, if I just hit the short
button, I'm going to be rich, right? I was like, these things
already go down anyway. If I just hit the right button and it goes
down, that's how I'm going to make my money. So, my first
short trade ever is on a stock called VGGL. I don't know if you
remember, it's delisted by now, but I shorted 2,000 shares at
$4 a share. Stock went down 50. I made $1,000. That was the most
money I ever made at the
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time, and I was hooked ever since. But what ended up
happening is, like you said, is it as easy as shorting every single
stock? I learned the hard way that no, it was not as easy as
shorting every single stock. I had no process. I had no routine. I
had no strategy. I was just trying to again, every time I hit buy, I
would just hit short. And that's not really a strategy. So my
first year I lost money trading, you know, by my second year I
started to break even when I discovered short selling. But my third
year I started making about $100 to $200 a day. You know, refining a
strategy that was
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repeatable with your like there's a lot of short sellers
in the market, right? There's something in like I don't
know 2019 2020 it got popular. Everyone realized this phenomenon
that if you short the worst companies in the world, they'll
actually go down. But not only that, people realized that there was
locates that they were getting more and more accessible. So then
everyone started to do it. So how come everyone's not making
money? Like what are you doing different to those people?
That's a really good question. So I think what got first short
selling more popular is I think everyone could relate to the fact
that like stocks just go down when we buy them. I
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mean like as normal retail traders, I mean how many I could
tell any retail trader out there, have you bought a stock and it
went straight down after, right? A lot of people say yes. So I think
it's something that's like naturally relatable. Okay, like
the same way that I said, okay, instead of I if I do the reverse,
I'll make money, you know, I think a lot of people start
catching on to that. So what do I do differently? Right? So my
strategy is very precise in the time that I trade. So I don't
like trading pre-market. I don't like trading after hours. I
don't like trading in the middle of the day. I
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trade from 9:30 to 10:30 in the morning. 9:30 to 10:30 in the
morning usually has the most price discovery. It's when stocks
are the most volatile when the range is so expanded. So I have
plenty of room to make money on that range versus pre-market there
is no stops. You know the liquidity is less a lot of these moves are
getting more extreme. So I personally don't like trading in
pre-market. I personally would much rather trade at the market open.
So for me, I found that trading from, you know, 9:30 to 10:30 has
been the most consistent. I found that stopping my trading after a
certain time is also very very important as well. You
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make $16 million trading 1 hour a day. Like, is that is that
how it works? >> Yeah, definitely. Definitely. A lot of people
don't believe it. A lot of people don't like it. But the
way I relate it is this. When you're at the casino, do you make
more money when you're playing at the tables longer or when you
walk away? Same thing in trading, man. The the thing that happens at
the casino is the longer you stay, there's something called the
house edge. The house takes your money over time. And in the market,
the algos take your money over time. So, I discovered that kind of
walking away from the market around 10:30, I've
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seen that the volume shrinks, the alos take over, and things
get really choppy. So for me, I found the most profitable window is
9:30 to 10:30 in the morning. And that's kind of where I stick
to my trades. trades. trades. >> Yeah. No, I think it's
fantastic advice because when you think there's like the market
is overwhelming for all new traders, there's too much to learn.
So imagine you just focus in and narrow in on one hour a day. And
it's like it's like you've got you've got 10
times the exposure to that one hour rather than looking at 10 hours
a day if you recorded your screen and looked at 1 hour and over
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and over. So, I can understand how you like specialize in
that moment, but what I I've been in your room and I've
seen what you trade and like what I noticed was one of the strongest
uh points of of your trading and teaching was you seem to know
exactly what was going on. Like you seem to like know like this
stock's being pumped by this room over here and oh this
company's got some shares diluted and I thought he knows the
reasons. Like it's like you're in Wall Street. It's
like and I'm like how how do you get that knowledge? How do you
know these things? things? things? >> Right. So I think that
trading
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is a combination of kind of being a detective and kind of
being an artist as well. You have to be a detective to understand,
you know, to use clues to understand the big picture and you have to
be kind of like an artist to kind of paint the picture after. So for
me, if you're trading a stock and you don't know all the
information on a stock, then why should you be trading it? You know
how many traders I talk to that trade stocks that don't even
look at the news that's moving the stock? That's number
one, right? So, you should at least know what's moving the
stock. Is it moving on news or is
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it not moving on news? Because a lot of these stocks move on
no news, right? But if you know that this is moving on like a
pharmaceutical trial and it's on phase three of the trial,
that's usually for me something to step on the brakes because
that has a higher probability of kind of going higher versus
something else. Maybe it's a letter of intent, right? You know,
I could draft up a letter of intent and send to my grandma.
It's not going to really make a difference for the stock. But
for me, I have to know what's moving the stock. And a lot of
traders, they don't even look at the news. So, I look
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at the news, right? And then I look at the daily chart as
well. Is this the type of stock that every time it gets major
volume? Does it push up and come back down or does it have multi-day
moves? Right? If you know that a stock is historically pushing up
and coming back down, chances are history is going to repeat itself.
It's going to come back down. Or another example is is the
company have dilution? Right? An example that I've been given
that kind of helps relate to people is like imagine there's
only a hundred of these watches that exist. If the manufacturer
comes out and says, you know what, we're going to start
bringing
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out 2 million of these watches. It'll bring the price
down. It'll bring the value down. So if you know that
there's dilution on some of these names, that the
company's introducing more supply into the market, that's
going to bring it down as well. So, it's my job to essentially
be a detective and find out truly what is the reason that the stock
is moving and is it some sort of reason that warrants a move higher.
You know, most often than not, if these companies partner with like
an Nvidia, bro, that's very, very dangerous to short because
Nvidia is the most valuable company in the world. But if you're
seeing the stock is up 300%, you
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don't even know the news. You try shorting it, you get
dead. But for me, if I see that and I see that they're
partnered with Nvidia, maybe it's going to go to 600%. you
know, so you have to be able to know what's moving these stocks
is so many traders, they got even no clue what they're trading.
Yeah. And I think, you know, like I think to actually trade for a
lot of people, and and I'm speaking from my point of view as
well, it's like it's not it's not rocket science.
It's not it's not something impossible. It's
it's almost like you've just got to stick to the rules and
follow them. And the rules
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aren't very difficult to follow the news, to to check
the dilution, to check the long-term chart, but for some reason, you
can you can um treat trading like a business. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And everyone else can't.
You can you can not get over excited think, no, no, I'm just
going to I'm just going to skip the preparation this one time.
I'm going to skip the research this one time cuz this stock
looks like this a great opportunity. opportunity. opportunity.
>> But you you don't get involved in that. And how were
you treated like a business? Why did you learn that? >> Uh I
mean I wanted to be successful, right? And
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in any aspect of life, like you know, I remember when I first
started trading, there was a guy that, you know, would show up at
9:25 a.m. and start trading and he would keep losing money, man, at
9:20. What the hell are you doing waking up at 9:25? So I saw that
person treating trading as a hobby or treating it as gambling. But I
would wake up early. I would read the news on every single stock. I
would read the filings on every single stock. Oh, look at the daily
charts of every single stock at least 10 times before this guy woke
up, right? And what ended up happening is that guy is no longer
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around and this is where I'm at. Yeah. Cuz when you
think about it, you can probably say like, look, like maybe three
out of 100 traders, four out of 100 traders will make it long term.
But like how many tra like you teach, right? You've got a big
you've got a decent sized room. MIC, I think MIC is in its
eighth year now. Is it seventh eighth year? year? year? >>
Seven years. you're seven years into MI. It's it's a
it's a good size room. Um you teach a lot a lot of people. So
like how many do you see who are really doing it right or and how
many are you constantly saying no,
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you've missed that, you've missed this, you've
missed that because like is there a reason 97% fail? fail? fail?
>> Yeah. I mean look, I I mean I may sound a little bit
biased, but the people that kind of join our community are very
serious about trading. So like I don't want to be involving
someone that wants to get rich quick, get Lambo or something like
that cuz the reality is like trading is a sacrifice, right? So think
about a doctor. A doctor has to go to medical school for like 8
years. You know, a lawyer has to go to law school for 6 years. An
engineer has to go to engineering school for 5 years.
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But me as a trader, if I sacrifice even a year of learning, I
mean over a certain amount of time, I've made more than a
doctor, lawyer, engineer combined in one day, right? So, it all
comes down to a sacrifice. And I feel like the people that are
joining MIC are willing to make that one-year sacrifice to improve
their trading and get to the next level. But if you're not
treating trading seriously, if you're the guy that's
waking up at 9:25, cuz it happens, right, it's going to take a
lot longer to find that consistency and find that success in terms
of like going back to when you started out. Do you feel like that
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there was anything anything kind of in your growing up or in
the the way your dad brought you up that gave you a bit more of that
instilled discipline than say someone like me from England who got
drunk every day at 15 and not as discipline? discipline? discipline?
>> Yeah. I mean the reality is I always wanted to be
successful. I always wanted to have money. You know I I grew up
watching all those like old school Wall Street movies with the nice
cars, the nice suits and all that and I wanted that. And I started
to realize that the only way that you know you get to those levels
is by putting in the
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work, man. It's just putting in the work. And I always
wanted to do something. But I never knew where to focus that
attention to. So when I found the market, you know, I was watching
videos on YouTube every single day all day long. I wasn't
watching Netflix, you know, I wasn't watching HBO. I was just
literally watching trading videos cuz I felt like I finally found
the avenue that would allow me to focus my attention and focus my
passion on something that could give me the goal that I wanted which
is you know being rich and successful. >> Yeah. And did you
have time in a in a prop firm or anything like that or
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I saw an interview when you were at SMB? Were you an SMB for
some? >> I was at SMB trader for about a year. For about a
year it was an amazing experience. Seriously. And did you you did
some like um some sort of training there or some learning there in
background or how come it wasn't like a three or a four or five
year thing or it was just one? Yeah. So I was there for about a year
and I was trading on their desk with their capital uh pretty much
full-time. Uh it was actually a really awesome experience because
they sat me next to the best trader I think I've ever seen in
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my entire life. His name is Shark. You know there's
legends of this guy and all this stuff but he's probably the
best trader and I learned a lot from him. But eventually what ended
up happening is they were really serious about the traders that they
wanted on their desk, right? They wanted you 100% focused on
trading. So essentially they gave me a choice. They said,
"Would you rather be a full-time SMB trader or would you rather
be full-time MIC?" So at that moment I chose MIC and you know
we still have a great relationship. I still talk to a lot of the
guys there and I think that I made the right decision for myself.
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Ah right. I didn't realize. So you were you were SMB all
of the way up until you decided to think, "No, no, look. I want
to start this room. I want to give back. I want to start trying to
teach others how to do it." >> Yeah. MIC was already
around for about maybe a year. So we were kind of catching a lot of
steam like growing really really quickly. So it was really tough for
me to manage being you know a professional Wall Street trader and
being you know a mentor. But I found a lot more passion from, you
know, helping other people because, you know, for me, I selfishly
like to hear that
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people find success from our help and trading is great and
the money was great. And, you know, asking myself, if I was put in
the same situation, would I have made the same choice now and then?
I think I would say yes, I would probably made the same choice. same
choice. same choice. >> Do you think there's anything
that uh people will get taught at SMB Capital? Do you think
there's any experiences in the prop firm that retail traders
are missing out on or that you'll pass down because you know
that you had it. So you want to make sure your members get it,
>> right? So I think it's very spec. I think it's
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very important to make a differentiation between the
professional prop firms on Wall Street and these funded demo
accounts, right? A funded demo account is not a prop firm. In my
opinion, that simulated trading stuff is all nonsense. This is a
real Wall Street legitimate millions of dollars in the account
trading that hits the market that's not demo that's not
fake. So that's number one. Uh so their biggest thing there is
twofold. Number one is I got to work with Dr. Brett Steamarer
who's the number one trading coach in the world for about a
year. So what they did is they had him on full-time retainer and I
was able to see him twice a week
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for I think it was about 30 minutes to an hour. And a lot of
traders there they didn't utilize that. So, I was trying to say
if you're not going to use your time, I'll use that time.
But working with Dr. Steam Barber was the best because he worked
with Paul Tudtor Jones and a lot of traders at Paul Tutor Jones,
they manage 100 million dollar portfolios each. So, here's a
guy that works with a hedge fund like this that is now taking that
knowledge and coming down to a little guy like us. So, I wanted to
utilize that as much as possible. So, that's something in the
professional Wall Street world that most traders
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don't have access to. You know, if you want to work with
Dr. steam barber now unless you got, you know, $10,000 an hour, good
luck, right? So, that was number one. Number two is I had a risk
manager. So, a risk manager is something that's in these prop
firms and hedge funds and their sole job is to make sure that risk
is managed properly. So, in the retail world, you don't have a
risk manager. Like, if things are going wrong, you know, the risk
manager taps you on your shoulder and says, you know, what's
your plan? Is everything going all right? What's going on here?
And in the retail world, you don't really have that.
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And also in the same thing that the risk manager checks on
you if everything's going bad, if you have a really high
probability setup, if you have a setup that you consistently make
money on over and over again, you could go to the risk manager and
say, you know what, instead of risking $10,000 on this trade, I want
to risk $50,000. Can you approve that? And if they are confident in
the setup, if you kind of work with them, they will raise your risk
for those setups as well. In the retail world, a lot of retail
traders think that you have to use the same risk, the same size on
every single trade. And that's
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just not the case. And also, I mean, I guess the final thing
is, you know, being surrounded by other seven and eight figure
traders, seeing how they're trading, seeing what they're
trading, learning their strategies. I mean, you know, being next to
Shark was probably the best experience I ever had. This guy was so
good, man. Like, I would say like he would have like four screens in
front of him. He'd probably be trading 10, 15 stocks all at the
same time. Million-dollar positions on every single stock.
You'd have a soccer game there, a football game there, and
eating a sandwich at the same time. He's amazing, you know? And
that was whatever like the six,
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seven years ago. Ever since then, he's gone on to make,
you know, gazillions of dollars. You know what I'm saying? So,
he at that level, he was unbelievable. And years later, he became
even crazier. But like uh what's what's the difference
between say uh a losing trader and someone like you who's
making six going on to well making seven going on to eight figures
or more than eight figures and then someone like Shock like is is
there like a mental difference between those three levels. So yes,
there definitely is. So, the thing about Shark, and this is that I
mean, he's very private, so I'll kind of keep it, you
know, a little bit low-key,
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but what I saw him do better than anyone else always, is when
he was wrong on a stock, he would market order himself out every
single time. He wouldn't think about it. He wouldn't wait
for a dip. He wouldn't say, "Oh, let me check." If he
was wrong like that, he was out. That's it. There was no
guessing. There was no waiting. There was no nothing. Out. And he
just got back in after when it confirmed. That's number one.
And number two is he was obsessed with trading. He was always early
to the office. He was always late to leave. He always did a daily
report card. He always put in the work, you know,
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and for a guy like me, I mean, I get a little bit lazy, man.
You know, instead of the weekends where, you know, I should be
making a daily report card and reviewing my trades, I like to have a
nice drink. I like to watch a little bit of TV. So, that's a
sacrifice, right? I sacrifice putting in less work, maybe making a
little bit less money, cuz that's not what I want to do.
I'm not here to make, you know, 20 $30 million in a year.
That's not what I'm interested in, right? Cuz that
requires a lot of work and a lot of sacrifice. I'd rather make
two three $4 million and just enjoy
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my life. So that's the sacrifice that I made. So what it
goes down to a trader a little bit lower profits than me is maybe
they haven't made the sacrifice of waking up early. Maybe they
haven't made the sacrifice of tracking their trades. Maybe they
haven't made the sacrifice of, you know, learning and know
seeing other opportunities. So it all comes down to a sacrifice. How
much are you willing to sacrifice to get to where you want to be,
you know? Yeah. And uh one one thing that clicked with me and I can
just be brutally honest, like I used to think that I really wanted
trading and I I wanted to I wanted to
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make it and um but I never wanted it as much as these guys
who are willing to go to Puerto Rico and just start up in an office
and and trade with nine other guys. Like I never wanted I would
never wanted it that bad. I wasn't going to London and being
like where's the trading room so I can be with eight guys who
wanted as much as me and trade every day. And I think like not many
people are like that. It's like one in a 100 people like that.
You ended up in SMB. A lot of guys are in rooms, but then out of
those rooms, they're like they'll go in offices because
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being in a room's not enough. They want to be in a room
and they want to be in an office, >> right? I mean I mean you
have to it's you are who you surround yourself with, right? If
your five best friends are alcoholics and ptheads, you're going
to be an alcoholic and pthead. But if your five best friends are
exercising and eating clean, you're probably going to start
exercising and eating clean. So you are who you surround yourself
with and I think that having a good trading community is very
important but you know I mean obviously there's nothing like a
Wall Street hedge fund where these guys are you know actual
professional level traders
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but also not at SMB. SMB was great, but I'm sure a lot
of these other places, some of these guys are right? You know, I
never had that experience at SMB, they were all really, really nice,
really, really easy to talk to, but often times, even if you're
in the right room with these people, they still might not be, you
know, nice people. Yeah. And look, and I'm sure people are good
people generally, like people who are millionaires and they're
starting to have a little bit of free time, but like they want to
give back. Like generally, people are good people. And I'm sure
even for you, like if you see someone grinding, grinding, grinding,
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working harder than everybody else, you're going to you
you'll reward them with your time a little bit, right?
You'll give them a little bit more. >> For sure.
Definitely. >> And I I think that's that's
that's the key lesson for anyone who's who's
who's trying to make it. And that goes for everything in life.
It goes into having a marketing business. It comes with having a a
company where you're so close and whatever like whatever you
put the most time in and it generally works. But going right back to
the start for you, like what did you start with? It's the most
common question I get on Kim for when I tell people, "Oh, he
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made 16 million." Yeah, but he probably started with 10.
So like what was what was your number that you started with?
That's funny. So back when I was at Starbucks, you know, I was
making around like 200 bucks a week. When, you know, my girlfriend
broke up with me, I would have like, I don't know, call it
extra thousand a month. So pretty much every single time like I was
making a paycheck, I was just kind of putting into the market. But I
blew up account after account, account after account. Like I stopped
counting after like 10 15 accounts. They're small accounts, you
know, 500,000 gone, gone, gone, whatever. What ended up happening is
I
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I had to start taking this seriously, right? And seriously
means you got to have skin in the game. If you're keep
refunding your account with a couple hundred dollars, you're
just going to get into this doom cycle, right? What's the
definition of insanity? The definition of insanity is doing the same
thing over and over again expecting a different result. I was being
insane. I was doing the same thing over again and expecting a
different result. So, what I did is I sold the rims off my car for
$2,000. And that was my last shot. And I said, "Dude, if I
can't if I can't make it, I have no car. I can't
drive. I can't
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do anything." Back then, they had these overseas Bahamas
brokers, which are really not even around now, that let you bypass
the PDT. I took that $2,000, I put it in an offshore Bahamas account
and tried to grow that 2,000. And my goal was to grow that to, you
know, like 10,000 to then put it into Interactive Brokers, right?
Eventually, what ended up happening, uh, 10,000 to put into
Interactive Brokers, but they had better borrows. And then
eventually I would move that to like a Cobra or, you know, one of
these like higher echelon brokers. Eventually, what ended up
happening is that $2,000 I was able to grow to 25,000. Thankfully, I
was able to wire
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that money out, bypass Interactive Brokers, move that money
to Cobra, and actually, I think I have a screenshot somewhere, and
I'm sure I could kind of send it to you. Is I was actually I
think Cobra is like fifth or sixth customer ever. I don't know
if I have the time to pull it up, but let me see. It might if
it's handy, I show you. You can send send us it and I'll I
can I can put it up on the screen as well. >> Right. So, yeah.
I mean, that's that's kind of what ended up happening. So,
my last chance was $2,000. Uh, sold the wheels off the car and u the
rest
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is history and I'll send you that as well. But like do
you feel do you feel like are you the type of person that whatever
they're going to do, they're going to do like 100% and
100% effort. So like you're in Starbucks like making the best
coffees ever like putting 100% in that this is going to be the best
mappuccino of all time. Like is it is it like pride in everything or
pride in what you love? >> Yeah. I mean here here's the
thing. my before I discovered what the market was and discovered
what that, you know, world was like, I was just like, I'm a
pretty damn good barista, man. Maybe I'll open
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like 10 15 Starbuckses, right? That's what I thought.
Maybe I'll just be like some sort of Starbucks like franchise
guy cuz dude, I know guys that own like 50 Dunkin' Donuts that
are millionaires, right? So, I was like, "Oh, like maybe let me
just be probably the best Starbucks barista. There's like a
certification course where you could become like a certified
barista. So, I'm an official certified barista. I could work at
any Starbucks around the world. Uh, pretty much, yeah, I mean, if
I'm into it, it's all or nothing, right? I have an
obsessive personality. I have an addictive personality, right? I
can't do drugs. I can't do anything like that cuz
I'll get addicted.
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But I'd rather be addicted to my work and addicted to
making money. So, as soon as I discovered that this world exists and
this world is possible because for the longest time, man, I thought
that the way to get involved in the market is I could just buy and
hold, right? That's what Warren Buffett does. Buy and hold. You
buy and hold, doesn't move, right? So when I discovered day
trading and being able to be in and out of a stock in like a minute,
I was like, "Holy cow." So once I kind of discovered that,
I became obsessed with that. And that's why I started learning
and improving. And even to this day, you
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know, 11 years in, $16 million in profits. I'm still
learning. I bought Lance's course. I watch all of Lance's
YouTube videos. Here's a guy that's made, you know,
gazillion more dollars than me that's putting out the info out
there. I'd be stupid not to watch and not to learn. So even at
this level, no matter how much I've made, I am still learning.
I'm still improving. I'm still putting in the work, you
know? And when you're trading, you're trading against a
guy like me, right? I'm on the other side of the screen, right?
So you have to be putting in more work than me to be able to beat
me. I've got a question that
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I think no one will have ever asked you before. And the
reason is is because the news has just come out. Uh PDT, finally
we're looking at removing the shackles of the 25,000. Is it
coming down to two? I think it's I'm hearing it's
coming down to two. Is it 2,000? Yeah. Uh what's your thoughts
on how this is going to impact the market in the years to come for
day traders? traders? traders? I think that here's here's
here's why they're doing it, right? So the market has now
become the casino. And what I mean by the market has become the
casino is the market makers, the brokers, FINRA, SEC, they start to
realize that
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first if the market is open 24/7 instead of 8 hours a day,
they're going to make more money in fees. If they start to
allow, you know, uh all day trading, they're going to make more
money. Now, the next barrier to entry is instead of having three day
trades per 5day rolling week with the PDT rule, now you're
going to get these guys trading all day in out 24/7 making money.
So, in my opinion, this PDT removal will help SEC, FINRA, brokers,
and all these other people get rich off the fees. They're going
to be swimming in money. What does it mean for traders like us? More
activity, more volatility, and more market participants. So,
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I think that we're going to be certainly entering a
level of stock market boom because think about it, crypto
doesn't have a PDT rule. People are trading crypto all day
long. It's a very liquid 24/7 market and the crypto brokers
like Coinbase are making so much money off all these fees. So, I
think a lot of the people on Wall Street are starting to realize
that wait a second, like let's turn the casino on 24/7.
Let's turn the machine on 24/7 and let's get these guys
that want to trade all day long to trade all day long. No more three
day three trades in a fiveday rolling period. Let them go crazy,
man. So, for
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a professional trader like me, I welcome it, man. I want all
these, you know, people to start entering the market. I want all
these people that don't know anything about the market, that
don't know anything about trading to start trading these things
because a shark like me is going to gobble up all their money. You
know, know, know, >> I remember the the good times of um the
stimulus packages and um and when I think it was Joe Biden was
throwing a bunch of money at at Corona virus and paying people to
stay off work. The last like maybe the last year or two it got a bit
slower in the bare market and now
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we're looking at the removal of PDT and all of the
maniac could happen again. So like how are you navigating between
hot market cold market hot market? Do you know what I mean? How how
are you controlling yourself? controlling yourself? controlling
yourself? >> Yeah. So I mean I'm welcoming it, right?
I'm welcoming it because the way that I related it to other
people in the community is imagine you're going to a poker
table. You know, when you're at the poker table, if you
don't know who the idiot is, it's probably you. And what
happened during the pandemic is so many idiots were coming on to the
poker table not knowing the game, not knowing the
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rules, and all the sharks just ate up all their money. So, I
think a similar thing is going to happen here where, you know, we
have a market that's being fueled by AI. We have a market
that's being fueled by lower interest rates. And how we have a
market that's being fueled by, you know, no PDT. I mean,
it's just going to introduce more participants. The more
participants that get introduced, more liquidity happens. You know,
when there's more liquidity, I mean, at the end of the day,
that's what the market structure is based on. So, I think that
again, we're in for at least two, three, maybe even five years
of just unbelievable trading action.
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And if I'm completely honest, I want to make so much
money these next two, three years I never have to work again. No
problem with with with >> how's how's are you are
are you incorporating AI much into your trading or your strategy or
anything like that? >> Um in my trading and in my strategy not
really to be honest but I'm using it in my daily life you know
I'm you know I asked uh I use chatbt most of the time I have
the premium subscription and I ask it probably about I don't
know 5 to 10 prompts a day. So five to 10 prompts a day is about,
you know, 300 prompts a
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month. 300 prompts a month is almost close to 3,600 prompts a
year. So I'm asking all types of questions, man. All types of
questions just to become, you know, smarter. But in my trading, I
haven't really found a reason to use it yet. Um, because
there's so many tools out there. I mean, I I know how to read
these. I know how to read the news. I know how to read the filings.
I know how to read a chart. Well, for me personally, I haven't
really found much use of it in my personal trading. And if
anyone's been using in their trading successfully, I mean, hit
me up. I would love to learn more. Very
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nice. I like that attitude. Right now, moving into Kinfo,
I'm sure a lot of people will be curious. I mean, it's
it's a funny thing, Kinfo, because um it's something that
started off smaller. It's grown bigger and bigger and bigger.
I'm I'm super pleased to be part of it. I'm super
pleased to see you've become part of it as well. But, um why
why now? Why after all these years? Because the last couple of
years, I know Kim for been like growing and stuff like that, but and
but surely people have been asking you to be on Kimfall for years,
so why not? Yeah. I mean, so I post all my IRS broker statements on
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my website. So every single broker statement that I send to
the IRS, I post on my website. So I've been doing that for
years and years and years, right? And it doesn't matter whether
you post broker statements. It doesn't matter if you live log
in. It doesn't matter if you're live trading. People are
always like, "Oh, it's fake. It's fake. It's
fake." Right. And eventually I kind of just got so fed up with
everyone saying that it's fake that I said, you know what, like
screw it. Let me start uh verifying on Kimo. The problem was that I
had brokerages from six, seven years ago that I lost access to,
right? Even think about the
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offshore broker that I first started with doesn't even
exist anymore. I lost all my loginins. Uh some of these brokers are
not around anymore. So for me it was always a little bit of a
headache to try to get access to all these old accounts because the
way that Kinfo works is you log into your broker backend, right?
You're not uploading a statement. You're not, you know,
sending them anything. You log into your broker back end and the
same trades that are reported to SEC and FINRA is what Kimfo is
using for verification. So the verification process is very
thorough. But I didn't really have my login. So you know I was
like, you know
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what, screw it, man. I'm like, let me just actually go
through the work, contact all these old brokers, reset the
passwords, find the security codes, and do all that. Eventually,
when I got all those login back, I uploaded them all to Kinfo and
became the number one trader. And it's a beautiful thing. And
congratulations on on being on the top. You may actually not know
this, but I never wear a shirt to interview people. This is the
first time I've ever wore a shirt on the Kin for podcast. And I
wore it specifically because uh as a as a token token of of respect
for you for for you being number one for you being
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number one taking my shirt off >> but um and like now
now that you've kind of of of now that you've I'm
just curious in general before and even now do do you think that
what's your thoughts on on others in the industry because
we're both in the industry a long time. we kind of have an idea
of who who has made the money and who might not have made the money.
Like do you think that like it should be something where people
should verify? Because like if you're teaching people, you
should at least be able to do it yourself. What's your thoughts
on that? Or do you think someone could just be a good
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teacher who hasn't made money? Yeah, I mean look, if you
have an educational program, I think it's a great idea to do it
because it only reinforces the fact that you are successful and you
are professional. But I know so many traders that make maybe more
money than me that are horrendous teachers. And then I know traders
that make a little bit less than me that are maybe great teachers.
So it all depends on what you're looking for. I think if
you're definitely selling an educational program, you should
certainly be verified. I think it only helps uh prove your case. But
at the end of the day, if a customer doesn't want to go through
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the due diligence of who they're signing up for,
that's their mistake. That's their problem, right? You
know, I've posted broker statements for years. I post live
trading videos for years. I now have Kinfo verification. And you
know what it is? I hear the craziest stories now. They say,
"Oh, the only way you start, the only way you have 16 million
is you started with 10." I started with 10 or now like,
"Oh, now please go get audited by the big four auditing
firms." Talk about the big four and bro, these guys
haven't made a dollar, right? So at the end of the day, you
know, I'm doing this verification for myself as an
accomplishment of
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all my hard work. It's almost like a token or trophy of,
you know, all the progress I've made over the 11 years. And if
people, you know, still don't believe it, if people don't
like it, at the end of the day, you know, I'm the one being
here interviewed where there, who knows where they are. So, you
know, my goal here is to lead by example to show people that, you
know, 11 years ago, I was a broke guy at Starbucks making $200 uh a
week. Now, you know, my commissions are more than $200 a day. You
know, I completely understand where you're coming from and for
some people it will never be enough. But
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I suppose I can't really act on 100% but speak for Ken
for I'm the man on the podcast and but I'm sure for for
Keno in the community like everyone's like really pleased that
you've took that step. I upset a lot of people. A lot of people
didn't think it was real. The amount of people that reached out
to me and said so and so can't believe that this is real. Oh my
god. like you have no idea what you did. I think a lot of people
were betting on me to fail. A lot of people were betting on me to
not be real. And I think we broke a lot of hearts unfortunately with
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the verification. >> For me, there was there was no
doubt because I've been an MIC in the past. So there was there
was no doubt that you were legit because I've seen you trade.
But um and I knew you'd made a lot of money. I just didn't
know how much. But um um um >> but yeah, it's for a lot
of people who might be upset. But but no but thanks for everyone at
Kin for that you you've definitely our mission is to help bring
more transparency to the industry and you've definitely
you've made a big step forward of that and on that on that
subject uh Guru Leaks is one of those people that
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likes to spread a lot of hate and spread a lot of and
sometimes Guru Leaks kind of has the right message and the right
meaning. Do you know what I mean? It's sometimes it goes after
the wrong people. Do you have any message for them? Um, you know,
these people have been going after me and Ba forever since we
started trading, man. And at the end of the day, you know, it must
be a really sad reality to, you know, be living a life where you
have to bring other people down to make yourself feel better. But at
the end of the day, I guess my message is their tweets are not
paying my bills,
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but 16 million surely is. is. is. And and then do you have
any kind of a favorite other trader, a favorite guru? Do you even
have a favorite furu, someone who is like such a ridiculous fake,
but it's like funny? Well, the So, let's start with the
furu. The biggest fur right now are the forex and futures guys. Man,
these forex and futures guys are driving Bugattis. They got cons.
They got the craziest I've ever seen because they don't
make money from trading. They make money from the broker deals. They
make money on the simulated demo accounts. So, any of these
I've been trading 11 years. I've not met I have not met
one single
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legitimate forex trader in my entire life ever. Ever. So I
think a lot of the Forex futures guys are the biggest scammers out
there. If you see them driving Bugattis or Konex multi-million
dollar cars and they're 22 23 years old, I mean there's no
way that they're I mean it's impossible. I'm telling
you it's impossible. So they have other backend deals. And as
for a guru that, you know, I really really like and, you know,
really kind of uh getting along with lately is Tim Sykes. Man, Tim
Sykes started off by being that guy where he was with the Orange
Lambo and, you know, kind of going after all these people, but you
know, at
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the end of the day, I've met Tim. He's invited me
to his villa multiple multiple times. It's almost like
he's just marketing, man. He's great at marketing. So once
you get to know the real Tim, all he likes to do, man, is talk and
eat. So that's that's who he is at the end of the day. He
eats the best food and he just talks a million miles a minute and
he's a great guy. He's one of those guys where he's
extremely rich, extremely wealthy and is still kind of willing to,
you know, send the elevator back down. I know he donates a lot of
his money to charity. I know that uh he's helped
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the community in a big way. And I first started off being a
Tim Sykes guy, right? Because that's who was the pretty much
the only guy out there. So in the beginning, I kind of didn't
really understand that it was marketing. I was young. I was a little
bit naive, but now getting to know him, I learned that he's
actually he's a trading addict, man. He's just doing what
he loves, which is trading, making money, giving back, and eating.
eating. eating. Now, I can touch on that, and a lot of people might
say with Tim Sex, a he's remember Jordan Belfad asked him this
in an interview. He's like, "Are you just doing this
charity
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stuff just like just for marketing? Are you just doing this
charity stuff like just to just to look good?" But I was
actually I had the privilege to be with him cuz I was doing
something for a broker that I work with and and he was giving back
to the same charity and what we were in um we were in Colombia in
Colombia in Colombia with Edu trades. You might have seen some
footage with Edu trades uh Sang Luchi a couple of others and and and
those guys did donations to open a school and when you're
actually part of the group and you see the process I don't know
if you've ever done done anything
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like this with them but like when you see the kids in the
open the school you're like nah this shit's real like this
is it's not it's actually these kids are getting better
lives >> certainly for sure >> and uh if you don't
get it if you I'm sure you you'll get a chance to do it if
you haven't already but um the next thing for me would be for
you to to take a look at a couple of your trades. I don't know
if you can um are you okay to screen share? You see this? >>
Yeah. Perfect. Okay. So, this is a trade that I took a few days ago.
So, this is
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IPDN. So, a scenario like IPDN is exactly kind of what
I'm looking for in terms of my process and my strategy. So,
let's kind of really quickly go through what that process is
again, just so it stays kind of fresh in people's head. Um, so
first things first, I wake up early, 6:00 a.m. And when I wake up,
uh, first thing I do is I check my phone, see if the markets are
gapping up, gapping down. Trump's kind of crazy, so he might
say some crazy stuff. So I want to see what's happening. I go,
I make a espresso because I'm not functional without my coffee.
Turn on my computer, get to my desk. When
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I'm at when I'm at my desk, the first thing I do is
I check the top percentage gainers of the day. I check which stocks
are gapping up the most on the day. After that, I read the news.
After that, I read the filings. After that, I look at the daily
chart. What I'm looking for on the daily chart is I'm
looking for stocks that gap up and gap down. They wick up and they
wick back down. So, you know, I'll show some examples of what
that looks like uh as well. So, give me a second. So, this is
exactly what I'm looking for on the daily chart. I'm
looking for stocks that are gapping
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up and coming back down. Gapping up and coming back down,
gapping up and coming back down, gapping up and coming back down
because history tends to repeat itself, right? So essentially once I
see a daily chart that has something like that I know that history
is probably going to repeat itself. So when that happens my next
thing to do is to look at the pre-market action. When these stocks
are trading pre-market what I want to see is I want to see a push up
and kind of come back down. So that tells me that it's a failed
push or a failed move. What often inexperienced short sellers do is
they keep looking for the stock
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that's going up and up and up that's up 5 6 7 8
100%. But the problem is if the trend is intact, they could still
keep going higher. For me, I'm looking for stocks that are
broken. I'm looking for stocks that, you know, have failed
pre-market after a big initial move. That was an example of IPDN.
So, IPDN was a broken stock. I don't really have the full chart
here. I could kind of send it to you, but what ended up happening is
stock ended up breaking down pre-market and it bounced at the open.
So, I saw some resistance here. So, I started to take a first
initial starter in the 460s and 470s. And
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these days, I don't really want to add unless the stock
is confirming. I don't want to add unless the stock is telling
me that it's a proper time to add adding on a confirmation. So,
I drew a resistance line around the $5 mark cuz $5 was resistance
from the pre-market. And also, it's a whole dollar number.
Oftent times, whole dollars and half dollars are automatic support
and resistance. So, I added a little bit here at the $5 mark. And
then we got a death candle on volume. The highest volume bar of the
day was the death candle. This to me signaled a trend change. So
when that trend change added to the winner and covered
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all the way down and this was a $18,000 trade. So really
doesn't take much. But that's probably an example from 3
days ago. Are you looking at the news on that? Are you must are you
check what's the full story there? Is there some news that
you're considering or considering or considering or >>
Yeah. So the yeah, I saw the news and the news didn't really
seem like anything interesting to me. But what was most interesting
was the fact that it pushed up pre-market and failed. All I'm
looking for is these stocks have make a first initial move and
failed that initial move. Once they fail that move, these stocks are
mostly based on hype.
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You know, they're not really based on anything else. I
mean, this is another example here. Not anything too large, but so
this is another example from four days ago. So the stock pushes up
to my resistance area around 850. As soon as I see that fail, I take
my first initial short starter. But obviously the stock was going
against me. So I stopped out. Stopped out for a small loss when I
saw once again the death candle on elevated volume. I re-entered the
stock short, covered on the dips, and this one was a $1,500 day.
Right? So, I didn't feel as comfortable on this stock versus
the other stock because this stock had a little
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bit too much range. It was kind of up, down, up, down, up,
down. So, I felt a little bit uncomfortable trading this stock. So,
that's why I sized up a little bit less and, you know, did what
I did. Let me see if I can find another one. Do Do you think cuz
like when when I say this, I'm sure when other traders say this
who short sell or have experience, like it's kind of basic,
right? It's kind of simple like it's it's a broken
chart. It's a a chart with a history of of failing after after
one day. It's already failed in the pre-market ramp. You
shorten the bounce >> and that's it. If
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it if it's got too much range after a day, you're
more careful. Like that's that's literally Is that
literally it? It can't be. There must be more. >> There
must be more. >> It's as simple as that. I mean,
here's another example that was a little bit more difficult.
So, this was from nine days ago. So, this was a stock similar type
of scenario, SPRC. So, I've traded this stock multiple times in
the past and it fits the same criteria that I'm looking for.
Every single time it pushes up, it tends to fail. So, this SPRC was
broken down pre-market and it was started to bounce aggressively.
So, I took my first initial starters here.
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When it looked like it was failing VWAP, I added a little
bit, but wait a second, it was holding a little bit. So, I stopped
out for a loss here and then it started to bounce back up. Waited
for the fail candle. Wait a second, it pushed up again. stopped out
again. So, twice I took a loss on this stock. I stopped out here for
a loss when it continued and I stopped out here when it continued.
But when the stock failed, when I saw a big death candle on elevated
volume, when I saw a lower high and another death candle through
VWAP, I reshorted, added to the winner, and I turned this losing day
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into a $20,000 winning day. So, that's pretty much what
I do. I remember saying this. I I've saw these examples of
trades that you were making a couple of years. The example a couple
years ago I see the examples of the trades that you're making
today are kind of the the same. I don't I don't see
anything different to what I saw a couple years ago. Is there much
that's changed for you in the last 8 years? >> Um the
only thing that's changed is pre-market trading. So back in the
day I used to scalp around premarket, but premarket is a little bit
too dangerous to short these days. the moves are so substantial, the
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moves are so aggressive, there's not much liquidity, so
the range is ever expanded and you can't use uh stops, stop
orders in pre-market. So for me, pre-market is very very risky. So
I've pretty much eliminated most of my pre-market trading and
focus mostly on the first hour of the day. And also by eliminating
that pre-market trading, I give the stock time to form its pattern,
right? with as much information as you have at the open is very
different than the information you have pre-market. Pre-market, the
chart is still forming. The pattern is still happening, right? But
at the open, you have the data from pre-market to help you determine
how to trade it. So, I
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found that trading at the market open, at least now has been
the best thing as a short bias trader. As a long bias trader,
pre-market is amazing for going long. Yeah, I think other than some
questions for beginners just to kind of close out on the the final
question from my end is more how how do you manage your emotions
when that one stock goes too far? And and it happens to everyone.
Like I know guy I know a guy who's made 10 million and he and
he just lost half a million the other day cuz he just got sucked
into it. it. it. >> Yeah. I mean at the end of the day what
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I've learned is the market is always right. So you will
never meet a successful trader who's not humbled. Why? Because
a the market humbles you as you become a bigger trader, right? The
only way to level up in trading is to be humbled by the market. So
if you see a trader that's kind of braggadocious, that's
kind of got a big ego. Chances are they haven't been humbled by
the market, which chances they probably aren't a real trader.
So most of the traders that I've met that are multi- seven,
eight figure traders are all humble. They're all humble because
that's what the market taught them. So that's number one
is leave your ego out the
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door. Number two is I go on tilt just like anyone else. But
what helps me is a broker limited stop, right? So it's a max
loss auto liquidation, right? So when I first started trading, no
one was talking about this I didn't even know that it existed.
So for me, you have to set a max loss autoquidation to no more than
two days worth of your trading. Why? Because let's say you make
a $100 a day, you should set your max loss autolidation to $200.
Why? Because on your worst possible day ever, it'll take you
only two days to make back your money. What people do is they make a
$100 a day. They set
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their max loss auto liquidation to five grand. Takes them
three months to make it back, man. It makes no sense. So, you have
to see what your numbers are and set your auto liquidation to that
so that on your worst possible days, you're not losing more
than two days worth of work. So, having the broker limited risk
management is my version of that risk manager kind of tapping me on
the shoulder. you know, for new traders wanting to get in, do you
recommend a period going long a little bit first before they go
short or learning the basics? So, I mean, look, the reality is like
I think education is number one. If a guy
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like me has made all the money that I've made, I'm
still paying for education. I'm still learning from other
people. I think that's number one. You know, going long is very
difficult as well because you never know which one's going to
go parabolic and which one's going to crap out. But, you know,
most of the time you know that when a stock is broken that a stock
is broken. So, I would say certainly start with maybe going long
pre-market. Wake up early at 4:00 a.m., right? Sacrifice cuz a lot
of these moves are happening at 4:00 or 5:00 a.m. Wake up at 4:00
a.m. try to go long premarket to build your account. And I
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think eventually like transitioning over to shorting. I mean,
that's, you know, even to this day, you know, I'm still
buying stocks and they're still going straight down, man. So, I
I found my niche, which is shorting. That's kind of what
I'm good at. But other traders may find that they're
better at uh going long. They may find that they're better at
options. they might find that they're better at large caps. So,
at the end of the day, you just got to get started and always start
with like a paper trading account because you're going to lose
money when you start no matter what. So, you might as well lose fake
money while you start. You
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know, I don't think anyone should be starting with live
money until at least Dave, you know, at least been somewhat
consistent because if not, you're just going to burn your
money. Makes no sense. Spend that money on the education. education.
education. >> Yeah. And any other final uh I appreciate having
you on. I didn't I wasn't sure if this day would come. I
would would be speaking to you live on Kimo. It's fantastic to
uh to have you to have you here. Do you have any kind of final final
words or final thoughts to to close? >> No, I mean not really.
I mean, what I've been doing now is I've been posting live
trading
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videos on YouTube. So, like my YouTube is YouTube.comextMIC
or Alexteismic and I just post a new live trading video every week.
So, those trades like that SPRC trade where I made 18,000, I
recorded it live and I put that on YouTube so people could see that
as well. All right. Uh, thank you very much, Alex. You you topped
the uh the Ken for leaderboard with 16 million. Congratulations.
Well done. And, uh, have a great day. Thank you, brother. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. [Music]
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Marcelo, aka MightyStocks, went from trading on a laptop in
El Salvador to trading on the floor of the NYSE. He blew his first
$3K account, spent years in a simulator, and even traded one share
at a time to prove consistency. Now, at just 26, he’s up $1.5M in
verified profits on Kinfo.
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this episode, he breaks down the exact process behind his
hyper-scalping strategy: how he reads tape like a roadmap of fear
and greed, and the step-by-step setup he uses to capture short
squeezes right at the apex moment.
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Chapters:
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00:00 – Intro
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00:33 – From El Salvador bedroom to NYSE floor: meet Marcelo
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05:30 – Two years grinding in a simulator and saving money
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10:00 – From trading one share a day for consistency to
finally scaling up
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14:30 – Hyperscalping & tape reading
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23:00 – Mastering Level 2 and apex moments
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26:55 – Kinfo chart - breaking down his $1.5M profit curve
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32:30 – Quantum trades & holding through fear
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37:00 – Dip & Rip strategy explained live
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54:02 – Why terrible stocks make the best longs
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55:30 – Charles Schwab bans scalpers & Merciless Markets:
Marcelo's trading community
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58:10 – Final advice
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Process over profits – Marcelo spent years focusing on consistency,
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Level 2 mastery – Tape reading became his ultimate edge.
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Record everything - screen recordings were vital to his learning.
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Dip & Rip setup – He thrives on short squeezes after halts,
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You made a million dollars in a year and you're 26 years
old. >> It is insane, but it is exactly how my vision said it.
It's never about indicators or golden strategies. It's not
even even ever about charts. >> Like are you like a master of
Apex moments? moments? moments? >> Check the time that it got
halted at 10:21 and then you add 5 minutes to that. That is the time
to buy because that means that and then check that out. made like
$5,000 on that second. It was either this or I I was going to die
trying. die trying. die trying. >> Today we are talking with
Mighty Stocks who went from trading on
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a laptop in his bedroom in El Salvador to being invited to
the floor at the New York Stock Exchange. He started out with a 3K
account, blew it, but over the last three years, he's racked up
1.5 million in profits, all third party verified on Kinfold.
We're going to be diving into his profit curve and looking
specifically at his signature long dip and rip strategy. And for
that, I know you guys like value. I said in the comments, we're
going to look at when he gets in, when he gets out. He's going
to be running us through an entire video and other than that just
getting to know the man behind Mighty Stock. So for
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those who don't know anything about you, how would you
introduce yourself? >> Perfect. Thank you, Stephen. Well, a
brief summary of who I am. I am a small cap momentum day trader.
Started day trading during the pandemic like everybody else. Had a
lot of struggles. Was one of the guys that didn't really get it
at first. took me 3 years of absolute pain and failure. Turned the
corner at the end of 2022 and I've been living on I've
been living from the markets ever since trying to grow my accounts,
trying to increase my shares and take a little more risk. >>
Man, it's it's absolutely uh it's absolutely crazy.
So, I mean, you're in El
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Salvador. You started in your bedroom 3k account. Can you
just walk us through kind of the start and and and what happened
there? happened there? happened there? >> Yeah, for sure. So
um long story short, I was an im an immigrant for a large portion of
my life. When I was a teenager, I was sent by my parents to Canada
and try to, you know, try to find a better future for myself. Um in
there, I was with a hustles hustlers mentality. I was in this
mission of trying to become successful. Didn't matter the cost.
And within that drive, of course, I was looking for side hustles,
things that I can make money from, things
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that I can flip, businesses that I could start, whatever was
the hot side hustle at the time, I was on it trying to make a name
for myself, trying to make, you know, something out of this mission.
I was sent as a teenager away from my family. I was focused. I had
to make it work. I had to essentially live my American dream, my
Canadian dream, whatever it was, right? So looking on YouTube like
everybody else, how to get rich. Of course, day trading is one of
the most popular, you know, business ventures to pursue. And during
the pandemic, everybody was stuck at home and, you know, it became
very popular to start trying to
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trade. Of course, I started seeing people like Ross Cameron,
Ricky Gutierrez, Tim Sykes, all these guys saying that that
they're making $10,000 each day, $15,000 per day. And of
course, you know, somebody that has a negative net net worth and try
to become someone, I was I was, you know, I was hypnotized by it and
I wanted to learn what it was. So, at the same time, I was also go I
was also going to school. I uh I graduated with the finance major a
few years ago. And I was also learning about investing and and how
to find stocks, not to trade, but how how to find good companies and
and well well-versed portfolio
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so you can put some savings aside and start building your
capital for your retirement, how to diversify portfolios, all that
good stuff. And from there, my algorithm literally like started
flooding with day trading videos. How to make money in the markets,
how to make money in the in in the financial markets, how to find
stocks to trade, where to buy, where to sell, which are the best
patterns, all that. And something I I'll admit was I was a
course buyer from the beginning. I I'm a big believer in
education. I knew that most information is free out there, but
again, I wanted to shorten my learning curve. And I was doing pretty
much whatever it
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took for me to become a consistent trader. So I joined Ricky
Ricky Gutier's course at the beginning. I started doing a
little swing trading, a little of ETF trading like he used to do
back in the day. Um that wasn't quite successful. I, you know,
lost some of the savings I had. I was trading in Robin Hood, but
like $100 cash account, so wasn't that big of a deal. Then I
found Ross and I wanted to be like Ross and I wanted to trade small
cap momentum stocks, these magic stocks that are going up hundreds
of percent each day. So I went ahead and told myself I am better
than everybody else. I will be
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one of the ones that get it instantly. So I took all the
savings I had, which was $3,000 at the time. I went ahead offshore
because of course nobody has $25,000 to fund an account over PDT. So
I'm like, here I come, grow. I'm going to grow this small
account into a million bucks in a few months. Watch me do it. And of
course, like everybody else, I very quickly blew that account. And
you know, that's the that's the moment in which most
traders quit trading forever. You try to get rich quick. You
don't take the you don't follow any methodical strategies
or blueprints, but instead you try to be a hero. You blow it
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all at once and you're out of the market discouraged
forever. And I also genuinely believe that's why the statistics
of successful traders is so awful because most people quit after
month three or after their first red trade or after their first
awful experience. So that's where I should have and and
that's what I should have and could have quit trading forever
after I blew $3,000 which was everything I had. Um, but instead I
decided to go back into the simulator and I was in a simulator for
literally like 2 years practicing, trying to learn about strategies,
trying to try different setups, different indicators, all that fun
stuff. Um, you know, I' I've always had a
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process over profits mindset. I've I've lived my
life focused on delay gratification. I I really wasn't focused
on trying to get rich today. I wasn't focused on trying to find
instant reward. But instead, I knew that if I could become
profitable in a simulator, um I would be able to turn it around and
start doing it with low risk with a small account and then
eventually grow that account. So, I was, you know, it didn't
matter how many years years it took, I was going to be in it
forever. One of the ones that, you know, died, you know, died trying
guys. So if I was committed already, might as well take the right
steps.
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Anyways, became profitable in a simulator um finally and
that's when I transitioned into a real account. This time
around, I needed to trade in a free commission account because the
strategy I became profitable in was very high frequency, taking
hundreds, if not thousands of trades in a single day. pretty much
treating like a market maker, like trying to make money off the
spread, trying to make money out of the micro moves within the small
cap momentum stocks, buying the bids, selling the ass, trying to
recycle shares, all that, right? Which meant I'm playing like a
market maker, but now I have to pay insane commissions on offshore
brokers, which makes me a losing trader at
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the end of the entire transaction. So, I was like, "All
right, well, I got to go and trade in a free commission
broker." and and free commission was becoming very popular and
most brokers in the US uh were like undercutting each other and all
of them went to zero. But now I need to save $25,000 and I'm
still a nobody immigrant in the middle of nowhere in Canada because
my immigration program my immigration program was if you're
willing to live in North Canada in a town that only has one
stoplight and a thousand people living in it, you one day can become
a resident. So, I was living in the middle of nowhere, going to
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school, painting houses, trying to save for this damn
$25,000. And after doing two years of trading the simulator and
working my ass off to save $25,000, $25,000, $25,000, I didn't
save $25,000. I actually only saved $9,000. Um, but I had so much
experience already in this simulator and I was so confident in my
metrics. I remember hitting like six months in a row of
profitability in the simulator. I felt like, you know, I didn't
want to wait another two and a half years to save another $15,000 at
my painting houses rate, right? So, I reached out to a cousin of
mine um that's an entrepreneur. He lives in the US. Similar
story, immigrant that goes
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from nothing to from zero to hero. He was very successful.
And I I shared with him my vision and the the the delusion I had I
had of me becoming a you know a rich trader guy. He saw the vision
and he uh he loaned me $15,000 which was what I what I needed to go
over BDT, right? Um, of course, we had a deal in which I had to
repay him no matter what. I was going to give him that this much
interest. I was never going to touch his capital. I just needed to
be above PDT so that I could trade freely. If anything, all my
losses were going to come from my
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$9,000, so on and so forth. So the deal, you know, was risky
because I'm trading stocks and nine out of 10 people fail and
it's incredibly risky all that, but I was never really going to
touch his money. I just needed to have the ability to day trade
freely. Anyways, gives me the money and then I go into the live
markets with a $25,000 account. But and I'll show you here on
my Kinfo equity curve. Unlike everybody else, I continued with my
mindset of delayed gratification, process over profits. This is
where I either try to be a hero again and blow everything up and now
I'm for real out of the markets forever or I
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continue to take baby steps. So, when I went from the
simulator to a real account, I literally traded with one dang share,
one share every day. And I did that for like three or four more
months because again, I didn't care about making money still. I
just cared about being consistent. The money was going to come after
I became consistent. That's one of the blessings in the market.
Like if you can make a 100 bucks a day, you can scale almost that to
make 10,000 a day. I tell I I tell a lot of my my uh followers that
it is harder to make make make it is harder to make like $100,000 in
one
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day than to make a dollar a day for five years straight or
something like that. So the consistency was the trick and the
hardest part about becoming a profitable trader. So that's why
I always had in mind. So I went ahead and started trading with one
freaking share. Of course my P&Ls were swinging cents, right? um
you know at the end of a month I would be at $4 or five bucks or or
down a dollar right which um to most people looking looking at what
I was doing I was insane like what are you doing wasting your time
mind you I was putting countless hours per day trading learning how
to trade doing all
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this all this research about stocks reading books about
trading learning about strategies every day just to be up since
sense you know I remember this conversation very clearly with my dad
when I was telling him like, "Dad, I just had my first
profitable month. I made like $7." And to him, I was like,
"Son, we need to have a very serious conversation. I think
you're wasting your life. What are you doing here?" Like,
you know, get you finish your education, focus, focus focus on that,
get a nice job, and then live your Canadian dream or whatever it
was. Um, but again, they didn't understand the trick in the
market was consistency. Anyways, I had three
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months of up nine bucks, then up $13 the next month, and up
and then up 33 bucks the month after. And then I was like, "All
right, six months of profitability in the simulator. Three more
months with this micro share size. I think I got it. I think I got
it." Now, now that the last demon that is left to defeat is my
emotions after me increasing the risk and after me starting to trade
with some real share size. So, what I did was uh a little crazy, but
it worked out. I increased my share size by three zeros. So, I went
from one share to a,000 shares. And I knew that was very risky,
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but I had I had a I had a plan in which if it didn't
work for the first two weeks, I was going to go back to a share and
try to figure out what went wrong. So, I already had some experience
trading with a thousand shares when I went ahead and blew that
account offshore at the very beginning of my of my journey. So
because I already had traded with bigger share size, I already knew
how losing felt. I already knew how the P&L swings felt. So I
wasn't coming in from scratch trading with bigger share size
because I you know again if I was trying to grow that $3,000 account
into a million.
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I was swinging like an like a maniac. Thousands of shares as
a beginner trader is the worst recipe for disaster. So I kind of
know how it felt trading with bigger share size. So anyways, go
ahead. I add the extra zeros and then I, you know, I I meditate
before trading then the day after and I tell myself just do exactly
what you've been doing and then at the end of the day
let's let's study up what happened. So I I did and then on
my first day made like $147 which would have been like $1.40 40
cents with my one share, but this time around it was 140 and then
then the day after
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300 bucks and then the day after 600 and then I couldn't
believe it. Like the euphoria I felt on those few days has been
beyond of what I felt on my bigger green days now that I've
made. You know, my biggest green day is $41,000 and it's there
on Kinfo. There's there's no comparison of of me going
from $1 a day to 100 or to a,000. my thou my my first thousand day
was insane. Um and then from there, you know, I just kept on doing
that, growing as a trader, then adding zeros to the share size, and
now, you know, I'm blessed that whatever I'm doing is
still working. working. working. >> Can I
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I just want to take you back a little bit. So, um so for
example, Warrior Trading, who we we want him on Kinfo, by the way.
So, if Warrior Trading can ever come off Kinfo, we'll be glad
of the day. But, um just of his um just for his education, did you
pick anything up on it? Was there any valuable insights or did you
go your own direction like what click to start making these dollars?
>> So war trading my experience there was helpful I would say
you know I I I done reviews on his course and I would recommend it.
He at the very least as you're saying even though he's not
on Kinfo
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I would say he's one of the ones that is actually making
money instead of just being a fake scammer selling courses like
everybody else. Um, so I think he his material is valuable and I
learned the basics the basics of small cap stocks, the basics of
level two, how to find stocks to trade. That's the way I would
recommend his material as learning the basics instead of trying to
piece meal what small caps are on the free internet. This is kind of
like a structure plattered way of learning that. But that's
about it in terms of finding your own edge. the way he traded
didn't didn't really work for me other than learning the
basics.
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He's just way too experienced to try to learn from him,
at least now. He is extremely good trading breaking news, extremely
good at reading the tape, and um you know, I just couldn't keep
up, right? So, I started trading like he was. It didn't work.
At the very least, I did become a a break even trader, which is a
huge milestone becoming a break even trader. At the very least,
you're showing up, taking trades, and not losing. So,
that's a milestone in itself. But the breaking news stuff, the
pre-market, the pre-market pre-market pre-market price action and
volume, he likes shredding in just never really worked for me. Um,
but then I I learned enough skills
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so that I could develop this hypers scalper kind of like
market maker type trading because funny enough um after I learned
from Ricky and from Warrior Trading, I saw within my metrics that I
was green like um 90% of the time after pressing the buy button. And
the problem was that I was taught to hold for the for the entire
reversal to set daily targets and hold until those targets to set
profit targets of 10 30 20 cents per day and hold until those
targets and 100% of the time if not more those winning trades were
turning into losing trades because I was taught to hold and then
like to add into winners and to
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and to like you know look at all the other indicators so that
I can make my winners bigger And when I discovered that in my
metrics, that was my turning point. Knowing that I had all these
small winners that I never took off the table because I thought they
were insignificant because they were only like a few cents per
share. And you know, I was holding for the bull flag to resolve or I
was holding for the wedge to break out or I was holding and waiting
for the high day break or whatever it was. Um, that never worked.
But what did work was the initial kind of like anticipation of those
setups. So I
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realized that I was making three to four cents every time I
bought but then it was of course reversing and turning into red
trades all of them keeping me a losing trader. When I realized that
I told myself what if I just start selling this this thing instantly
and you know that's what I started doing in the simulator and
it started working and that's when I turned the corner in the
simulator was becoming a market maker. It's like I don't
care what the stock is doing or headed. I'm just going to get
in and out in this quick volatility and try to capture four cents,
five cents each time. And then with enough big share
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size and free commissions at the time, you know, that's
how I started making money. making money. making money. >> No,
but like it it's crazy because like normally people would say
hold on to your winners, cut your losses quickly. You've got to
hold on to the winner, but you're actually you that's the
worst advice ever for you because you need to get rid of your
winner. So, like, so when when did you like I understand that it
clicked, but like what what are you doing? And I know we'll get
into it in a bit, but what are you doing to like get in instantly up
because most people get in in the down from from
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the spread, right? So, what are you doing to get in and be
up? >> Um, so I would typically buy when the tape is green.
So, I'm buying as the stock is reversing. I'm buying as
the stock is already bouncing. I'm buying as the breakout is
about to happen. So instead of trying to accumulate share size and
and being patient and waiting for the pattern to see resolution,
I'm trying to find that apex moment in which pullback goes from
pullback to bouncing or breakout goes from consolidating to breaking
out. That microsecond from selloff to turn to turning point.
That's what I try to capture. And and if I I'm accurate on
it, I can catch
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the entire resolution. everybody else has been being patient
for, but I I catch it right away. On the downside, if I'm
wrong, then, you know, I I can get chuffed out most of the time
because I'm trying to be as perfect as possible rather than to
be patient and accumulating shares as having like a broader stop.
So, the downside is my my accuracy is not as good. But um on the
upside when I do catch it is it's like I can have some great
winners and then I'm following a breakout or bailout approach
which means since I'm buying optics right and I'm buying
breakouts there's no stop loss under VWAP or under the pullback
or
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under anywhere the stop loss is the second it's not
going I am out literally the second it's not going I am out. Um
and again a huge part of why I like free commissions because you
know I was never committed to any specific trade ever. It was like
no instant if I instantly buy it and doesn't bounce or it goes
as I'm seeing green on the tape then I'm instantly out and
it turns out being like insignificant losses and then I do catch
that one trade that is the apex turn from that pullback from pulling
back to bouncing and it just wipes like four of my losers and now
I'm in the green right and
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as your accuracy gets better you know it turned out to be a
very bulletproof strategy >> so like are you like a master
trea like are you like a master of Apex moments, >> I would
say. So, like um I I really can't I really can't trade
without the chart almost like to me 95% of of of the time trading is
just staring at the level two like a hawk and I can almost imagine
what the chart is doing. Um another way some of my trading friends
have done it is uh with like one second charts. So, so essentially a
1second chart becomes what the level two is telling you because
it's so quickly. But
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a lot of people are stuck with one minute charts, 5 minute
charts. To me, those are like way too delayed. They're like
almost delayed indicators because, you know, the chart is kind of
like looking in your rearview mirror. Everything that is the
everything the chart is painting is kind of like the past because it
has happened. But the level two is kind of like your your front
mirror and is is like the path ahead, right? And I try to anticipate
what's going to happen next. and I quickly buy and if it goes
good and if it doesn't I'm out right. >> Uh but you
know what I like about your trade and tell me if
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I'm wrong here but you get a lot of stuffs in the market
but like the stuffs almost don't bother you because you just
need it at least even just trying stuff and if the effort's
there are you in and out before the stuff even goes wrong is it kind
of like that you just need the drive. You need the drive. >>
Exactly. Exactly. Um, you hit it on the nail. That's how it is.
is. is. >> No, it's it's absolutely beautiful, but
it's a total skill. Are you are you recording screen recording
tape to like to like narrow down on this or is it just like a
natural ability of so much simulator time? simulator
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time? simulator time? >> There's there's no
natural ability here. Everything was built from from zero. And you
hit you hitting the nail again. Every single day without fault, you
must record your screen. So, you can review the tape. You can
review, you know, the the the color on the tip, what it meant, and
how the level two reacted. You can review how a big bid or a big ask
affects the level two. You need to review even the different levels
of the market depth. What does it matter when there when the levels
are stacked? What does it mean when the levels are thinning out?
Everything matters and everything is 100% learned. Um I'm
teaching my
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brother how to trade now, right? And um when he starts at the
level two to him is a is like reading Chinese. Like what the hell is
going on? Like nothing makes sense ever. And I I was the exact same.
Uh I remember when I when I when I was in water trading back in the
day, this was a few years ago when when Ross wasn't like making
100,000 a day, he was just making maybe a thousand a day. Um to me,
the level two looked like this insane tool that never made sense.
But if you stare at it for 3 years, 10 hours a day, everything makes
sense. And I genuinely believe like if
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you put in the hard work, you're going to like become a
level two master as well. >> No, it's it's so
beautiful that. But like it it kind of just understand like is there
anything in the level two other than the order sizes where the order
sizes are and how fast the level two goes up and down and the
volatility of it? Is there anything else other than that that
I'm missing? >> If you stare if you stare at the tape
close enough, one of the prince is going to say bye now. When
it's by now, then you buy. I'm joking. No, no, no. Um,
that's a good point. Um, and there's something that I
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should bring up. Level two is noise 90% of the time. So, you
need to you need to be able to know when to read it. So, that's
when the context actually uh plays a role. having a stock with
breaking news, having a stock that has a lot of attention and high
relative volume. You want to be trading something everybody's
staring at because if nobody's staring at the level two when
you are, whenever you see these level two signals, no one will react
to them. So, they become worthless. So, you need to be trading
something with high relative volume with news and within within some
sort of chart context, chart pattern context. And when the apex
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point that I was telling you about is getting closer and
closer, that's when I zone into the level two. And that's
when the signals actually mean something. The green on the tape
actually means something. Usually like the stock is going to spike
up even for even for a few cents. Um, red of the tape actually means
something. A big bid actually means something. A big seller actually
means something. when again when everybody is staring at it and when
that when the apex moment is about to come level two level two
signals are actually readable and they actually mean something and I
you know take trades against those all the time. Um but then again
it's
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all like a it's all like an infinite game of rock paper
scissors. So you know there's like the textbook definition of
what things mean. For example, a big bid means the stock is going to
go up. A big ask it means there's resistance. The stock is
about to drop. on paper, right? That's what it means on paper.
The same for the time and sales. The green on the tape means people
are buying at the ass, so the stock should be going up. Red on the
tape usually means people are selling at the bid, the stock should
come down. So this is what the textbook definitions are. But if you
know that trading is an infinite
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game of rock, paper, scissors, trying to think what the other
guy is thinking. So then think, okay, if he's going to pull
rock, I'm going to pull paper and then he's thinking. If
he's thinking I'm pulling rock and then he's going to
pull paper, I'm going to pull phys. Right? So, you're
trying to predict se several layers of what do you think people are
going to do while staring at the level two after seeing this
textbook signal. And you know, you can you sometimes almost do the
opposite of what the level two is telling you and it works, right?
Um, but that's the whole idea behind level two. You are finally
playing against humans. That
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is the little portion in the entire chart, that apex moment
where humans are reacting to the level two and winning a battle
against humans feel so much easier than trying to trying to play
chess against an algorithm or against a computer. And in that little
apex moment, I feel like the signals in the level two, whether
whether if they are textbooks or this kind of like rock paper sciss
rock paper scissors version of it, you can make money out of those
mini moves, mini signals. So that's what I've been doing.
Yeah, that makes a huge amount of sense. Uh, I think we're good
now. I mean, first of all, I just want to say let's
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let's bring up your profit chart and let's look at
your last three years. Um, while you do that screen share, I just
want to see if anyone's got any comments specifically for
Mighty Stocks because we always get a ton of comments all the time
on the episodes. So, if anyone's got a comment for Mighty
Stocks, just drop it in the comments and what we'll do is
I'll ask you the questions separately. I'll get you to
answer them on all consolidated and we'll drop it like on a
Kinfo thread about about you. So, so drop drop drop your comments in
the in the episode. And guys, if you want to see more people like
Mighty Stocks
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on this podcast, just hit like and hit subscribe. Helps
community helps get more people get verified. Might get Warrior
Trading verified on on here one day if we look. >> I'll
send an email. I'll send an email. You're going to get him
here. >> When you're ready to to throw up that profit
chart, let's let's take a look. Okay. So, we're
looking at 0 to 1.5 million. Talk me talk me through it. I I can
start. can start. can start. >> Yeah. So, initially, as you
can see here, when I when I first founded my $25,000 account, I was
trading with marginal share size. So, my P&L swings were dollars
were dozens of dollars. And
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of course, as a beginner trader, um I was terrified about
losing a dollar. So, this to me had the emotions of like if a
million if a millionaire was trading with thousands of shares, which
is exactly what I wanted. I wanted to feel like if it was if it was
real. So all throughout this zone in 2022, I'm still following
process over process, process over profits mindset, trading with one
to 10 shares, which is why my account wasn't growing expon
exponentially. Um I think here at the beginning of 2022 is when I
made the switch. As you can see, I added an extra zero to my share
size and then I continue to replicate what
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I had been doing in the simulator. And then that's when
life got crazy and I just kept on doing exactly what I had learned
and how it just worked with an extra three zeros. That's when I
started building the account and then eventually I added another
zero to that. That maybe somewhere in here when I added the extra
zero and my equity curve started growing more exponentially rather
than up in up until this point it was more of a grind here. I added
an extra zero and now my profits have been growing way more. I had
my best year last year. Um, I was shy of a million dollars on just
2024, which is insane.
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>> Million dollars in a year. How old are you? 26. you?
26. you? 26. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> A
million dollars. You made a million dollars in a year and
you're 26 years old. old. old. >> It is insane. It is
insane. But it is insane. But to be honest, it is exactly how my
vision said it. That's this is something I like preaching is
have a delusional vision. Believe it believe you can achieve it and
some someday that daydream will actually become true. We have to
believe it. And like I told you earlier, there was no quitting in
me. It was either this or I I was going to die trying.
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And you know, I didn't die. So the outcome is the
inverse which is this. this. this. >> Yeah. But these things
are possible for those who are willing to commit and put the time
in. And I'm sure you spent eight hours in a simulator or 10
hours in a simulator for a couple of years. Like I'm sure you
put the time in because that's and the time up before and
after. and after. and after. >> But I mean, >> how
>> how >> how I I saw on an Instagram that you took a 66
I think it was $66,000 loss. No, you on a draw down of $66,000, but
you went on and made 100K.
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I guess that's obviously not scalping. How how do I how
do you So, the really good thing about this is you never have to
worry about how to handle being down in the current strategy of
sculping. You don't have to worry about it because doesn't
work straight away, you're out, right? It doesn't work in
two seconds, you're out, >> right? >> right?
>> right? >> How do you not how do you fight against
that thing in your head where you're like, I just want to give
it two more seconds. I just want to give it three more seconds. Ah,
it's dropped, but it might come back. How do you fight against
that? A lot of
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people struggle with it. with it. with it. Um well, you know,
it it becomes second nature because finding an edge in the market is
so tough that whenever you find a little strategy, a little pattern,
a little level two signal that is working, you almost have to treat
it as religion. And even if sometimes there's a little devil in
your shoulder telling you to hold it a little longer or average down
or maybe hold your winner for for the bigger move, it just never
pays out. That's one of the things in the market is like it
will correct you if you if you let it. And I've done that of
course many times trying to
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average down or hold for a winter a little longer and it
almost never works. It almost never works. And what I like about
this strategy is that since I'm capitalizing off of such small
moves, right, four, five, 10 cents per trade, for me to make big
money, I have to trade with thousands of shares, 10, 15, 20,000
share positions. And um you know if I hold one of those for too long
and I'm wrong I can lose thousands of dollars in one trade. So
the market has been very educational for me in that sense that
thankfully every time I broken the rules I've gotten you know
pinched and I I've I've seen bigger losses. It
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gets freaky when you break the rules and you get rewarded.
That's when you get get into this vicious cycle of every now
and then breaking the rules work. So it it convinces to always do
it. But for me and especially the type of strategy, of strategy, of
strategy, you know, I I I always got like negative reinforcement
which was break the rules, pay the price all the time. So to me was
like that. like that. like that. >> And then and then on the
opposite side of things like you can hold you do a bit of swing
trading, right? So say you swing at Tesla. >> How do you have
how when you're down 66
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grand, do you just think I'm just going to I'm just
going to hold it. like how do you have the conviction that
you're right? right? right? >> Well, I I like I like my
swing trading is completely different, but I like thinking of um I
like thinking of my swing trades as quantum trades. And what I mean
by that is, you know how when you don't need money, trading is
easy. You know how there's multi-millionaires out there that
whenever the market drops, whenever a big big blue chip company
drops, they just toss a few a few million dollars to the stock. And
it and it will of course turn around and double their money and
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triple their money. And that's because they're
trading out of a fearless, almost careless mindset. So what I like
to think on myself is whenever Tesla was tanking, it was dropping to
like 200 bucks per share. Of course, it looked like the sky was
falling. All the all the media outlets were saying that Elil Mus was
doomed. Tesla was going to zero. It was an overpriced company,
overpriced company since inception. since inception. since
inception. And you know, it looked like a sky was falling. And of
course, I was terrified to put my hard earned money into it. But
then I started thinking about these millionaires and these other
people that have a fearless, careless mentality. How
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were they throwing millions of dollars into the trade into
the stock and maybe not even caring about the fundamentals, the the
financials, maybe not even looking at the charges, thinking like,
"Yeah, it always works because we don't care." So you
throw it down, throw a million dollars on it. If it of course is
going to reverse eventually, and you know, then you just double your
money. So then I call it a quantum trade because I almost put myself
mentally in their shoes and be like, "All right, if I take this
trade as a as a fear as a fearful trader, $66,000 drowning will
come. I will sell down there and then I'm done out of
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the markets, out of the game forever." But if I adopt
their delusional mindset, and this is of course not financial
advice, this is this is how you blow your account. But but if I
adopt their mindset and act like if I didn't care and act like
if I had millions and millions of dollars, even if I lost it all
here right now, it will work. And of course, it does all the time.
So I adopt the delusional mindset of of the of the multi-millionaire
guys. I just know that it's a good company is extremely
oversold. The sky is falling. That's probably the best time to
buy when it looks the worst. And when your co-workers
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are starting to tell you that it looks bad, that is the time
to buy because that means that fear is to the max. All right? So
then I just take the quantum trade. I I I I throw money at it and
when it starts dropping it's like what would a millionaire
fearless guy do? Buy more maybe. And then I did I didn't buy
more but I just held and of course it turned around. I just taking
so many little trades like that and they always work. And even
though I'm not at a place in which I can afford, you know, a
million dollar loss that will put me back to zero my trading career,
I've
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concluded that winners in the mindset are the ones that are
not victim to emotions. So, I just treat them like that. It's
like, nah, whatever. >> Yeah, I I can tell you a funny story.
Yeah, you you'll know the when the Trump tariffs first came out
and the stock market crashed on the tariffs and the saying, right?
And that was similar time when when Tesla went down to 220 and and
Elon Musk went against Donald Trump and stuff like that. The market
fell like 20%, right? Um, I was getting married in six months time
and I thought, I'm gonna put all the money for the wedding and
all of the other money that I've got
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saved into this dip just and and I'll bet I'll bet
that America's economy isn't going to crash. crash. crash.
that eventually, one way or the other, these Trump tariffs will
resolve >> and the market will go back up to new highs because
I bet that the American economy is not going to completely collapse,
fail, and go bust on this. And if it does, I'm happy I'm
happy to go bust, too. I'll go bust goes bust. But
America's not going bust >> and uh >> America goes
bust the world of zombie apocalypse, so it doesn't matter.
>> Exactly. If if America goes bust, the world's over. So
I'll I'll I paid I paid final me full
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wedding on the profits for that uh from that trade. So like
that that the mindset. >> Yeah. No, I took the trade and I
made uh I made about just a little short of 20 grand. So I paid for
half your wedding. >> That's amazing. That was a great
story. >> It was a crazy crazy win. Like crazy crazy win just
buying the dips on that. But um let's get into the um I'm
looking forward to getting into the nitty-gritty of your strategy.
Oh yeah. This long dip and rip. Um, let's see how this is
working. Is this a video recording? Is it it it >> is it
recording? Yeah. >> This is the first
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ever video recording tutorial tuition we've ever had.
So, there you go. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. So, this is
going to do well, I'm sure. sure. sure. >> People are
doing it wrong. That's what I'm saying. You got to study
like a maniac every day. You have to record your screen. Like,
there's a lot of people that have been trading for years and
and they don't even know how to record a screen. Like, what are
you doing? doing? doing? >> This is the first on the parts.
This is the first video screen recording shown from someone on a
pod. So, talk me through this. through this. through this. >>
All right. So, um just to
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get a little oriented here. So, I'm trading two stocks,
right? This is stock number one. Oops. And this is stock number two.
This is the one minute chart and this is the level two for that one
minute chart. All right. That's all that's all you really
need to know. And then here is the broker where I send orders.
>> Yeah. So, you know, the the strategy is is like any other
smuckup strategy pretty much. I am looking for, you know, I'm
sitting down scouring the entire market with my scanners and looking
for the leading gappers. I'm just I'm I'm looking for
the trade here. Hold on. >> That's that's it. So, so
you've got some
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scanners that say 30% off, 100,000 pre-market volume, and
you're just seeing what's up. Basically, it's like a
easy basic scanner, >> right? Like a like a normal gap
scanner. And um I'm filtering for volume. I'm I'm
filtering for biggest gain. And then I'm filtering for breaking
news. I I do do like trading something with news because at the very
least there has to be some fundamental reason for the stock moving
higher. Even if the move is exaggerated, sometimes we sometimes we
have the most ridiculous headlines like the the the CEO of this
company took a healthy crap and then the stock is up a thousand
a,000%. But at the very least there's news. And then
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why do I care about news is because since I'm buying
thousands of shares and I'm typically buying high and selling
higher, I can't accept the risk of a T12 halt or like a like a
T11 halt. And that means the stock has no reason or business being
up this much. It gets halted by the exchange. They reach out to the
company asking what the hell. They say we don't know either.
And then the stock resumes months later. So your capital is frozen
for months. But not only that, it resumes back to where it came
from, back to being just up a dollar or or up $2, right? And you
bought the stock at 10. Huge
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loss. Huge losses. I've had so many friends get caught
on those. That to me is a golden rule that the stock has to have
news. Anyways, Anyways, Anyways, >> can I can I just ask is
there any any type of news like are you looking like a biotech with
Canson news or an earnings winner or like are you looking for the
contract wins or any specifics or >> No, no, not really
because all news are fake anyways. They're just a headline to
to have this stock flying. So, it doesn't really matter as as
long as a headline. Sometimes there's genuine headlines like
for example when when a lot of small cap companies were finding the
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vaccines for COVID or when they're partnering it up with
huge companies like Nvidia or Walmart. Those are fundamentals that I
actually think are relevant and may actually um be commensurate for
bigger risk and for bigger share size. But most of the time the
headlines are just you know fluff to get this stock up. So as as
long as there's a headline I like it. Um and then from there
I'm looking for the top three leading gappers. Why the top
three? Because they're going to have the most volume. And if
they are going to have the most volume, they're going to have
the most retail traders looking at it. And if it the most the more
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retail traders we have looking at at the same stock, in my
opinion, the better quality the signals in the level two. Like I
like I told you earlier, 99% of my trades are based off of the level
two. If I'm trading a no-name, no volume stock, you can
literally see the same level two price action and the same signals
on any stock if you wanted, but they mean nothing outside of
context. If nobody else is looking at them, they mean nothing,
right? You can see the the biggest bit in the world and then green
on the tape, the stock can teleport to zero instantly. It
doesn't matter if you're outside of context or once
you're
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in context of breaking news, leading gapper, everybody's
looking at them, the signals actually start to mean something. And
then from there, I like uh I like trading stocks that are halted,
right? This is the the dip and rip trade, per se. Why do I like
trading stocks that are halted? Um because of the battle that is
constantly happening between longs and shorts. So the small caps is
kind of like this playing field in which short sellers and and long
bias traders go at it and and they try to see who who is right.
Right. At the end of the day, we are trading very very cheap
companies that 99% of the time eventually fade. And
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there's very popular strategies of shorting those pops
and shorting those spikes, right? So, we usually have small caps
always be fueled with short sellers. And for you to make money in
the markets, you have to understand that the market is a zero sum
game, which means somebody has to lose for you to make money, right?
Money is not printed from thin air. It's just transferring from
one account to another. And where I found that was when short
sellers stopped out. When short sellers were forced to cover for me,
there's a small window there for me to try to jump in and
capture, you know, my little move, my little scalp, my little micro
scalp. Um,
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is when they're stopping out, right? Somebody's
losing. Short cells are getting squeezed. Longs are hopefully
catching the other side of that trade and making money. So halts to
me scream uhoh this is an issue if you are short if you are short at
five bucks and then you add it here let's say for the lower
high and then you're looking for this thing to trickle down to
zero because 99% of them will do that eventually right so I'm
confident that there there's short sellers in here or what
happens when you're expecting a fade and all of a sudden
there's a massive engulfing green candle with high volume
looking you dead in the eye like we're
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coming for your stop loss. Right? Most short sellers that are
seeing this hold are crapping themselves and thinking, uhoh, maybe
this is the 1% of the time that the stock actually holds up and goes
to $100. So, I better get out of this thing now, right? So, so when
it's halted up, people, especially short sellers, meditate
like, I'm going to get out of this hold and I'm I need to
get out of this trade right now. Which means when the stock resumes,
we're going to see a huge influx in buying as short sellers are
like throwing in the towel, giving up. I need to cover this.
Covering means buying volume. And I just I just
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see a lot of imbalance to the buy side after a stock is
halted up like this. And that's where I like to buy the stock
and try to and try to like try to ride a little short covering. We
will see from the short sellers. Anyways, so stocks halted up
usually holds um come and go in five minute intervals, which means
you got to go time in sales, check the time that it got halted at
10:21, and then you add 5 minutes to that, which means the stock
will potentially resume the next five minute interval 10:26 and 12
seconds. Right? So, what I'm doing there is, you know, just
waiting for the five for the
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five minutes to come, trading something else if if it looks
good. And, um, here we go. So, right now, I'm looking at the
clock, waiting for that resumption. It's coming here in 4
seconds. All right. So, then now my heart is pumping. It's in
my throat. I'm feeling it and I'm and I'm ready to
throw shares at it. >> You still feel it now? Do you still
feel nervous before your trades? >> Um, a little bit. Not not
not as much as I did, but still, you know, the heart rate definitely
goes up. Um, all right. So, it resumes, right? It resumes. It
resumes at a price of around 519 by 530. As you can
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see, my mouse is clicked right here because I'm about to
execute on my broker. I'm about to set an order here because I,
you know, I have an order ready for 5,600 shares. And this is my
P&L so far right now. So, I'm up on the stock 3,371.
Anyway, so it resumes and I instantly buy. Again, this is not
financial advice. Like everything I said in this video, like if you
try to do this tomorrow and be a hero, you're going to lose it
all. You still have to learn, follow the process of a profit,
mindset, all that. But anyways, it resumes and I sell my order,
right? 5,600 shares. Um the the price is
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dipping now at 505 and um fra is a little laggy. So the order
is still populating like that but I'm already long down here.
Even though the order it looks like I'm still getting filled on
the back end I'm already long. So as you can see down here I am
long 5,600 shares at a price of 529. Right? And what am I looking
at? I'm looking for short sellers to cover through this level.
Most beginner short sellers have their stop loss at high of day. You
know, just just like how you would trade this kind of reversal,
right? If you're a long bias trader and you and you're
trading a reversal, where's your stop? At
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the bottom of it, right? So, this is the same stuff but
inversed. Short sellers have their stop a high a day. And what do I
want to see? A massive short seller cover. And usually it looks like
that, right? this stock just just just a massive blowout candle as
you're seeing choke choke covering through hive day through
this little pivot. There's a lot of you know cover orders here
for them to like bail out and we see that massive candle. Um and
then check that out. Made like $5,000 on that second. And like I
said, it's like sometimes I can catch the perfect Apex moment
in which we see the massive followth through of a
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setup that really and truly has been brewing for like an
hour. Um, and that's the whole idea. And then the stock is
halted up again. I might repeat this trade after this halt. I
don't quite remember, but typically the first hold is the one I
like the most because after a few holds going up now it's
extended again and shows sellers are going to go from all right now
we're going to hammer back in and we we start seeing those
massive jack knives the flushes and all that. So it's a dance
for it's a dance between shorts and longs for sure. >> So
you're just looking for high volume low floats low floats low
floats
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and uh you don't even need to pay attention to this,
right? Like you just do you have like an indicator or something that
says something's halted because you don't even need to
watch this. You just need to be like if it halts I'll look at
it. >> Right. I I have it on my scanners. I have a hot
scanner, right? So a scanner that is telling me all the stocks that
are halted either up or down and then I pull it up and if I like it,
>> I take a trade and if I don't, I don't. But um
something I will say though, trading around halts is trading around
extreme volatility. You know, if
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this is a setup that really took me a while to master because
you can very well be victim of this volatility. Like if you're
a second late, imagine that you're a second too late.
You're buying at 623. This jack knife to back to five and you
just lost a $120 instantly. So it's a high risk, high reward
type of area. But once you become, you know, good at it and proven
that you can trade it, it's made me a lot of money through
throughout the years. >> Uh, are you hitting markets? You
hitting market orders on these? >> Uh, on on this one I did.
Yeah, I did. >> You hitting hitting markets cuz it's
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load of volume, tight spread, doesn't really matter. You
just want to get in. >> And I I just I needed the speed.
>> Yeah. And is there anything other than like cuz it like
when when the when the when it opens when the halt opens can it not
just wash out like a lot of halts wash out right what if
there's dilution and it just dumps >> right and
that's part of the risk like the the idea is that the the chart
is painting in a story in which I think short sellers are in
trouble. That's the big idea because you're right there
there's going to be instances in which stocks will be halted up
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and they're instantly going to reverse into a halt down.
That usually happens on, you know, not the leading gappers, not the
high relative volume stocks, and the stocks that don't have a
lot of shorts piled into them, but the stocks that I feel like, you
know, are the leading gappers and have made new highs already. Those
are the ones that that start getting accumulated with short sellers.
And that chart has to look something like this. this stock should
have faded, is making higher lows, is downtrending, and everybody in
their mothers is expecting a fade. The mere fact that what they
expected is not happening, that's what kind of makes the the
trading outside of that
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hold valid is that the trade idea of all these shorts is
clearly not happening. So that to me gives me the green light of all
right this hold is valid because everybody that was wrong here
we'll need to cover. Um so typically trading around holds for
me comes after big consolidations like that. A big period in the
chart in which shorts are soaking and are accumulating are
accumulating because you need shorts to be in it because they
themselves will be the fuel of the contin of the continued surge
after the hold resumes. So that's a good point. Um I do like
trading around holds after I have some sort of sense that this is
you
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know oozing with shorts. >> Yeah, that reversal kind I
mean it it didn't come out of nowhere because it broke out of
the downtrend line, right? But it was like it's the I wonder is
this shorts on top of each other or is this market makers putting it
one cent through the the the low and ribbon it back up? Do you have
an opinion on it? >> Um I think that I think they're both
of them. I think uh you know micro makers always have an agenda.
They probably already knew they wanted to send the stock higher and
maybe they are the ones themselves painting this wedge and making it
fail, accumulating millions of shares
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into this zone, right? And then um you know they then they
they tie up the supply because they're they have infinite money
and they can do whatever they want. They tie up the supply and then
just a little burst of buying once they've accumulated all the
shares in the float. Just a little burst of buying can send the
stock flying like this, right? And you know, I I would expect that
after this stock resumes, they would just start liquidating
everything that they accumulate accumulated down here. That's
another that's another style of trading that I never got good
at was trying to follow market makers. Like if you wear a little
fish, I ended up being
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a victim to them throughout these zones because they're
experts at like washing shares and like stopping people out and all
that. I always got chopped out myself throughout those zones. So I
like to be on the on the open follow-through side of market makers
changing moves. But it it is a combination of everything. I think
short sales covering market makers giving resolution after this stop
hunt. Um market makers themselves pulling their orders out of the
way so that they can send the stock flying and um you know
that's the whole that's the whole idea people don't
get about trying to become a profitable trader. It's never
about indicators or golden strategies. It's not even even
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ever about charts. It's about understanding the parties
behind the stock. understanding the agenda of the stock, right? A
lot of people get caught on learning candles and you can learn that
for infinity and never become profitable, profitable, profitable,
but until you understand the players behind the stock, that's
when you can finally find an edge. So, you're you're
right, everybody's involved here. >> Yeah. And like look,
you are not going to be the market makers. Like no one's going
to be the market makers, right? But you're just taking that 1 2
3 seconds where you're thinking shorts are going to cover in
this moment. I'm going to scalp it and and it's the for
you the
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better this the worse the stock the better the long right the
worse the stock is the better the long >> when it flips like
this. Exactly. Because the worst it is the more confident shorts are
that it will fail and when that does not happen the bigger the
reaction when they cover. So, so you love to go long terrible stocks
and you make millions of dollars doing it basically. basically.
basically. >> Yeah, I would say so. Um, you know, at the at
the end of the day, like I was telling you, telling you, telling
you, nine out of 10 people fail, right? Most people fail trading in
the market, which means you have to be
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on the oppo on the opposite side of those traders. And to me,
short seller has short selling has become this massive popular
strategy that everybody does in small caps. And I'm I think
I'm thinking to myself, if nine out of people nine out of 10
people fail, I'm going to try to be the small fish on the other
side of those failing traders, which are usually beginner short
sellers. Short sellers with way too much share size, short sellers
getting squeezed, and I try to scalp whenever they're wrong. I
try to scalp like they're they're covering pretty much.
much. much. >> Yeah. Um, I think what I what I really really
loved about this episode is
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that we have just not seven charts, we've gone one
chart, 20 minutes on it, like hyper hyper analyzed it. Uh, I think
that gives great detail. Um, just two questions to close out. One,
what's going on with Schwab? It kicked people out and have you
are you how what's going on with the scalpers now? >>
Well, like you said, market makers never lose, right? And um I think
a lot of people were taking advantage of free commissions and also
exploiting market orders and Schwab was not not Schwab. The market
makers weren't liking that. It got to a point in which
profitable scalpers were making money out of these free commission
brokers in which you are
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meant to always lose money because the brokers sell your
order flow to the market makers and then so that they can like wreck
you and and trade against you and and make you as poor as possible.
Like the whole entire stock market is a is a crazy scam. Honestly,
that's why I call my community merciless markets is because the
markets are brutal. They are here to to take all your money, you
know, suck you dry and then throw you out in the street. Anyways, a
lot of a lot of people abusing free commissions and market orders,
especially in high high volume. It got to a point that market makers
consider that toxic flow, which means
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traders are making traders are making money of us instead of
us making money of them. That can never happen. and they started
banning people like pretty much um if you were a profitable trader
in Josh Schwab, you were you were booted. >> I see. And uh you
just mentioned your community. What's your community name?
There's a link in the description. We'll put it in if
anyone wants to sign up and and anyone's like inspired by what
Marcelo's done. How can people find you? >> It's
called Merciless Markets. Um, again the whole name inspired by, you
know, us trying to trying to find a little profit in this arena that
is completely rigged against you. against
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you. against you. That's it, right? We do live streams,
we have chat rooms, we have our education, all that. all that. all
that. >> No, I think yeah, obviously like you made $1.5
million if you live live sharing. If you if any of if any of your
like sessions are basically what you've just done for us today,
it's like it's an incredible valuable learning experience.
It's not a It's not a come in room with 700 students and
and just watch these videos. Do you know what I mean? It's not
like that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> People can find you below.
And I think there's no better verification out there than Kinfo
right now for for
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teachers to separate the real from the from the furus and
it's up there and verified 1.5 million. Uh so unless other if
people want obviously if people want to learn more about you, they
can't. But if you've got any basic advice just to
summarize any golden nuggets to close out on, we've gone over
an hour. Uh what would the be to finish it out? >> I would say
um live with a mindset of delayed gratification, process over
profits. Nothing hard, nothing meaningful in this life will come
easy. You will not get rich quick. You're not going to become a
millionaire in a few months. It's going to take time. Two to
three years of a
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lot of hard work and not seeing a penny back. Once you turn
the corner, all the reward is going to come at the end all at once.
But while you survive the learning curve, just keep walking. Even if
you don't see light at the end of the tunnel, it's a steep
learning curve. But I genuinely believe if you give it your your
all, I've seen a lot of successful students make it. So trade
in a simulator, take it one step at a time. Don't burn yourself
out of the game taking one stupid trade. Just take it slow, right?
Take it slow. Put time and effort and I think you have a good chance
of of
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making it. making it. making it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
you. >> All right, man.
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In
the debut episode of Undiscovered Traders, host Stephen Johnson
speaks with Don Juan, a trader who has turned his part-time trading
into $320,000 in verified profits. Don shares how he transitioned
from nuclear engineering to becoming a full-time trader, the
importance of discipline, and how he fine-tuned his strategies,
including his successful overnight trading pattern. If you’re
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06:45 – Key Turning Points in Don's Trading Journey
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09:10 – Breaking Down Don’s Trading Strategy
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welcome to undiscovered Traders uh my most profitable pattern
is buying after hours a brand new podcast where we reveal exactly
what's working for the latest six figure Traders when
you're buying something that's up three 400% you're
taking a big risk uh today we're talking to Don Juan Don is up
$321,000 we're going to go through some of his kin for starts
some of his charts and we'll end on some kind of golden nuggets
for beginners Don do do I call you Juan do I call you Don Juan where
does Don come from uh it's just kind of like a nickname uh my
real name is Juan Juan but it does Don does Don mean something
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is it Spanish no I my Twitter is Dawn Dawn is more like in
Spanish uh M like someone calling like Mister ah yeah Don means Mis
in Spanish I I've seen it on some drinks I was wondering I
thought it meant Godfather or something like that yeah yeah or like
back in the day you were call like my grandfather they call him Don
Juan yeah it was kind of like a respect thing uh kind of thing and
uh I just kind of like it it was like instead of just putting Juan
like put the dawn there n no I love it you should be called The Dawn
I mean dude you're you're rising up those
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ranks on KF for you are the dawn the dawn of trading Don ju
but hopefully someday yeah dude you're on the you're on
the way and it's fantastic privilege to interview you before
before other people do I'm sure I'll be the first of many
but how how just just very quickly before get into the k for stats
how did you get into trading what was your motivation H and and and
how are you doing now um it's actually very interesting story
because uh I had actually a good job I was engineering and I went
school and everything for it but the type of engineering I was doing
it was nuclear engineering uh a lot of
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the things change it requires citizenship uh and I was losing
a lot of opportunity it was very frustrating so I needed to do
something in the meantime or something on my own and just kind of
like sew an ad about day trading through uh scrolling through my
phone or the computer and I I'm not really sure what the the
goal was at the beginning but maybe make it or maybe just kind of do
it on the side but just kind of started slowly I didn't really
like work on it too much at the beginning just kind of like wing it
a lot and it wasn't until like the end of 2022 that I got
myself
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together and like okay if I want to do this I really have to
be focused on it and but I guess I did a lot of study before that
but and I did I was trading as well 300 plusk is is absolutely no
joke I've seen a couple of people do 50k blow up 100K blow up
but once once you get past that 100 I think you're on the way
do you want to share screen and we'll take a quick look at your
stats and then after that we'll we'll have a look at some
charts I'm looking forward to specifically uh what kind of
Trades that you're making to try and give some of the
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new Traders some some kind of uh hint or some sort of edge of
what you're doing but let's let's have a quick look
at your your charts your kall first yeah so that that that is a a
very smooth very very smooth profit cave I can see that things have
took off really in about the last year so like what what clicked for
you there um it was a combination factors I think when the main
thing was focusing uh uh uh minimizing basically getting rid of the
Thal trades and that's what I call it it's like trading
for and being disciplined and that was one of the things I struggle
a lot just being disciplined
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and I I think a lot of Traders struggle with that as well and
just trading my patterns and uh and really sizing up when when it
matters that's matters that's matters that's crazy
sorry it doesn't look like you've had a big loss there
doesn't look like you've had a major draw down there is
there something you do I yeah I mean I think it's a com
It's a combination of a lot of like uh small losses here and
here and here here that kind of didn't allow me to continue
upward upward upward upward and uh like like right here just like a
steady downtrend okay I got and then finally started doing good and
again
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and again and again it the same thing and I think oh yeah
this is like the the the 2022 the last quarter where I kind of like
started more to be more disciplined and things started clicking a
little bit more and this was like the during the hot Market that we
had last August and the same thing here this was in May with the GM
AMC and ffi beautiful I'm I'm looking for that's
I'm looking forward to seeing what you're doing kind of
edgewise but first we'll just have a quick quick look at uh
your report and then we'll go into some charts you were saying
that you felt burnt out on a Friday and
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then we've just checked your your Kim for stats and
what's going on there it's your most profitable day
profitable day profitable day yeah I think at the beginning I
remember 2021 uh for some reason I I would do good on the on the
first three days and by Thursday and Friday I would just be so tired
that I would I would take losses and I sometimes I will lose those
all the wins of the of the of the week and it kind of hurt me but
now that I'm seeing this I noticed that was Friday is my most
profitable day and in terms of your dayto day I'd love to get
into some charts if
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you've got a couple of charts a couple of examples like
what are you trading what have you been trading how did you make
this 10 grand this month it's uh it's literally it was one
stock uh let me see if I can pull the sh actually because I try to
collect all as much data as possible ah please absolutely anything
you free to show that's going to help other Traders give people
an edge absolutely anything you want to go through I'm I'm
all open to say dude that's a lot that's a lot that's
a lot of theater and charts oh here we go right here um it was
what's the name of that that that
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whlr yeah I think it's wher or wheeler uh my most
profitable pattern is basically buying after hours and taking it
overnight uh and this was basically bought here and around here and
then I woke up the next morning just sold everything and that's
that was a $112,000 trade right there I think I took 2,000 took
2,000 took 2,000 shares and then just sold it everything around
10111 so uh are you waking up early are you on the East Coast or the
West Coast yeah when I take things overnight uh I try not to wake up
at 400 am. but sometimes I can't sleep but usually I 5:30 just
because of the stress I can imagine
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there's been times where I sleep I'm just like okay
I'm I'll be up at 3:30 get myself ready when the
pre-market opens but I mean you're making I mean what was the
percent gain on that you You' doubled your money now right uh
from 450 to 1050 uh it was like 150 100 over 100% H so you 150%
you're not trading you're not trading are you trading
heavily right now or not not as much I am I just haven't seen
much specifically my setups like this is a very specific setup that
I trade in when I see it it's just like I need to I've
been trying to size up but right now because we're
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not seeing as many the this it's really hard for me to
slid up but uh this is really really interesting because the
I'm seeing the daily chart below right so you've got the
daily absolutely no volume shitty company mro cap cap cap stock and
then out of nowhere gets explosive volume it closes near ties but
like what else is there anything else you can diverge anything else
you can get away a a lot of people don't like to do like
because it's ups so much right it's like $4 from what from
like a dollar I don't know how much that it's like 300% or
something like that it's scary kind of ridiculous so when
you're
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buying something that's up three 400% you're taking
a big risk but one of the things I look at is uh it's up in the
day it's big green day is it consolidating like I would if it
let say if it would close over here all the way from the vwap area
that's still really big gap but since it's very close to
the vwap that's a really good consolidation and the volume has
to be there volume is like the key for me at least 80 million that
this one has slightly over 80 million uh shares traded so I I guess
the way I look at it like if there's volume there is support so
it has
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more chances going up instead of going down if they're
volume which means there're there has more chances of get
getting pushed up just kind of like the way it helps I guess n i
mean I completely understand what's going on I mean it's
gone up 300% everyone's been shoting it maybe it's maybe
it's been a quiet market for a while shorts are finally licking
their lips and thinking I've got something great here i'
the shorts love add losers then the next day maybe a lot of them get
blown up at 4:00 in the morning I don't know if it seems seems
like that's what's happened there or I mean are you
looking at dilution do
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you need a specific catalyst so I I'm trying to get
better at looking at stats like uh not not the yeah like the like
all that kind of stuff and dilution dilution dilution and and if
there's offerings or this and that but I a lot of the times I I
noticed is just like just by looking at the the the technicals
especially when it just taking it one just overnight one day that
works the best for me but uh in terms of a press release does it
matter for you are you looking just like literally break out volume
consolidate in other no it's press I mean news is news it can
be press it can
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be some contract can be like some it can be earnings it can
be something like that but that but that but just something that
help but the news are relevant since sometimes the stock just go up
for no reason it's just like a squeeze and and they keep going
and stay stay stay up and you I think you're buying right in
the market close are just for your own safety kind of thing cuz
you're looking for that Gap is it like that yeah one of the
things I noticed is I've been trying to in the last few months
to kind of Buy in the afternoon if it's holding but you're
there's more more risk risk
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risk involved um and they tend to not hold as much so the
ones that make it to after hours and it holding after hours is
specifically if they held the that closing price you can see here I
think it closed just slightly above $4 yeah if it would have be
hanging below this closing price I would have never taken never
taken never taken it say it was holding after hours over the closing
price that's a pretty good indication for me that it's
likely to Gap up and that's a that's that's an
absolutely beautiful setup probably you shouldn't be sharing it
with but it's very kind of that you that you that you have took
the
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time to share how did you discover discover discover this
I'm sorry what was that how did you find this setup how did you
know this setup oh in general this pattern how did you know that
this pattern is a probable pattern that works most used to collect a
lot of data yeah and I think back in 2020 2020 something click there
was a big gap up and I just saw there got to be opportunity right
there but how can I make this like and then I started trying to buy
stuff I like okay it could Gap up but when you just you don't
really know I'm like it got to be something so I started
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collecting data here and there and I noticed big volume big
first screen screen screen days uh they're likely to Gap up but
that was 2020 2021 if you had those days that was a whole different
Market if you have if something's up and with big volume it
doesn't even matter what it it does after hour it will it will
Gap up but then 2022 came came and everything changed and and
you've got like just I mean I've said My Story a bunch of
times but I was short in gapas and uh did really really well turn
like $600 and over 100,000 and then the market changed the Gap has
started running the wer the W
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is so shortable anymore in I give back half of the money and
I've sto still not recovered to trade consistently again from
that um but then I look now in like 2021 everything that Gap 100%
failed and then then 22 23 it wasn't working as well and then
24 it's do all the Gap as I failing again and I'm like
it's like if I just had discipline and hung in but so yeah but
the lesson for people do is like not to just try and take this
pattern and trade it it's like guys like track the data like
look at every stock that closes with a 300% or 100% plus gain with
80 million you
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said 80 million like guys anyone who's watching this
track the stats on an XL and see what they're do the next day
and then start looking at the floor with the news dilution and see
if you can refine that edge um do you have do you have what I
don't want to take too much of your time this is a fantastic
thing that you've give already you have one more stock one more
P that you've made most of the 300K with we're can break
down uh yeah it it rarely happens but uh it's afternoon higher
day breakouts uh and pretty close to multi-day breakout as well uh
and I think this perfect pattern is this
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one this was TT TT TT o uh last August I think I believe
believe this uh oh uh oh uh oh no August 2nd um so basically we have
it's right here in the morning it didn't do much it kind
of dip it but it kind of hanging there and when I saw that it got
above vwap the multi-day breakouts are this is the first level and
this is the second level and the high of day right here so buy over
here a little bit I think I bought some here when I I anticipated
but then I just cut it and like let's see what it does but it
helped and I think I bought
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a lot of shares at 165 and 168 um I was still still
unfortunately I think I sold everything around 19 cents um it was I
think it could have carryer on but I just that was I made like two
uh two art so basically two times my risk what I was supposed to
make what make what make what is yeah and uh but the the shark kept
going but it it kept going maybe I did buy the dip I think I did and
I sold a little bit here and I sold it all out here here here again
but again but again but this this actually came and kind of like
created the same pattern
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that I always looked looked looked for uh which is the first
uh strong first Green Day and it's it was holding after hours
but is that that's the daily on the do you want to bring that
daily Up full screen so everyone oh no it's an image right this
your actual software yeah and uh I think uh right that's after
I was yeah so you can see here um it was it and this fits the
pattern of the same thing from the other one where it open after
hours I think I bought some around here 26 and then so some and then
start reing everything and then you swung everything overnight but
uh so this
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is basically like super super low price most people
don't even look at these stocks and most people are just like
there's no way I'm messing around with sub Penny but
you're finding these crazy crazy breakouts with crazy crazy
range so so this is a 20 cent stock that went to 40 50 50 cents
almost in a day in a day or two yeah and this was just the beginning
because it it kind of like when it went all the way to 45 cents it
kind of hang it went down and for a few days and again it it kind of
like got itself to for a multi-day breakout again and I think I do
have
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the sharp right sharp right sharp right here to same batter
afternoon batter afternoon batter afternoon breakout and this one it
it took a long time but around like 7 pm. it started gapping up and
this is when I bought it again the same thing strong Green Day buy
after hours for a gap man the the tips the tips that you're
given here the advice that you're giving is like amazing detail
really really appreciate what you're sharing here the second
breakouts kind of not as clean right on the daily would you say oh
not you having you're the expert yeah I don't long but the
second breakout doesn't quite look as as clean as the first
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one that you took it's not it's it's has it
has lower volume too and that I think that made it difficult but the
volume was about a 100 million I mean that's still a lot of
volume 100 million shares at least for me me me and for something
that's very that's getting close to the multi-day breakout
breakout breakout that's that's that was really good so it
was definitely worth the risk and because the stats said that it
should G should G should G up you should buy it obviously not
everything works out uh there has been big there I think I got
caught caught caught in two or three offerings or bad news or
something
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like that over the years um but I mean that's
that's the risk you got to take right yeah that I would say 70%
of the time this should Gap up and other 30% I was I was saying 20%
of the time it kind of just gap down a little bit or just
doesn't do anything and there's a 10% chance that it just
goes down the Dr where's where where are you looking to enter
there if you could just cover that are you entering enter the after
hours for The Gap uh probably when it's breaking out of this 39
cents which is a closing price yeah yeah uh that's where I
start I start I start
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buying and but a lot of my losses before I take it over Night
comes down to after hours because there has been times where similar
shs like this I will buy something like this and it's kind of
like a fake and it instantaneously just drops and I have to cut it
because and then they play games and they like to push it again and
I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like this but are
you re buying if the pushup back up again if I see that it's
holding it's kind of like one of my rules okay I I took the
loss but that's just part of what I have to do and I if
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it's folding now I have to buy it when I say I have to
buy it it's it's one of the things that kind of helps me
not be afraid of taking it and then uh when you cut it the next day
if it doesn't get up like 4:00 in the morning 9:30 um I usually
sell on during a pre-market I I just I try so many times and
according to what I seen from the stats and everything most of them
don't the the high of day is basically they a pre-market unless
we're in a hot market then things tend to like maybe dip a
little bit and then continue like this one did either way
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I can always Reby it so just to be safe and plus if I
didn't get enough sleep because it was a stress I rather just
byy maybe go for a walk take the dog hour or something and then come
back fresh with a c coffee it's uh it's two two really
really beautiful strategies um some nice insights I saw was saw on
King for pro reminded the people that can uh click upgrade for free
for the month's trial but uh do you have any any closing nugget
of wisdom or any top tip or a beginner Trader just to close out the
first episode of undiscover Traders I think it's uh important
to like focus on
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one or two patterns and then just become really really good
at it uh I think I I made a mistake in the beginning I was trying to
do this I was trying to do that I was shorting I wanted to like
become a short seller and this and I wanted to that and I I I just
but it it's hard to say that at at the beginning you should do
this you should do that because it get your feet wet like if I
wouldn't have done all that maybe I wouldn't have been
discovered been discovered been discovered this worse for me you
have to try a load of random out excuse me French you have
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to try a lot of random stuff out and then be like no no this
is this is what's good and then you just work on in on those
too kind of yeah and stay in disciplined I mean that's
that's the other main thing and staying away from I've
done it myself but staying away for trades that you shouldn't
trade and then I asked myself like why did I even trade that
it's like I call it the fomo trades basically that I have a
pattern for the fomo and I have to record it because then at the end
of the month I look at how many trades I did and how much I lost for
making
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trades that I shouldn't tra but like how did you stop
doing that Chipman cuz I'm still doing it I'm still doing
for more trades like how do you stop how did you stop stop stop
personally I I still do it I'm I become better at better at
better at it I'm not especially slower market like this month
for me it's like like I I lower my risk for those trades
that's for for for sure like and then sometimes it's like
a slower month the pattern may be there but the volume liquidity is
just not there it's just recognizing that that's another
whole another whole another whole whole different whole different
whole different level ah but
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you've hored into what you're good at um
you've got better with time with stupid form more trades and
and F for me looking at your profit chart I mean you're on the
way to the million for me I mean so you stick stick into it good
Market you're on the way to the million but I mean last
question how many how many hours did you have to put in roughly like
say how many hours are you doing a day or how many hours we doing a
day at you Max to to track all this data and get all these results
uh just collecting data or just kind of like the whole thing like in
a
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day how much time would you invest in this uh on a typical
day let's say like today I woke up at 7 not much going on but I
still wake up at 7 work till uh I don't know five six yeah and
just kind of not consistently but I would go I would go to the gym
maybe take a break or take the dog out for a walk or something like
that that distract me because I'm in the computer the whole day
when there's really nothing I'm going to make a some trade
that I shouldn't make this like a is this a fulltime thing for
you now or are you trying to balance things yeah
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definitely fulltime I left my job in 2021 when I was starting
making money but until this day I still think I left it too quickly
yeah I understand that it it was at 2021 January February ser hot
market and I just thought I was like oh I can do this for a living
no problem I'm making money and then the the be Market came
I'm like but you survived it and you did okay no you st in the
bar maret look good yeah Lucky had money saved up so that helped a
lot crazy stuff now I really appreciate your time I really
appreciate the fact that you've been so open and transparent
with your Edge
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that's what transparent trading is about that's
what Kino is about so uh thank you so much for your time unless
you've got any final words we'll close out it's been
been been fantastic all right um no thank you thank you for having
me I appreciate it uh this has been uh really fun Cheers Cheers
buddy
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Rob Booker is a name that’s been around the trading world for
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Rob opens up about the largest draw down of his career, the
mental side of trading, and why he now swears by transparency,
smaller size, and discipline. He also walks us through some of his
2,000 short selling trades to share his strategies and lessons
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today I'm excited to introduce uh Rob Boer I wasn't
always transparent I'm like I'm embarrassed that I
didn't do it earlier 24 hours later on that Friday I was down
$100,000 in unrealized losses that's 10 times worse than the
largest draw down I'd had ever cuz if any of us could take back
our worst five trades we'd have so much more money so the real
question isn't can we make money trading it's can we Pro
can we keep ourselves from giving it back I document almost every
single trade I took for a long long time and you can start to see
characteristics they start looking exactly the same today I'm
excited to introduce uh Rob
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Booker a season Trader industry veteran Mentor author Rob has
panned influential books including the adventures of a currency
Trader and the currency Traders handbook he's also the vice
behind the Traders podcast and the trading book podcast uh today
we're going to jump into his background his thoughts on
transparency as he's fairly recently new to kall and hopefully
we'll dive into some charts at the end but first of all rob
thank you so much for coming on I've seen you everywhere how
are you I'm good I'm good I you know I umum kind of
disappeared for a while like I kinfo was like the only way you could
find me for a while I actually I
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don't sell anything anymore um I don't even host
any podcasts anymore I don't I just kind of keep to myself and
I've um I've really enjoyed like hey can I get a link to
your website and I just send them them the info I don't like
you can just look at this I don't no but I absolutely love that
about you I was um when I was doing the research and I was looking
into this because obviously you you trade all sorts you've
trade Forex you've got a background in Forex you've been
options small caps large caps and when I first took in it Googled
your name or searched your name on YouTube I saw
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like YouTube videos from like 15 years ago and I was like
this this ha is different it looked like a completely different
person he's not a Forex Trader is he's an he's an
equities Trader who's this guy talking about Forex said but it
was you I was like ah okay but uh I guess that leads us into the
first question uh you've been trading 20 plus years cross Forex
options large caps small caps written books hosted 650 plus uh
episodes of the TRS podcast but how did you get started in the whole
game so I was so I went to law school in 1995 finished in 1998 I
didn't want to practice law I practiced
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law for like 1 half of 10 minutes like literally went
upstairs sat down at my desk I was like what am I this is terrible
so I left and that was in the middle of the dot boom and I was so f
i was I went to law school in the San Francisco Bay area and my
summer job I worked at Montgomery Securities when Netscape went
public and I just I just caught the bug and so I started a company
after law school that company failed the second company failed and
then my business partner fled the country and I was like I you know
what I'm going to do I'm going to trade my way
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out of this Financial mess you're like like you know I
can't even do that now like it's like if my back were
against the wall I wouldn't be able to do that now it was just
like worst possible um and I just I started trading currency because
it it it offered like 5001 leverage and um this guy named Ron subber
you can look him up he's on LinkedIn still he was the head of
correspondent clearing at beern and um in San Francisco and I and I
called him up because I had met him and he said whatever you do
don't trade Forex don't trade currencies it's risky
it's a scam it's like you could just
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and I all I did was like I heard none of his warnings and
that's all I heard was leverage you know you can make a lot of
money really fast and you can lose a lot of money really fast
it's like all I heard was none of the warnings and all of the
potential so I started trading currency in the year 2000 that's
when I started started started um way back can I just ask you what
was your best business idea oh yeah I love this I love this store
I'm so glad you asked this question I actually was looking at
this there's the way back machine on the internet where you can
yeah yeah
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save the old the old internet yeah so um what we did in the
late 90s was in the in the early days before anybody knew any better
we set up these old dumpy broken down Windows 95 computers and we
set up macros like literally like remembered keystrokes using
programs and we cycled through monster.com and the job websites and
every night we would we would download every resume posted to
monster.com like every single one of them and it wasn't even
against their terms of service and um then we would scrape job
postings and then we launched websites where for $5 or $6 you could
send your resume automatically to a bunch of employers and we were
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making like $70,000 month wow but we were spending $80,000 a
month we were terrible business people like I was using you know the
old thing like I was using a door as my desk and and we just R we we
had our internet costs were so high back then it was so expensive to
have like highspeed internet and whatever else so we launched a
bunch of those websites and all of them made money and all of them
failed because we spent all of the money like we were terrible
business people BR ah but yeah from here I would invest as that say
often don't invest in an entrepreneur on his first idea
it's better they
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try and let let him fail a couple of times and get the second
get the third that's true in the investment world too you see
these the the guy that lost like9 billion in the natural gas trade
up in Canada whatever the name of that firm was a or whatever that
guy's managing money again John Merryweather after long-term
Capital Management they gave him money again like I think fail they
almost think like oh he he learned his lesson like he learned their
lessons and they won't do this again it's really weird
it's true and I mean I think as long as you're uh as long
as you're courageous enough to to enter the battlefield and
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and take and take the mistakes and take the roller coaster
it's it's okay because you do learn as long as you do
learn I mean if if you it's like if you it's like a
hangover if you're drinking too much and you hung over if
you're 40 and you're still having those crazy hangovers
then H you're not learning but it's okay to to make the
mistake one or two times and and it's funny you bring that up
because today's the day after St Patrick's Day and I
don't I don't ever drink but there's an Irish bar
downstairs and me and my friends went down there and after 11:14
p.m. I don't remember anything I'm glad
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I got back up home like H but you drink occasionally but uh
but not only once in a while yeah I no but it's I I used to do
a lot more I've stop now because to to run a business or to do
to do any kind of anything worthwhile it's better not do it is
absolutely true yeah 100% one I was yeah I was introducing everybody
to each other in the bar and they were like how do you know this
I'm I'm like I just dragged them across the bar like I
don't know this guy at all like I was having a great time ah
but it's good once in a while but in
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terms of H the million dooll question for me because it seems
that like I I hear a lot of people saying now Forex is a scam
it's all leverag it's it's x y and Zed you should go
into microps and then people are saying now microps are a scam
it's it's all mark at the market so you know you've
been in in the industry this long is what's the advantage and
disadvantage of each yeah that's a really it's a great
question so I haven't traded any currencies for a long time but
so I got into it for the leverage and it still has a lot of Leverage
um so currencies were great back in the
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day where there was a lot of Leverage and I mean like the the
mid 2000s it was great because there was a ton of Leverage and what
I would do was and this just sounds so stupid and no one believed me
I even traveled the world in 2009 I went to like 32 cities but I
would buy the pound Yen New Zealand Yen ay Yen I would buy those in
one account and it refco or fxcm I loved drw ni from fxm he was so
good to me um and I would buy them there and those were high
interest bearing and so every day that you hold those you would get
paid interest and back
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then the interest rate differential was 6% between 0% in
Japan and 6% in the UK but you got a thousand to one leverage so you
you could make 6,000 per a year if you bought pound Yen and just
held it but what I did was I went to CMS Forex and I said if I open
a thousand accounts for you because you know I had a podcast and
whatever else if I open a thousand accounts for you will you give me
a no interest account and I promise I'll Margin Call it you can
just B book it and they were like who what who are you what are you
talking so so what I did
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was I would buy pounden Ken aen and then in CMS Forex I would
short it and I wouldn't be charged interest in that account and
so pound New Zealand all of them were just going straight up all of
them were going straight up because the interest rate differentials
and that's the only game in in Forex is interest rate
differentials and so they would all go up and so the accounts that
were short those would Margin Call and they B booked it so they just
took all the money they were just making my full account and then I
would just re fund that account with the profits from the other one
and all I was making
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was interest One account would Margin Call and then I'd
hold the other position for one more day and it would I'd get a
little juice I'd get it Juiced up a bit and I did that for four
years and at one point we were using spreadsheets and moving $6
million back and forth and I wasn't even trading I was there
was no trading I wasn't a Trader I was literally just moving
money back and forth be you know between accounts that was that was
the greatest trick I ever did and only four other people I I
probably spoke to 2,000 people only four other people Don wolanin in
Orange Connecticut he did it he put
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his girls through college with it and then like three other
people and everybody said that is such a there's no way
that's going to work and I think that just about every other
thing I've ever tried in the world of currency with the
exception of some Bots everything else just doesn't work
because there's no Edge there's no way to there's no
way to trade the news there's no way to antici it's so so
difficult because there's only 28 major currency Pairs and you
can't evaluate each country like you evaluate a company
there's no it it it's just it's all interest rates
and it's all super long-term moves and everything in the middle
was just noise
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it sounds to me that you've got that kind of
entrepreneurial um creative mindset where you just look in fall uh
gaps in the market I remember there's a tra I end while B
called David hail I'm not sure if you're familiar with
David it sounds familiar 20 plus year Trad and he would trade
glitches in the market so he'd look for a market in efficiency
and then just capitalize on it yeah the back in the day like in 2004
2005 refco Canada oh I don't know where all these 4ex firms
came from back then but it was a wild west and refco Canada the
dealing desk updated prices manually like they would manually
approve each
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new quote but when um news came out they were delayed by 10
seconds and so you could actually just 10 seconds before the it was
so stupid some of those things were just glitches like stupid things
that shouldn't have worked one time my friend Nick Barker and I
and I don't know where Nick is now we built a bot that would
constantly request to trade outside of the spread so it would try to
um buy at the bid and sell at the ask and so we sent a hundred
orders every minute and then we sent a thousand orders every minute
and then we sent two ,000 orders every minute until we were sending
like 10,000
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orders a minute and uh we were trading at inbank FX and one
we like we take $2,000 and run it to 30 run it to 30 run it to 50
run it to 60 and then one day we sent 20,000 orders a minute and we
shut the whole the whole thing went down went down for two days and
um two years later I went in and I became the chief Market
strategist the TV guy for interbank effort ohow nice Todd crosland
bless his toll he goes so what was your first experience with
interbank FX and I made the decision to go ahead and tell the whole
management team the story and they were like yeah
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we were down for two days that was not I'm like well um
but that's what I did I would find these like inefficiencies or
glitches or whatever and that was great and Todd crin of interbank
FX was one of the greatest entrepreneurs of all time the other thing
when we were there at inbank FX The tra this is okay this is one of
the best things I ever learned about retail Traders at inbank FX you
could see if the the book was 51% long the Euro for example so you
could see if retail Traders were net long or net short Euro Yen or
whatever and what we found is that typically they were right at
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the close at the New York close if the book was long Euros
they were right actually over the next 24 hours the Euro would would
90% of the time or more would would end the next day higher the
problem with for retail Traders was they traded so big they would
stop out before they got the benefit of the move and we we tried to
launch an an a fund we tried to launch a fund that Traders could
invest in and it would trade the book and so we so instead of us
trading the book which would be I think a little bit problematic we
said let's offer it as a product everybody thought retail
Traders
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were so bad then no one would no one would do that and it was
like the most obvious and I bet it's still true I bet on mass I
bet retail Traders actually pick Direction correctly they trade so
big they can't survive the move that goes against them yeah
that makes that makes a whole lot of sense because the retail
Traders are trying to pin a little bit amount of money into a big
amount of money and it it means taking too much risk but so your
background is in marketing or some of your background is in is in is
in marketing and advertising just my background creative is yeah I
mean my friend Bor
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ber he's an fx Trader I don't know if you've
ever talked to Boris but he's in New York City he's been a
friend of mine since the very beginning of Forex he and Kathy lean
built daily FX the first website and ashro lah and Kathy and we were
friends from the very beginning and Boris used to say while I was
studying the markets you were studying marketing and I said to Boris
I said you know what exploitive exploitive I was doing both I was
doing both and yeah I mean I yeah I spent a lot of time I read Seth
Golden's books I read I mean some of those had a really big
influence on
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me a huge influence and I did yeah so I was building a
business in the podcast and I did I loved marketing I did love it I
don't love it anymore but I did a lot h no it's it's
it's been my passion for I've done it for the last 10 plus
years and and all and all like in different places in the world as
well but um going back to trading so you were originally initially
in in FX and how did you get into uh small caps large caps options I
believe you I do yeah so in uh 2011 or 2012 whatever the Dodd Frank
legislation when that came through it became illegal to
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hold for a US citizen to hold an account overseas so all of
these foreign Brokers that had thousand to one 500 to1 leverage they
all disappeared like we all got our accounts closed and there was no
more there was no more Edge because leverage was the edge leverage
plus interest rates was the edge you could trade interest rate
differentials all day long but you had to do it with leverage
because 6% a year isn't appealing and you you could no longer
hedge it because you couldn't put the money overseas so I went
through like the Valley of the shadow of death like there was a
three or four year period where I couldn't figure out
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what to trade or how to do it and I went to options I drove
out here to Austin Texas and interviewed John Carter after he took
his first million he made a million dollars in a day trading Tesla
and I came out and none of it made any sense I couldn't tell a
from a call from a hole in the ground yeah and then I so then I got
into trading some options I got into trading um like buying the top
stock of the day like the runner yeah I was never good at buying
stocks I'm still not good at buying stocks I'm terrible at
I'm terrible at buying stocks and then in 20120 and
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20120 and 20120 and 21 I had sold the podcast in the YouTube
channel and I was doing some Consulting and work with Tim Sykes um
and I just love Tim to death and I looked through a list of people
and I looked through the like the top traders in the syes family and
I was like these are all short sellers these are all like Jack and
Kyle and all these people are short Sellers and I like well I'm
skeptical I like sort of like finding the glitch and these guys are
really murdering it these guys are killing it and that was like my
that's when I really that was the it probably went through
eight
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years of back and forth and whatever else and then I started
shorting in 2021 and then a lot in 2022 and that's almost like
90% of what I do is short selling now yeah it's it's when
I look at has TR are you short selling micro cap stocks or it's
a mix of small andar I'll do both I'm even starting to do
large cap stocks after earnings money losing large cap companies
that report better than expected earnings and the stock Pops I will
short that um in after hours and hold till the next morning but yeah
that's actually great for larger accounts because you can trade
more size and it doesn't cost anything to borrow
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those overnight but yes I'll do a lot of micro caps to
oh and the interesting thing it's like I think maybe it was
like a secret in 2015 Short Selling these Mega C stocks it was Tim
who was the yeah the F the father of short sellon The Godfather of
short sellon back in the day I remember and then I think somewhere
along the line the secret got out too many people got shot H or B
make us caught on and we get the crazy squeezes so it seems like
long Traders have a much lower winning percentage but in its fer but
to be a short you need a lot of good discipline and risk
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management which brings us on your profit chart which has
zero crazy when I look at your kin for profit chart I know you knew
to K for I think it's up 300,000 or something so far um
there's no crazy uh downtrends what you attribute that
attribute that attribute that to thank you by the way so I'm
very interested in this topic because I hadn't thought about it
until you brought it up and I I guess I'll answer you I'll
give you the short answer but then I have a longer scary story
answer to that question that I want to I want to tell a story about
a giant mistake that I made but I think
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number one I don't care number one I don't care I
don't think of this I don't sell anything I don't
care about my reputation I don't care about what people think
of me so first of all I don't care so I'm not trying to do
anything in particular number two I'm super over capitalized so
I'm trading position sizes that can withstand enormous moves
against me like I could I can stay solvent longer than a micro cap
can stay irrational to quote like I can stay I can stay solvent
forever so now I don't really we'll get to this in a
minute but then the third one is I trade so small that generally
speaking nothing
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bad really ever happens to me so I'll I'll short um
and stock selection is a big key but I'm very strict on which
ones I'll short but I'll short something like say at $4
and it'll go to 12 and for some people from 4 to 12 is three
margin calls like they they it would but to me that would be a draw
down of maybe s% yeah I just don't even look at it I trade in
the morning I don't look at it again I so it's this I
think that's what does that's what it is for me is I did
take a lot of risk when I was growing $4,000 accounts into 30 I
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was just doing this over and over as practice and I kept
doing it over and over and I was taking a lot of risk then because
the accounts were smaller um but then and so then I if we could
follow up on that but three weeks ago I was in Mexico for a group
therapy men's retreat with uh Dr Robert Glover the author of No
More Mr Nice Guy love this guy I've been a fan of his for a
long time he invited me to come down to Mexico and I was reading
this book about becoming a better man and I was going to throw the
book in the trash I was angry and I
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was like I don't want to take responsibility for my own
mistakes I'm like I just was having this moment and I I shorted
mlgo and I hammered on it way early 24 hours later on that Friday I
was down $100,000 in unrealized losses and I was that's the
worst that's 10 times worse than the largest draw down I'd
had ever wow and I'm tell I was like and I and I said listen um
it made this mistake the old me old me would take the loss and then
be down and out for a month or two months or just depressed and
ashamed and whatever else and I I said this doesn't happen very
often and
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I took a deep breath and I just uh I just faced it head-on
like I just went headon and it it it got worse before it got better
but I just closed that um three days ago for $29,000 gain it's
the largest Short Selling gain I ever had but I went through that
was the worst that was so bad on my part and it had nothing to do
with stock selection and nothing to do with anything except for
trade trade trade size the the all you could almost short anything
if you are over capitalized you and I just that was such a mess up
for me me and but I had to like look stare
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in the face of death and look at it and for me that's
huge I know Jack's probably I'm Tim grani right some of
the old stories of Tim gratani being down $400,000 quitting for six
months or I think those stories I owe a lot to Tim gratani and the
concept of the Lost Journal like I owe a lot to those people who you
could see how stressful it was for them to go through those things
and I just I don't want to go through that and it was horri
like that those few days that I was in that trade and down all that
money I was so embarrassed I was so ashamed I was that
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was rough that was really rough but I mean where did you
learn to shortell was there something specific or did you watch
something or were you tracking stats or all right we'll just we
just okay I would walk this is like all right I have so much respect
I don't I don't have any a to grind with anybody and so I
want be careful about how I phrase this because I don't think
I'm that spe I don't think I'm that great and
there's so many other Traders on kinfield that are murdering it
and I'm the least of all of them and and but what I'm
about to say is gonna I don't want it to
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sound the way it sounds but I watched as people were trying
to learn how to buy micro micro micro caps and how frustrated and
disappointed and how unsuccessful they were that every day
there's nine micro caps that jump jump jump and the next day
eight out of those nine are are back to where they started and I
kept kept kept watching retail traders that had that smart people
good people that have small accounts and they were taught like you
can you can find the number one stock of the day and you can buy it
and then you can and I couldn't do it and I couldn't I
couldn't meet anybody who is a prim I'm
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I'm not going to say that it was hard for me to find
somebody who primarily day traded and bought stocks who published
their track record but I found like Jack is trans I I think Jack is
like a true American hero in the world of trading he's
transparent he tells you about his ups and downs he's he's
never shied away from showing you the worst thing he's ever
done but he's made a significant amount of money from shorting
and he does all kinds of stuff now and I'm not going to call
him a short seller but Kyle and Jack and Tim grani and those folks
it was more the concept than anything else the concept
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was like I can't figure out how they're doing this
but I do know that in the universe of day traders that publish their
results the short sellers are murdering it yeah and so I spent um I
just spent a huge amount of time sort of reverse engineering what do
what do and this is where I want to be careful like what do people
who teach people to buy stocks teach what are they teaching you to
look for and clearly a lot of times it doesn't work work like a
lot of times it jumps up for 5 minutes and then it spends the rest
of the day dropping and everybody's holding the bag and so I
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said well what are the characteristics of those companies
what what's the difference between the one company that keeps
going up and the seven or eight or nine every day that fall and are
lower than what are the characteristics what are the differences
between those companies and I just started taking notes and when we
share my screen later I've logged almost every single short
sale I've ever taken I've saved a chart and analysis and I
saved everything I I documented the chart and marked it up for
it's over 2,000 trades probably now and I learned a lot from
and I still do it now if I don't have if I won't document
the trade I I
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won't take it I have to stop and chart it up and stuff
that's going to be interesting this to to to to see but just
kind of one one final by see that I'm just thinking before we
ask a few questions about Kim for and we'll get into your
charts and you're 20 years in in in the business for someone
who does have so much capital for someone who is in a smaller
account but they still want to short sell so that's the edge do
you have any kind of tips or advice for someone who can't hold
is it a a trade smaller trade really small or what I love this
question because uh so
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200 200 200 23 all I did was start with four I don't
know why 4,8 it was a weird but I would start with 4,000 or 4,800
and then I would run the account up and I did that seven times so
over and over and over and over over and over again I just kept
doing that and then in February of last year year year 2024 I did a
thing I said you can come for free to my office I don't have an
office but I rented a conference room I said you can come for free
if you want to come talk about shorting because I did this all last
year and I finally like
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and I shared it and everybody started with a small account in
February and all of us traded the same things in the same way as a
really small there like 17 people in the group um Jake Hartman who I
think he may start posting there and a bunch of others um and
here's what we decided if you have a smaller account and you
want a short or long like it doesn't matter which it is because
it's not really that different you have to understand that as a
percentage of your account you are going to experience percentage
draw Downs that are higher than when you have a $30,000 account or
aund you're just going to have
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to accept that it's it's scarier to trade a small
account because you can't get anywhere otherwise and also if
you short 10 shares your overnight borrowing costs and your stock
borrowing costs outstrip all of your profits you have to trade at
least 100 shares and if you have a small account a 100 shares can
you could be down $500 overnight and you have to hold them overnight
because your account's small and your pattern day trader
it's like there's all these problems with it and what that
did for us was we zeroed in on stock selection so if you're
going to trade stocks buying or selling and day trading and you have
a pattern day trader
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account in the US you have to figure out what are the
criteria for stock selection for a buyer for example no threat of
dilution um has uh 40 or more months of cash left as a company you
have to learn how to analyze this stuff um and has a high percentage
of institutional investors you could find all this on Yahoo and
stuff those stocks are the ones that tend to run and so if I were
going to buy stocks I would only trade those ones and I would hold
them overnight in every situation so I could take as many trades as
I wanted every week we and if I were shorting it would be the
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the reverse of that and I would have to hold them overnight
and I would have to be great at stock selection and I would have to
have a high win percentage because when things go wrong you
don't want to give back like four weeks of profit just on one
bad trade and and that is the that is the struggle but you get
really really good if you force yourself to trade a small account
hold everything overnight and concentrate on stock selection and you
stop taking crappy you know stocks and you stop all of that other
Madness and you just focus on what is what are the characteristics
of the stocks that will run and it's
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not technicals it's usually it's something
fundamental about how much cash that company has left or they they
have FDA approval to Market something for the first time plus they
have 40 months of cash left plus they have a high number of
percentage of institutional investors those companies will run every
other one of them will not run for the rest of the day they will not
go and and the conv yeah I think having a small account if
you're open to taking the risk and you're willing to hold
overnight and you're willing to document every single trade you
take and you have you you public you publish your results you
transparently publish everything that you do
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so there's no secret trade and you can't take us
one on the side and lose a by like you have to be willing to like
open yourself up to criticism and and face the music because most of
us hide our losses and we're ashamed of it like you have to be
willing to open up about that stuff and there's so much that
comes from that but those are all things that are very difficult to
do so yeah so quality over quantity and and transparency yes yeah on
the subject of transparency you're a transparent Traer I think
it's from is it from February last year is it about one one
year you've been transparent now is
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it yeah I think it's either January of last year or
December of 2023 somewhere in there somewhere around there yeah
probably February so yeah so the big question is why now it's
funny you say this so I don't sell anything anymore I sold a
lot of stuff I worked with Agora I worked with Tim syes I loved him
I love like I I've worked with a bunch of people but last year
year year um like when you when someone sells stuff in the world of
trading God bless all of and I did it every Do It um I wasn't
always transparent and I and I honestly thought like if I'm
transparent and I show my
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mistakes people will be less likely to buy from me or
whatever there and last year in February when I just sort of let it
all like go and I don't want to sell anything anymore and I
don't want to I don't want to do that anymore it's
weird that at the point where I didn't have anything to sell
anybody anymore I thought I should have been doing this all along I
should have been showing this all along um because I learned so much
from I I still do it I go to kinel and I look at what the top people
on the leaderboard are trading and I look at what they did and how
long
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they held the position and how many shares they traded and I
look at their entry and then I go to a chart and I say wow they
traded 40,000 shares and it went two more dollars against them or
whatever and I learned so much from that and I thought well I
don't everything that I do now is free I'm going to open
up my trading results and my trade journal and my I'm just
going to open it up and uh I'm I'm like I'm
embarrassed that I didn't do it earlier Tim sites was on I
heard Tim talk about it for a long long time and I never took him I
never I'm embarrassed I
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didn't do that sooner he he led the way on transparency
for a long time but yeah I know he he's had he's uh ran
profitly for for many many many years now 10 probably 20 years now
um but I mean in terms of so for example if someone is teaching
trading would you say it's almost an obligation that you should
that's like 15 years ago 10 years ago faren off I think you
shouldn't there's no real way of showing your results the
tech wasn't quite the except profitly you can show Broast
statements but it's just a PDF kind of thing yeah do you think
it should be an obligation now if you're teaching you should
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verify your results in some real way or do you think I think
yeah for me yes for me there's no question for me no question
like there's people who teach and what do they say people who
can't do it teach it and I I can't speak for other people
and it's none of my business what other people do but for me
when I started publishing the results I results I results I realized
that I had had an obligation that I didn't I would do webinars
you could see my account all the time and I would send out my
brokerage statements but for me I realized that it was an obligation
for me and it's none
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of my business what other people do but and I want
that's why I want to be careful about it because I could very
easily say something like if you're not actually trading you
have no business teaching people how to do it but I don't know
if that's true I don't know if that's true and
that's just very convenient for me to say now that I actually
do publish the the the results so yeah I think it's like if I
were well let's do this if I were going to hire somebody to
teach me how to dress better and they looked like a slob I
wouldn't do it if I were going to hire somebody to
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teach me how to do real estate but they had no verif viable
proof that they'd ever done any real estate estate estate
investing I would there's no way if I was going to hire
somebody to do my taxes but there was no evidence that they'd
ever even done their own taxes so for me I was like wait a minute so
if I ever do teach anything again or charge for anything again which
I never want to but uh I think it's an obligation for me for
sure that's pretty powerful statement coming from someone those
20 plus years in the business as well and and and the other the
classic example is um getting a personal
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trainer who's out of shape yeah right and it's
already if you're selling stuff in the world of trading you
already have the defense mechanisms are up the people that
you're talking to are automatically suspicious if you can do it
why are you teaching it if you can do it so well why are you
charging for it listen I don't have any problem people charging
for their time this is America like America W capitalism one so I I
don't have any acts to grind with people who sell stuff but I
think it's fair for someone watching a webinar while
someone's going this is the greatest thing that ever happened
and it's the secret to selling options
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on AI like it's fair for a person watching that webinar
to say show it show me what you show me what you've that's
fair that's fair to say and I don't know if the industry
has an obligation to do that because it's a free country but
certainly certainly it's hard to imagine like how if they
can't do it why are they talking about it like why if you
can't like that would be but I didn't do it like Stephen I
showed I showed stuff I I was more transparent than I'm saying
but I want to just knock myself down a peg like for a long time I
would show my account and show my statements
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but I didn't have them verified and and I think if
you're not verifying your verifying your verifying your trades
and you can you should I think it's just better you're a
better Trader if you ver you're just better at it if you are
public about it no absolutely and I think well there's
there's two SES this kinding well we can't false every
mentor to verify we can't encourage the public to demand
verification and that's course that's the other s of the
kind and look for a mentor you could say look I'm I don't
want the pressure of trading live every and then kall would say well
did you know that you could just upload 2020
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did you know that you just upload that year did you know you
could just upload 2024 when it was done just show me one year show
me one show me one year of half a million and and that's okay
Tim katani actually when he when he I bought a course of Tim gretan
seems like a long time ago and it almost seemed like the whole
course was here are some stories about these horrendous losses I had
yeah and I found that to be so instructive and so helpful and if I
were going to do a maybe I will do a public webinar and I'll
talk about my big unrealized loss in mlgo and where I
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got in wrong and how I made it worse for myself and what I
would do the next time and how I dealt with the pressure of seeing a
giant loss as it was going and didn't lose my and still faced
it like that to me is more helpful than hearing someone go well you
get it when the squiggly line crosses the other squiggly line and
then it goes down to this squiggly line that doesn't help
anybody it's what do I do when things go wrong because if any
of us could take back our worst five trades we'd have so much
more money so the real question isn't can we make money trading
it's can we
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pre can we keep ourselves from giving it back that's all
you have to spend time on that's the only thing you need to
spend time on is learning how to not give it all back it's 100%
correct and that and look when when you are short selling and your
win rate is as high as 82% or 83% or n out of 10 stocks SP on the
day it's not a case of how difficult it is to to trade
it's a case of what do you do when it go when that one goes
against you how do you handle it and that's the million dollar
question and that's why a lot of Traders can make money
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but they can't make money long term cuz what do you do
when you win win win win win and then you don't know what to do
when the one that one goes against you and it always will it they
will all no you can cannot prevent you cannot prevent a bad
experience from happening whether it's a mental error emotional
trading a trade size error a mistake on your technicals or you fat
finger it you we are going to have all I did was whiteboard on Sat
Sunday morning I with my best friend we whiteboard and I was like
I'm ready to I want to I want to make a little bit more money
every day
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because I was doing two sometimes 2,000 sometimes a thousand
sometimes four but I wanted to do more and I said I can't
figure out a way to talk about increasing my profits without setting
trading goals that are going to get me in trouble and he said well
why don't we do this why don't we make why don't we
run through a bunch of scenarios where your loss is huge why
don't we run through a scenario where you're down $140,000
on a trade I'm like why are we doing this he goes because if
you increase your trade size the profits will take care of
themselves you just take profit at the same area as you always
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do and it's really not that big of a deal it's the
loss that's that's that's where everything's
going to get messed up and so we spent this time and he said all
right you're down 140,000 and the next higher level on your
short is $3 away and that would be a $200,000 loss what are you
going to do and we went through this scenario where I said oh okay
I'm going to throw off some of the position size I'm going
to dump it and then I'm going to put it back on later at a
higher level and or and we went through these scenarios and I'm
like okay and then I'm going to call and
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I have this whole thing now because I in if I increase my
trade size the the the money will take care of itself it's the
days where it goes wrong that I have to be ready to see larger
numbers than I've ever seen before and you're gonna see
them no matter how hard you try Jack Kellogg's a perfect
example he's so transparent I love that guy because he'll
take a giant giant loss and he'll admit it and he'll get
upset and he'll talk about it and but everybody just focuses on
his wins and God bless him he made a million dollars last month
trade whatever it was God the guy so's such a baller but
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to me it's not because he made a million dollars in a
month it's because he showed the losses that he makes that
money because he's learned how to not be his Own Worst Enemy he
got out of his own way and I think he did it by being transparent
Stephen like that's the thing he doesn't hide what he does
and that's just like that's that's the gift that
never stops giving yeah that's an interesting observation
Jack's a bit of a Sly an American Prodigy but um I was going to
ask you who your favorite trailer is on kall I heard you live up to
on the leaderboard but I'm not sure if it's already
answered
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yeah I like to Kyle Williams I lik looking at what and some
of these we some of these guys some of these people have these weird
names and then I look at their trades and it's all these
options trades and I'm like is this the Matrix like what am I
looking at I don't even know what those are doing so I do I
like those ones I'm on the hunt for Traders who are day trading
buying stock stocks and holding those stocks for less than 24 hours
I'm very intrigued by what they're doing so I I spend
maybe 30 minutes a day on Kino and I go through the people on the
leaderboard and looking
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for people that bought stocks and then I go to the chart and
I see where they bought what was the max Excursion how far did it go
against them how many shares were they trading um and what does it
appear what does it appear they were doing when they entered what
time of day was it and then I'll go to the company and then I
built some things with AI where I upload their earnings releases and
their 10ks and their um 10 Q's whatever you know depending on
what they have and I it will start analyzing it and I'll start
analyzing like what are the characteristics of these companies so I
have this database of
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people who took day trades and bought stocks here are all the
symbols and and and then I put all of the collected Research into
the AI and I say what are the what are the common characteristics
and it's 40 months or more of cash left on the Run way more
than 20% institutional ownership a market cap over a 100 million
like these are all just they're they're it's
it's not like speculation this is all of them share at least
those things and I'm like oh so if a stock Pops in the morning
and it has those characteristics I might start buying stocks Stephen
I might like I might do something that I don't usually do
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that's very interesting thank you for sharing that um do
you want to go into some charts to wrap up yeah sure it take me a
second in here to just get this all out um this is my trade journal
and I mean if we want to we could I don't know how many slides
there are in this Google slid stick let's see 798 so
there's 798 Short Selling trades that go way back I documented
almost every single trade I took for a long long time and you could
start to see characteristics they start looking EX actly the same
they just they look they look like this over and over and over and
over again and
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today I shorted and we we can go to the triart I'll
whatever question I shorted VC when it was like right up there I
borrowed I actually ended up buying 10,000 shares and I shorted it
it jumped up and hit the current monthly pivot up here dropped back
fell below the volume weighted average price on a one minute chart
and I shorted it and and I know that it has an Institutional
ownership of 10% so that's lower than the threshold it is a
market cap under 100 million you and I Stephen could buy this
company for 2.4 million I don't think we should but you and I
could go money quickly so um and I'll
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track the long-term chart and like to look at one of the
questions I'd like to ask is does this stock tend to drop every
single time it time it time it spikes and I I love to see that I
love to see that and I never hold long enough so today I shorted
5,000 shorted 3,000 more and then I didn't even hold it for
this move all the way down here but they you know that's what
you can ask me anything you want I don't want to interrupt you
but no no it's fine it's fantastic to say do you have a a
general so you've already kind of outlined your your
fundamental fundamental criteria of
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what would be along and the opposite would be a short but in
terms of your execution I looking for anything more than pivot
Points or a certain percentage up before you start short or is it
just against resistance resistance resistance or I love to see a few
things in particular um it's it's you don't really
see it here on the chart but this purple line here this is the
current monthly pivot and I'm going to try to I always long
I'm such a long- winded blow hard but I'll try to make
this quick in 2009 2008 2009 a woman calls me on my cell phone and
says hi my name is whatever my husband Gary
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Fluker works for Julius bear um on Wall Street and his
birthday's coming up and he listens to your podcast and I want
to give him the gift of sending him to your office for a few days to
trade with you as a birthday present I was like well that's
nice of you to you know offer me as a birthday present whatever so
Gary comes out and he pulls up his his Bloomberg on his laptop so we
log into Bloomberg and we download hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of thousands of days of data and we were we spent four days
asking the question How likely is it that a stock will touch its
monthly pivot point
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in the month that that pivot point is created and the numbers
were 85% or higher and it that spun off a ton of research so what I
like to do to answer your question is I like to see on a short a
stock jump up to and hit the underside of a current monthly pivot
and go down stocks in a long-term downtrend will typically rise up
to their pivot and then bounce off of it and fall stocks in uptrends
will tend to go above their current monthly pivot bounce off of it
and continue up so I'd like to see it either bounce off of the
underside of the current monthly pivot or it I like
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to see it above that level and like to use that current
monthly pivot as a Target it's a it's just a magnet for
price and the first time I ever started BR pulling this stuff up I
was like shocked at how reliable pivots were um V this is VZ I
don't even remember why this is here but it jumped up to the
underside of a pivot on this is a longer term chart and then
it's falling all the way back down it will eventually fall all
the way down to like this pivot right here it will it will go there
so if it has an upd for example it might jump up to the underside
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of this pivot I'll short it and I'll try to ride it
all the way down to that level that we talked about over there so
that's another thing that I'm doing and you can see here
companies that lose money will jump up to the underside drop down
they will jump up and drop down there's just it's very
consistent it's very reliable they've got to meet the
fundamental characteristics first they've got to be a terrible
company that's blah blah blah but as long as this criteria are
satisfied it's it's pretty reliable no it's
interesting to see that you're trading pivots because I think I
I was probably learning to trade for a few years before I
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heard anyone talk about a pivot but it's the guys
who've been trading the longest time generally use them and
that that must be a sign yeah there was a guy that came out to my
office he retired from the floor in Chicago and he brought his
jacket so I could see his refco jacket and um he reached in the the
pocket of his of his Trader coat and he pulled out this note and it
had the daily weekly and monthly pivots on them and I was like why
is that there he goes that's all we did we would trade price we
would trade it as price moved away from those pivots and then
we'd trade
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back to them and as a market maker that pivot was like fair
value for them during the day wow and it stuck in my mind that stuck
in my mind and he said when he got off the floor he wanted to learn
how to trade with pivots and I was like honestly I don't that
was back I didn't even know a pivot from a hole in the ground
but now it's like a major major element of what I do for sure
like um when VC the last time I shorted it when it jumped up here
you know what it was doing it was just reaching up for an old
monthly pivot that had not yet
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been hit that's all it wanted to do it's all it
needed to do so sometimes we ask as short sellers when is the move
going to be over when will this pain be over that helps me answer
that question how was just the sector news and and and uh what
you're shorting I I am I don't care about the news at all
no I don't I I just don't care about the news there was um
there's one exception to that that happened over the last two
months was um at the beginning of every year I write down on a piece
of paper what I think like the theme of the year is going to be
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and this year was Chinese stocks recovering and Robotics and
there was a there was a show in Las Vegas at CES or whatever about
Robotics and Ai and that week these these money losing micro cap
robotics companies were just flying high and I we stayed away from
shorting those stocks that week so if there's a major theme
going theme going theme going on you'll see like for a while
there last fall all the companies were like micro caps were like
we're going to announce a coin we've created a meme coin
or we're going to stop um making disposable diapers we're
now going to mine for Bitcoin that all these and we wouldn't
short those ones
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because that was the hot topic of the day and the nice thing
right now is there is no Hot Topic everybody's Topic
everybody's Topic everybody's bearish which is bad because
nothing's going up but so there isn't one of those right
now but occasionally there's a topic that hits when Co came
around Co you wouldn't want to short a company that was working
on a vaccine we're going to have a Time some time this year
where um companies working on bird flu vaccines micro caps and even
micro caps that have a headquarters at a UPS store that don't
make any money they're going to announce that they're
working on a bird flu cure I won't short
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those ones so that will become a theme and I W I won't
get in the way of the mass like when when the popular Madness and
delusions of crowds takes over I will get out of the way of those
kinds of news events but otherwise I don't care about the news
um for people who haven't traded long though they might not
know but there's been coins and then before that vaccines and
before that EVS with the Tesla runup and the other electric run-ups
and then and then marijuana and then defense Whenever there was a
Las Vegas shooting that you'd have um police cameras there been
all sorts of things over the years yeah and they
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avoids do you have a sense of like um The Daily the daily
patterns are you looking for the first R days the the Gap and
spikers or or or just nope I don't I don't I'm
embarrassed I still don't know what a first red day is like
I'm not I I don't know what that is I've heard it in
doing well though you're up 300 Grand you're up 300 Grand
since you've opened Kim for obviously you've made a lot
more in the past beyond that but uh but you're up 300,000
shorten and it's it's just from studying the kin for
charts um Ling through the day analyzing what's going on based
statistically yeah and uh
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running the probabilities probabilities probabilities
basically yeah what was the other one you said the first red day and
then the other one was got so I would say that that sounds like what
I that sounds similar to what I'm looking for I'm looking
for money losing companies to jump 30% or more in a in the
pre-market session so that would that's probably more similar
to what I look for but uh yeah and you're looking at them to
come around the pivot Points yeah I'm looking for them to come
around the pivot Points I'm looking um for signs of exhaustion
I'm looking I'm looking I'm looking for one of the
things that I like have written
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everywhere is just wait wait wait wait comma wait comma wait
comma period like wait wait wait wait like don't rush in to any
trade ever just wait and I might miss it but just wait just hold off
and that has been wonderful that's been great yeah I think
there's a with short tell and I've done it for a number of
years as well and I think there's only two real ways to go
wrong and the first one is getting in early and the second
one's getting in too big and as suppose the third one is not
nor to take a loss so there's only there's only three ways
you can go wrong with an 80%
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Win race there's only three people do whatever and I
would add the fourth one for me is and I love those that you said
fourth one for me is stock selection yeah of course yeah trade
companies trade companies that don't have enough cash to
survive the next 12 months what you can look for is in their um 10
Q's or 10ks depending on whether it's a foreign company
you can look for the um they have to give a notice and I'm
I'm nervous to talk to you so I'm forget that but they
give a notice that they don't they have to put it in their
their quarterly filings that they don't might not have enough
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money to survive the next 12 months and it's a mandatory
notice yeah H that's that's a big one around for as well
um yeah we're coming up to towards an hour do you have any
final tips any golden nuggets any stories any memorable stories in
the industry when the last 20 years of trading it blows out on you
can and you can stop sharing if you want okay um I just would just
say um I just have so much respect for what you're doing and I
have so much respect for the Traders on the lead leaderboard um like
I'm not in the same league as any of those but that it is it is
amazing
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in this day and age that any retail Trader can go to the
website and they can start the process of reverse engineering what
someone successful is doing and I would focus most on the losses
look at mine look at any Focus your attention on the losses and look
at what they did and in every case you'll see if it's uh
if they're buying stocks you're going to that they got in
too late at the top of the move if they're shorting stucks they
got in too early at the bottom that there's so much to learn
from that and some of these people on K I'm just like they are
they are crushing it they are
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making so much money and it's out there for us to look
at it's it's it's it's amazing we end there
thank you so much for your time Rob really appreciate it really
appreciate you coming on and and for everything that you've
shared in the community thank you thank you I appreciate it
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Welcome to episode 1 of our podcast, where we dive into the
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this episode, we sit down with Edu Trades, a standout trader on the
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What You’ll Learn:
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The importance of risk management and staying process-focused.
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00:58 - Edu's Journey to 1.4 Million
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03:51 - What Got Edu to 1 Million
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we have a true standout Trader who is on the top half of the
alltime leaderboards to get to the one milon I think it's
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to access our Advanced trading reports and analytics but
today for our premere episode we have a true standout Trader who is
on the top half of the alltime leaderboards 1.4 million in verified
profits edu trades how are you doing edu how's it going my man
good to see you good to see you so good to see you I haven't
seen you in a while so I'm pretty excited to be here now we
haven't actually spoke since some of the older podcast days but
uh you've been one of the main guys who's always been
consistent with me always reached out always said do you want help
if you need help always offered some like a help
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in hand dude you're one of the only guys that I've
met who genuinely want to help other people and there's often
not anything back in return it's it's just to be a good
person like I don't know where you get that from bro I think I
think it's a matter of I I I was in such a bad place when I
started trading and and when I like struggled a lot with trading so
I think you recognize that struggle in in other people so you try to
make it easier but I think doing this for a while I think people
must have their own insights you know in a way uh of course
you're there
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to as as you're a little bit more experienced than than
people that are one or two year three year trading you might label
their issues in a way or label their their their things that they
have to improve but at the end you have to to you know follow your
own path and your personality brings a lot in this game so uh you
cannot it it's really hard for you to follow a Trader for you
to you know when you're being mentored um um um that Mentor
better has some kind of insight of your trading and your weaknesses
and your strength so he can help you the best so I always try to
when I
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see someone that has a lot of potential or whatever I try to
reach out and and whatever whatever I have to do in order for them
to you know to improve a little bit I'm there you know that
makes a lot of sense we're going to get into some questions
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everyone so when I last spoke to you edu you were nearing 1 million
in verified profit on kall you're now on 1.4 million
you've actually secured a spot on the alltime leaderboards at
kall I just want to check check check what what were the lessons
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and what were the things that got you to the 1 million and
then what have you learned since the 1 million that's got you
to the 1.4 I think well to get to the 1 million I think it's
it's the the main thing because once you get there everything
gets a little bit easier in a way like um to get to that million
you're you're really deep into the Milestone so
you're really deep into the result and that's something
that it's really counterproductive for your trading because if
you're thinking about money if you're thinking about
numbers every single day you drift away from the process and the
process is what gets you there the process
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the doing your watch list preparing um making your plan
making your your your checklist uh understand making your due
diligence understanding that it's not only the micro setups and
the you know and the noise on the each candle you have to look at
you know the big picture those things is what will make you a better
Trader not if I I'm green today or I'm Green in the week
so I think one of the the best lessons that I had um achieving that
million is whenever I drift away the most from the results and from
that goal and from that mil and I forget about that Milestone I
perform better and whenever I I I
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try to stick to the process and I try to um follow each one
of the things that I learned that I've learned through the
through the years it it gets easier um the expectations of making
money out of the markets is what it's man it's the devil
like it's so hard U to to manage those those expectations
because let's face it like we we really want to make money um
from the markets like that's that's the goal at the end
and and that money means something to us maybe that money means
freedom maybe that money means Independence maybe that money means
survival even so whenever you you start traducing those trading
points into things that
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you might get from real life that's when it gets tricky
so whenever you're in this Quest try to stick to the process
and TR try to drift away from the from the goals from the monetary
goals and whenever I I cross that million everything was so smooth
in a way of course you get other challenges uh I always always tell
my my the guys that um the guys and girls that trade with me um and
they're achieving a few Milestones I always say like once you
get to a level uh it's harder in in a psychological way because
now you have the result now you don't have the excuse to you
know being sad or
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being in a way you know uh I didn't perform well blah
blah blah no you have the result already so why are you s so that um
how there's a phrase that Tony Robins says that is um success
without F fulfillment is the ultimate failure and I think I had that
uh because I had the result I had all the things that I ever wanted
with trading and then whenever I had a really bad day a really bad
performing day I felt like crap like I felt like really a really
really bad Trader and start questioning myself if you know if
I'm a really good Trader if blah blah you know so it gets
trickier
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it gets you know scaling is a little bit different than than
making it at first but I am enjoying it so much more like I'm
I'm enjoying every single thing like this gme thing like I I I
watch it with popcorns man like I I really enjoy every single thing
of the price action I'm learning a lot and and I'm
I'm willing to learn in order to capitalize in a bigger way in
in the future you know but like for me what I what I think the
difficulty is in is you've made million plus you know that your
process is work you know that your strategies work you know that if
you have a bad
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day Green Day is probably around the corner but it's
that struggle for new Traders and maybe we can talk on it but
it's that struggle that first of all they need to learn the
pattern and they need to know what pattern works and the second
thing is it's it's so much more about the money in the
beginning because you need that validation not you don't want
to go and buy a car you want the validation that you can make it and
praying and when 95 96% of people can't those green days are
not just money it's like it's a sign that you can do it
and and there's so much pressure on that and it's
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and it's almost the same for you when you're on the
road to a million it's like I can make a million dollars I can
be a real Trader and that don't know if IU can swear but with
your head a little bit especially to show people that didn't
believe in you that that it can be done because everyone is like yo
you're trading oh that's a scam you know and you kind of
want that validation in a way and I think the way I I um deal with
that is having the results in advance uh what what do I mean about
that in a way you have a vision with trading and you have you
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have a commitment that this will work so you what you do is
you picture yourself as a great Trader as a as the trader that makes
money out of the markets and that's probably I don't know
in 3 years four years four years four years 2028 for example so what
you do is you reverse engineer that really really good Trader and
you start behaving the same way you start uh doing the same habits
that that person has and you try to fill the Gap in a way from from
the guy that you're now and the guy that you want to become and
that's that's pretty much how how I see it like and I I
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I'm constantly pursuing that person that I want to
become in a few years and I try to reverse engineer what that person
is doing so I think the best tip that I can give you in order to
really make it without the results because you need that validation
is knowing that the validation is there you know it is there in in
the future of course and there's a book I was reading a book uh
of Joy despensa uh breaking the habit of being your s that that
talks about that and and it's it's really cool to to
understand that you could potentially have that scenario in your
life and you just have to live it
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through from from the future till now you know we we all want
from now to the future but we don't know how to get there but
the person who did it that's us in four years ago already made
it so he's going to be the one or she's going to be the
one that that lead us to to that result in a way me that's the
most unbelievable advice that I've heard in a very long time
the fact that the best way to to detach from the profit and loss
when it's difficult in the early days is to to envisage in the
future with strong confidence that you've already made it and
that this loss
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that you've just had today is just part of the journey
to you being your future self in three or four years that is
unbelievable advice in terms of of shaping your psychology but you
got that from Jord spener got that you just thought of it after
reading Jo dispenser or well I'm kind of a Tony Robins guy and
I have like since I was probably like 15 years old I I I always um
you know hear his CDs and all those things back then but nowadays I
I try to get a little bit into metaphysics and those kind of things
yeah and I love the Joe dispenser philosophy U but in a way people
and
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and this is where it gets through stepen because I see a lot
of people that are really into the psychology and blah blah blah and
they don't have an edge like of course that's important
and trus in yourself is important the confidence is important the
vision is important uh knowing how to manage a stress is super
important position sizing and and um risk management is super
important but if you don't have etch if you don't have
technical etch which means that if you don't have an advantage
on the the the markets like nothing will work so I try to tell
people that are starting that because because you always hear these
things that hey I'm
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struggling because I have conflict of interest I have my
psychology I cannot uh you know have a red day or whatever and when
I ask them hey what's your Edge in the markets they start like
mumbling oh well and this when whenever it crosses and blah blah
blah and I get this and what you know it's not clear enough so
I think it's really important for people to know their Edge
know what they're good at and this is where Kino sets in right
um You have to know what you're good at you have to know what
setups you're really milking out of the markets and you're
really knocking it out of the park because maybe
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and it's really important that you know that this is
yours this is something that it's art in a way uh you have a
personality different than mine you have a risk tolerance different
than mine you have a you have a whole thing different whole core and
experience is super important too so whatever you know how to do
best and this is something that I got from um uh Dr Ste barer from
uh an SMB conference that I had probably like four months ago
already and he he said something like really really uh that I have a
lot of insights about that which was everybody in trading is asking
thems what did they do wrong and
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what they have to improve and what they what what mistake
that they did blah blah blah but they're not asking themselves
how can they maximize what they're doing well and I think
that's something so important because if you don't know to
how to maximize the setups that you you know best and the setups
that you know that they work for you and they yeah you probably will
lose one or two t one or two times but the importance of
understanding that if you make one it will make up probably two or
three losses that's incredible that's risk management
right so I think it's really really important that people
understand that it's not only yeah the
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stress and the you know managing stress and psychology
because I see a lot of people talking about that nowadays and I
think ET is probably the most important thing when you're
beginning but there's not much stress when you're trading
$1 and $2 is there so sometimes this just a question of size as well
you can say I'm dead stressed out if you if the profit and loss
is going up a dollar down a dollar up a dollar you know what you
know what Stephen I think that stress comes from a from a place that
you want validation from others in a way you know that you you want
people to people that love you maybe
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maybe they don't want you to be scammed or whatever and
nowadays trading is a is a really great area it's a really
great industry especially for the people that you know sell courses
and they don't know anything about trading so what you get is
that sense of es skepticism uh from people and people that love you
don't want you to be heard in a way right and they don't
want you to be in that path so when you're doing it you're
trying to in a way you're trying to tell those people hey I do
know what I'm doing well so it's not even about the money
it's about being right maybe and that's something that
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yeah and that's something that we have to we have to get
from our heads but it's it's so difficult but it's
like I suppose in the early days it's like watch as many
different parts of trading as you can see all of the different
patterns say what matches your personality and then once you find an
edge because you've traded enough times and then maybe you do
use kall and you do T setups and tag this is one setup this is one
setup this is another setup and then see what what's profitable
and what's not profitable and then I think the next thing for
you is is exactly what you said like put that mindset do
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those meditations envisage the future and think I'm
already profitable I'm already profitable I've got the
edge just it's just another day of being a profitable Trader
and if I take a loss that's okay because profitable Traders
take losses it's almost a bit like that but but but edu one
thing that surprises me about you right many things surprises about
you but you but you but all all in good ways I actually wore a shirt
today because I wanted to not because I have to wear a shirt but
because I wanted to show a sign of respect that I wanted to people
people people friend you say that I'm the host I'm the
were a freaking
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Su you know no um no no one told me what I have to wear today
but I put a shirt on specifically because I'm talking to you as
a sign of respect BR the horse as well you you're the
millionaire Trader you can you can show up however you want you can
show up in your boxer shorts does doesn't matter but um dude
like what two things loads of things get me but one of the things
that gets me is I see a lot of good Traders right and what I find
that all have in common is common is common is that often in the
personality traits can be without emotion or they can be
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a little bit quiet a little bit introverted a little bit
mechanic you proudly born and bred in the lands of in the lands of
Latina no where I am right now you have emotion so you're like
an anomaly did you have a struggle with having emotion and having
strong feelings and trading I think I use it as a as a fuel I guess
like if you see my sessions because I do life trading every day and
if you see our sessions it's pretty cool you should come
sometime because they're pretty cool like they're there we
have music going on and and we have jokes going on all the time and
we like I think in
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order for this to to become your daily thing because I I
think a trading as my you know it's it's part of me now
it's not even my job it's something that I get to play
with every day so it's exciting to to wake up and do this so as
it is such a lonely profession and as it is such a um in a way you
have to be really consistent in order to make it so so I have fun
with it and it's not that that that I don't take Serious
training I just think that in order for you to enjoy it like
you're with people you're we create this community
we're with people
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we're um because we have you have to be really patient
and sometimes there's no play but you have to be like in in in
the play in the game so you can spot that opportunity so you have to
wait and and if if the trade doesn't go to your levels you
cannot do anything so that's why we you know we we we have fun
and I think that part of my personality has helped me a lot just
because uh at first I was struggling so much in trading and I think
if if I were uh kind of introverted uh I think it would be really
hard for me to deal with with everything that I
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had to deal with so I think there's no such thing as a
perfect personality for making it a trading of course when I see
Lucas for example the shore bear he's really like German style
you know he's super disciplined he's super and of course
if you see me I'm like freaking listen to like a don't
trade you know like it's so different and of course he has made
so many millions and I I haven't but I think in a way it's
trading makes you what I love about trading is is that it gives you
the opportunity to make it as your own so like you express yourself
there and you you you kind of that's
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why maybe I have so many arrows in my in my charts you know
and and and and I think it's really important for people to
understand that what they have to do when they're learning this
is what I did I have so many things in my training that Tim grani
taught me that Tim Sykes taught me that Nate taught me that um Jay
Trader taught me that um even s Luchi I'm learning a lot of
crazy things about options right now regarding equities uh from Zan
Luchi uh I'm I'm learning so many things from Lucas I
understood a lot about pyramid in from Lucas I I understood so much
about filings filings with Ricky you
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know and and so many things like I have my own Frankenstein
and I I I I understood recycling with bow you know it's so many
different Styles so many different things that I put together in
order to trade the way I trade that I think people should learn a
little bit from everyone you know and and understand what good from
everyone can fit your personality and and that's what I did so
I think your personality is key um I think the less and I must tell
you this I think the less emotions you get the easier trading gets
but if you are such a passionate guy maybe like me um you you can
make it
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your own it's not that you're doomed you know maybe
I have to be really like for example when I'm when I'm
trading like really tra actual trading like really entering a
position I cannot have distractions like I have to be really really
focused but when I'm waiting for that moment I TR try to you
know distress myself with with you know company in a way yeah all
right I've got a couple of uh quick more slightly more quick
fire questions for you uh the first one first one first one is Edie
what's your why what's your why why did you get into train
uh I just had my third kid right now and my purpose
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it's Legacy and if I can provide every single
opportunity for my kids like I made it already so I think I
it's a matter of providing it's a matter of of
understanding that you're here for to to create uh something
bigger than you because whenever you're you're only
focusing on you uh when you're up that's great but
there's sometimes that you get those you know downhills and
especially in trading and you have to have that fire inside of you
that will make you out of the bed will will make you get up up from
bed will make you you know sometimes when I get really really harsh
losses they're not about the money anymore but
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they're about my performance and I and I really question
myself when when I get to those moments maybe once or twice a year
and bro I hit hard bottom really really hard and when it what it
really really helps me is that mindset of hey it's not about me
anymore it's about other people that are that are uh making it
for their own future and that's why I think it's it's
really important and also of course you have this uh like I really
enjoy the the independence I really enjoy you know if if I want to
go to Italy and I just do it and and that spontane spontaneity I
don't know how to say
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that in English spontaneity I don't know how to say
spont SP you should teach me spontan yeah man like like for example
I'm I'm uh going to this like I love soccer and I'm
going to this matches of the cup America and one of Venezuela is
playing in in La so I'm like freaking I have to go to La but I
can do it like I I I'm able to do it so it's a matter of
choice it's it's not a matter of if I can or I can't
anymore it's a matter of if I want to or not so that thing over
there like I I think those that combination of of those two
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that Legacy and that providing thing and the the the uh doing
things because you want to and not because you can like that's
for me is really really important really really important
you're a huge advocate if can for you post your charts every
month what's what's the what's the love and
fascination with kall kall kall I I've met I've met Carl
um I love the guy by the way like I I I get along with him a lot uh
we met in Vegas maybe three or four years ago and like the project
itself I love it because like in an Ideal World we should all get
kmf like every everyone should get Kimo just because
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you know if someone is questioning you for example or
questioning another Trader that Trader might feel really really bad
because there are so many trolls in the internet so many people that
complain so many people that are that like doing things that that
don't help anyone and sometimes those people uh who get really
hurt by by those if they see their track record they wouldn't
be hurt that much you know what I'm saying because if someone
that it's making in it trading is bashing you like he probably
I don't know I I've never seen it I I've never seen
one I remember once um there was this guy like maybe one or two
years ago
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he was bashing Kimo no because people in Kimo they don't
have the locates and then Carl got the locates okay no they in Kimo
and this guy is he was bashing me this guy blah blah blah and
I'm like why this guy like it's really weird why is this
guy well two weeks later he released his his service yeah exactly
and he wasn't verified so it's a matter of if everyone is
verified in a way you could spot those things and you will see that
people that are making it and trading are not bashing other people
like they're just trying to help they if you see like the
leaderboard who who you see there like
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stepen D you see Kyle you see Dom you see a lot of guys that
really provide value for the community when whenever I see one of
these um uh monthly Recaps of Tri of Kyle's traits bro
that's incredible and there's so many people that that
that provide um value to the community that I think whenever
you're whenever you're whenever you're transparent um
it's it's a a way to um get you um how can I say it like
Authority in a way so people understand that what you're saying
has has a point and I did it like also I love it because it it gives
something to my community that we didn't have before that is
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the Roger banister effect which is uh do you know the story
of Royal banister no okay there's this guy like before I think
the 1950s uh people couldn't uh run one mile in less than four
minutes and this guy beat it so picture this before 1950s you could
like nobody could uh do the one mile in four minutes when this guy
beat guy beat guy beat it there's something like 2,000 people
that have done it already yeah I know so that yeah so that is so
people it's not that people grew legs longer legs it's not
that people are I don't know eating uh better to go faster
it's just that people Now understand that
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it can be done so when it can be done it unlocks this
resistance and it's easier to do it so if I can do it or if Jac
K can do it like I get really really uh encouraged by oh so
there's this guy that didn't have a lot of money that is
not that he is a Quantic physician or something like that he's
not an astronaut like he is really similar than me so if he did it
like I could I could do it so that Roger banister effect I love that
about kfo and and of course that's why I'm I'm such a
promoter of it I I every single time I try to
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encourage people to to get into Kimo not many people want
that um some don't want it because it's really it's
really hard to be transparent these days you know and and and I know
the reasons why maybe even safety you know even even the IRS can can
spot you but but many we all know why they don't want to be
transparent so I think uh bringing the transparency back to the
industry will will will make it better and I think Kimo is such a
such a um a good way to to for people that are even starting to get
lead in a better way so that's why I'm such a fan of Kimo
yeah but
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I mean there's so much Mystique over um which trading
Guru can you trust like who can you actually trust to be saying the
truth about what they're saying and if they're un kful
it's undisputable but I mean so what would you say it to
someone who's selling a cost and not on pfall it's
difficult one I know the thing is thing is thing is um if someone
has 20 years plus doing this like maybe they don't want to
expose thems in a way because it connects all the all the trades and
it's not about losing it's about winning too it's
about ear earning money too you don't want that ex-wife to to
see you how
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much you're making right and so maybe there there are a
few exceptions and and I want to be really really careful about that
because we cannot say hey every everyone that sell courses if if if
not in Kimo like they're they're a failure it's not
that way but what what I should say is um Kino will boost their
their their their sales and it's a really smart way to to boost
their sales just because Kimo is the only way and if somebody has
another way let me know but Kimo is the only way that you can for
sure verify a Trader and and that's why I would tell those
people that are that are selling
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courses and don't have Kimo yet it's a way to boost
your Sal like it's a way for you to be legit it's a way
for people trust you is a way for people to uh look for you when you
don't show you don't appear in their feed on on ads or
whatever like Kimu is a genuine way to to lead people that are
starting and wants to to to get a course just because of the of the
transparency of it and for those who do it for because they
don't know how to trade you're you should get out of the
way way way like like if you're if you're teaching trading
and you couldn't make
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it um by the way I do think you could but if you're
saying that you're profitable and you're not you're a
scam and I know a few I know a few and and what what I can say is
hey say that you're not profitable that you might be a good
teacher right you might be a really good teacher I can show you how
to put trades and and and not be profitable I can show you patterns
and not be profitable I can show you statistics and not be
profitable I can show you risk management and not be profitable so I
I really think you could teach a few things about trading without
being profitable but
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what is wrong is to deceive people and saying that you are in
order to get more subscribers or whatever so take that advice for
the people that are teaching courses get into Kimo because
it'll boost your CS that's it I've got a question for
you that you might that you don't have to answer and you can
just say a Skip and we'll go into the next one but I was just
curious to know do you have a if it's possible to even have a
favorite furu if that's even a thing do you have a furu that
you like purely for entertainment even if you don't follow the
furu a favorite furu um I do but
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I don't know I I don't want to say it maybe maybe
in a couple of drinks I'll tell you I I I don't I can say
my favorite fur of all time if it is if it even is a f i don't
know I'd like to say him on I'd like to say on kful but I
love Zack Zack is it Zack attack if he even is it for Zack trades is
it well but but I you know what I'm I'm kind of a fan of
the guy just because he brings volume like I love people that pump
dogs and brings volume so I'm like yeah go for it you know
bring some volum push
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those dos up and for me to have you know meat on the bone
because remember this in small caps if you don't have those
those extensions you will never have volatility and if you
don't have volatility as a day trader you're doomed so all
these bumpers that bring volume and bring um attention to the to
these markets bring all the people that are going into crypto and
and are going into you know futures or Forex or whatever bring here
and you know it it will bring more even more volatility to the
markets and that if you know how to trade volatility if you know how
to deal with it you'll profit from it so bring
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them is vice notes are pretty entertaining as well I
don't know if you ever listen to any of his vice notes his
audio notes on Twitter or if you watch any of his videos
they're pretty Haven I haven't seen a lot but but I I I
kind of know his work and I I'm a fan of it so but to tell you
the truth there there is there's some people that that also say
that they're on kimone they're not like they they put
they're oh I'm on Kim and I'm and I'm
transparent blah blah blah or whatever and they're they they
have their profile as private you know like that's deceiving
like you cannot do
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that tell people hey yeah I I teach this thing and I I
can't teach you but say as it is it is it is think that's
really really really really important for people to understand that
you're being taught by someone that and and maybe he has a or
she has a lot of profits and a lot of things but maybe he or she
doesn't want to show it so be you know be be honest with it
don't say that you're Unk don't say that you're
transparent you say or or say saying you're transparent you
don't use Kimo no because Kimo it can be manipulated I'm
like okay if it can be manipulated why don't you
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manipulate yourself and put yourself in the leader War right
of course I would do that no but I mean I agree you could have an
absolutely fantastic statian who is a brilliant stici brilliant
Trader who was also an alcoholic and he goes six day sobber on every
seventh day gets black out blind drawn doesn't know where he is
and loses all of his money but he's actually a fantastic
teacher and Trader he just has this problem on the seventh day he
gets blind drunk and he could be a good teacher he just needs to say
I am a really in alcoholic I am a raging alcoholic with a problem
but I'm a fantastic teacher on
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those other six days do you know what I mean just honest
honest 100% And and I think I think there are people that work with
me that will that are great teachers and they're not as
profitable yet so they could they could teach it's just being
being aware that and make people aware when I started teaching I
wasn't that profitable either but I disclos my my my thing I
was like okay I make probably like $1,000 a month so this is what
you get and I I got a lot of rejection for people that were like
like I I want to make uh a 100,000 a year I don't want to make
10 grand a
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year you know what I'm saying but I I think it I think
it's really important that people understand that and ke Kino
will provide that for them them them so why not do it what's
your thoughts on um trading Kitty in the GMA action these last few
last few last few days uh what do you mean the was it was GMA right
GMA has been a crazy ticker these last few days it was due to a TR
I've had so much fun last week like so much fun I I probably um
one of the best opportunities that I've ever seen uh well not
ever seen but in this year uh it's ffi e and that
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was like uh two months ago or so or one months ago and gme
that day whenever they got that dilution uh that that ATM uh I think
it was 75 million shares and it was such a clear short like it was
such a clear short when I got when they got all that dilution the
the thing is they have this huge guy behind it uh roran Kitty and
I'm just learning I'm just learning a lot from it um I
think we will have a lot of things like this in in in in the
following years so we have to learn a lot because this is what is
the new way to promote stocks it's the
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new way to to make that pump and dumb scheme so and we have
seen the evolution of it we we started with the males you know I
remember Tim Gran's trading tickers you you see the how the
promotion was done and if you see the the the movie um what was it
the Wolf of Wall Street if you see how they done it uh before it was
by phone you know then it was by mail then you have this crazy um uh
Discord groups now you have this guy that moves so much volume the
guy had 600,000 viewers in YouTube like that's insane
that's incredible so I think each time it it it evolves and
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you have to be really really aware and you have to be really
really you know learning from it so you can profit from a a similar
situation in the years to come I think what I've picked up from
you which I think is really important is uh you seem to have this
insatiable appetite and this humbleness to learn from everyone at
all times and pick the best people at a certain thing and just learn
it from them and then you're using that to fit your personality
into a full rounded rounded rounded Trader and you're becoming
like this genius Trader because you're taking the best of best
of best of everyone I think I'm way behind
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of of of what a really really outstanding Trader will be but
I just make it my own and and I think if you guys are going to to
start trading or you you're here um you cannot lose the
appetite of learning because every single time you will have
different opportunities and there um different ways to profit from
the markets so if you're not learning you're missing out
and if you're not profiting from because of course you have the
same patterns over and over again of course but the way they they
they create they create they create and the way you can profit from
it like for example at first I was only a long biased
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Traer then I started shorting and I was all into shorting you
know because it makes so much sense to short all those things but
now that everybody everybody's into shorting and shorting got
overcrowded like I got to this I got to the to the inside that just
go long when it goes up and just go down when it goes down
that's it you know it sounds so stupid but it's so like we
are so contraint Contra inuitive that we always want to go short
when it's ramping up and go long when it's ramping down
you know it's it's so much easier to understand the face
that is that that that that stock is into and
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just go with it and just dance dance with it not fight it
just dance with it and in a way you will of course uh when
you're a contrarian Trader of course you will get those
incredible moves of course but I just like to have that 10% a day on
on my little little little position I I don't aim for 100
thousands a day like I just with between $1,000 and $6,000 I'm
more than fine with my trading and I'm just happy with it you
know of course I'm I'm trying to uh every setup that I
that I can milk and that I can take liquidity in order to be bigger
like I'm learning how
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to do it of course we I've always been you know that
appetite of being better of course I'm really competitive so
that helps a lot but it's also being really comfortable of of
what you're doing it's also of course you will see a guy
that is making $100,000 like Lucas I was in Italy with him and he
made a million bucks in my face you know with with his self on his
hand you know and I was like okay I made Seven Grand which is a
really good day for me but dude like I'm failure besides you
you know you get that and it especially when you have social media
that social media gives this
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Spotlight to this incredible people that you know make this
perfect top Tech and perfect bottom Tech it's just so for me
it's just so it's so much easier to you know in in a in a
25 or 30% move get that 7% and you're out and that's it
you know and and it can be up or it can be down whatever obviously
you have to get the big picture in order to to uh to maximize it but
I think it's it's a matter of personality I what were
saying how did you get that personality to have all of these arrows
on your charts CU your charts are like no one's charts
I've ever seen before
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it's just a uh it's a way for me to keep my my risk
management on check uh as I I've never been this meticulous guy
I've never been this you know if if this happens I will do this
I have an area which I'll go like okay the unbalance and the
supply will be in this area so I'm going to short out of it you
know whenever it gets to this area and I don't care maybe that
area has a range of 10% so I will whatever it goes up to that area I
will short and if I get my risk management into trouble I just get
out from a part of it so I
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can have that room to add more on the way up so and
that's whenever I'm on the back side of course because as
I was telling you if if you have a a downtrend it will be better to
short if you have an uptrend better too long but if you have the big
picture is in the downtrend and you have those pops for example
today mlgo which was a an amazing setup like I love that setup so
much because you have this crazy overhead resistance and you have
this perfect downtrend whenever it pops a little bit you're
going to short so like it's so intuitive that the whole um
Supply will be on on on
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un balance that it will be really hard for the price to go up
if if you don't have enough volume and having volume is not
that easy you know people are like oh yeah pump the stock it's
not that easy you know especially when you have so much overhead
resistance on on on on days before so those kind of setups are like
my favorite and I do that you know crazy um triangle at first just
because I'm trying to get my my good average like really near
that top and obviously I won't get the perfect top but
I'll get like that area really nearby that top and with the
size that I'm comfortable with if
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whatever it goes and and blows you know really high I I just
lost whatever I'm comfortable to Lo to lose makes sense I mean
what would you say to a new Trader who was trying to grow an account
now do you have like a couple of bits of advice or a couple of plans
to look into or I will focus on the long side I wouldn't focus
on the short side because I think shorts are more of a cash flow
kind of kind of thing for the business for the trading business but
the growth is on the lungs like you see these crazy opportunities
every now and then that you'll go you'll be and it's
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so easy like whenever I see them it's so easy to easy to
easy to spot that um I think people that are starting and and are
focusing on growing the account should focus only on Longs and
especially because when you learn how to long really really good you
will will learn when lungs are screwed and that will make you a
really good good short seller so get that experience from the long
side for the first year I guess and then as you become really really
good long bias Trader you will see that there are a lot of
opportunities on the short side that you could take advantage of
nice are you used many indicators are
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you literally a candle man I use the vwap and sometimes I
there's some charts that I have that use uh the some Emma which
are J Traders uh Jay Lins which I love Jay we did this event in
Madrid and I always tell him bro you're a genius in marketing
because he always name his uh you know his um indicators in the
chart so I like Jay lines J swing J and he's so he's so
funny but I I use it because he taught me um a pattern that is
called the lay fade and whenever those Ms and that VW is broken like
you will know for sure that you're in the backside of of
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that day so um sometimes I use it but regularly I only use
bwap that's it last question as we're coming at the end I
just wanted to ask how has the market changed for you now compared
to let's say two years ago three years three years three years
ago do you see much years ago like nowadays is harder than 2021
because in 2021 if you learn in 2021 trading your screw um just
because it was a market that it provided so much opportunity and you
only had to hold whatever it whatever goes down it will go up again
so you just buy and close your eyes and you'll you'll
you'll be settled you know that's
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why I think a lot of people made money on the in the 2021 and
lose it all back in back in back in 2022 um so I think you on this
markets you have to be more disciplined you have to be really really
on check with your risk management because you're if
you're a short seller you're probably and you're a
NOA novice or a beginner Trader you might probably lose your account
um if if those crazy ones get you you know uh there there's
always that one that will destroy your your strike so I I think you
have to be more disciplined you have to be more aware of this crazy
this crazy this crazy
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[Music] [Music] [Music] um turnovers like you you will see a
lot of reverses in this markets um and I think it's better to
be a long on the long side uh just because it protects yourself from
from the short side and from those crazy things like I I had the the
the worst loss of 2024 for me wasn't this Chinese freaking
stock ctnt which went all the way from two to listen to this it went
from 10 to two right backside like it was destroyed liquidation play
then it bounced all the way back to 10 and then it went to 45 and
then it went to two again so like that that was my worst
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loss and loss and loss and and with those kind of move you
can blow out like even me I have I have a lot of experience on like
I'm really really jealous about my my uh risk management and
really meticulous about the risk management especially and I it was
so it was so hard because you know that that thing is going down
like you have I was so convinced and it did like it did just it just
I missed what like a 600% move like that will destroy your account
so I think U people that are starting right now uh will learn a lot
of lessons um try to start small and and this is
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I cannot stress this enough because I see so many people
trying to start with a large amount of capital and they're not
skilled enough to withdraw money from the markets they're not
they don't have the skill yet they will develop it uh with a
lot of lessons and those lessons come from experience and if if that
experience uh is pricey if that experience is expensive then you
won't be able to live it as the way it should in order to be
consistent and persistent on on on this profession so start small
like you don't have to be a hero you don't have to turn a
th000 bucks into a million in one month like that's
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that's not the way it is it's it's easier to
understand that this is a profession that will last probably 20
years of your life or 30 or 40 and the first three years you will
have to learn how to develop it and that's it you know lower
your expectations or manage them and and be sure that if you follow
the process you'll get to that results that you potentially
want right I think that's a fantastic answer and a final
question before we wrap up Ed why why do you think you win when the
vast majority of people of people of people lose um because I have
more experience people are people try to to people
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underestimate what they can do in five years but they
overestimate what they can do in three months so I I only have more
experience than than people that are starting so that's why I
can make money and they don't and and they don't let them
themselves learn just because of the expectations of making money
they want quick money they want okay I I want to press a button and
and and this thing spits on me 100 bucks or 200 bucks and
that's not the way it is like it will spit the the money
whenever you master it whenever you have the skill whenever you you
understand that the market will do whatever they want and
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you'll just there to take advantage of that move but
they will do whatever they want and and they're not there for
you um I see so many people like maybe entitled in a way just
because they studied a few courses they they they think they they
are uh above the markets and it's not that way you know so I
think um people have to get that experience people have to study a
lot to catch up with me because I've been doing this for nine
years so if you have two years or one year in I might have a little
bit more Advantage than you just because of just because I've
seen more but it's not
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because I'm smart it's not because I'm you
know uh faster than you whatever I'm just a little bit more
experienced and I think that's what people should look for
makes all sense is there any do you want to give a mention to the to
the trading room are you in a trading room are you are you running a
yeah we have we have a room in you know that I teach in Spanish we
have this room called stocks trading Club um I trade live with my
Alpha group every day and and I try to coach them in the best way
possible and yeah man I think it's really important for you
guys to to join
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a community and that resonates with you I've been all
over like I've been in every single Community there is just
because I I I understand the importance of learning and um apply
that knowledge to to to the to the markets in order to get that
experience and you will start tweaking your own thing and O of
course I want to mention Kimo that I'm a fan of it um thanks to
Kimo I've you know I can reach out to people that are above me
below me my peers peers peers whatever so I can improve my training
in a way a way a way so really props to Kimo because the Carl knows
what he's doing
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so I really appreciate you taking the time to be on the
podcast I really appreciate you being the uh Premier guest as soon
as I found out as soon as I saw you on the leaderboard I thought
he's the man he's the man that want to get to kick things
off so appreciate it I hope to God to be catching up with you in in
a few years again I hope my trading situation green on the year but
I hope I hope it's a bit more than a few hundred bucks and and
I get there in the end as well but I just wanted to say thanks so
much Edie you're an absolute uh uh
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uh tribute special person for the trading community and
you're you're one of the people that always gives back so
thank you so much thanks to everyone who's watched please leave
comments Below in the description I any comments that you want and
we're try and put them to Ed or put them in a in the next
session well guys just wait one second I just do want to remind you
all Center Point Edge offering is available to everyone we've
got the link just down below in the description check it out and
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Episode 10 of the Transparent Traders podcast, host Stephen Johnson
sits down with Tim, who has skyrocketed to success, achieving over
$1 million in profits. Tim shares his journey from being a high
school student trading on a simulator to building a profitable
trading strategy that focuses on hyper scalping. He opens up about
the challenges, lessons learned, and how he fine-tuned his approach
to hit this massive millionaire milestone.
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Tune in to hear how Tim transitioned from part-time side
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strategies that work in today’s fast-paced trading environment.
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00:00 – Introduction to Trading with Tim
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03:10 – Early Trading Journey: From Simulator to Real Trading
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29:30 – Mistakes to Avoid: Biggest Red Days in Trading
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today we well trade with Tim micro scalper people call me
hypers scalper whatever as you can see on Kimo I have a lot of
Trades who sits in 17th Place on kin 4's alltime leaderboard
with 923,50 dollars really $ Dollar welcome back everybody today we
welcome trade with Tim who sits in 17th Place on K's alltime
leaderboard with 923 th000 in verified profits as actually speaking
on early he's past the million doll Mark but he just needs to
upload a second broker so that million is not in sight that million
is achieved so well done Tim um we're going to jump into your
trading strategies industry transparency and a few tips for new
Traders I
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just want to quickly say first you can get Kino pro pro Plus
absolutely free for your first month you just need to log in to your
free account click upgrade and access uh the advanced reports and
the analytics F trades but Tim as along at reduction how are you
good man happy to be here thanks for having me on and uh it's
been a crazy year to say the least man it's been a crazy year
for you I'm uh I'm looking at your stats I thought you
some sort of Prodigy because you've you just got the one year
on there but that that I was like this this dude's just started
trading and he's a
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millionaire already whenever see tell us a little bit about
your story you've been trading a little bit earlier but
you're hitting a million this year all very early or a million
in the last 12 months it's kind of like where I finally hit my
stride in trading you know I feel like a lot of people say this but
for me I'm uh 24 right now and I started actually learning
trading when I was 16 so I didn't you know kind of was just
like on my laptop saw some Timothy s stuff kind of like got into
that and you know really slowly over time when I was in high school
and stuff kind of kept
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trading and even like my senior year high school I got late
arrival when most kids would have like uh early release I got late
arrival just so I could watch the markets and I wasn't you know
making anything I was trading Sim um and that really helped me just
kind of progress over time um and then I have you know pressure
washing business as well as an apoxy business that kind of I was
able to do through college to fund my trading as well as uh just
kind of do everything I could I I did sold Amazon FBA books and you
know all that type of entrepreneur stuff um to do affiliate
marketing um and
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finally after all that you know the last year is really where
I hit my stride I used to trade pre-market on trading station
that's what we were talking about so that's kind of what
would put me over a Millie if I can get those stats on K I tried but
I get it I think mys I think they closed my accounts I just had to
talk to them but anyways um yeah so I think I made between those two
and a half years trading pre-market like 65 70 grand which at the
time still awesome money for me plus my side businesses was able to
really do well um but I was not able to trade
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throughout the market open right so for me as a discretionary
scalper you know micros scalper people call me hypers scalper
whatever as you can see on Kimo I have a lot of Trades yeah a lot
and uh basically what I do is just uh play off of that price action
and it's a lot easier during the market open when there's
a lot more liquidity to have a lot more trades and that's kind
of what I figured out whatever I met uh Relentless Trader Mighty
stock some of you guys probably know them crispy trades MX day
trading a lot of these guys that you know I had seen in Discord I
was trading Discord for a
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while and go to meet them kind of see for myself and also I
have a week where I could trade through the market open and
that's just when everything changed so from then on I
don't even trade pre-market at all and I just trade throughout
the market open really the first two hours are my best um and yeah
we just we hit the gas and I've never looked back so man you
just put the the pedal to the metal you just uh you just put your
foot down hard on that uh on that accelerator pedal but like and and
it's obviously doing well you've got a very uh a very nice
creative background light there
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so that's you're like living the dream dudes like
24 years old stuck it to the man don't need to have a
you'll never have a boss in your life ever probably that was
that was a goal a long time ago so so so I guess the main question
is everyone else wants to stick at other man and not have a boss so
like what changed where you were trading premarket to like You'
just hit like a million dollar in 12 months $920,000 in 12 months is
like what did you do differently like pass those lessons on as much
as you can sure yeah so a lot of it came down to really well only
use
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limit orders and you can really get stuck sometimes where the
bids will just drop on you crazy on premarket and you can just get
killed especially on some of them that have those big spreads so it
just always had me kind of scared and I never felt like my risk was
very tight and I you were talking about like how was I able to do
this without having big draw downs and a lot of that comes down to
on most of my trading and pretty much every trade I have now
it's a little bit getting a little more risky on very tight and
with Market orders and a broker where you know you can trade
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as many times as you want I mean TD Mar trade is where I
really started and now Schwab bought them out but it's the same
thing it's just me basically trying to push as much size as I
can with how the liquidity is make sure that I'm not getting a
bunch of slippage but I'm a dip Trader so and I figured that
out as well it's kind of like as I was able to take so many
trades as you can see it's almost like I tell it's like
reps in the gym right I'm I'm a big gym guy shout out the
strong Trader a couple of these other guys I've met um and
lifting and
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trading there's a lot that goes hand inand so like as
you do something more you get better and you kind of see these
little things you can improve on and that's kind of what really
helped me a lot I was able to trade in a week I think I was doing
like 2,000 orders every week which was the limit at TDM trade at
that time um and by doing that learning on every trade being able to
refine that edge and being able to really see where am I making that
money and for me it's a lot of those dip trades not many
breakout trades are buying at the top of the range I like getting
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in either on that like first pullback or on those micro
pullbacks kind of in that that parabolic squeeze so which
Mark's been a little slower but this February is kind of where
I was able to really refine that edge a lot more and we saw Holo and
BMR and a couple of these like ridiculous parabolic movers so like
if if you had like a strategy in mind is I'm guessing like
you're talking about kind of short squeezes are are you
literally looking for shorts to be basically kind of [ __ ] when it
squeezes out of control and then are you buying the dips and
following the momentum up is it is it like that or do
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you have a different strategy or yeah it's I mean
there's a lot of Def lot of strategies within it I mean
I'm talking about like buying double bottoms triple bottoms
buying like flat top breakouts you know five minute setups like all
those type of like setups as well as a lot of that discretionary
side which is just me seeing price action me seeing that okay this
level may be soaking which basically like I can see that
there's a lot of support there I can see that every time it
comes out of this level there are buyers that keep stepping up
I'll take along and then see if we can get that pop kind of as
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you can see because a lot of times there's hidden buyers
or hidden sellers sometimes they'll pop up but a lot of times
it's just like I know some people use book map to kind of see
where those are over time since I just have so much screen time and
a lot of my buddies we just were able to kind of see where you know
that that support zone is or where there's a lot of overhead
Supply as well where something's kind of keeps trying to break
out to this level it can't break it I'll ease off wait for
that flush and those are my best trades I love those big bottoming
Wicks I try to
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get in as low as I can and my whole times you know
that's one thing I'm working on but I usually just take 10
20 cents you know sometimes depending on like the price in the stock
it could be more than that but I'm just taking the meat of the
move taking a a very small portion sometimes but you're never
going to go bro taking profit I always say that so n 100% but like
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I was thinking about is the
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doing this podcast interviewing like the top 10 Traders is
the most unbelievable thing that I saw it's like so commission
fre trading had this this boom right commission three there's a
boom in the last five or six years this boom has brought a lot a big
amount of hypers scalpers like you right but what what I have
discovered doing this podcast in if anyone's watched the last
10 episodes before you of all of the people in the top top top 20
you guys are all hyper scalers the hyper scalers are dominating Kino
which means there's a bigger Trend outside of Kino as well
where H scalers dominating the market it is once scalin was laughed
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at and made fun of and it it was a joke but like the proof is
coming like you guys are an army of people taking over and and I
don't know where it's come from but I mean do you have any
thoughts on that otherwise I've got another question for you
yeah yeah no I mean I can go back to kind of I kind of skipped over
this I didn't I want to be kind of brief but back when I um
started trading I traded with F1 trade sure Trader um even CM
I've been I've been through through pretty much everything
and at those Brokers had commissions that were on every trade you
know in
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and out it would be like $7 in $7 out I mean to make money
trading a thousand shares you had to make two cents just to pay the
commission and then trying to make money on top of that like I
remember looking at all my stats and being like if I took out these
commissions like I was actually making money so whenever 2020 hit
and free commissions came in thankfully by that point I had enough
money to get over PDT once I got over PDT I was like wow okay you
know there's without the commissions I mean you know you you
can make a couple cents here there and then I mean they did up
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the SEC and Fender fees now but it's still doable so
definitely a lot of people when I tell them like what I do they
think of course like I'm holding companies or whatever it is
and I'm like I'm I just buy and sell these these quick
price movements and you know I know it just it's hard to Fathom
but yeah I would say definitely it's taken taking over hugely
and it's just because you can keep that wrist so tight
it's it's tough and not even just the wrist so tight you
have so many reps so it's easier to get kind of better at what
your style is and where you feel more comfortable some people
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love buying high and chasing those like those moves for me I
just I can't do it I'm I'm more of a I'm G try
to buy that soak Zone and wait for it to go yeah it's like
Warrior trading right I see a lot of warrior trading stuff is like
ah buy the next candle to make a new high and stuff like that but it
it just seems a little bit scary for me especially when the stocks
that you're buying are absolutely crap but but like in terms of
the risk management like what what the hell are you doing are you
like meditating for an hour every day beforehand to like not like
what are
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you doing to like not not mess up sure so really what it
comes down to um it discipline in trading is huge I mean that's
kind of why I like behind me it's like half of trading is like
the patterns and the charts and the other half's the mental and
hly be more than that I think it might be 70% mental now that
I'm getting more into it in terms of like once you really start
making money and you've got a lot of money on the line
that's where you can just you know you don't follow your
chart patterns as as well and you know that type of stuff um but to
get back on
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what you were saying um I don't know why it's I
can't remember it say one more time for me real quick no no
it's SC I I didn't even click that that was 50%
that's May being an idiot I didn't even click that
that's 50% metal 50% chart it makes false sense but I was
thinking like what what are you doing like the mental aspect to
control your trading or like what what's the technique do you
have it like I'm holding for three seconds and I'm out oh
with my dip trading that's why I love like buying the dips
because when I'm buying so extended it's hard to have that
proper risk it can drop
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so quickly but I like to buy especially like big flushes dips
off of support zones to where when I'm getting in I know that
my risk is most of the time within 5 cents maybe 10 cents depending
on you know if it's a higher price stock okay it might be 20 30
cents but it's always going to be relative to how much I think
it's going to pop off of that level you know at least like
three to one profit to loss so and and I could see on the tape as
like a price action Trader on the level two I can see okay time and
sales a lot of people are selling here I
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can see the bids thinning type of stuff like that where I can
get out sometimes flat for not a loss and then it'll drop and
I'll get back in and then it's kind of like I'm able
to people call it recycling shares that's kind of that's
that's very much kind of what I do as well yeah I think it
could t for people to learn that is just to uh record your screen
and then go back and and watch the records of your screen of
thinking okay there was just a big drop there look at let's
look at the level two for the one minute before the big drop and
let's see what happened and
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then if it happens again you know the same thing's going
to happen so it's just a good tip right yeah and I tell people
it's like you got to treat it like I mean we're
professional athletes like esport athletes and what do like the pros
do they watch film they watch film all the time so if you're
not watching film you know how are you really going to get better
especially when a lot of us are trading especially me like I'm
it's so quick that I'm going to forget a lot of those
trades and a lot of what happened it's not like I'm just
taking five trades that okay I can remember all of that
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but I have to go back to rewatch and that's 100% how you
get better man and this scalping thing that you're doing and
what the other people like out of the top 20 of K4 like more than 10
of them are hypers scalers so I don't want I don't want
you to give your Edge away but for someone that wants to get into
hypers scalp and trading you have like one pattern that you can
share or what one pattern that you like where on you can describe
like the big picture setup and then the the micro entry yeah yeah I
I tell this one all the time and I think it's like one of my
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favorite setups and on these setups there's so much
volume and that's why I love trading is that like you know for
the most part yes it's getting like crowded certain areas but
when it comes to scalping it's so discretionary that it's
like you know I don't know there's never going to be like
some of these system Traders there's so many people that are
taking the exact same trade but when it's discretionary
it's a little bit different so but I would say my favorite
setup it's buying Under whole dollars and half dollars really
whole dollars are like going to be the best bet so let's say
you have a setup it came broke over the whole
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dollar maybe up to like let's say $730 and it's
like kind of turning holding High though and like testing maybe 710s
comes down near seven I like to wait for the dip under some people
will buy like right off a seven and sometimes that can completely be
fine sometimes it will not break below but the best setups for me
are when it does break below you get like a 690 wash maybe 685
sometimes it'll even go further try to take a dip you know
usually I'm very quick so I can get depending on the spread I
can get near the lows and then you just gotta wait for the break
back over seven if that
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doesn't happen pretty quickly I'm just going to cut
it see if it's going to go lower and if it does then maybe I I
kind of wait for that next whole or that next half dollar level um
but most of the time I'm going to scalp around that range to
try to see if if the overall trend is actually breaking or not so
that's a lot of what scalping especially as a I'm 100%
long Trader so I definitely need to make sure that I'm seeing
either really good dips being bought up on the backside or just
I'm going to trade strictly like front side dips because
that's going to be like odds of me winning
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are much much higher and while you look for 3 to one four to
one two to one 3 to one four to one on your money it really just
depends I mean there are trades where I will just take a couple like
maybe I'll always look for probably three to one yeah but it
just depends on what I'm seeing on the tape and and that more
often than not nowadays I'm trying to kind of stop and trade
more bigger picture with bigger size just because I'm seeing
now that you know a lot of my money in the day is coming from like
three or four trades so if I can really hone in on those
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a little bit more and kind of not have so much noise then I
think it'll make it to where I can make a lot more and it be a
little less stressful yeah no makes sense and I I I the type of are
you the type of guy that likes to support his own trades and and
smack smack the offer smack the market order and smack the offer and
support us when you get in in are you hitting limits oh always
markets for me you're supporting your you're supporting
your offer and helping take the bit out help helping to take the ask
out yeah I don't I used to trade only limit orders but even
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in the market open I would trade only limit orders but for me
the speed and in terms of like where I know I'm going to get
filled roughly I I can have that risk management in my head almost
immediately but on limit orders and stuff and I can miss a trade
that could be huge because of a limit order that happens I
don't want to even risk that so that's just uh yeah 100%
Market orders for me now makes sense so so you've got a stock
it's broke above seven it's holding the seven Lane
it's dipping under you're then watching the level two
you're looking for that switching the balance of power
you're hitting the
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market and that's your trade looking for the two to one
3 to1 whatever you can get doesn't work straight away straight
away straight away out yeah I mean I'm I'm giving it on
those trades since I know that's kind of like my one of my
bread and butter trades I would give it a little bit more time
because there's times where it'll kind of hold a little
bit under that and then if you can give it a little more time
you'll get that pop straight to 710 a lot of times though I
will just sell on that retest to seven see where it's going to
come back down if it comes back down and gives
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me another entry then I'm going to get back in and look
for it to break but if I see like a big bidder then I'll hold
it a little longer or maybe I don't know like a huge amount of
of buying to where it's like really coming up quickly then
I'll try to hold it like it immediately snaps right back
through 7 710 then I'll give it a second maybe seven for it to
hold and then you see that that squeeze up to 720 730 which is
really like a big bear TR yeah no makes so like last question on
this and then we'll go on to the the next section on
transparency but yeah
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like how how did you I mean first of all just with the
pattern it's just the chart you know looking at the news are
you looking at the fundamentals are you looking at this big bigger
picture anything like that little you taking into account or um I
definitely got to attest to Ross Cameron Warrior trading that's
kind of where I figured out where the momentum is and it's in
those you know stocks with the low float High relative volume some
sort of breaking news I don't exactly look at what the news is
as much because I'm not holding it for longer in the day um and
then some people look at a lot more of
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the dilution just so you kind of have that as a reference I
don't look at that as much as I probably should um but I kind
of strictly trade the chart and the level two so I would say 70%
level two I'm looking over the chart to see what's set up
you know is this a very extended dip or is this up really High you
know kind of where's my risk and then I'm going to adjust
my size depending on that right so on a setup like I was saying that
break below seven I'm going to try to take more size on that um
than I would a trade that's like a half dollar break
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below because it just for me they don't seem to work out
as much and over time kind of in my mental I've got kind of the
almost like the odds of every setup roughly speaking um but yeah it
always comes down to below $20 usually I don't like trading the
pennies as much um but my bread and butter is probably $3 to $10 and
I'm trading as much size as I can nowadays without really like
with a market order right you can get slipped up pretty high SI so
you can kind of over time you see how much you can get in how much
you can't um and I'm trying to now on those better
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setups just take you know two clicks um of my full size entry
to where I'm like okay I'm in now like the size that I
should be for that a quality setup and you mentioned you took a
pretty it's not all glory right yeah you've made like a
million bucks in a year you're 24 you've got no boss
you're literally living the dream right but it's not
always great every day like so what's the crack you had a red
day what was the what happened there what went wrong yes so I was
actually at the beach uh last week first day I'm there and in
two hours I'm I lost 6,000 so my biggest red
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day ever before that was 6200 or something so it's my
second biggest red day ever and what what it comes down to is when
actively scalping stalks there's certain times where I can
immediately feel that that it's like you know it's like I
always say it's like basically like when you're putting
your fingers on like a chalkboard that feeling that you get
it's like it should not be that hard it should not feel like
that to try to make money out of this stock when normally it's
it's it's relatively easy for me to at least get some
profit out of out of the stock by scalping it so once I feel that
and see that
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then I need to just ease off but there are days like
everybody we get emotional were like I need to make this amount of
money today or I think there were two trades that I took that I
messed up on execution wise and that's a trigger for me um they
were really good trades I missed them and then what I end up doing
is then I chase it higher and I get crushed and that was a day where
I got I think I lost a dollar a share on one trade and lost like two
grand in one trade which for me is a big outlier loss where most of
my losses are couple hundred bucks
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you know or I try to keep my rist pretty tight but on that
day we're trading in stocks that are bigger spreads and if
you're not getting in at the the perfect kind of spot on the
dip I you know you can really lose a Lot quickly and then it's
going to be a spiral right so what I try to do to nip that in the
bud is you know for me my Max loss is usually around that 6K Mark um
but but it kind of depends now with how much size I'm pushing
it's more of a mental Max loss and that was for sure pass my
mental Max loss that day so it's better
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for me to come back the next day fresh I'll go get a
workout go to the gym and look at my overall kind of p&l and
stuff to make me feel better right like you're appreciate all
the all the love man but there are days like every Trader you know
no matter how much you made if you lose for like a week straight
which kind of the the first of August I think I have four red days
in one week which I haven't had that in in like a year and I
fell down I really did I mean I down made 5K overall but I I was
feeling awful I didn't even really want to
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like go out and do much stuff but that's another one of
those things that you got to work on right is like distancing
yourself a little bit more from you know because we're all to
be the best Trad you gotta be hard on yourself right I'm sure
you are just like a lot of us right we want to be like
perfectionists um but it's good to kind of put the two aside
and not let it ruin your day because it's not worth ruining
your day when you know you know you're still in the game you
live to trade another day why are you letting it affect like your
outside life so yeah know it's h
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I completely understand what you're saying though I mean
but it's trading's tough and like even the best Traders go
through struggles and yeah like you made crazy amounts of money
You' had one of the best years I've seen if people onkin
for like a million and 12 months is crazy just about and then but
like but then you'll still feel like total [ __ ] and like
I'll remember when I was trading more in 2020 and I was like up
15 grand and I was having me first 15K a month ever and then I lost
like two and a half Grand on a trade and I remember like getting in
me car cuz I needed to leave
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the house and just punching the stearing wheel and then like
I bought an Apple watch and I was just thinking I'm buying an
Apple Watch and and and like I I just felt like disgusted just felt
disgusted like this Apple watch is $1,000 then I just lost $2 and a
half thousand like I the the almost the same value and I just felt
sick physically sick but the other thing that I'd say is what I
noticed cuz like I I got up over $100,000 in my trade and took a
massive 35,000 loss me patent stopped working and then like I just
dwindled for the last like year or so not not not having the same
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dedication not having the same motivation now I'm like
lost about half of what I made i' probably got about 50k 45k
50k up but the point is I've interviewed some people on here
who who got up 100 200 lost everything and then went to zero or
under and and then made a million so the point is that like
you've just got to stay in the game like got to just keep going
do you know what I mean and I need to keep going I need to keep to
keep to keep pushing especially if it clicks yeah it I mean what it
what it really comes down to I think is like a lot of people
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try to switch up so quickly as immediately when something
stops working but it it's so like personal dependent right so
depending on your strategy and like the type of Market that
you're in certain setups won't work and that's kind
of why like being systematic compared to being like discretionary
trading wise I like being discretionary just because pretty much in
any Market environment with the amount of Trades and kind of like
setups that I do see I can see like what working what's not
working and kind of start like pushing more into what is working
rather than what's not um while also keeping that rist very
tight so like my biggest loss I made a million
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my biggest draw down ever is like 7,500 or I think I think I
think 8,000 which for me at the time felt horrible but when I look
at a big picture I'm like wow that is that is really really
good I just need to let myself open up to having those bigger losses
but also having the bigger winners because I'm I've C
myself on my winners and my losers which you know at the point that
I'm at it's like hard to complain making a couple thousand
bucks a day I never will um but you got to progress like in whatever
you're doing so it's just and that's what's nice
about trading is that as you
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progress mentally and like you know just whatever
systematically with your setups you can make more money that's
kind of like the the beauty of it you know sometimes you can work
harder and you don't get anything for it but in trading which
yeah in trading you can work really hard and get nothing for years
and years but the harder you work it's kind of like it all
builds up there's that you know picture where it's like
the dude about to strike diamonds or gold and he's this close
right and if you stop before you get there you never know it's
going to be on the other side so but it's the toughest thing it
is
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it is and I'm I'm grateful and blessed every day to
be able to do what I do now and and I think the main thing I'll
say this again is it's beautiful that you're doing this
and seeing how the people trade in their mindsets once I found other
Traders and got involved in like a chat room with a lot of
like-minded individuals it was over from there I mean not only am I
seeing like what the potential is because they're posting how
much they're making and I'm out there at work in the hot
sun like man one day I'd love to make that um and now being
able to do that it's just and and
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then posting my stuff and other people having that type of
fire it's lighting them you know a fire under the them to to
work harder and know that that that is possible mainly and maybe as
well so it's awesome no it's true but at the same time
like 95% lose right so like what what separates you from the guys
that that that lose well I'd say one thing and you know I may
get some hate for this or not really I i' cut out all video
games like I don't play anything and I told myself until I
became like a profitable Trader I just I can't spend time like
that like especially with me being
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in school and having my other businesses like I didn't
have that much time like free time to begin with now covid I had a
lot more free time um and I spent that study and trading but yeah
it's just being relentless like I would when I was out doing
stuff and it was almost to a bad like an unhealthy point where I
would be out with my girlfriend or out doing stuff with friends and
in the back of my mind I'm thinking should I be studying right
now like should I over charts and stuff and it it was bad for sure
to like always think like that but it would force me to do that
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and not hang out with those people and not go out and do that
and just do you know what I need to do study my my trades again or
look on YouTube for somebody else that may be posting their live
trades or something to where I can maybe find that light bul moment
and finally found that kind of through a whole lot of uh trial and
error over it's my seventh year seventh year seventh year
trading I kind of say like four years of actively trading but trying
to learn that's a year seven for me and you know for some
people it may take longer than that to make kind of good money it
just
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that's why it's so tough um this trading game it
really is so trying to figure it out and then trying to keep that
edge that's something that I even after one week right like
I'll be like man I don't are my setups still working do I
know how to make money so so St yeah but um we'll go to a fun
segment I've tried this with anyone before but I'm going
to try it with you it's a furus versus fats got a few questions
to separate the furus from the real people the the people who tell
the truth so for you to help new Traders how would you say that you
separate the real deal
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Traders like you from the these snake oil sales people who
are in the market and when when know who a coup of them all yeah
yeah well I think a lot of it comes down to and this is what I would
do is you got to get kind of a a whole view of that person
don't just watch one thing like go into and see like what all
they posted have they ever posted like actual profit do they are
they verified anywhere does it look like kind of more of a flashy
type of thing where they've just got cars and all this and oh
you only need to make one trade a week or something
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where it's like oh I trade I turned you know a lot of
this Forex stuff is like oh I turned $100 into whatever but
it's just like you can tell pretty easily in my opinion but
I've looked at it so often it's like okay is this
realistic can I really is it can I make one trade a week and
actually be able to learn a strategy so like having only an
opportunity like that or there's kids that will never post an
actual there's on their phone they'll just show you a
p&l but how do you know if that's verified right do you
ever see them taking the trade a lot of these guys don't even
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post their trades it's just like um hindsight Traders
you see that on Twitter a lot yeah that post the chart and like this
is where the best setup was and it's like okay but where are
your entries and exits for that so and they're not there which
I know there's guys that are real that do that but there's
some guys don't so I'd say that's kind of what I like
to do um but you you've always got it in the back of your mind
be like okay you know kind of be like is this real and there are
guys where you can you can really see that that's just not the
case and if you
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spend a lot of time learning from them it's only going
to take you longer to unlearn that stuff before you can learn what
you should be n 100% And like that's why k for was good because
like yeah it it separates the good Traders and the verified ones
because honestly race if you went onkin for and you told me
you'd made a million dollars this year and you're 24 year
old sitting in your roomes and and you're saying I'm doing
a few bits of mentoring here and there I would say seems like a
really nice guy very genuine very honest but I don't know 100%
if he's made a million dollars like I don't know
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but like it's undisputable because it's verified
and it's like a lot of kids just like you are getting
credibility that I don't think you would get and that's
important No One Believes it yeah well then this the thing right is
like for me if I'm posting and you know people that are real
verified Traders unless they have like a marketing team it's
not going to look super clean and be like super grabby the reason
why they get all these people and like people think that that way is
because they're so good at the marketing like they don't
know how to trade but they know how to Market those guys are really
good at freaking marketing
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and making you believe that lifestyle that they're
renting everything anyways for it's like yeah it's tough
because the real guys like me like we're not putting a lot of
time into that we're putting it into trading so it's like
you're not going to get those viral videos for the most part
because people like to see that like even though they're in the
back of their mind they're like yeah proba a scam but look at
it right like right he's got Lords of followers it must be
legit because look how many followers he's gone and
everyone's commenting great things but it's like these
people have managed to build a positive force and a positive energy
and
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everyone's replicating it and you don't find out
till you don't find out that a lot of it's not true until
it's too late one cuz you need to you need to put five years in
right so that's five years of someone supporting you and then
by the sixth they're like all right I'm deleting deleting
me trade an account on Twitter and that's the end yeah and for
them they're like oh trading's all snake oil salesman and
you can never be a winning Trader and it's like that's
what's so tough right it's like going to the wrong college
or something or getting the wrong degree getting the wrong degree
for what you really kind of should
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be doing you know but but that's also what's tough
is you'll have guys that'll trade from stocks to options
or to Forex or to whatever and for me I was I'm so grateful
that I didn't that I just start to for seven years just stocks
just stocks and just low float stocks just momentum stocks like once
I found that and I was like wow okay a stock went from a dollar to
10 that's crazy I gotta learn like there's some money to
be made there and I didn't make money for a long time and I
didn't even want to tell people about it because I just lost
money but if I would have switched to
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Forex at that point and had to rearn and all that stuff it
It's just tough right but to each person like maybe that is the
switch they need to do so for me I can't really tell you what
to do right it's just you kind of no you got to have faith in
in whatever you're doing so would you say that there's a
um a main furu flag like a main thing that you like furu you know
what I mean what's the main main top one for you like that
[ __ ] a furu uh I mean usually it's on the phone flipping
around x amount of profit with like there's no like like sense
it's just
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like oh I made 25k and it's just like he's never
shown anything other than how much he's made and in that video
there's some sports car or some sort of like see the lambo
right everyone's like Lambo whatever like yeah 99% of the guys
with those Lambos and and whatever they're renting him for that
video and maybe they did make that money one day sure but it's
like you know it just it's tough because people don't want
to do stocks because you have to have so much money like the barrier
entry so tough so they end up believing these 4X guys because they
just they're like well I'm never going to be able to save
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up for 25 Grand and it just it's tough right it really
is so they're selling him a a dream that's just like
that's I think that's like winning the lottery being a$ to
a million or whatever in Forex but I don't know but the
lambo's not cool anymore like a Lambo 10 years ago was like
good marketing now I think a Lambo now is a kind of a slight bit of
a furu flag like people are like another Lambo person do you know
what I mean it's not it's changed right the lambo's
not cool anymore yeah like the affiliate marketing guys and all
those guys they all have them yeah so but the lambo has
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been it's been saturated right it's been overdone
and it's not cool anymore like the lambo isn't cool
anymore it's weird go get a McLaren or something I guess yeah
but um I mean for you you what what motivated you personally to be
on uh on Kino and and like how how much transparency is too much
transparency have you thought about is that's a good question I
mean the only reason I'm on Kimo personally is because for me
and I you know I'm never going to sell something because I do
have you know I'm part of my shirt it's mercus marcet
University you know I didn't create the course but I'm a
mentor and I also
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have like my archives so I have basically live commentary as
well as like my trading that I do sell for for people that want that
or if they buy the whole course you know you can get some of those
archives in that I don't want to do that unless I'm
transparent with people right it's like it makes me feel bad
and once I saw Kimo whenever I was at Traders for cause last year
they gave us a free subscription and I was like yeah let me let me
use this and the more that I did I was like yeah this is this is
exactly what has been needed in terms of like I can show
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you that this is verified profit and yeah you can say oh but
maybe you have another broker that you lost 900 Grand on and
it's like okay that's pretty difficult to do the way like
I'm going to take all losses in this one I'm going to take
all in this one it's it's impossible okay you know at that
point like just you can watch my trading and it's another thing
that like I'm transparent on Kimo with that and I make compared
to n like I made a very very small fraction not even 10% prob not
even 5% of my profits overall in my life from like selling that
subscription so more of it is as
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a teacher it's kind of like reviewing film I'm
doing it by myself but if other people are asking me questions about
that film and about what I'm doing it's like me just doing
it again and kind of having to describe what I'm doing which in
turn makes me better at it so it's kind of like a win-win for
me yeah um but in terms of being too being too being too transparent
yeah I don't know I mean as a discretionary Trader I think
that's where I kind of always go back to like yeah I post all
my trades and you could try to reverse engineer and whatnot but as a
discretionary Trader I'm always kind
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of changing kind of what I'm doing compared to or like
for what the market is as well as like overarching I'm trying
to trade less and trade just those bigger picture setups where
there's enough volume and liquidity to go around for a lot of
people it's not like we're in competition and that's
another beauty of of trading I don't mind sharing my my stuff
because I don't feel like it's going to be like taken from
me I have enough faith in myself and like my worth ethic to where
like yeah maybe tomorrow it stops working but I be able to figure
out some other way to make it happen right so very nice and I'm
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just going to close out I think we're coming to the uh
the final part yeah give some fantastic answers though um I just
want to close out with a few few questions for beginners so the
first one is what are the first steps every new Trader should take
to master risk management that's a good one yeah I would say um
mastering risk management starts with that small size too cuz you
you can't master risk when you're doing too much size and
then that emotional side of things comes into play and you're
like you know you can't even really trade the setup the right
way so for sure make sure your sizing is proper because if
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you're oversizing you're not going to be able to
really properly manage your risk um and for me I'mma cut losses
quickly I'm never really adding on a loser ever so that's
a risk management technique that I use I'm just never adding to
a loser I'd rather just cut it and get in lower um and also I
kind of have a rule where if a stock is is really dropping hard and
I've lost like five five in a row that's kind of another
thing where I'll either really reduce size or stop being so
active and kind of wait kind of switch up my like the way that
I'm trading so the to each person's different depending
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on what strategy they're trying to take but it
definitely you need to be looking for you know depend 3 to one 5 to
one I think two to one it can be okay depending on what trading but
you want to have that outsize reward with the tighter risk because
it's less stressful those are the best trades for me I get in
I'm in it I call it the driver seat position I feel like
I'm in the driver's seat and I let that trade work but
when I'm you know for me when I'm buying super high on a
chart that's extended I'm in there and I'm
immediately scared that this thing's going to drop on me
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and to really have P risk in that situation when stocks will
drop a dollar. 50 cents or whatever and then I'm Market order
right so even if I sell I could still get slipped down pretty far
yeah yeah especially so it's you know it's kind of like
you have to have risk management compared to what your strategy is
and for me it's cutting losers super super quickly on almost
alline trading unless it with a quality setups so you got to be very
you know there's no there's no like set thing and I try to
not have those set things in my trading other than not adding on
losers and not like you know going past
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my Max lost and and that type of stuff where you got to live
to trade another day you don't want to blow yourself out in one
trading day for like a months worth of profit which it's easy
to do that you you know to say no but in Tims uh the next question
was resources for people getting started but I guess if people want
to trade with Tim or trade like Tim you you've already
mentioned the resources you've already said the room I'll
put the link in the description of the podcast and I'll tag in
as well so anyone who wants to learn more about your service or the
service of the room that you're
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in with the way of helping your buddies I'll I'll
put that link and just drop me it on email at the end is there
anything else you recommend um for sure like YouTube I when I first
started there was not many people on YouTube that showed like how
they were actually trading I mean there's a lot of free
resources out there I mean Relentless Trader streams every morning
on YouTube for free his trading there the trading fer does that too
I me there's guys out there as well as like me um Mighty stalk
Trader and there's guys that will post YouTube videos like I
have some where you can watch a whole day of trading
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of mine and you've got I don't know I think
there's 200 videos or something where you can see me go from
making a $100 a day to thousands of dollars a day and kind of the
thought process that change from that to then so if you don't
have the money and you know don't don't feel bad
there's so many free resources out there now on YouTube um and
and I can attest for these guys being transparent all of them that I
just mentioned I can attest for them being transparent for sure
Mighty St and went with Trader because I know them personally and
I've met them personally and I attest a lot of My Success
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to meeting them in the chat room and the other people that
kind of are around them just because man when you're around a
bunch of guys that want it like that it's hard to not always
like you know have a fire up under you like oh they're beating
me every day like I'm trying to get to that point and then
there's another guy that's way better than me that I can
see okay I could get to him too so you know the networking from from
Twitter and from YouTube um and just you know being active in
communities is huge for sure huge yeah we just had the trade in F
mod yeah I really liked
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him he's a he's a pretty raw guy he's raw guy
he tells the truth he's snow ballshit he says what's on
his mind I like I liked him a lot yeah um just to uh close out do
you have one final piece of advice one Golden Nugget and then
we'll close out just for the a final message from the
today's sponsor um I mean I got to always say for me it's
a I say never give up but you also have to be realistic so have
something on the side try to schedule your career around trading
because you do not have to just do trading you can definitely make
money you know working a job
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where you go in a little bit later because for me and for a
lot of traders that I know all you need is an hour two hours and
there's guys that'll work their jobs from home and still
do that so I it's like kind of long- winded but never give up
if you really want to do trading just you can't give up and you
always got to try to refine um yeah it's it's like bowling
a perfect game I bowl a lot and you have to keep switching up your
throw to get that perfect ball to get a strike and depending on like
how the oil is on the lane and all that type of
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stuff it's just it's just little little things that
you switch up until you're like oh that's that's
that's it all right but then say say if you've done like
10 straight years and you've never had a green years the time
to [ __ ] time to rap it or it's cuz it's not for everyone
or would you just say keep going you'll get it if you're
working hard every single day and you're networking every
single day and you're watching every single day it should come
you should see improv I I really think it should if that's if
that's like where your main focus is and if you're really
like truly when you are studying I know there
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are people that'll study but then maybe they're
watching something inside not full locked in it's the same
thing with school like I would do that when I was trying to study
the test cuz I didn't care about it that much you if you
don't have a passion for it I'll say that if you
don't have a passion for it like a true passion to where like
you're having dreams about freaking charts yeah uh yeah it may
it may not be for you because yeah 95% of people lose and if
you're not obsessed yeah it's hard to be in that in that
in that 5% now that makes sense we'll close on that thank you
so
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much for your time really appreciate you coming on here
fantastic to have someone in the top end of the leaderboard making
so much money give give the perspective and advice uh and we'll
close out with this message well guys just wait one second I just do
want to remind you all the center point Edge offering is available
to everyone we've got the link just down below in the
description check it out and thanks for watching
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this episode of Kinfo's Transparent Traders Podcast, Stephen
Johnson chats with the inspirational Humbled Trader about her
incredible journey transitioning to swing trading, balancing her
trading career with personal life. Humbled Trader shares insights on
making $280K in verified profits this year, the emotional highs and
lows of trading, and the importance of finding purpose beyond money.
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today we welcome humbled Traer who fairly recently verified
on Kimo I bet you she'll never been on Kimo she doesn't
know how to trade I have no problem with the Pumpers it just makes
trading more fun the most profitable traders who make the most money
they're not necessarily going to be the best teachers so
that's why I'm so big about um swing trading large caps
because I think no those tend to be welcome back everybody today we
welcome humbled Traer who fairly recently verified on kall I see
currently on a a 30 Kish month almost 300K on the year today
we're going to talk about her trading this year a decision
decision to join kall
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and a little about a brand new scanner stock start iio that
is recently uh co-founded but first Fe a Trader absolute pleasure uh
how are you I'm good thanks for having me Stephen I'm
excited but also a little bit nervous you is isn't possible for
you to be nervous how can you possibly be nervous I I was losing
sleep over this last night thinking I'm might ask right
questions I'm going say the wrong question I'm gonna but
you've interviewed so many people no yeah but like I'm
I'm an introvert um at heart so every time have to speak in
front of people and I know a lot of people will be watching this
podcast I
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get nervous ah don't worry it's h it's you and
me both but uh yeah here we are live so look the first question is
look you've been trading for a decade m couple of years longer
than me as well you're now talking about transitioning into
swing trading which is uh which is a crazy move it's a
it's a big it's a big change uh what is inspiring this
change change change now I think a big part of this transition is
also at first was really inspired um by not this year but last
year's Traders for cost conference when went um there was this
swing Trader this um n figure 10 figure 10 figure swing Trader
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um uh K Magi and he really talked about um how with swing
trading you're maximizing your profit but with day trading
you're really only capturing the move of the stock in one
single day so that really inspired me I went back I did some
research um like all a lot of stocks I I already day trade um I
trade a lot of large cap stocks when I do day trade I switch over
from small cap to large caps and then I found out from charts that
hey like there is a lot of Truth to what he said um all most of the
stocks I day traded um on the Longs side for large caps a
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lot of them went on multi-day multi-week multi-month
breakouts so that kind of it was what originally inspired me to
start looking into like swing trading a l a lot more seriously than
I did years before so that's the first thing to to in order to
capture more upside the second thing I think just realistically um I
I started day trading one was like 22 I I can no longer stare at the
chart all day uh I I can no longer you know do what I used to do
stay stay stay up looking at charts wake up at 4:00 a.m. every
single morning because I'm on the Vancouver time zone so
realistically like I I don't
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really see myself day trading every single day for the next
20 years so a lot of it is also just like realizing that hey I need
a at least find a way to diversify my strategies and trading Styles
so you know that's say during busy months when I'm away
from the computer for days at a time I'm not just away from the
market altogether I still want some skin in the game um and yeah and
that was really echoed by in October shortly after I kind of
publicly announced that I'm going to focus on swing trading
more I got Co and then I got hit with pneumonia right after covid so
I basically haven't been
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able to day trade for a month or so now I just recovered from
my pneumonia so I think all this happening all at once just really
kind of echoed that sentiment I had before that hey I really need to
take swing trading a lot more seriously and day trading is one
method to make money but it's not the only way yeah no no I
totally understand that and and I remember um we had Jack Kellog on
on a while ago as well and and he had that intense drive and that
intense work and and in the end it affected his health um and and
he's at the point of just saying like look I remember
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he made a YouTube video as well saying look I'm I'm
retired I'm retired from Trading I'm not taking a full
time do you think people just kind of burn out there's only so
many years in the game and if you go all in like you have you kind
of burn out a little bit yeah I think that's true and and also
after meeting so many traders in person I'm always surprised
when I find out about their age because their actual age is often
like five 10 years younger than their ex their their um appearance
SO trading is really ages you yeah no it absolutely does actually
like I look at some Traders and I look
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at the pictures 5 years ago and I look at them now and
I'm like you look a little you look a little bit older than I I
thought and it's uh no but it's serious though I mean like
I've traded for years as well and like I I would be like 10
o'clock in the morning and I'd be in a a big position more
comfortable than I should be and I'd be thinking I need a kind
of beer right now but I can't drink beer at 10 o' in the
morning but it's just because your emotions are the emotions
were like this i' be trembling and that that obviously takes a
all on your body
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but but I mean for you I mean I've watched your videos
on when you've explained the advantages of part-time trading
and you kind of you you're letting the day trades play out
longer if I understand correctly so like is the more Edge in doing
that do you find that you you can make more profits or is it purely
I need to step away it's a time thing no I I I think it's
both but I do think like even even if I was you know a little bit
younger and able to day trade more I think swing trading will be a
very good strategy to kind of maximize your profits I think a lot of
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Traders they do have two accounts one for day trading and one
for swing trading um just so you can capture all the upside that
there is presented yeah and then I mean four new traders in the game
I thought what you said was quite bold I think I CAU you saying um
you would recommend that new traders who were working wouldn't
wouldn't do trade you'd recommend them to swing trade yeah
just elaborate a bit on that I think the market when I first started
trading day trading part-time 10 years ago I think the market at the
time presented a lot more predictable opportunities um this is just
my opinion but I think after 2021 2022
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a lot of things changed especially with the smoke caps so
what used to be predictable patterns for day trading I think every
couple of months nowadays is something that surprises us uh even
though I don't trade small caps anymore I kind of still observe
I think they're just so much more kind of irrational changes or
um manipulation or some random either like a stock would dump all
day or a squeeze all day there's just too much random action
nowadays I think as someone starting out trading part-time I really
don't think you can really understand all the moves of the
market um just trading parttime day trading part-time anymore uh
especially on small caps so that's
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why I'm so big about um swing trading large caps because
I think know those tend to be a little bit more predictable um and a
lot easier to follow the trend if that makes sense no no it makes
full sense and I remember like I remember when I had me best year
tradeing 2020 2021 like the market seemed predictable a lot of Gap
would just crap you could just rinse and repeat the same things Anda
I think trading's a lot harder these days and then if
you're under 10 cerence as well it's easier to follow the
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trading with the fastest stock scanner now back to the episode so
that brings me to your 2024 um how's how's your 2024 going
in the market I love to see that you're on kim4 it's
amazing it's amazing to see your 2024 on kim4 but talk us
through how it's how it's how it's been yeah um 2024
I will say I I still day traded a lot more in the beginning of the
year all the way until probably July um and for me when I kind of
compare because I attack my trades so I know that how the day trades
are performing and how the
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swing trades are performing I I would say the the you know if
I had just stick with stuck with sling trading this year I would
have been a lot more profitable but at the same time there were
definitely still a lot of opportunities in this year that's
really great for day trading so I can't really complain so um I
will say um just looking at my performance on Kimo um I think what
around I'm around 280k almost 300K 300K 300K [Music] [Music]
[Music] um majority of what of that is from swing trading um and a
lot of big draw Downs I had this year was from day trading so
that's what I meant by if
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I just focus on swing trading I think my year would being a
lot Greener and a lot less less less stressful um but that also
means the last couple months from pretty much from September to
onwards till now in November I've been only um pretty much
swing trading and I would say this is probably the least stressful
time trading this year I had um and there was a lot less a lot less
of this a lot more like steady climb and P back and steady c um so
I'm happy to see that no but I mean like for me I I I watch
what you do and I know I know that you we'll get
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into stocks stocks iio in a moment uh pretty soon we'll
get to stocks iio you're doing stocks iio you're obviously
managing your teaching side of the business you're trading like
I look at you and and I know how hard it is I know how many hours go
into the work that you do because I do a lot of it I do a lot of
similar work I just think like you must be some kind of machine like
how do you possibly like how do you possibly operate on this level
for Su same period and that made us think like how do you do
everything that you're doing being as busy that as you are and
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still manage the highs of the good parts of trading and then
how do you endure the lows like what what are you doing to your
mental side to like survive this um I think it's interesting
that you're asking that because I would say I'm pretty
much used to the highs and lows of trading now after 10 years and
three years the beginning of failing I'm pretty much used to
this with trading um so honestly among everything else I do like
social media stocks um and my community trading is overall the least
stressful part of my business um because if you think about it if I
if I lose a lot of money in one trade
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it just means it's my problem like I just got to fix it
and and I've had a lot of big draw Downs over the years as well
and I've managed to to get through it so I think a lot of times
it's just a matter of reflecting on past um big losses or bad
trades and realize that okay what what what kind of tactics or how
did I um get through it the last time around and I'll just
rinse and repeat the same process and usually that process is just
downsizing if if a big losses from day trade I'll downsize my
day trade position um you know at least for two weeks and then
I'll
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would keep track of my performance my journals and once I get
back to my normal that's say win rates or normal risk reward
that I usually have then that's when I slowly scale back up um
and I've been pretty much using this exact process for the last
three years um and and I'm pretty sure I will have to have big
losses again in the future so it's just a matter of remembering
what it feels like right now what I used to get through it and
repeating the same process let's say in six months or a year if
I have a big draw down again but I mean you you must be pretty
level-headed to go
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through all of this um like do do you feel like you like a
lot of the best Traders are without emotion do you feel like you fit
into that category or you can manage your emotions your emotions
your emotions or I think I'm I'm actually a pretty
emotional person yeah I see it on your videos that's what I was
thinking and that's why I asked because I see the emotions I
see the character on your videos so I'm like this girl's
like a normal girl she's just like which is she's doing
really well in that trading so how how she handle it trading yeah
I'm really emotional but also at the same time I don't
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think it's about like eliminating all emotions I think
it's just about understanding your emotions like I know when
I'm about to tilt because I've done that before so I just
stopped myself so I think it's Mo mostly about understanding
why you're emotional and when you're about to be really
triggered to get very emotional then you stop that's it so you
don't get to the point where I'm emotional in front of the
keyboard but rather I'm emotional outside my office or outside
of the home you have that yeah you can say because when I like I did
okay in trading I'm I'm net profitable overall but but
when I get emotional I drink a full bottle
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of wine and continue trading oh no and I I think I think I
think that's a bit of a downfall I think that's where
I'm going wrong I'm not I'm 100% but I think
that's where I'm going wrong I start drinking a bottle of
wine and things go wrong and I carry on I think what you should
change is make it two bottles of wine but outside will be all I
think that's I think that's the Cure here no I think I can
have a bottle of whiskey I'm just not allowed to I'm not
allowed to trade the next day but I've got I've got one
one final question then I want to get on
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stocks iio because I've been on stock I'm really
really impressed with the platform I think you've carved a real
niche in the market right there and it shows a real business a
business Acumen what you've demonstrated here so we'll get
into that but I just want to ask you look you work I I know that you
work incredibly hard we've talked about it six seven days what
drives you what is the drive behind all of this this this H I think
that's a that could be a very deep deep deep question question
question um hm um hm um hm like if if we're gonna really talk
about the root of all this it's like I
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guess growing up no one wanted to be my friends in school so
I I just feel like I was never good enough to be someone else's
friends else's friends else's friends really yeah sorry do
we just like get a little bit too deep but no no I'm absolutely
love it I'm like give me more but I don't want to I
don't want to push you too hard on it yeah yeah like I
didn't have many friends especially after I immigrated to
Canada like I didn't speak English um I was just kind of nerdy
overall um so that's not exactly a good combination to have
friends you know like I'm not popular at school didn't go
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to prom didn't go to grad events barely made it to my
graduation um but but I think I think at the root of it like
it's like I always felt like I need to do stuff to to prove
that um hey like you know like like you know like I'm worthy of
being someone's friends or something else so I think
that's the root of it um so it's not really about of
course I want to make money while doing it but it's not about
the money it's just about oh I want to move on to the next
challenge the next thing um so I can I can add more I add more
things to like
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the projects I've worked on failed or currently working
on um I think that's the root of it you know like I I I want to
make sure that I'm a worthy person um whether it's to my
friends or my parents or my future partner yeah no I can completely
understand um since since you went deep I'll go deep and then
we'll go stock AIO but from for me I I was like um everyone
sees me online as like the funny guy the funny guy who who says
funny things and gets drunk for YouTube but uh the reality was that
when I was in school I had many periods without friends uh got
bullied got bullied
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and stuff like that and something has driven me to prove not
prove everyone wrong but prove myself right it's something like
that like I need to prove that I'm worthy of me Dad's
attention Dad look at it and I'm not a excuse me language
I'm not a up Dad I'm not a up M look what I did like and
it's like I want to prove through success that I can I'm
just the same as you I'm worthy I'm worthy and uh
there's this drive that that makes us want to work five six
days a week for me it's a marketing business and trading for
you it's it's all of your businesses but it's a good
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thing do you think it's a good thing in the end
it's a good thing in the end because you've got where you
are now yeah I think it's a I think overall is nit positive as
long as but of course there a all downsides it's like yeah
right like I I mean I don't need to talk about it but but
that's the reason a lot of Traders High performing Traders are
super depressed yeah it's like once you get there like
what's next right like so so I'm I'm I'm pretty
uh I I reflect a lot uh that also means I'm really emotional
because I I reflect um um yeah the question you ask what drives
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me I I think about this like every week and I I know what
drives me I also know the downsides um which is why I'm
actively swing trading is a good solution because it gives me a
little bit more free time and time personal life with my friends and
loved ones um um so I think that's also another reason because
otherwise I feel like I'll just fill my day my Google Calendar
is always full like I feel like on deep inside I enjoy seeing it
full and and and it shouldn't be like I I should get some r no
but it's it's um I know I know exactly I know exactly what
you mean um
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but like I I enjoy I enjoy the Chase and but I know I also
know like a lot of people see the success and they don't see
the downside but for me even for me I haven't even achieved
that much but a lot of people say ah Stephen what you did is really
cool and you've got a nice following but I'll say yeah but
I still feel a little bit sad when I go to bed at night still feel a
little bit sad sometimes before I go to bed at night thinking am I
enough have I done enough but but like you've got to take the
bad with the good and and I take the
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bad with the good and I would never change who I who I who I
am yes so anyway that's the therapy lesson for the day and
thank thank you for the therapy class by the way I feel a little bit
I feel a little bit later I hope you feel a little bit lighter
I'm hope feel like I I unlocked a little bit of trauma there so
thanks for that U moment that was shared but um going on to stocks
iio you've you've launched co-founded a brand new scanner
and you've built and brought it to the market in six months
which is if anyone knows technology it's crazy it's crazy
to do something like that
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so uh tell us a little bit about that yeah um so stock IO uh
I'm actually not the founder I'm a co-founder uh I was
approached by uh the founder of spiky so uh we kind of started
talking uh near the end of 20123 um about how we can work together
and I had the idea that hey my biggest issue at the moment with my
trading is that uh my scanner you know at the time I was using a
previous scanner it's not the most intuitive it's clunky
and I hate it the number one thing I hate when I'm about to
travel is is you know I you have to download all the settings and
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like move it to a USB put in your laptop and I reload
everything um I hate that I hate that process because once you have
a couple different like trading platforms it takes time to do that
um so I was like okay can we just make a a web based better scanner
that's easier to use um a little bit more you know beginner
friendly for users and not so heavy to carry around so that was the
entire thesis and how stocks the idea was was was originated um and
then you know I had no idea we can build things out so fast in six
months um and then he actually built it so he's in
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charge of building the software developing it and I'm
the person in charge of customer feedback uh marketing and obviously
teaching people how to properly use scanners and all the different
strategies that you can do with your scanners um in order to kind of
succeed as a Trader I mean and I and I I've used the scanner
and um it was funny because I I loaded up the scanner and I thought
here I go one more scanner one more scanner that I'm going to
have to look at and I looked at it and I thought wow I actually
understand everything on the scanner straight away like I
didn't have to um I didn't have to learn
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anything I didn't have to watch a tutorial I just
thought it was like intuitive you know like an iPhone where you just
know where to click the buttons it's like all right this is
this this is this I press the he button for this but I mean why why
did you feel the need to bring out something like this like this
like this now yeah I think you're right there's a lot of
scanners out there already but I don't think there's
anything that's very easy to use it's either too heavy or
too too heavy too clunky or just like you said you lock onto it and
you're like overwhelmed like oh shoot like what's going
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on how do I you know like a lot of Traders say only need a
specific aspect of the scanner that's it that's all they
use and they would just want to load it up and it runs in a
background and becomes like a really seamless part about their trade
planning process and they don't have to like overthink about oh
checking the scanner every every second um so that's the whole
idea is to make it very simple to use and I'm glad that it was
very easy for you to understand as well that's the entire
thesis something simple something that Traders can let aage um it
works well on mobile too so that's another thing I
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want something that I can just see on my phone um without
loading it up on my PC yeah I know and like look everybody says
don't over complicate trading case keep it simple stupid yeah I
guess is that the goal that you've kind of gone with of like
just don't make trading because like I'm I'm turning
40 in a couple of years and like I'm starting to not know where
Zoom buttons are and not know where like Microsoft email buttons are
so like is that the goal like make it make it good for everybody yes
yes that's that's the goal and uh Stephen you'll be
you'll be you'll be the you no but yeah it's
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just just to make it really simple because not all Traders
are techsavvy like a lot of Traders they've been trading for
for decades and you know they they they are not in in touch with the
latest AI the latest latest uh Motion Graphics and what not so we
just need something that loads up and then people know exactly how
to use it and I hopefully we've achieved that um from what you
just said no no and it's funny because like I mean this happens
in the market as well with companies but it's like I see a
trend recently with scanners where it's like a we'll just
put AI on the website and we'll charge an
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extra $100 a month like it seems like like something like
that's happening so like what's the price of your scanner
CU it's I think it's cheaper than the others no yeah
it's it's very cheap uh it's $70 a month well $5.99
for the whole year yeah so that's in comparison to a lot of our
other competitors at 120 130 or if you want AI I think it's
like 220 or something like that per month um and and and and you
know granted they they do give a lot of extra features but I know
most Traders don't need all the features that they offer at a
120 price point or 220 um so you know so
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that's where I think stocks really comes into to shine
because it gives you news feed pre-market Gap scan um you can create
some custom scans to sort out um the small caps large caps um
institutional ownership Insider ownership um short percentage which
is really important for certain traders who trade small caps um so
it gu just gives you all the essential information you need in a
very easy to access um platform so I think that's the biggest
differentiator is that you don't need all the bells and
whistles that a lot of other heavy scanners have you just need you
just need this a very essential way to gather all your Market data
for the stocks
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that you're looking to trade no no 100% AG great I think
there's generally like six or seven indicators that you can
everyone every Trader has an a thesis and as long as you've got
those covered I mean that works but I mean so so you've built
this you've brought it to Market in six months what's next
is it is it going to turn into a much bigger thing or is it going to
be like simple intuitive it works it's not too expensive and
that's it no we have a lot more planned um for stocks um the
first phase is just having a simple scanner which I think we've
achieved that the next phase is to
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kind of start integrating more features into it um so it
becomes this o and one platform that any stock Trader will need to
do all their research because right now you know that we have um we
a lot of Traders do different softwares for everything let's
say SEC filings that say news that say scanners that say you know
they have another place to to store their trade ideas we want to
bring all that into one platform so what's coming up on stocks
IO is um alerts that's being worked down right now alerts not
just price alerts but indicator alerts um alerts when the stocks hit
certain technical indicators that start fitting our our our criteria
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um and also watch list is up next where I can start putting
stocks that I'm watching I I usually just leave all the stocks
on my um D trator Pro platform but I want a way to keep track of it
all in the same place as my pre-market scanner so I want to a place
to seore my watch list and put alerts on them when it hit certain
indicators well when the charts hit certain patterns I'm
looking for especially for swing trading so in a lot of ways
selfishly stocks is just a way for me to systematize my process and
make everything seamless um for for day trading and swing trading no
and like all
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of the best thing all of the best inventions are ever born of
um the founder not being able to find a solution to the their own
problem that they have right so you've had this problem you
bessed around with USBS you found software clunky and you just said
look I'm just going to build this myself I'm just going to
build something myself with with with your partner with Spike eat
and um and know it sounds like something cool so the end result is
basically an all-in-one platform covers all of the needs it's
not too expensive because a lot of Traders lose money at the start
yes first first year is pretty brutal can be pretty
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tough see you're trying to limit the cost as well Ray
yes yeah so hopefully I mean the the the reception has been good so
far uh we launched in um May of this year may end of May um so yeah
it's yeah it's been six months six months six months um
yeah it's it's been a a lot of uh another thing is because
we launched a product so fast there's a lot of bugs so
we've been just been that fixing bugs the entire six months and
pushing out charting and news feed um but it's a it's a
lot it's it's a lot of work but I also um enjoy the
process because it's a different
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set of problems that's different from everything else
I've done before like trading or YouTube or even running my
community every time every time I start these new business or new
projects is a different set of problem and I enjoy um being
challenged yeah but I mean it's h i don't know what
you're going to do next because like you've excelled in
trading you've excelled in digital and social media you've
excelled in mentorship and chart rooms now you're trying now
you're going to excel in in a software platform I don't
know I don't know what you're going to do next I
don't know what the next goal is after this I don't know
but no there's
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always a lot of things to improve on like like I obviously
for my trading like I I want to start optimizing my swing trades
more and start sizing up a little bit more I think this year has
been a lot testing um trying out different strategies and knowing
what works and tracking them uh next year if markets still continues
the uptrend I think that's when I'll start like holding in
um one or two of my swing trading strategies and scale it up more
hopefully we'll see yeah look and then we we don't even
need to ask you about your trading we don't even need to ask
you about your strategies because I say on your
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YouTube channel you give like n nearly all of the details
away you're very you're very um you're very generous
in in the YouTube content and the fact that you give a lot of the
strategies Away online on your videos and maybe that's one of
the reasons why you're so popular so if anyone wants to learn
more about the strategies uh you can watch the videos on the channel
for you but uh any any final words on stocks iio uh before we move
on we'll put a link in the description right so people can can
click and sign up or any final words um no I think people should try
it for themselves and see if
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it fits their current um stock research process and uh yeah
and of course I'm always open to feedback so if we don't
have certain things that you're looking for feel free to email
me and we'll put that in the develop vment P pipeline for stock
SLE yeah I know and I think that's a cool approach to kind of
let let people help you build it like almost open source kind of
thing but uh we're going to get we're going to get on to
some uh some fun questions I've I've had a few few
questions that I'm like excited to um to ask you the first one
is that you verified on kall on September of
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September 30 this year H I just want to ask you what made you
do with yeah um I actually got access to Kim for after last
year's uh Traders for cost so I've been on there but my
account was private for a long time um and at the end of September I
was going through some things like I was upset with like a lot of
things were difficult um my trading I was struggling uh my YouTube I
was struggling stocks I was struggling I'm just struggling like
at Old fronts and then at the time I was really triggered by this
one negative comment and and it's part of social media I see I
see know
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good both the good and the bad every single day um but you as
you know you've been on social media long enough that it
doesn't matter if you get hundreds of positive comments you
you're always going to gravitate and pay attention to the one
negative one yeah so that's what happened um I saw this comment
basically saying like like saying like oh like she she's she
she she never pre uh practices the strategies that she teaches on
YouTube um I bet you she'll never be on Kimo she doesn't
know how to trade she's never played a profitable tra her whole
life like I was already having a bad night and I saw that and I
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was just like bro I've been on kful for since since I
got the the access like uh no last year like being on there let me
just switch it to public and then I'll see what happens and
then you know at the time I was scripting the the the video that
I'm currently in a draw down that just kind of put that kful
part in as well just just was a way to kind of say that hey like you
know I've been real about my losses you can see it here but
I've been real about my profits as well so you cannot just say
I keep losing money and and and yes I admit I
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do lose money I do say that in my videos but you cannot just
take those ones and ignore the profits I made it's like this
both wins and losses you cannot just focus on my losses so that was
kind of like the the trigger and the the point where I turned my
Kimo to public then I was like Hey like here you go this is it I
mean you see the tickers I mentioned that trade that you see the
Nvidia trade you see the penter trade you also see the losses I
talked about um I lost a lot of money on Chinese stocks like you see
it you can see it here um so yeah
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that's that was the trigger and that what made me kind
of go public with my kful profile H it's funny so it
wasn't some like thought out decision you just saw some guy got
annoyed about it and just thought look do you know what it is yeah
here you go I'm I'm sick of it yeah like it's
it's hard like social media is overall it can be really bad for
your mental health and then and especially that's after being
on Kim for a while like just private it's just because you
don't see it public doesn't mean it doesn't
doesn't doesn't exist yeah but is there a sense of like I
mean look you're you're in
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the I think on the all on this year's leaderboard
you're you're in in the one of the top ranks I mean is
there a sense of just here you go I'm a profitable Trader
I'm doing doing doing fine get out me life is there kind of
something like that or is it did he just want the pressure to go
away or or want the stupid prove the person wrong or no no I cannot
learn to realize that there's no winning uh so I just kind of
like it's like it's here because that person specifically
said oh I'll never be on kful I'm just okay it's here
like it's here like do what you want with
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it like I don't think I I really do mean it when I say
like I I don't think like I get it a lot of people who um um
have education programs they they do probably do think like you know
going public with your performance is a really good marketing tactic
yeah um I can see that but for me like I never wanted to use that as
a marketing tactic I guess um I just see it as because because the
number one reason is because I believe that the most profitable
traders who make the most money they're not necessarily going
to be the best teachers yeah yeah 100% so that's the reason
like I don't
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think um that's the reason for me to make this move
it's not to prove people wrong it's just so like there it
is it's there so can you like shut up about me not being a p
like that's it don't bother me about it anymore don't
bother me about it it's St like done no I just want an evening
of Peace that's it but yeah I'm sure your comments are
overwhelmingly positive on your on your channel from what I say
it's 90 99% overwhelmingly positive no MH yeah I think so yeah
and I appreciate people who um took the time to leave positive
comments like I appreciate those because sometimes it's tough
no no you've
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got a you've got a whole Army of followers but I meanc
because you've got this status do you find that um and
you're on K for now do you find that is there any more pressure
is there any more motivation now that it's kind of verified in
public um I don't think it's I would say before I went
public on P Kimo I thought there would be a lot more pressure I
thought I thought that was going to be you know oh if I just open
this up this Pandora box there'll be a lot more pressure a lot
more criticism and just a lot of like unwanted attention that's
what I thought and and that's
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probably the reason why I just never like went public with it
um um because I I I do try very hard to keep certain aspects of my
life private um so that was the part I was trying to keep private um
but I would say um fortunately and like you know to my surprise uh I
don't think I've gotten any pressure at all uh or any
criticism at all after I went public with my kful profile so that
was a really pleasant surprise and surprise and surprise and and of
course knowing this what I know now I kind of wish I had went public
sooner yeah I don't think anyone's bothered right they
just I
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think someone just thinks like if you're selling
something it would be cool to say that you've made money and I
think that's that's the only the asking then you did it so
like that's that but I mean on on a more of a fun fun topic and
I'm curious on your answer on this Pumpers there's a lot
of there's a lot of Pumpers out there in the industry
you'll know I'll not see anybody by name but you'll
know you'll know some of the Pumpers in the industry can I ask
you do you do you personally love the Pumpers or do you personally
not like the Pumpers because some people love the pumers because of
the
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volatility so what's your thoughts on that yeah I mean I
love it I love it if it weren't for certain Pumpers we
wouldn't have some pretty big moves on the on certain large cap
and small cap stocks um so no I love it I think they provide um yeah
volatility they provide opportunities for us Traders and it just
makes trading more fun no that's why I I I think it makes
really more fun um and changes things up so no I think I have no
problem with the Pumpers would I do it no uh I think what
they're yeah what they're doing is morally and ethically
wrong but like if we're talking about trading we're
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all capitalists like we want to make money so it provides us
opportunities to make money so yeah I think it's great no no
and this is this is the common answer that I get get from everyone
and do you have a just curious because obviously I think for you
you're one of the higher profile mentors out there in the game
for for sure but I was just curious do you have a do you have a
mentor that you look up to or do you have a a furu like a fake Guru
that uh that you just find funny or like in any kind of way as well
um well um well um I I probably
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won't name the furus uh but I will say just in general
like I I I look up to I already mentioned him earlier um call Magi
he's not Unk full um but I look up to him a lot um there's
other Traders I look up to like Stephen Ducks extremely like you
know databased statistical I enjoy um I interviewed him a while ago
I really enjoy that interview it just going into the interview I
knew I was going to learn a lot from him and I did but I I felt like
I was like mind blown by the way he thinks so I think he he
he's definitely someone who's very out of the box
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um so I I look up to him a lot um other Traders are my
friends I I I enjoy hanging out with Eduardo very positive guy um
Jay Trader too when I was uh I will never forget this what um when I
gave my speech at Traders for CLA um in um in um in 2022 he was be
in front of me um and then we were about to go on stage to talk uh
sorry separately he saw how nervous I was and he just like he just
like stood there and like gave me like a pep talk and like hey
you'll be fine like he like he like squeezed my shoulder like
you're okay
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with his squeezing my shoulder I'm like whoa I'm
like destroyed right now but but I just I just appreciate a all of
these up positive gestures um from him Eduardo and other peers in
the industry um and and of course I'm meeting um Kyle Williams
I met him last again last week um same as huie like I I really enjoy
listening to these Traders talk about the strategies the way they
think and the process so I look up to all of these people yeah I
know 100% understand because I because I because I mean just to to
quickly touch on like when I grew up I grew up with like
workingclass area All of Me
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friends just get drunk all of the time in the local pub five
days a week and I just never I I did do that when I was young but I
never I never gelled with it I always wanted something more and I
found that when I was going to these events and when I'm doing
these podcasts and when I'm interviewing different people like
you and and like Eduardo and like Jay like I I learn that that rubs
off on you do you remember that quote you're you're the
product of the people that you surround yourself with yeah it's
true that that really read resonated with me because although
I've never made millions in trading it's
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being around people's in instilled my work ethic to be
more to be better and to achieve more and that's priceless but
is a I mean I don't know if you got any comments for that
otherwise a final question is just if you've got any final
golden nuggets any tips any thought can be anything to uh to close
out on yeah I think to to kind of reflect on what you just said um I
think a lot of people they go into trading obviously because of the
money but I think what keeps people staying in the game of trading
it has to be a little bit more than just money it has to be um
positive
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competition has to be meeting other Traders and they inspire
you to kind kind of look into your strategies and change things up
um so it has to be it cannot just be the money that keeps any
Traders going and you need kind of need to have like some sort of
Drive um from external forces or from within yourself or from like
your childhood trauma that inspires you to keep going so so trading
in the money is not is not the end game for most Traders I know
it's not the end game for me um I think people especially if
they're beginners watching this they just need to realize that
that hey like obviously we want
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to make money but once you start making money you know you
need to find some other sense of purpose or other other sense of
inspiration um from other Traders or people around you that inspire
you to keep going because otherwise like there's already too
many millionaire traders who are depressed like otherwise that that
will going to be the the result for a lot of traders who only chase
the money yeah and that's the reality I think people doing who
don't have the money they don't know they they've
always got the dream that when you get the money they'll be
happy so they can work through it the whole life but the most
dangerous thing that
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can possibly happen is you do get the money and then realize
that it doesn't make you happy yeah yeah that's very true
and I'm really scared of that so so that's that's why
I I actively seek things outside of making money or trading to like
kind of like enrich my life and that's when you look at like
stocks iio and you look at like building your confidence of thinking
wow I built I built that software like wow I managed that project
and wow I've built this YouTube channel it's like you get
you get you get things less superficial than money I guess guess
guess yes uh sh it's been an absolute uh privilege to talk
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to you privilege to interview you I've seen you
interview the best traders in the world so for me to interview you
is is a a personal personal high point for me so really appreciate
your time yeah thank you thank you for all the thoughtful questions
too thank you for what sorry awful thoughtful questions thoughtful
ah right I know we went a little bit deep went a little bit deep we
didn't plan to go deep there was no deep questions in the in
the in the original plan but it was fun yeah thank you so much
stepen thank you
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today we have huie I really love the way that the market has
been we're going to discuss his trading strategies and
that's what I've learned in my 9year trading career like
pns they come and go the value of transparency my opinion on this is
very personal and I think puers bring opportunity and his tips for
you tra us both people are watching the wrong stop the first thing I
think most F need to understand is side today we have hudie a top
Trader on kin for's leaderboard we're going to discuss his
trading strategies the value of transparency and his tips for new
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free for the first month so all you have to do is log in
click upgrade and you'll get access to those Advanced reports
and analytics but first of all hudie absolute pleasure to uh to
speak to you today how how's life how's trading yeah long
time no see you Stephen it's good to see you uh it's good
to talk to you thanks for having me on the podcast I'm very
excited to talk about trading trading has been kind of uh uh uh you
know every year you're still learning and even in year nine
I'm still learning I'm currently living in Miami enjoying
life out here enjoying the East Coast hours predominantly they on
the West
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Coast Trading so uh this year has been great I really L the
way that the market has been the volatility has been exceptional
especially in small cap and we've had some really cool events I
mean Rory and kitty being one of them I'm sure we'll talk
about it a little bit yeah I've got a question I wasn't
sure I was going to ask you but I'll put it in a bit later but
first of all just to get into your trading your trading Style I
remember about 5 years ago you once said to me mimic The Best [ __ ]
The Rest in reference to adopt improving strategies do you do you
still have that Mantra and
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trading I really do I mean I I figure at one point you got to
find a mentor you got to find someone that you believe in you
believe in their trading style you believe their profits and then
your job whether it's trading or anything in the in the world
that you have a mentor for you really want to be coachable you want
to be able to mimic exactly what your Mentor is teaching you and not
try to have your ego you know take you in a different direction
because you think you know best in my opinion the wheel has already
been created for us why white create a hover car when driving on the
road
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with four wheels works fine just make the wheel a little bit
better or find tune it to whatever car you're driving yeah know
it makes F I mean look trading trading is hard enough without trying
to figure out some sort of New Edge right sure um yes in terms of of
how you initially got profitable I kind of recall that you were you
were very very focused on the first red day button is that still
something that you're running with do you still Trad it has it
changed it's definitely morphed over the years it's not
the same setup it was back in 2017 2018 and 2019 uh main frequency
of how often that pattern's coming
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around is it really there and a lot of the times I am getting
kind of squeezed on that setup so it's actually no longer my
bread and butter and that's what I've learned in my
nine-year training career like patterns they come and go and
sometimes the pattern is still there but you need a different
perspective on how to execute it maybe the short is not necessarily
right at Market open but it's into a previous High instead of
where it once was right um so so there's little minute
differences that kind of go with each pattern first red days yeah
that's something that I focused on for four or five years and
since it's become still
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a pattern that I trade but less frequently um definitely less
frequently so so in terms of like observing and noticing the nuances
is that statistics or data or are you using statistics and data to
kind of measure points this this entry is better here than there one
of my main improvements to my trading this year has been using a
company or a program called spy uh Gathering data to kind of have a
better idea of what the daily expected value is where do I think
this candle is going based off of the Open The Gap number of days in
the sequence Etc so I have been adding a lot more data to my trading
um
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and yeah in the data like alone like overextended gap down
specifically the ones that gap down aren't that profitable I
mean unless you're perfect in including slipit it's
probably break even over the long run at least how I Define it so
it's not what it once was yeah because I think it's
personal to me I guess because I I really went on a good run with uh
gaping crops and I went on a good run with gapin crops somewhere in
2020 and the patent worked for about a year and I thought I was
going to be I made the first 100K I thought it was going to be a
millionaire I thought life was sorted
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and my ultimate downfall was one discipline but two not being
able to adapt to patterns and you seem to have been able to make
that adaption so what would you say to the Traders cuz I'll not
be the only one what would you say to the traders who have failed to
move with the market and because it's it's really hard the
first time to crack a pattern that works you've got to do it
again and again and again yeah so uh the first thing I think mosters
need to understand is size is overrated I think most of us are
trying to size into the tightest risk level in order to experience
the most reward relative
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to our risk I think often times for Traders that takes them
out of the play too early so a lot of times especially with dapping
crafts you have a situation where they're trying to manipulate
you up they're trying to wake it up they're trying to wake
it down and so if you have tight risks whether it's high day or
not you're most likely going to get Wicked out and the play
will still kind of fade the way that it's supposed to but you
didn't have the right risk level going in right you is just
general so yeah um I forgot the question what was the question
specifically no I was I was just thinking how
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do you how can you explain the traders that they need to kind
of adapt or how do you what process do you follow for you to adapt
because most Traders just get stuck on one pattern yeah so the first
thing it is is like cracking your traits right you need to
understand you know if you're trading one specific pattern
what's your average win what's your win rate what's
your average loss and over months in many sample sizes you're
going to get kind of an idea of whether you're hitting it
consistently and the equity perur is kind of going up in a straight
fashion or is there a lot of chop in between and then you
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have to decide is that chop because of me because I'm
taking myself out of the trade too early or is that truly because
the pattern is broken and that's what I was you know kind of
referencing with earlier which I I really think Sid is overrated
because the second we start losing big dollar amounts is the second
we want to really stay away from that pain we don't want to
gravitate towards back to that so having some kind of consistent
loss level where you can trade it 3040 50 times maybe it's not
a 50% win rate but with some type of good risk reward at the end of
50 trades you shouldn't be blown out
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if it's a good enough setup and you can kind of identify
whether this is something we should continue to trade or not for me
again a lot of the first red days that were gapping down we're
just going green back in 2017 2018 you didn't see that as much
uh it was a much more power level or a line in the sand that never
got crossed so it's a risk level that I trusted and now I
don't trust it as much um because I just see a lot more losses
in my data yeah do you ever um do you ever think of the reason or
the rationale why the patterns are changing do you ever
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guess that or do you just think that the numbers are all I
need to know about there are some things we're going to
understand and there are some things we're not going to
understand right and I just try to put myself in situations that I
understand I don't try to figure out the impossible I
don't know if it's an algo I don't know what is going
on in the market most of the time I just know what is supposed to
happen and where my wrist bubble is right um I Can't Tell You
Why green red used to hold like like a GI it was like magic I would
short I would put my stop loss
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for needed to go at the end of the day I didn't stop out
now if I do that I stop out right and I don't know why it
rejected so well in the past and why it doesn't reject anymore
uh maybe there's more short sellers um I don't know I
can't I can't tell you though but you're literally
just following behavioral patterns and Trends and and waiting for
what should happen to happen and then if it doesn't happen you
get stopped it's basically it exactly W yeah I and that
that's the nature of trading right you have you have a setup
you have a plan on how to get in what triggers the the entry
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and then you have an expectation of where you want to cover
either a price Target or a time in the day that you want to cover in
uh and you wait and it's a lot of waiting and not pushing
buttons because a lot of the times our Traders kind of M themselves
up is when they start trying to add to a winner you you hear so many
lines on Twitter and through the training community of like these
like euphemisms of you know tight risk wide reward stuff like that
and it's like I think when 90% of people start believing the
same concept that's when the concept starts to break yeah
absolutely 100% understand that and
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in terms of from 2020 to say 2024 have you adapted your
trading approach now compared to the past so it's been
it's been it's been so again I've been trading for
nine years and it's kind of crazy to be saying that um in the
first three to four years where I was very consistently profitable I
was trading majority first red days as we were just speaking about
then in 2020 and 2021 it shifted in that moment first red days were
actually turning into like first gday breakouts like the pattern was
shifting where they would kind of recover into the end of the day
the the overnight interest was quite High to even swing them and
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then the next day they were kind of breaking out we were in a
market where a stock and put out a toxic offering and it's
gapping up the next day and no one cared about the fact that
they're going to dump millions of shares and the stock would
still go up so it became a market again adapting right it became a
market where it wasn't it didn't beho me to be a short
seller I I along the stupidest trash and it might Gap up and
there's pretty good odds of it happening so 2020 2021 I became
mainly uh long biased I I pretty much only bought thops and and made
a killing and then 2022
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it shifted again and every stock that I bought was either a
fake breakout or LED to an offering of some sort because these
companies needed to get cash even more now um and so and so longing
wasn't the thing anymore first red days weren't really
paying me that well uh it was a lot of like $7,000 months and then
minus $7,000 months so really not moving the needle forward although
in the moment maybe felt good um so that led me to this year where I
said hey I'm coming in December uh you know I'm in
Thailand I'm making my resolutions I'm making my business
plans I'm saying what do I want to achieve this year
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and how do I want to achieve it what patterns do I want to
trade how much money do I want to start with how much do I expect to
make at the end of the year risking this amount on every single
trade and part of that Dynamic I mean the three trades specifically
number one and the main one that I've been trading is the
gaping crap um with some mixed results but predominantly net
profitable that was kind of the easiest data sheet for me to attack
on spiky and say hey what percent gaps likely fail how much do they
specifically Spike or normally spike uh and where can I kind of
identify Trend breaks or
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areas to get in to experience that all day fake and
that's been predominantly the number one trade that I've
taken all year there's been so many gaps that it's been a
good market for it and that's kind of the one thing that I keed
it on it's it's a good frequency and even if some month
it's not profitable it keeps me busy most days and has a decent
amount of risk on the table where I don't find myself pushing
buttons on setups that don't have data attributed to that and
that's a really good thing for a Trader is to have a qualified
setup that keeps you busy because if you're not busy and
you're searching
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for a setup you're going to find something sub part a
trade and then take an unnecessary loss almost every time um the
other two setups that I F myself I trade this year but only the best
of the best if I can identify them would be first red days and a
couple breakouts here and there um but predominantly you know this
year I I want to focus on Gap GRS I want to have a year of data and
at the end of the year say okay this is how I've done on them
you know am I going to continue this into 2025 we're going to
quickly take a quick break here I'm just going to
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so hoodie first question on transparency gurus and furus I mean what
motivated you to join kall and and the second part is has it
benefited you personally or does it benefit anything with Clover
with Clover with Clover trading yeah so one of the way way that we
wanted to differentiate ourselves amongst the other educational
trading rooms is to be 100% transparent I don't believe you can
learn from someone unless you actually see their traits and you kind
of get the confidence to know that it's possible so Kito was a
really nice uh program or or
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use case for Clover because it allowed us to be verfied by
third party uh but again some that's not affiliate with Clover
at all and so our students or the people that are interested in
learning from us can actually see our trades our Equity curves our
risk reward ratios and can actually make that that educated decision
of is this someone that you believe in that can actually educate you
and take you to the next level and without a company like kinfo
it's hard to really show the public that you are profitable
because you can hide trades or you can only post your best trades on
Twitter and leave out all the ugly I mean you
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see it all the time right I'm not really someone that
posts traits I don't really care about showing off to Twitter
about my loses or my wins but I am 100% on Kino my accounts are
there and it allows my fos to backtrack what I'm saying and I
think it helps with the learning process so it's really
difficult for a new Trader because it's it's like a a
swarm of people run into ATT track the new Trader to try and Mentor
them so with all these self-proclaimed gurus what qualities should
someone look for in the right mentor and what red flat should
someone avoid to avoid the furu yeah um it's tough because I
think
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it it it revolves around having some kind of wreath on a
character I I I like to say like if he needs to pass you or she
needs to pass the millionaire test okay do they care about how they
they present themselves you know do they work out do they eat
healthy do they socialize do they not have a good time are they
social you know social people I mean all that kind of matters so
first of all are they likable you know um and that that's just
you're like judging a book by the cover and you kind of have to
do that at the beginning because we're dealing with internet
personalities right so do
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they jive with their their inner personal life like does that
someone you want to Aspire to be is that and generally like that
would lead me to someone that I think is relatively successful or
they have good discipline or or good routines and you're going
to need that whether you're a guru and and stop treating or
anything you need routines and disciplines across life and and then
the next thing is what do they trade um you know for me my my main
person I looked up to was Tim gratani it's because I really
wanted to short first red days and he pretty much created the
textbook for first red days so he was you know
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not only that I like the way that he presented himself but
also I really lik the way that he traded I liked his um transparency
where you could actually see how much money he was making he
wasn't [ __ ] footing around he was you know making 80k in a
day sometimes uh if not more if not less it was just really inspired
it and I said okay I want to be more like that guy and so
that's why I found Tim grani and that's what led me to be
to be to be profitable yeah no I absolutely love those uh gratani
webinars back in the day as well and they were amazing yeah
unbelievable and and
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I don't know how relevant they are today I'd
imagine it's always relevant because history is always going to
repeat you think they're still relevant a lot of that education
to take away even as mind yeah I mean look if you're looking at
like GameStop the other day and you have like a stock that's on
a third Green Day gapping down for the first time has a conference
call later in the day or webinar you know media sell the news event
and that's all you know A+ type of Tim gratani setup where you
had you know again I kind of just said it but third Green Day
gapping down sell the news event yeah he's going
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to want to go in and shortcut that is relevant today
absolutely and and that I guess that takes us nicely on RoR and
kitty and uh furus and pumpas in the market do you think these furus
and pumpas uh have a more positive are more negative impacts on the
market overall and it's sucks because I think my my opinion on
this is very personal and I don't maybe maybe it's not
true for the entirety of the market I think they're great I
think Pumpers again I don't know about the entirety of the
market just for my perspective I think Pumpers bring opportunity you
know I had a great May and that's because of you know
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a phenomenal trade between gme AMC and and and ffid um and if
you know how to trade patterns instead of drinking the kud you can
find opportunity within this huge volle cycle that would not have
been there if R didn't start tweeting but that those
opportunities wouldn't have been there right so for me
it's really good because it brings in big volume brings in Big
Range um maybe it's a horrible ticker I mean we could talk
about Zach Morris pumps from back in the day and cdii was one of the
biggest trades I had from the previous years because I know
it's CDI is and I know he's pumping so I can be on the
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right side of this chest match um but if you are a noice
coming into the market and the only reason you've come into the
market is because you know of a very Kitty well you do stand to lose
a lot of money if gme doesn't go where it needs to go and you
putting your belief in again some internet face uh is probably not
good and I think that there's more people that are that
narrative than they are my narrative which is like okay bring the
opportunity bring the volume bring the volatility I want to trade
that whereas I think a lot of the newer people get stuck in that and
then they become if
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it's a zero St game my win if their their their loss do
you have a a favorite Poma or do you have a most hated Poma of foro
I can name a lot of people but I think are Pumpers I think
there's a lot of Pumpers out there some of them are my friends
unfortunately friends unfortunately friends unfortunately and I
think my favorite is Bing Kitty though I mean he really kind of
stolen the show he's the most baly out of all of them I mean
the GU you only have one sequel right you only have one sequel you
only come back from making a $30 million trade and what if the guy
do he
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takes a $200 million position like that is exactly what you
need to do in order to be the legend that you off and that's
why he's my favorite bumper because sure Zach Morris made some
money but just think royan Kitty did it in an epic way and whether
he wins on J or loses I just I respect it you know that that's
a lot of money to put on the line publicly yeah I mean I think what
the one thing that I would like to see I can't speak for Kino
but it would be nice to see RoR and kitty or or zag on for
don't don't don't know if it'll ever happen
don't know
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treat from from brory P they g& four years ago and GM
today uh we'll get to some uh we'll finish on some trading
advice for some new for some new Traders so do you have a best first
setup for a new trade at the the the land I think the first thing a
Trader needs to learn is the life cycle of a stock that is hot okay
like the volatility like what what is generally going to happen
during just like Peaks and waves and then it's about finding
that individual day that you understand the most maybe it's the
start of it the first greed day where the volume comes in maybe
it's the peak where
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the volume exhausts itself maybe it's you know more
towards the backside where it's bouncing off the lows or you
know make it a lower high to the bigger resistance or maybe
it's when it falls off a cliff and no one's interested
right there's generally these there's a framework is what
I'm trying to illuminate on that a stock that is in play or is
being hyped up or has a forward looking Catalyst and it has tons of
volume and interest it's going to go through these waves of
emotions and psychological patterns that present themselves in
Candlestick charts so first you have to be able to identify like a
stock is doing this because most people are
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watching the wrong stocks you need to get your eyes on the
right stocks once you're watching the right stocks then
it's like okay what can we do from here um again I think you
have to understand the whole framework to understand which specific
day that you want to attack for me personally in the freight workk I
love the first R day I really do I think it's the most obvious
to kind of uh point out and it's got a really high win rate um
but there are other parts of that cycle that I think are great too
you know first grade days are good for beginners uh breakouts can be
really good uh if you
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know how to track them and do them like in a very disciplined
way um but yeah I think first and foremost get your eyes on the
right stop right stop right stop do you have any other kind of
general advice for someone who's absolutely new to the game
anything that you might say like clo trading what what do you say to
the new guys when they come through the door to get them started
anything about risk management risk management risk management or
yeah so the first thing we start to tell people is to scan for big
percent gors trading volume those are going to be the stocks that
are in play those are the active
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stocks and then the next thing we kind of tell people is
focus on dollar risk so I don't care if I'm risk being I I
focus on dollar risk and consistent risk it's a marriage of the
two so so let's say I have a setup um and I want to risk X doll
on it well sometimes I'll be risking 30 cents sometimes
I'll be risking a $150 and whether it's 30 cents or a $150
I still want to lose that X dollar amount I want that to be very
consistent so it doesn't really matter what the net difference
between the two different plays are I want to be sized in
consistently with respect to Dollar
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risk and then you're going to start to understand once
you start to do that different plays that offer different risk
reward ratios some may be better built than others some intraday may
be better built than others and you start to be able to qualify okay
this one's so wide that if I have my consistent risk at the end
of the day it's not going to be one to one whereas this one
might be somewhere in that sweet spot where if I'm getting in
I'll lose one R but if I win I'll make three R and now I
have a one to three risk reward ratio um so I think that's most
important is learning how
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to be consistent about your your position sizing yeah know
that makes sense and I think I think you kind of covered a little
bit of risk management there could you talk talk a little bit like a
lot of people are wanting to get into stats and Data Tracking
because a a lot of good Traders a lot of professional Traders track
stats and talk about a little bit on Twitter so how does someone
start with that I think you start with a very general idea right uh
for Gap gapers is like the easiest one for me to talk about right
the first thing that I'm looking for is like what what what
percent Gap do I
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want to see do I want to see 50% gappers do I want to see
100% gappers do I want to see 200% gappers like what what field do I
want to be playing in and then once I'm in that field I'm
doing other very rudimental uh um statistical work like what is the
average open to higher debt how much do I expect these to spine if I
put my stop loss somewhere stupidly wide is it going to touch me or
is at the end of the day I'm going to have a winning result and
that's kind of how I play with stats it's just like what
what is once I have the foundation of the
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idea what can I expect are likely intraday movements and then
how can I position myself as best as I can within that General
understanding of of what to expect does that answer the question no
no makes absolute full sense I think it's a lot of golden
nuggets it's going to be very useful to people on the on the
call I think that pretty much wraps it up Hy unless you've got
any final thoughts uh or anything you want to say about Clover
trading just just to wrap is no I mean look been an honor and
pleasure talking to you Stephen it's good to see you uh you
guys know where to find me Clover trading.
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or Mike udie on my on my Twitter or Instagram um that's
where we teach about stocks make watch list do webinars and if you
guys want to learn about small cat trading that's where you can
find us but other than that um it's just been good talking to
you well guys just wait one second I just do want to remind you all
the center point Edge offering is available to everyone we've
got the link just down below in the the description check it out and
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today we welcome P I had made about two of the 5 million from
just shorting what people call like the first red day setups who
sits in fourth place on Kino's alltime Kino's alltime
Kino's alltime leaderboard and that on at its peak I was down
about half a million you have to trade small size with and almost
Tinker with almost everything like you can't have the light
without the dark you know you can't have the the real people
who are really trying to teach without the ones who are trying to
scam you and like welcome back everybody today we welcome Kyle
we're gonna discuss his trading strategies the importance of
Industry transparency and uh a
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few of his top tips for new Traders but first I just want to
remind everyone you can get in for pro and pro plus free for the
first month all you have to do is log in click upgrade and
you'll start accessing the advanced reports and analy analytics
by your trades but uh first kale how are you how's life good
been a while good what's going on thanks for having me on this
is uh is a I like I like uh I like the the concept here on the
podcast of all the people are on KFI that's cool I like it so
happy to be here yeah I dude I mean you're you're in an
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elite club not not only of top Traders but you're an
elite club top traders that are willing to be transparent and show
every trade so that's that's props to you as well but uh
abely thanks dude you're hovering around the 5 million Mark
which is absolutely crazy because I and we're just talking
about before I was with you when you came when we when we're
learning together we started at a similar time can I just ask you
what are the core patterns that you've leveraged to reach this
to reach this Milestone um so about so the one of the things that I
always like liked to track but never really did was like how much
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am I making per setup I would do like sectors like listed or
of DC or long or short but I wasn't as detailed in like
specifically this pattern how much is it making me um but about two
to three years ago I finally sat down and went through it all um and
I just update every like quarter every couple months and by the time
of last year I had made about two of the 5 million um from just
shorting what people call like the first red day setup so a ticker
running two three four five green days in a row you know has never
gone red or closed red and is up one two 300%
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you know in that runup that first red day or kind of catching
that first sign of weakness uh has been predominantly I mean guess
what what 40% of of my career um and then then the no one even comes
close I don't think I even have another setup that is even over
a million yet um that one by far is is over is over two on its own
so um that is definitely the biggest the second biggest is got to be
me shorting pumps but it's not the like the sketchy China
liquidation pumps that are really popular it was the old school like
OTC pump and dumps um the the um the wol of Wall
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Streets if you would call them like the old like the ones
before people even knew could see charts and they still exist
they're at such a smaller scale now cuz the OTC market just
like really cracked down on them but I I made a lot of good money
early on uh shorting those as well so those two probably add up to
about half my career right there um so yeah it's crazy cuz if
you have the Mantra is where people are saying ah just keep it
simple just keep it stupid simple and I mean when I think
you've made couple of million from short shorten the first red
day just tracking the metrics of what's
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it open What's it close how much percent is it up
initially is it basically just tracking those metrics and and and
adapting with the pattern or it so that's the one area where I
I I lack I never have really tracked the um statistics behind the
actual setup like what's the average run that it has
what's the average red dat it has it's it's been so
ingrained in terms of of like an art for me where it's you know
if I if I if it's up anywhere between 1 to 200% I'm
expecting a 10 to 20% Rend day if it's up you know maybe 3 to
500% I'm thinking maybe it can give us a
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30% red day kind of IDE like kind of a scale um for me
it's it's just a lot of indicators of to find that first
red day you know move is you know is it the first time it's
going red right or is it the first time it hasn't morning
spiked if it's gapped up every single day but on day five or
day four it's gapping down well I have to assume like this is
the first Trend sh shift that's going to give me the best
solids of AED day happening so it's it's I'm sure
there is a very technical statistical approach to it I have just not
personally done it and it just been
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a group of I would say maybe 10 to 15 indicators of like does
it have this does it have that almost like a checklist right
it's gapping up gapping down you know what kind of what's
the volume looking like um you know is it may it does it have a
morning Spike this morning and the last three times it didn't
or vice versa um things like that and so every every Runner has its
own characteristics and trying to find the the way it moves and when
it stops doing those characteristics is like the shift that
it'll have from going all green to then red so so it's
almost inition based on lots and lots of
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patent recognition is it like last I did to great I mean yeah
I mean I I don't even want to I mean let's say let's
say I made 2 million shorting first red days I I don't even
want to think about the the first red days that I missed the first
red days that I watched to learn the first red days that I watched
that I wasn't even around trading but I watch I I watched
videos and and and episodes from people who traded first red days in
5 10 years ago before I even started trading um so yeah just just
probably thousands of sharts over and over and over again for sure
is is
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definitely contributed to that absolutely that's
interesting and what you say that your trading strategy has changed
much from when you started trading compared to when you're
trading now what's changed um yeah when I started it was
definitely it was definitely simpler you know when I first started
and and made my first few hundred grand it was really just four to
five setups um now you know eight years in it's it's I
have a probably a handful of 10 to 12 that I can make money on um I
wouldn't necessarily say that's a good thing you know and
sometimes sometimes in some ways I get a little bit too um over
Diversified where I you know
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I might try to focus on one setup but the reality is I should
have honed in on maybe the tried and true setup over here on my
other screen right um so getting two to spread thin can be a problem
at times when the Market's hot um but the setups like the first
red day is is typically the same that it was when I first started it
really is um there could be some nuances here and there like
sometimes the more overextended Gap Downs than than not like I think
in this market there's very few of them in my opinion whereas
back then there was a lot of them um there's there's a few
ways
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they've adapted where instead of instead of having red
days they're sometimes having like red candles where like if
they Gap up too much and they've Gap so big that the odds of
them selling off into like the red green level and then going even
lower than that is sometimes slim to none sometimes so sometimes
they'll Gap up huge and then sell off all the way to red green
and a lot of people traders who are used to it the first red they
think like oh it's going to go red like is the time to short it
but it actually ends up being the bottom for the day and then the
next day it's actually r
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on the day so there's some modifications but I think the
overall principles of of of finding those indicators of whether like
I said just what I bring for no morning Spike versus morning Spike
Gap up versus gap down you put enough of those together I you know
for me the first R day has been fairly s similar if not more similar
than not um and so that that's really and in terms of that I
get to answer your question I haven't hasn't changed that
much um you know not as much as people would think yeah now one of
the things that immediately come to M because my biggest problem
ever is being too early on
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every single short possible think main problem is I'm
almost early and it's a commentary of loads of Traders like
that's why 95% of Traders lose because they're try and
find the top and I'm just wondering because I saw that loss
that you took on ffi on May 16th was that a case of being early or
was that something else that was the the case of every rule you
could possibly have be broken um there was there's a few things
um so one so to answer your first point yes it I was ungodly early
uh secondly I was just insanely convicted right like I I can have a
high level of conviction when plays I think
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demanded or when there's enough indicators for me to
think that hey this is really high odds of working um but timing is
everything and my timing was so like it it could have been Polar
Opposites of your timing was way off and you had the most conviction
so it was like it was complete po opposites and of course when the
timing's off it doesn't matter how convicted you are
because the fact that it's like at 50 cents now it's
literally where I thought it was going to go it's just the
timing I was two to three weeks early um and so because of that I
you know well that that was the one factor two
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I was already frustrated during the week cuz I had not made
as much as I would have liked previously on gme am see I still made
good money you know it's it's nothing to complain or or be
uh spoiled about but it just in terms of like a a level or like a a
a performance tracking idea I was like you know oh I could have done
better like I I was getting too hard on myself as it was and so I
thought ffi was going to be that that ticker that was going to like
you know recharge my week of like yeah this is the this is the
ticker that's going to make up
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for the Mis profits right or whatever whatever do kind of
stories you tell yourself right um and then on top of that you know
I've always people who watch my any one of my videos I've
always preached or talked about having some kind of last B Resort
whether it's a Max stop whether it's the broker doing it
for you or you doing it for yourself and for me I thought I was good
enough to do it for myself and the reason why that was is because
the moment I implemented that for myself I had come across that that
proponent a handful of times maybe half a dozen times where it was
like hey you're hitting
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your back stop like it's time to get out and I I
respected it I I did my my own self my own finger my own button I
said I'm done right and I did that for almost going I think
almost two years a year and a half and so I thought to myself like
you know I was better than that why do I need that I've
I've proven even having the level itself one gets me very not
at all close to it and even when I do get close to it I I I respect
it um which goes back to the timing and the conviction where
it's like I had I had so mistimed it
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but then such a the highest level of conviction or
stubbornness at that point that you could have that like that's
the moment where I needed I needed a broker back stop I needed
someone to step on my shoulder and say hey I'm going to get you
out cuz you can't do yourself um so that was a huge learning
for me and obviously in hindsight it's easy to say or it's
like of course you should have had that and yeah that's my
learn that's that's what that's the Learning lesson
that it cost me but um but yeah for a long time I thought I
didn't need it because I was disciplined enough but it all it
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takes is one you know concoction of of a scenario or context
that that causes you to not do that uh and that that was it for me
so it end being a way worse loss than it should have had I had
something in place like that or Beyond just myself right no but I
mean full full credit to the transpar on kall on the YouTube channel
which we'll get to like there's it's a very very very
rare VI very very very rare VI who will who'll document the
losses as well as the wins all publicly but um I just wanted to talk
a little bit about your risk management uh before we'll get
into a
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little a few questions on transparency and furu some more fun
fun questions but um I looked at your profit curve and you've
never never had a devast nothing devastating there's no like
you see people's Pro Main's a perfect example see
people's KES that go like this and then they go like that and
then the recover recover recover then they go like that I've
never seen that in your profit C so like what is your secret to to
risk to risk to risk management I mean the the FF certainly gives
that for that big probably the biggest in my career FF I I always
say ffi is the loss that I I probably should have taken
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a long time ago but for whatever reason of of skill luck
circumstance I have avoided quite a few of big losses um one in par
so again I lost you know nearly 400 Grand on F of um I lag the
ticker IL a I remember and this was before I implemented a you know
a personal Knack stop this was like I just we'll just see how
it goes for most tickers that I get stubborn with um and that on at
its peak I was down about half a million um and that one I got away
with like just just straight up I have I have no excuses I I I I
gambled and I and
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I dodged a bullet right it's it's still and to this
day it's still embarrassing but it's because it could have
been way different but it is what it is right um so that could have
been that could have been one that didn't that did happen
didn't um I'm wondering I know Kimo has the trades there
but I did take a big loss on HKD um and that at least looks like
somewhat of a blip but I also recovered fairly quickly from that one
so maybe when you look at the big picture of learning curve it
doesn't show it um so I've had I've had my fair share
of of of punches in the face so
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to speak um but in terms of the long-term trend trend trend
uh you know I think I think it's a it's a mix of
there's there's defense and there's offense right and
you could have and you kind of need both right you could have a
really good offense and a lot of Traders do have really good offense
to where you can take huge huge losses and then never even see the
the the real damage of them because you just immediately made it
right back a perfect example of this is is in 2021 um I took my
first I guess new biggest loss of the time in February 2021 um I
lost $90,000 trying to dip
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by um what was the scker mmnff right um one of the weed plays
in the weed sector and it was one of those ones one of those rare
you know in scenarios where like I just I just was so convicted that
it was going to mounce and it didn't and So eventually I cut it
lost like 90 grand however I only lost 50 CR 50k on the day so I was
already up 40K elsewhere and then by the end of that week I was up
like aund something Grand I did six figure a week after having a
$90,000 loss so when you you know so when you have so much
opportunity or such good offense
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because there are so many opportunities in that market you
look at you know even longer than a day and it looks like it
didn't even take that loss right you had a six-figure week you
don't even you don't even see a nearly a sixf figureure
loss in that week um vice versa if you have if you don't have a
strong of an offense maybe that's for the case for most Prof
unprofitable Traders trying to find an offense trying to find
something that makes them profitable you have to have a good defense
and that's why I think it's really good that Traders lose
first before they win because you have to cult like if you want
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to survive long term and I get say this for myself even now
because again I've gotten lucky and and F is a is a test or
Testament to be like hey you still need to work on your defense um
is is putting in risk management and that that's a that is a
that is a level of every trade you go into you have a trade plan of
like if it hits this price I stop out um it has a a number valued
behind it like if I stop out how much am I willing to lose um a stop
out value Beyond just one loss but like five losses what does five
losses in a row
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mean for you is that going to be you know 5% of your account
10% of your account half your account you need to know those things
CU because if you lose half your account on five trades losses in a
row like you're going to be losing your account a lot of a lot
of times right unless you're winning 99% of the time which is I
think is almost impossible as a Trader like it's going to
happen so you it's like it's not just one loss it's
the string of losses it's the it's the one bad you know
it's again it's a string of a thousand their deaths by
thousand thousand Cuts it's the Black Swan
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of like if you don't cut like what are you going to do
which in this case is having a either the discipline to do it which
I thought I did but I didn't um and then B having a broker or
someone else do it for you right um I think those those those things
really gives you a good foundation for having a good defense and
then part of a good defense is knowing when to even have an offense
right some of the best defense is just not trading right um and
that's maybe that's go back going back to your question
about um how has my trade changed I think that's the one thing
I wish
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I got a little bit better back to which was there was plenty
of days where like I just if I didn't feel like trading I just
didn't just didn't or if anything wasn't setting up I
just didn't take a trade I was okay with that I've
I've I've had a feeling the last maybe year or so that
like I haven't had that feeling in a long time I've always
felt like every day I'm trading and there there's
definitely still days I take off or don't trade at all because
there's nothing to set up but there's definitely a bit of
more um and I don't know why an itch to and maybe this is
because it's
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I'm over like I said I'm over Diversified I have
too many setups where I could always find something to trade versus
being okay with just not trading at all so there's that aspect
too of just like someone the best defense is not even trading
it's just be break even you know so yeah just I just wonder cuz
it's like once you've made so much money do you have a
feel like now look I've made enough money I'm set I'm
okay or is there a greed component where like once I've made so
much I have to keep on making more and get to the next level and the
next level there there's a little bit of
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both um there is an aspect of like you know what I could stop
and just earn interest and live off that the other part of me
isn't necessarily greed of more profits is the greed of of
maybe knowing what kind of Lifestyle I want longterm and so for me
at 28 years old knowing you know I want to still buy a nice home I
still want to have kids I want those kids to be set up you know not
for life like they're not going to be trust friend babies but
like I want them to make sure they do well and and be supported um
and like at 28 you know I I don't really
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you know people think that you know you have enough but like
with inflation I mean by the time I'm 50 my 5 million saved or
guess after taxes 3 million whatever it is saved plus it plus
earning interest like isn't going to isn't going to cut it
you know um so maybe that's my my curse of being a little too
forward thinking but I just think about that like at 30 years my the
money I known is not going to mean anything I have to I got to do a
little more you know um so that's that's where my
head's at no and I 100% agree the the first time I ever made
money the
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first time I the first thing I did is buy an apartment and
thank God because I started losing as soon as I as soon as I bought
that apartment I started losing again and the one Saving Grace that
I've got is like I'm a complete Maniac in trading this so
thank God when I had a good run I put it into something solid and
I've got that forever do you know what I mean so thank God but
uh K I just want to jump into a few questions about transparency
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we're back uh kale one of my favorite things about
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you H and probably most people's favorite thing about
you is the amount of free education you give on the internet
I've been seeing YouTube videos from I think 2019 so what
drives you to keep giving all of this free material free education
away all this time um a big motivator for me of making those like
monthly recap videos was Tim grani he was one of the first people I
watched become like in my learning curve watch him review his month
publicly like in a video and I was like wow that's really sick
um but I never really got around doing it until 2019 I think yeah
some some in the middle of 2019 was my
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first video actually opening up about like making a video
publicly um that's a good question why do I still do it well
one I mean I I I enjoy being a a uh a contributor to the community
right a community is not a community isn't Community without
people who who are in it and willing to talk and Converse and share
and and and communicate you know um so there that's one aspect
two I I I enjoy I do have a passion for teaching and and helping
people learn right um I think trading is obviously a primary passion
above that but at the same time it's like going to conferences
seeing people learn seeing people come
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up to me and tell me that like what I taught them helped them
make money like that's you know that's incredible
it's awesome that that I can pass down information that I that
has been passed down for me and just keep that cycle going um in
terms of education and then thirdly this a selfish reason is like it
helps me you know making videos of me talking about and reflecting
on my trades like I will I will actually go back and watch my own
Recaps I will you know um in in many ways it's therapeutic
helps me get over losses or learn lessons more effectively it also
then be able to watch back and relearn
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those lessons again um so there's really there's
really no the only negative I can think about why I would want to
stop which I have thought about it's just it just gets tiring
sometimes you know putting together an hourong videos my my my my
throat is sore every time I make those videos so in terms of energy
spent like yeah but that's what life is life is spending my
energy in calories and whatnot so it's it's positives are
overwhelmingly more than negatives so n makes makes F sense and and
uh why did you join kin for and um is there an advantage by you
joining kin for for the Clover trading guys to join k
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for what's what's the motive um I do think if at
least in my particular case like if if you want to be an educator or
um someone who's willing to stand and say Hey I want to teach
other people it certainly doesn't hurt to be like hey
here's my verified results you know um whether it is through
some people like tax returns some people like broker statements
whatever it is you know for me I like kfo keeps it easy um they
upload all my trades for me I don't have to mainly do it myself
kind of thing um so that's at least for me and then secondly I
do track my tra personally but I
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always love getting a you should call like a second opinion
but I love making sure my numbers are correct and having a third
party like Kino pull that for and be like hey here's your
numbers and I could double check like y my numbers are the same you
know that's Mak sure I'm doing it right um so yeah those
those are definitely some of the main reasons in terms of for rules
for rules yeah in terms of second F and gur in terms of f rules uh
is there any red flags you would point at out to stop new tras
falling into the Trap of following auru um yeah I think if if
someone's if
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someone's shouting at the top of their lungs about how
much they win you know or not even how much they win but like how
often they win like I have got a I've got a 95% R rate I do not
lose you know that would be a huge red flag for me just cuz in the
eight years I've been trading in the community I I don't
know a Trader who who who's proven I mean again they they can
exist but just knowing how hard trading is in general like the I
even the thought of having a win rate that high makes me think then
why aren't you like a billionaire if you can win that
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often that much and you're that good like what are we
what are we missing here you know um so that for me is a little bit
gray are of like that seems kind of off um I I think the market has
in general has faded away from the flashiness right I think maybe 5
to 10 years ago flashing Lambos was like oh cool now it's kind
of flipped of like that's sketchy um but again if if if they
have verified results somewhere then you can think it look sketchy
all you want but if they have proof then it's like oh well then
I guess I'm wrong and they're right or they they you know
um
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stuff like that you know uh I'm sure there's other
ways I I think there's other ways of like if if someone's
more even more in detailed like if if there's someone who does
a lot of videos but never shows videos of them actually entering or
exit or trading whether it be live Trad or like a recording of a
live trade you could use that as a reason or think like hey you know
I want to see them actually take a live trade in front of me CU I
think there's a lot of I think there's a lot of social
media accounts that will always show live trading but you never
actually see them either a
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enter or or B exit it's always one or the other
that's never both you know that could always relieve red flags
of like where's the where's the full trade um but yeah
those are just some things that immediately popped in my head of of
S me some red flags to look out for that's interesting I I
wanted to ask you do you think do you think there's benefits to
having furus in the industry despite it being ethically not moral um
that's like a philosophical question um because my first yeah
my immediate answer is almost a a yes not because I not because
it's a good thing at all because I agree it's bad but
it's
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almost like a you can't have like you can't have
the light without the dark you know you can't have the the real
people who are really trying to teach without the ones who are
trying to scam you and like maybe maybe some people who have gotten
scammed have actually then found the real people because
they've gotten scammed I mean but again justes do do the do the
furus or the scammers have to live for in order to people find like
that's a no either so I don't I don't know I would
say Obviously more time more times not they do bad than good so in
general they don't need to be there but there is
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a there's a yin and yang to it almost that I um feels
weird to say but it's it's definitely there you know so
who is are good for the volume and the volatility I mean I'm
sure You' made a lot of money profiting off forers and
it's not a bad thing it's not a bad yeah if they bring
more people into the market just overall awareness of trading and
what it can do for people you do it right like yeah it's
it's almost like marketing for the market it's it's
keeping people realize that it's it's a thing it's
here so totally do you have a favorite furu or do you have a least
favorite furu
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or do you have or do you just want to not answer that
question no I I'll answer but my answer is I I don't
really fall I don't really look into other people like I'm
never really one to trade off of someone else's like if I know
like hey a chat room just bought this I'm not really going to
then short it or buy it I might know it exists but there's
never really been a a setup or a a frequency of mine that I am
consistently trading off of someone else's trades so you know
I'll I'll try to keep to myself the best you know and when
it comes to those kind of trades
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or those ideas so no no that that makes a lot of sense I
understand what you're saying there and and then in terms of a
final few questions to close up just on uh new questions for new
Traders so for example you're in Clover trading someone says
what's the best first setup I should learn do you have an
answer do you have a recommended go-to first setup um I mean
I'm biased because it's the most profit which is first red
day but learning the first red day may not be the best for a
beginner especially on the short side a lot of people will steer
away from the short side as a beginner because there's
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a little bit more more rules bit more like a little bit more
nuances to it than just longing um I would say again I it's
tough because I I did I guess the again back to your question about
how has things change I was definitely a primarily OTC based Trader
earlier on and now OCS are just not what they once were
unfortunately I wish they were I wish they still popped up but they
just don't you know so what once was me trading otc's 90%
of the time and only 10% of the time trading like listed or NASDAQ
now it's probably taking a full and 80 if not even further
where I'm probably only trading
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otc's maybe 5% of the time and 95% are listed so my
natural response be oh I learn like an OTC breakout CU those were
those were beautiful back in the day the problem is they just so
rarely happen I think the last one I last OTC breakout I traded was
like Fanny May and the last breakout before that was was years ago
so that's really tough I mean I guess breakouts on the listed
side could be good but again they're they're much more
trickier um I find them be less profitable very personally um you
know and that's the tough part as a begin that's the thing
I would say to the beginner is is you
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have to trade small size with and almost tinger with almost
everything you almost have to just take a broad net and just see
what sticks and see what you gravitate towards and then narrow down
from there and it sucks and that's why I always say to newer
Traders don't trade too big too early because you you you
can't afford to have a wide net and try to test and Tinker
everything and then lose your entire account it's like you
almost need to like if you have a $5,000 account you got to lose
like $5 a trade just like see what sticks and then finally you might
find a winner that makes you 25 bucks like
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five ex you're willing to risk okay what is that setup
like let me dive into the like let H have have um have the market or
whatever Edge you're going to find pull you in don't try
to force it if that makes sense but again you have to be in the
Market and Test things to kind of try to catch that that fish so to
speak to catch that pull um if that makes sense so no no it makes
full sense I guess you can take inspiration as well you can watch
what you're doing you can watch what someone else is doing I
think ah that that looks that looks quite nice and then you
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see it happen in real life and then you make money and then I
suppose you can find it that way as well um the last question I
halfway today kale uh it's been a pleasure to you you always
give the best most articulate answers the best sound B so really
really appreciate your time but uh last question is if um what is in
your experience of mentoring people what's the biggest most
common mistake that all of these Traders are making and what's
your advice for them to overcome it the biggest the biggest the
biggest mistake um probably a a few come in my head but the the
first one is thinking that losses are bad
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um that small losses are bad big losses are bad right that
that that takes you out of the game but uh the sooner you could
Embrace a loss I think the better but again you have to embrace it
in the right way which is having having control over your losses
right you're just taking uncontrollable losses left and right
all of a sudden in a two weeks you're down your half your
account you know that creates the biggest mistake right um if if you
can stay Nimble and and just survive your learning curve off losing
very very little you're going to be that much better off and
set for when you do get out of the
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learning curve and then you can recover all those losses very
quickly and go on from there right when I when I think back to my my
career it's like I started with $6,000 E Trade account account
account lost about 4,400 or 4,300 at at its bottom and recovered all
that within six months had I lost more let's say I blew my
whole entire account and then I refunded and and lost a whole
another account I'm down like 12 Grand I mean I I at that point
not even had money to refund right and that totally could have been
possible if I wasn't willing to lose very small and accept very
small losses very earlier on
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right if I my average loss turned into two three 400 bucks
every single time you know I wouldn't be here um so I think
that's and then that comes back to what we were talking about
earlier about defense like really formulate a good defense very
early on because you know you need an offense to be profitable and
be to be exceptionally profitable but if you even want to stay in
the game you have to have a defense you know even if it if it means
at some level having a defense be able to take small losses and just
keep your account alive in the beginning um I think that's that
that's that's whether you're going
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to Sur you know survive your first year or not you know so I
think the the whole message of the whole podcast that I've
taken away from you is this offense defense because I think it opens
the door to more traders to think like look if you don't have
the best defense and you don't have the absolute best
discipline you can really really work hard on your offense and you
might you might just be okay with extremely good offense but if
you're not the most creative Problem Solver patent recognition
person he could just have an amazing defense and just think ah I
don't make a lot but I definitely don't lose a lot so
right
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I think that that's one of the key takeaways for me
definitely um last question just a random one what do you think you
would be doing if you weren't a Trader because it's a bit
of a random thing that you turn into a multi-millionaire Trader
right just stumble yeah just um when so uh that's a good
question when I before I switched my before I found trading
let's say there's there's two things I think would
have been doing um one is let's let's say I found trading
but I W for whatever reason I just couldn't I couldn't
make it work I I couldn't find success I I tried it it just
didn't happen for me
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um one of the things I thought about being was maybe not a
financial adviser but like someone who maybe was on the back end of
financial advising so like if we had if you know if there was a high
net worth client wanted you know his firm to buy him you know a $10
million some stock I thought it would be cool to be the trader who
like makes those purchases for them B made like a broker maybe like
a highend broker that like makes those purchases for a client I
thought that would be cool because at least I'm still trading
but not for myself some degree um I thought about financial advising
but I
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realized I really only like managing my finances not mostly
other people's um and then the thing let's say I
didn't find trading at all and and I didn't find the the
the whole just speculation of the markets at all um I actually had a
a mechanical engineering degree for an emphasis in bioengineering so
like I was thinking that I was going to make prosthetic legs you
know or like engineer like a prosthetic arm or knee for that that
was kind of the vision I never even got close to actually doing that
and I probably would have maybe not as liked as much as I thought I
would at the time because I I quickly realized
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I didn't really like engineering this is when I first
started college um but those were those were some ideas in my head
before I actually found profitable trading was was those those three
or those two or three ideas so maybe I'd be doing one of those
maybe if you if you lost your knee I might have been replacing it
replacing it replacing it so okay kle uh thank you so much for your
time love speaking to you H I always appreciate what you give back
to the community honestly and I've watched a ton ton ton of
those uh YouTube videos um so thanks for coming on lastly I just
want to quickly today's sponsor and
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In
this episode, we sit down with Dom, a top trader who ranks #8 on
kinfo’s all-time leaderboard with an impressive $1.7 million in
verified trading profits.
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Dom is not only a successful trader but also a mentor at
Clover Trading, where every mentor's credentials are verified
on kinfo.
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Join us as Dom shares insights into his risk management
process, reveals his most profitable setup, and offers invaluable
advice for new traders looking to get started and succeed.
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What You'll Learn:
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Learn how Dom achieved $1.7M in all-time leaderboard profits.
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Tips on mastering one trading pattern and cutting out the noise.
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The significance of transparency and using tools like Kinfo.
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Dom's favorite multi-day breakout pattern and how to leverage
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Essential risk management strategies for all traders.
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The journey from unprofitable to consistently successful.
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Key Takeaways:
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Each pattern has a nuance which you need to adapt to
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You have to take trading seriously if you're going to advance
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Data tracking is an integral part in developing a trading edge
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How to grow as a trader and the importance of learning from past
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CHAPTERS:
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00:00 - Intro
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1:23 - Unique Traits of Successful Traders
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5:08 - Favorite Trading Patterns
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8:41 - Secrets to Risk Management
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12:22 - Preventing Excessive Losses
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15:03 - Self-Discipline in Trading
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16:58 - Expecting Losses in Trading
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19:15 - The Clov Trading Story
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20:53 - Sharing Profits on Kinfo
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24:11 - Impact of Pumpers and Dumpers
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28:33 - Biggest Trading Mistake
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32:03 - Managing Trading Emotions
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34:34 - Avoiding Bad Trading Decisions
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38:26 - Challenges for New Traders
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41:50 - Outro
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today we welcome Dom you it really came down to you know
sticking to one pattern who six 1.7 million in all time leaderboard
profits 1.7 is not a not a happy with it yeah no it's not just
studying the patterns it's studying yourself um I think so many
people just don't take it serious take this serious I think
it's hard to know who to trust anymore which is why stuff like
kinfo is really important welcome back everybody today we welcome
Dom who sit near 1.7 million in alltime leaderboard profits is that
correct do that is correct there's should there actually is
more but it's uh ER trade has a funky thing I know we talked
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to Carl about it just how long back they can track and so
we'll just call it 1.7 but before it has said more than that
1.7 is not a not a happy with it yeah no uh we're going to jump
into some questions with Tom to talk about him and his trading see
what lessons you can learn from him a little bit on transparency if
few questions I'm ke to know who your favorite furu might be
and uh and also just some top tips for Traders but just before we
get in I just want to let people know Tino pro and pro plus is now
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Advanced analytics reports all you need to do is log in and
click upgrade uh but Dom for you first first question is you've
made 1.7 million plus million plus million plus more what what are
you doing or what do you have that the 95% the majority of other
Traders don't have and that's why they they they lose yeah
I think it's I think a big one you know is learning from
mistakes learning from other people's mistakes but actually
then making changes based off of those mistakes I think most people
that get started myself included you know I was unprofitable for
about 10 months you know we you do you wouldn't still be there
if you
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weren't doing things positively if you didn't know
the patterns if you weren't making some money um but really
learning from the losses being open and transparent with yourself
writing in a journal whatever it is keeping stats doing something
like info where you know you can actually create an edge for
yourself and for me you know it really came down to you know
sticking to one pattern for probably a little over a year and
cutting out so much of the other stuff that was losing me money at
the end of the day trading is a business and if you continually do
things that lose you more money than you're making you're
never going to be profitable
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U most people do have some sort of strategy that is making
them money and they tend to just have a lot of other stuff on top of
it that they're doing that you know none of the profits really
come toight because they're never really ahead um so for me I
think you know it's just about learning from those mistakes
making actual applicable changes to my trading based off of the
numbers and the analytics and going okay this is what's costing
me money let's cut it out for a month cut it out for three
months and see how we do and then you know maybe it's bringing
in a new pattern studying something different and see
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see how we do with that and then rolling with it I think too
many people want to be a jack of all traits when in reality um I
think it's trades not traits but uh you know I think it's
better to be a master of one and just find something in the market
that you can actually have an edge on and stick to it for a while to
at least get yourself off the ground yeah I think the problem that a
lot of people had main problem that I had is is it's so
difficult to make money that when you finally find a patent or a way
to make money you get kind of hooked
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on it and then when that pattern stops working people
can't let goal I personally couldn't let goal and that
that was where my downfall is but what you're seeing is
you'll constantly tweak constantly adapt and constantly look
for the new the new edges yeah kind of I mean the main patterns that
I trade today are the ones I've been trading since the
beginning um except the main difference for me you know and I can
relate was 2019 I was primarily Trading otc's long bias for the
first two or three years of my career and you I milked it as long as
I possibly could while they were liquid while they were volatile and
then in
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2019 they just shut off and there was just no liquidity there
no eyes there there weren't any runners and I went through
another stretch of you know 6 to n months where I didn't make
any money and I was I had to figure out listed stocks and eventually
morphed a lot of the patterns that I had in terms of breakouts for
screen days for shred days from otc's IND the listed um but at
the end of the day yeah if the pattern that you're trading is
no longer there or it's changed you either have to make changes
understand the different nuances the market is very cyclical so you
know any changes you can make usually
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the the smaller the better the big changes usually take a lot
longer for you to get back on track it's almost like trying to
become profitable again for the first time um but stick with what
you know and you know you know for me it was just translating those
patterns from OTC into listed and there was a lot of differences and
the nuances of the way that listed stocks trade like NASDAQ versus
otc's and that was a big learning curve for me and it probably
will be anytime you switch patterns but stick to where your
strengths are it's very difficult to turn a weakness into a
strength it's better for you to take something you're
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good at and kind of change it into something with a little
more Nuance to that fits something else and then you can you know
become a master of that now makes makes a lot of sense so if you had
a favorite one pattern or the pattern that you feel like you've
made the most money out of it what what's your go-to number one
pattern uh probably a multi-day breakout and I started with otcs
this was the only pattern I allowed myself to trade that eventually
got me profitable because I cut out everything else but that one
pattern which is essentially just all these stocks that we're
watching that people are watching you know pre-market Gap
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is any big Runner that goes on a run for a couple days tops
out like 100 200 300% Plus consolidates for a few days without
breaking that one high that it's set and then looking for
follow through momentum so most of the stocks that come on watch
that people talk about in pre-market are on day ones uh they're
on my list for a bit but most of the time those stocks just fail um
so very few end up making it to that point but the ones that do that
have a lot of volume um that are in the right sectors the right
themes at the right times of the year um they work really well
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and that's where where a lot of my biggest trades have
come from even you know I I went through a stretch in 2022 to 2023
where I was shorting a lot more and getting a little bit too
aggressive with short selling even to this day uh you know theot I
mean multi-day breakout is still my biggest uh profits even per
trade is that kind of a a feel thing or is it a statistics data
thing like where how did you find out the entries the exits where to
get in when to get out which ones work uh I think it's my most
field-based pattern um cuz a lot of it has to do with the
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type of volume that we're seeing is it the right theme
is it working right now we went through stretches of 2022 and 2023
where they didn't work very well um they they worked really
well in recent history here in 2024 um I have data and stats on the
pattern itself but in terms of Entry risk levels is pretty
predefined for me based off of the consolidation I'm watching
these stocks after they've been really volatile so they've
gone from like a dollar to five really craz squeeze shorts and then
maybe they consolidate between five and four for two or 3 days um
what's working really well right now is like one day breakout
so they they
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go on a run they have one consolidation day and then they rip
um and so the RIS level is pretty easy to me it's I kind of
call it the death line that moment when I feel like front
side's kind of O kind of over finally over and then you know
I've kind of tweaked my system over the years so I could stop
buying the actual resistance level because I don't like having
my entry up there where I expect the volume to come in where
there' be the most amount of volatility so I've really
tried to you know that's more of the the biggest art of it to
me is the the entry which is
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you know sometimes early and I don't mind sitting in
stocks for a day or two but just got to be really careful with the
fundamentals and which ones have overnight risk um and then looking
to add into that position as it does break through the through the
through the resistance okay I'm I'm going to come back and
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get more okay so Dom I have heard watching a few other podcasts
about you that you are you've been praised in the past for
having uh strong risk management for being a risk first kind of guy
do
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you have a sort of a secrets to your risk management strategy
oh how how have you got this reputation um you gosh I wish it was as
good as it used to be because I used to wear that on my sleeve be
really proud of it I went through a stretch when I started shorting
these Chinese bumps in 2022 when I didn't when that kind of all
went out the window and I have taken time to kind of redefine it for
myself again but I just I think it really is learning from others
experiences I remember watching Tim grani in the beginning watching
Ducks watching Roland um you know Kellogg learning from people big
losses
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and it always looked so painful and so horrible and it sets
you back months and months if not a year or more and watching people
blow up and exit the game and it just seemed so you know like
manageable like you were in more control than you think like I know
there's the the one-off situations where gaps happen and
offerings happen and slippage happens you know I've had a
couple situations where there wasn't much more I could have
done except think about maybe what I should have done beforehand and
maybe not been in that position maybe not swung overnight but for
the most part cutting a law should never be something you have to
think
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about I think that's one of the first places you should
ever start when it comes to trading I think you should be risking
amount of money at the beginning that you're you know you feel
comfortable losing I don't mean like an account wise but like
$100 a trade $1 a trade $50 something that you have you feel no
emotions when you take that loss because you know I want you to get
to the point where you feel like you're okay losing it for the
potential of the profit that's going to come with you know the
studying the experience and what happens when the patterns work over
over time um but for me it was just
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learning from people's experience and not wanting that
for myself because it's just such a you know draw Downs of any
sort whether it be a gigantic disastrous loss and you just
don't cut a loss and it gets worse and you bag old or you get
squeezed to the short on the short side um or you go through a
stretch where you just have a bunch of bigger than expected losses
and you go through draw Downs it just kills momentum it kills
consistency it's really hard to come back from usually have to
fix your mindset and your brain and so much more of it has to go
into it than you know if it's just a
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one hour loss and you just take it every single time and
it's never a disasterous situation and you're always a
couple trades away from getting back on top um and that's
something I've had to do a lot of over the past year and a half
I sized down significantly since 2023 because I was just kind of all
over the place I didn't trust myself and at the end of 2022
into 2023 because I started to take bigger losses I started to risk
more in the hopes of making more money and scaling up in the game
but the byproduct of that was situations in which I didn't want
to risk I didn't want to lose 5
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grand in the moment so I let it go a little longer maybe I
added to my position and then all of a sudden it turns into a 50k
loss a 60k loss and all of a sudden now you're 20 30 trades
away from getting back to where you were and that can really mess
with your mind and so I just want to encourage people to really
focus on risk management first so it becomes a habit of yours so
it's not something you have to fix when the size gets bigger
because as the money gets bigger you know the disaster situations
become I lost a car I lost a down payment on a house they become
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a lot bigger than just in the beginning when I'm risking
$50 a trade and I lost 500 and I can make that back at my job next
week it becomes much more uh disastrous and risk management really
is and you'll hear from no matter what people trade whether
it's options stocks large caps small caps that's the place
they want you to focus on because longevity in this game is the most
important thing not about how much you can make on any single trade
but how much of it you can keep but I mean what do you say to
someone who I mean you could say it to me cuz I make the same
mistake all
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the time uh it's like you can start trading with just
risking 20 bucks 20 bucks and then you'll have some days where
you win 60 bucks 70 bucks you think great um this strategy works and
it's working right now and all I have to do is not let the one
loss go out of control but then you're down 20 bucks and then
you think that's okay I'm up a little bit on the month and
then you go down 80 bucks and you think well I don't want to
lose 80 bucks and then you go down 200 bucks you think we
that's give three days what advice you give to someone who
keeps risking risking risking
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and they' lost 10K at the end of it because because
obviously everyone's thinking the same thing and it squeezes
and everyone gets basically [ __ ] I think hard stops are a good so
anything that you can do to take it out of your own control until it
becomes normal for you I think hard stops are great I only usually
use them during stretches either when I'm walking away from the
computer which I try to do a lot more often now um either
punishments for yourself uh for a stretch where I got to do a month
of you know I got to be consistent for a month no loss bigger than
if you're risking 20 bucks than
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50 bucks like give yourself a little wigger room for slippage
or a bad Gap overnight or something um but at the end of the day you
just really got to not one no one trade is worth it in terms of like
a profit in terms of a loss at the end of the day none of us look at
our careers and go that one trade is where I I made everything or
that one you know but you heard a lot of people go that one trade is
where I lost everything and no no one trade is worth it it
doesn't matter how convicted you are it doesn't matter you
know the size or the dollar
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loss at that time you know you're only down 20 bucks
I'm only down 100 bucks whatever it is those are the situations
that always get out of control and being able to realize and maybe a
great spot for journaling of really realizing how you felt
throughout the whole process of it was just a one hour loss now
I'm down 100 now I'm down 500 now it's really out of
control um because you don't want to feel that way again and no
one likes the pain of going through that I know we get called
degenerates all the time we're gamblers we're Traders and
any you know um tendency that would get that brings that out of
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us we really want to quiet that down um as quickly as
possible so it doesn't get out of hand and it doesn't
become a habit because just as easily is having good risk management
can become a habit letting it slide and going a little further is is
a habit as well and that is something that eventually does blossom
in terms of you know as you size up and as you grow you see it all
the time these guys who make money for three months six months
they're super solid and then one day they pop in and go oh I
lost all those profits and you don't ever want that for
yourself and sometimes it's just
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as easy as going you know Dominic step whatever I don't
want that for myself I won't allow it and you just either hard
stop or you just just force yourself to do it every single time cut
the loss cuz no one trade is worth it yeah I I think what you said
earlier it really resonated because for me I I would go on runs of
three to three months four months six months seven months profitable
and then and then I would just take a massive loss but the warning
signs are always there where you kind of get away with one then you
get away with another one a little bit more and then and then
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it get it but what you were seeing is like look if you
don't follow your rules you should have a physical punishment
some some kind of punishment that that say I don't know you you
only drink water or you you you you only eat a certain amount of
food until you save the money that you would have spent on takeaways
that cost the loss or something like that but for me what I would do
is take a take a big loss and think I feel sorry for myself so I
drink a bottle of whiskey and like obviously but that's
that's double byad Discipline Do you know what I mean once bad
that's that's double bad
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and um and it comes down it say look you should do a
punishment and if you don't and if you're not willing to
do the punishment then you shouldn't be trading because you
just don't have disciplined displ so don't bother until
you've got the discipline which yeah and that's something
that I think is just it's just a non-negotiable when it comes
to trading and you any other form of business there something else I
like to think about is what if I was working for someone else what
if this was someone else's money what if it was if I was at a
prop firm right that's why I tell one of my students all the
time
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who's made Millions um but goes on these runs of just
tilt and will'll lose so much money so fast I'm like what
if I was your boss what if you know you were trading a bigger
account and you know it was a prop firm or something like what would
you be fired by now would this type of be Behavior get you fired and
if it would then you need to be serious and harsh to yourself to say
this isn't allowed and this is just a non-negotiable if
we're going to trade we follow our rules and the one rule we
should never be breaking is not cutting a loss not adding to a loss
not overtrading
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something to the point where it becomes a 1020 30 to1 R loss
because those are the killers you can play this game a long time um
Break Even or small gains added up slowly until you hit your stride
but what what it's really difficult to do is dig yourself out
of a hole that you just keep digging deeper for yourself for
yourself for yourself yeah and and when I I looked at your winning
percentage on Kim for one I think it's 40% so you're
actually taking more losses than you are gains imagine that for a
job H lost again lost yeah I know it's I tell people uh every
time I take a trade I
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expect to lose on it statistically and it's because I I
focus a lot you know I I did a couple video license earlier this
year just like how to be a good loser how to be really good at
accept every loss you have be okay with it because you know like you
said like the numbers speak for themselves over my career that it
works out for me so I should never fear anyone lost because it
doesn't mean anything in the long run what means anything is
when you pull up by 10 worst trades of all time and you see negative
60k negative 80k negative those are the killers right and so
I'm not afraid to
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be wrong I'm not afraid to lose you know because I focus
so much on risk management I have to focus on risk reward because my
win percentage is so low and that's where I really do think I
shine over the long run is when I'm right I'm really right
and when I'm wrong I'm wrong with one R yeah but it it I
suppose it's also it's not trading for fun because it
can't be fun to take losses all the time and it can't be
fun to wait patiently for a trading no it popped up and I lost again
but but then it's two million probably a mid two million at the
end of the day
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so yeah no yeah and it's you have to know what type of
Traer you are you know I know scalpers and quick day Traders whose
win percentages are 60 or 70% right and but my brain doesn't
think the way theirs thinks in terms of position I'm like oh I
could never sell there I want more I want to see it out play it out
till tomorrow whatever it is so you have to really know what style
fits you are you someone that's going to Old bigger picture
like a day two days 3 days are you in and out with 5 minutes what
what makes you feel good like you just said it some others with
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a 40% win percentage would probably eat them away right I got
most of my days most months are red small usually because I'm
you know really pride myself on being really right on the one to two
plays every month that are there for me that fit my pattern to a t i
size in properly my risk award I can make 10 20 30 to one on it and
all of a sudden you know five losers are gone losers are G 20 losers
gone or I'm way ahead and that's why for me you know
it's a math equation I can't afford to lose two R three r
four r on any one given play or multiple
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plays or lose 20 to one R because the math equation
doesn't work anymore because I don't win don't win
don't win enough now makes makes sense and and so what how did
the whole thing with clova start how did you guys all get together
you were all friends in the past or yeah we we got met through uh
through the challenge back in the day we've all started think
2016 or 17 I think huy might have started first in 2015 or 16 um but
we had Kellogg in there as well and um I think we started going to
conferences together and we just kind of knew at that point we were
all kind of up
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somewhere between like 20K and 200k and you know back then
you're all kind of competing like it is on Kimo where you see
each other's profits and you're neck and neck and you want
to do better than someone else and then you also you want to learn
from them and pick up little tidbits of information you know how can
I short better Kyle and H wants to know for me how can I long better
how can I buy breakouts whatever it is and you we eventually you
know I lived with Jack Kellogg in 2018 and 2019 so we became really
good friends we met huie and Kyle and Schwarz eventually in 20121
and and and
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2022 um but it's just we became friends we be we were
all so passionate about trading um at that point I had already
trained like five to 10 people in my hometown how to trade so I
really liked that part of it as well and eventually we just kind of
decided if we want to do that and go into the education side and
help as many people as possible and we didn't want to do our
own things we just wanted to do it together and uh you know have
different perspectives all in the same place cuz we all do things so
differently no and it's it's definitely worth following
the social media channels I've seen
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a couple of the reals and the and the and the creative
I've been working on an advertising agency for 10 years and and
a lot of what you do is H it's it's top draw it's
it's very natural and it's funny um we work hard on them
no no dude I can tell um and in terms of kinfo what what made you
want to subscribe and put your profits on kinfo because you
don't have to you don't have to sh you trades you
don't have to show you profits yeah I know someone in my
position who is out there teaching I I think it is important to be
transparent and for people to know at
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least that you know what you're doing um and over a
longer period of time than just the last six months or the last year
you know I didn't want to teach for the first few years of my
career when I made my first million or made my first couple hundred
thousand because you know call it impostor cision whatever it is I
just wanted to see like make sure I knew more than I did go through
a few different Market Cycles which is important because I mean
I've struggled in the past different moments I've shined
at different moments in the past and you look at any one of these
Traders it's not always so Rosy um
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and I think people can learn from those stretches where you
struggle the years the down years you know they can learn from the
great years as well um but Kimo in particular um I think that's
important just like just to see your overall profits it's
really important to know how you're doing and to make sure that
you know your numbers um I think Kimo is great for you know a lot of
the analytics that they just spit out to you it's so easy
it's really easy um where you know I track everything
personally as well on a spreadsheet so that way I go through the H
the process every single day of having to input
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my number so that way I'm in tuned with them so that way
when I have to type in a negative $22,000 day it's not just
something that gets uploaded I can look at it in two weeks I have to
actually manually do it so that way I can feel those emotions but
being able to know really in-depth stats like what day of the week
am I profitable what types of s tickers do I make um the most money
on um you know what time of day um your biggest profits versus your
biggest losses your average winner to average loser your overall win
percentage your win percentage over this month versus last month how
I'm doing
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on Longs versus shorts I think it's just really really
important to know that stuff and you know a piece of advice I have
for beginners like something that I didn't do for the first six
seven months of my journey of trying to become profitable was have a
freaking clue of what I'm doing actually have data behind what
I'm doing and be able to go this is how much I've made on
this pattern this is how much I've made on this one this is my
win percentage of this pattern this is maybe a pattern I should cut
out this is what time of day I excel versus when I don't and
when you don't have that
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information you're just you really are just gambling and
you're trading blind because the whole point of data and your
analytics is to create an edge you know if you're a
discretionary Trader and it you're not systematic where
it's just if I see this type of percentage up on the day and if
it's this float with this type of catalyst whatever I short
here risk 30% I cover it this time if you it's not that
technical there is a lot of nuance to it and you know having all
that data personal data is where you're going to get the most
information it's important to back test the types of patterns
you're trading but it's really important
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to back test yourself and to actually look at you know where
you're performing well where you're performing not if you
don't know that information um you know stuff like Kino is
super beneficial because a it just goes in there automatically and
it spits out all the numbers then you just go through and kind of
see it um yeah I just think that's it's really really
important for people to know that information it's something I
definitely took too long to do and every time I go through draw
downs and struggle it's it's usually the same time that I
stop tracking my information yeah no no that makes full sense and I
think people don't realize how
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easy it is it's it's literally just press one press
one button and then press another button then it's all
information is all in it's like okay that's easy um
I've got a philosophical question I'm going to go a little
bit deep with you right now okay uh do you think the world that we
live in right now would be a better world or is a better world for
having furus and pompers or do you think it would be a better world
without the furus and pompers pompers pompers um it's kind of I
feel like I feel like I could answer both ways um I think it's
good to have a lot of people on the
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same side of Trades at certain moments time and to know that
they're all on the same side of the trade like you even see it
with like ffi even right now they went on an incredible run from
three cents to like $4 um I got squeezed on it but even now you see
there's a Reddit group of like 55,000 people all on the same
play page you know it's the blind leading the blind and
it's really sad to see right so the end result is usually a lot
of sadness you know all the pumps we've seen in the past where
people are sold this pipe dream and it looks great for a while but
they're
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really just the liquidity to make the thing go back down to
zero and that's really sad to see um especially people who give
money to the scammers and the furus um and they'll never see
that money again but uh so I kind of see it from both perspectives I
think it's really sad it kind of puts a bad taste in
people's mouth for the industry as a whole when it comes to
trading specifically day trading penny stocks I think it's hard
to know who to trust anymore which is why stuff like Kino is really
important to have it backed by third party or whatever so that way
you can't fudge the numbers up um but
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I think there's good and there's bad with it but I
think there does need to be probably education on there for people
not to just go and follow anyone to give them any money uh and to to
do the education you know at some point the stock market's a
zero some game and if you want to donate it to the market by
following some guy that has already bought the stock and you're
just pumping it up for him it is what it is but it's also
become really entertaining I feel like in the in the past couple
years with people out there who are just blatantly doing it
it's kind of funny it's entertaining and
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uh you know it makes the game just kind of cool you know
stuff like roaring Kitty you know that's crazy when he's
not actually a pumper but it's hard to say he's not
pumping the stock it's all gray area but I I think it's
entertaining yeah but I mean some of these personalities H RoR and
kitty Zach Mars they just make the business fun I mean for me it
just it just makes the business fun as long as you're aware as
long as you're aware of what's going on it's
it's it makes it more fun and it brings opportunity I mean
it's also I think like I live in Rio de janeo and and Brazil
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I've lived here for the last couple of years and um it
doesn't have the be best reputation for Crime but because it
doesn't have the best reputation for Crime it's actually I
have all of this natural beauty in the world's most famous
Spees at a very discounted price so almost think of that with penny
stocks like penny stocks have got a shitty reputation not that
Brazil's got a shitty reputation but penny stocks have got a
shitty reputation and does that not mean that people like you get
get this really strong Edge to take advantage of it all because
other people are scared to go in could it be like this yeah I think
because of
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that you know and even when it comes to the furus and stuff
and just any kind of Spotlight being shown on small Caps or penny
stocks like the gme stuff brought a lot of money into small caps
because people don't want to trade an $80 stock if they have a
$2,000 account so they're going to go and what we've seen
over the past last couple weeks right a ton of low price stocks
moving what do we see mbio go from 12 cents to a130 today from
yesterday into today and that wouldn't be possible with a lot
without a lot of people foming into this stuff and so you saw in
2020 in 2021 with stimulus
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checks in Robin Hood and a lot of that dumb money coming into
the markets and yeah I think it does it definitely helps and because
it is a zero sum game having the education definitely pays and it
sucks when you gets painted in a negative light like you get pushed
into that Circle and you know you're an educator and
you're in the penny stocks world you're a scam uh and that
part sucks but I sleep just fine at night knowing what I do is
because I want to help people and I actually know what I'm
doing but um yeah it's kind of catch22 because there are a lot
of positives and a lot of negatives
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to it but like you said I think it uh it does make it more
entertaining and I will take as much money as you know the more
money poured into small caps the better you know put some into
otc's while we're at it you need RoR and KY in the
otc's Mar in the otc's um okay we'll we'll close
up on some uh some advice for new Traders so if what's what
I'd like to ask is what's the biggest mistake that
you've made where you would like to pass on that advice to a
new Trader is to prevent them from making that same that same that
same mistake um you know we've kind of talked
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about it with the tracking I was try to come up with
something different um I made a lot of mistakes um I think
consistency is probably the biggest one for me like like not trying
to be consistent in my Approach um not in terms of like over my
entire career like my p&l curve is quite consistent over time
over the eight or nine years that I've been doing it but
I've definitely you know I always call myself the most
inconsistent Clover because you know I am not green every month of
the year not green every week I go through a lot of draw Downs over
the course of a month or two where I have
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to work my way out of them because a lot of the negatives
we've talked about today um so I think it's just
consistency and focusing on like an entire year versus thinking
about this week or next week and putting so much emphasis on
what's going on right now versus um excuse me sorry sparkling
water um uh without thinking about like the long run like I said
know not no one trade means that much and I think over my career
I've tried to make that reality right we in a slow period and
there's not a lot of plays out there whether it's summer
you or just a slow week you just kind of push and you
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force you try to force your will on the market and all of a
sudden in a in a week where maybe best case scenario is you lose
zero or win small or lose small you're get a huge hole and you
set yourself back and then your your mind set's wrong so you go
into the next hot period with kind of you know your tail between
your legs you're not feeling good so maybe you get some of your
money back but not all of it in a period when you should have really
taken advantage of that market and really shot to new highs on your
profit chart so it's just all about consistency and you know
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it's taken me until 2023 because at the end of last year
I kind of started this new experiment with myself of sizing down
recreate I mean not recreating but really only sticking to my
patterns and going through a stretch of like proving to myself that
I can you know be green every month and I I would like to be more
consistent overall because I don't believe you know I should
ever have a great a red month no matter how slow the market is if
I'm sticking to what we' talked about today in terms of
risk management not losing more than one hour in any not going
outside my playbook to find other things that other
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people are trading and I truly do execute well in the
opportunities that are in front of me um I don't believe
there's any Market hot or cold that I shouldn't be able to
excel in so I think it's just really coming down consistency
and approach making sure I'm putting in the work in I got
really complacent um in last year of you know having made a lot of
money having traded quite well pushing a lot of size and you know I
was humbled with some big losses some stretches where I had to you
know still digging myself out of a couple of them and it really
affected my mindset so having that consistent approach of
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if you're going to get into this game right now like
start thinking about it like who I want to be in 5 years 10 years 15
years because uh well it comes fast but uh you know you never stop
learning you're never going to master this game so just nice
and slow like a turtle slow and steady and uh yeah so consistency in
everything that I do when it comes to watch list making trade plans
risk management studying material so I don't you know ever
think that I'm better than I am and always just adapting to the
current market current market current market as well as tracking
everything we talked about before knowing your numbers
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yeah but and and also I think when people are looking at
these multi-millionaire Traders or anyone who's made more than
500,000 anyone who's made more than a million I think you just
automatically assume that these people have just got control over
their emotions they've just got the the secret key where
you've got discipline and you can cut every loss but like but
it's not the case like when I talk to you you sound like
you've gone through some struggles managing emotions cutting
losses and you've had fantastic risk management so like
it's just how are you how you just keeping yourself in check
like you said before it's basically just small punishments or
having a word
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with yourself I just saying look five years time it's
these psychologies these thoughts yeah I mean at the end of the day
what I always come back to is it's like you know it's
easier just not to make the mistake than have to fix the mistake
constantly So eventually you get to the point where you know
you're going down a bad Road you know you've gotten away
with a little bit of danger and it's worked out for you or
hasn't hurt you that bad um and you just be honest with
yourself you say I don't want that for your I don't want
to have to get out of a draw down I don't want to
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have to recover from a big loss um and you just start to make
better decisions and it really is a process like every time
I've come out of a draw down you always think even you know us
who've made a lot of money trading and have a lot of skills and
have done really well you know like you said we go through a lot of
emotional turmoil we make a lot of mistakes sometimes at a really
big scale that really affects us negatively but you know how you
come out of that like most you always think you're just going
to take a big loss and everything just goes back to normal but your
mindsets messed
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up your psycholog is all screwed up it takes time and so many
people want the fast pill to success in this game and it just
doesn't exist even once you've made made it or done quite
well for yourself like the market is constantly changing the players
are constantly changing there's always a new challenge whether
it be with yourself or the market and kind of getting used to just
being resilient and just plugging away and realizing it's
better just not to make the mistake than have to deal with the
consequences and so some times the punishments work but for me
it's more of just like being paranoid right being on edge a
little bit of like
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I could swing this overnight and maybe it works out in my
favor but the odds of it working against me are like 50/50 and it
could get really bad or really ugly or maybe they could drop an
offering or they have this filing that they could put out or news is
tomorrow I could swing through it uh and it could pay off huge but
it's not worth the risk and you start to realize when you start
thinking about this in the marathon perspective of the next 10 years
20 years you start thinking about this from the perspective of not
one trade means everything you start taking less of those risks and
you realize you're a
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lot better off for it you sleep better at night and
you're pulling yourself out of a lot less draw Downs so I mean
is that just the case because I know if it was me and say for
example if I just took a bad loss and I saw an opportunity where I
could make it all back I'd be thinking [ __ ] this I'm
just going to gamble just going to gamble because I'd want
I'd want the to of being here they're feeling great yeah
but like are you are you having a conversation with yourself or you
thinking look think five years 10 years is that how you literally
stopping yourself from taking these decisions is that
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what you're doing or you just know deep down in your
head it's just the wrong decision like it's just like
it's just a bad idea like eating ordering a McDonald's
after you've just ate a McDonald's like you just know
it's a stupid thing they do is it the same thing for you I
think it's that but I think once I've hit taken the loss
or gone through you know you know Kyle is like a perfect example of
just being he's like for the most part just like steady yey
like if he'll take a 200k loss show up the next day short that
same stock and make a majority of it back with a fear in
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the world right whereas for the most part if I take that big
loss you know something like top where I got squeezed to the High
Heavens on um last year um you know I didn't trade it again
because I just didn't want to compound that loss and for me if
you do make a mistake and you do break a rule like just don't
compound it don't make it worse if you you risk a $100 a trade
and you're down a th000 in the morning cut yourself off just
stop take a day off maybe a punishment is I can't trade that
stock again maybe it's I can't trade for two days like
there you call your
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broker and tell them shut my account down for two days give
me to the weekend like whatever you have to do to not make it worse
like that's always worse it's the decisions that follow
the bad decision are almost always more mentally draining than the
first one you made because usually what happens is it was probably a
good setup that you screwed up on in the first place right a setup
you would take again maybe there's one rule that you would just
change right maybe I wouldn't have sized in bigger because I
thought it was a hotter Market maybe I wouldn't have let it
test the level 10 times before I cut it and I
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had I got on to the upside like maybe I would just cut it
immediately when I hit my risk and reevaluate it right it's
usually the next thing that we do that make puts us in that mental
Purgatory of just like anger and more anger more tilt um because
then you're just like am I a freaking idiot like why would I do
this again why would I let it happen again and then those feelings
are always worse than the first mistake like I'm okay with you
making the first mistake let it be bad like deal with it once
you're out of the position um but the next move I think is the
more important one
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cuz that's usually where people get in trouble right a
one hour loss turns to a twoh hour loss turns to 5x size turns to
10x size turns to now I'm definitely not cutting it and
it's always the compounding of the mistakes that makes it worse
than the initial mistake and so either having some sort of rules
with yourself um max losses on your broker there are ways to protect
yourself um you know I've never done that to myself probably
should have in the past I've always trusted myself um but there
are ways that you can you got to find what works for you like what
what actually motivates you to make changes and you know
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cuz whatever I say to you isn't going to motivate you
you have to find something that works for you that gets you to stay
on it and usually for me it's like do it for a month prove it
to yourself do it for two months prove it to yourself do it for get
to the point where it becomes second nature and that's not
something you have to focus on because then they become habits and
then you're in the clear until you know the they start to creep
back in again and you got to remind yourself of what I did in the
first place to get me there I I think I think when what you're
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saying there about compounding is uh is really important
because I think for me some things that can just not cut a loss and
then just be like oh well didn't cut it didn't cut it so
I'm I'm a failure and I'm failed again so let's
just see what happens but what you really should think is look I
didn't cut that that is a really big warning sign that I just
need to cut myself off for a few days and look it's not the end
of the world it only went up 5% just get out it's over
don't pray that back down because it probably won't so now
make sense do you have a final tip
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or I mean what I was going to ask you is um what's the
biggest problem that you see new Traders get and how could they
overcome it but I want to ask you that but also if you've got
any final final piece of advice to close the biggest problem I see
with other Traders or myself what was the questioners like biggest
problem for new traders that you face globa um yeah I think you know
like I I said a few times like most people can figure out the
patterns they can find figure out what a multi-day break is figure
out how to trade a day one gapper learn how to short a first R day
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like that's like the the easy stuff um but for me really
you know it's doing everything it's not just studying the
patterns it's studying yourself it's back testing those
specific patterns to work for you finding edges within an edge
within an edge that you can Master but it all comes down to tracking
and knowing your business um I think so many people just don't
take it serious like all those things really the answer is like take
this serious go through every step possible to be the best
you're trying to fight to be part of a 5% or less club and and
you have so much access to people who are part of that 5% you
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know study what they are doing and do those things don't
just go I'm going to learn how to trade like Jack because you
probably won't you won't learn how to trade like Nate
because they you know know exactly what works for them and every
trade they take is tailored to them find what's tailored to you
stick to it for a period of time roll your accounts before you go
and try to learn something new um but it really comes down to just
taking it serious too many people trade every day that should never
spend a dollar on the market and that's just the truth do you
know invest in yourself in your education and actually
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use what we're talking about like actually track your
trade through kinfo do it through yourself and actually you know
become very educated on what you do in the markets and who you are
in the markets learn from it actually apply it and then have the
discipline to stick to it for a period of time because that's
when you see every Trader go from negative - 6K to positive 20K in
two months and it doesn't look like they've done anything
different they're trading the same pattern it's cuz they
found out how to Master themselves in their abilities and only pick
certain moments in a pattern in a trade when they actually do
something so many people
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want to trade everything and trade all the time but in
reality it's very difficult to find an edge in the market and
so when you do I encourage you to milk it for all that it's
worth for as long as it's there before moving on to something
else and becoming a master at that um and doing whatever you have to
do through your data to find out what that is I always say
there's a profitable Trader and every inconsistently profitable
Trader and they just will never see it because they're off
doing they do so many things so sticking to some some small little
basket of you know preparation of actual excused on the trades only
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a specific amount of patterns and just do it for a period of
time prove to yourself you can do that cut your losses you know find
a way to get your average winner over two to one um but it really
comes down to just taking it serious too many people they will you
know they put money into the markets at probably you know is just a
donation because they're not doing all the necessary
prerequisites um that are required before you actually can even
start to take off in this game if it's not a donation it's
certainly just a trip to the casino right it's as simple as
that yep but uh we'll I think we'll
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leave it there there's nothing else to add it's a
fantastic way to close uh thank you so much for your time Dom very
insightful fantastic answers and a lot of learning points um
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In
this episode of the Transparent Traders podcast, we sit down with
Andy (Quickbags), a trader that is knocking on the door of the top
10 kinfo all-time leaderboard in 11th place with an impressive $1.3
million in verified trading profits.
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Join us as Andy shares his unique sub-dollar trading
strategy, analyzes recent price action in the OTC market, and offers
invaluable advice to new traders that he wishes he had received when
he first started.
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What You'll Learn:
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Tips on how to be a hyper scalper to generate millions of dollars.
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The significance of transparency and using tools like Kinfo.
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Typical trading patterns Quickbags looks for to make big profits.
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The journey from unprofitable to consistently successful.
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There are big profits in sub-dollar stocks with the right strategy
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You should look at what’s hot in the market and adopt Tim Sykes
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00:00 Introduction of Andy and his trading success
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04:41 Identifying and capitalizing on hot market trends
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today we welcome Andy when it's your setup and you know
it's your A+ you should always like go balls to the walls who
sits in 11th place on K for's alltime leaderboard with 1.3
million profits do you have a favorite furu I would for sure say Tim
SE that's more Guru in terms of furu is in the scamers oh furu
okay don't worry I'll edit that bit out as well I'll
edit that bit out okay I thought you said I thought he said gurus
okay welcome back everybody and today we welcome Andy who sits in
11th on Kino's alltime leaderboard with 1.3 million profits at
just 27 years old uh today we're going to jump
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into his strategies industry transparency and it's top
tips for new Traders but first I just want to quickly mention you
can get kingf pro kingf pro plus free for your first month all you
need to do is Click log in and click upgrade but uh first of all
Andy nice to have you welcome how are you today I'm doing good
and thank you so much for having me not a problem so Andy I see you
11th on the leaderboard crazy amount of profits for someone your age
so first unbelievably well done um but you you come under the name
of quick bags can I just ask you what the the story is behind the
username
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yeah so a long story short when you're trading
you're getting bags and sometimes it can be quick too and I
like getting quick bags so that's where the name Quick bags
came from because when you're trading it can be pretty quick so
you're looking for those uh those quick bags of money those
quick bag opportunities right yeah those quick bags and quick scalps
very nice very nice indeed okay so I was looking at some of your
recent trades and what was really interesting about you is that you
seem to be into the uh some of the lower priced some of the Sub sub
dollar stocks uh can you give it some sort of indication on
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strategy there what you doing what you doing in doing in
doing in there yeah so I really love those sub dollar stocks because
they have insane range such insane volume and you can really
capitalize and grow your accounts significantly um because those
movements they don't take um they don't take a lot of like
movements to to grow your account and that makes full sense but when
you've got volatility on one side The Winning Side you've
also got volatility on the losing side so how do you manage your
risk I'm only saying because I've traded these subc caps
and I've made some terrible catastrophic mistakes with risk
management and been down like 100% so like how
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how are you managing your risk to not do the stupid things
that I do yeah so I would say you want to wait for the runup to
settle down come back down and then you can play the consolidation
perk after it gives you some nice tight risk levels levels levels um
from where it's been basing for like the past days on the daily
chart and then after that you can play the secondary run up into the
breakout again because once yeah so are you playing these long are
you playing these short are you playing both I'm mainly long so
I would only long them so go go through that strategy again sorry
just so I
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can um try and understand that for everyone else watching
yeah so you can play the initial run up like the first one or two
three days just just get in on some consolidation and you kind of
play the trend or what I like to do is I like waiting for the for
the chart to settle down a little bit after like the big runup you
want to see like two two or like three days four days of
consolidations like and then once they go sideways and per perk off
consolidation you can you can play the secondary breakout because
often times once they have that that huge runup like Fifi uh they
tend to run a
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lot more um after they after they after they Consolidated ah
dude that's that's uh that's really really
interesting stuff and it's just it's it's a strategy
that reminds us of Jack K we'll go on to him in a second but uh
but you can't are you just playing any stock that what is it 20
30 40 cents it's Consolidated for a few days after an initial
pick is the more criteria than this or is this the criteria I would
say it's a little bit of that and it's a little bit of
what's been working in the market and it's and what's
been hot um because back when Fifi ran after Fifi you got your syn
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you got your Peggy and it was just momentum like spreading
towards those stocks and that lasted for like a couple weeks and so
now I think it's moved on uh to like maybe like dollar or two
or $2 stocks so it's just whatever the Market's giving and
what's what's hot in that moment H so that's
interesting so I mean so you it seems like you're looking for
the same technical patent where you you know the 3day runup and then
you know the consolidation for the extended breakout after but so
but it's almost like you're looking at what's hot
that's going to fulfill this pent is that how it is yeah cor
yeah correct so I
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would apply the framework to it and then I would look for
what's hot in the market right now what's moving so then
you can adapt to what's been working because like um you might
you might trade a specific pattern but if that's not working
right now then you won't have any success trying that because
like um because the sub pennies were hot and so if you're
trying to do like um some big cabs or like Maps then you probably
won't get a lot of returns because all the money and all the
eyes and all the emotions it's over in the um in the pennies
right now yeah I know that makes that makes a lot
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of sense so do you have any CR I think I need to start
learning from you but uh do you have any criteria for what makes a
hot I mean obviously you can say it's hot SE that could be so
penny a hot that could be AI but it like is how do you determine it
is it like there's 12 stocks on the pre premarket percent
gainers today or or how do you qualify it I would say stocks that
has a big percent gains but then they hold those gains and then they
continue to to have multiple days of run-ups rather than giving
those gains back because every day there are stocks that that gaps
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up but not a lot of stocks kind of hold their gains so you
see so you want to see multi-day Runners because then multi-day
Runners gives you those just insane range uh up and down um to trade
so and is that like literally it so it's like okay what stocks
run and it's tell the ties you don't have to give too much
of your strategy away I know this is about transparent trading in
Kimo but you don't need to give too much away but like I'm
just curious so once you've had one runner in the sector
that's held its momentum then you start to look for what's
next is it like that or what what
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else might be coming up right because once you have like a
Big R Runner like Fifi there there's often sympathy plays that
comes after them um so you can go after those sympathy plays too
because it's just Mo it's just momentum spreading
spreading everywhere else and everyone's trying to find the
find the next Fifi um the next hot runner so you want to go where
everyone's at and that's where the money is at that's
where the DB money is at n no it makes absolutely full sense
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experience okay we are back and we're going to be talking about
uh OTC stocks furus and gurus and what knowledge you may have gleed
from Jack col because
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I believe that you you credited him as when you made a
million dollars but first how's the OTC markets for you uh Andy
if I were to be honest they are completely dead right now you still
get spurts of like one or two like the most recent one dftf but for
the most part like this year it's been incredibly tough and I
think they kind of just died off for now so so are you sticking with
the sub if it's low price of pennies it's more like NASDAQ
or it's it's basically NASDAQ or nysa or something like
that yeah so just a penny dollar five or sometime mid two just just
around around around there
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and um I saw you when you hit the Mo you give a special
tribute to H Tim Sykes and also to Jack Kellogg is there anything
that you picked up from Jack because we all know like Jack's
the Master Trader right who's made the the seven million in
eight months or whatever it was he's up to 14 million or
something now so is there anything that you've picked up from
him or any tips he give you to help you I have yeah so just seeing
Jack achieve what he achieved and he basically showed you what was
possible and that really INSP ire me and help push me too um just to
be the best Traer
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that I can be um just seeing him like um how he like plays
those um A+ setups like when is when is your when is your setups and
you know it's your A+ you should always like go go balls to the
walls I like that expression do you know get some people say if you
go balls to the walls like how do you manage your risk but do you
feel like it's like as long as you're really on point with
your risk management you can go balls to the walls with the A+
setups exactly you got you got to get in there and and um just hope
that it doesn't come doesn't come doesn't come
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down ah but like for example if you're going long
there's less risk rate you may have the offering but it's
not shorten I was believe there's significantly more uh risk
because it's already up it's up too much it's got to
come down I may as well hold it but with Longs I feel like you can
invest a bit more Capital because you've got that stop and
trash anyway so if it falls rationally it should fall right yeah you
can then for Longs you only only only loseing of of how much you put
in but with with with um shorts you can lose in like infinitely more
so it's a lot more scary to be short
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uh than it is long for sure yeah 100% 100% And in terms of
transparency uh I'll ask you some fun fun FAL questions as well
to get your opinion on these but why did you just decide to be
transparent like why did you decide to go on kall what's
what's the the the advantage yeah so it started with just it
was just very convenient just to log everything and to see your
p&l curve and to see where you're at in your journey and I
like to be organized and to see my progress I guess over time it
just it was just like a habit then I just kept doing it and plus um
kful kful
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layout and everything makes it makes it easier to like see
and track your trades too so so that's probably the reason why
I've been using kin for a lot too no very nice yeah and some of
the pro some of the Pro St is really nice for see where you're
going right and where you're going wrong going wrong going
wrong um the other thing I was going to ask is you're number 11
on the leaderboard you're breaking into the top 10 braking in
uh so my my my question is do you have you had any any advantage
from being in the top top 11 in the leaderboard so far like with
networking or just by
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being verified um not really I would say it's more like
it's kind of like a video game you're like oh it's
nice to be top 10 top 20 um but other than that not not really not
not so much no no makes makes sense sense sense um and in terms of
furus do you have a favorite furu and if if you do why I would for
sure say Tim Sykes because he's such a incredible teacher
mentor and person and he just created this awesome Community where a
lot of good Traders come together and just help each other which is
nice all but in that's that's more Guru in terms of furu
is in the scamers
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you have oh furu okay fur don't worry I'll let that
b out as well I'll let that b out okay I thought he I thought
he said gurus okay Tim SES is the best furu I'll end it
you're all good now I love getting scammed by Tim s but do you
have um in terms of f rules do you have a f Ru that you that you
like to follow that's engaging that brings volume to the market
I do I would say Zach Morris you know he's uh he's the one
to go to he's always ping the best dogs and his army is crazy
he's got to follow what he picks at and you'd be
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rich ah but but like um I sense some sarcasm in there or do
you know a way of trading ahead of Zach or knowing how to trade
Zach's pumps do you know well yeah so after he alerts it or
pumps it very short lifs so you can you can short it afterwards too
because those moves are like irrational it's not is up for the
wrong reason so you can short his picks afterwards too but other
than that he's just a very entertaining person to follow on on
Twitter and some of the some of the some of the stuff he post is
very funny too I dude I I absolutely love Zach moris um I love
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to say you you May's not know the Saved by the Bell Zach
moris I don't know if you know him did you ever say Saved by
the Bell it's too too many years ago uh I've never seen
that is like a movie or ah so save by the Bell is almost too old for
me save by the Bell is a is a is a show and Zach moris was like a TV
character in this series of episodes it was like a comedy about kids
in school but it was a it was like not even a series it was like a
kids television show and Zack moris was the star in the kids
television show and
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this guy I don't know his real name I forgot this guy
looks like Zach moris from the television show and that's why
he's got that that that D oh okay I see yeah they kind of look
like twins you know maybe that's how you got so popular
it's good marketing too it's why he's a he's a
good marketer he's a good pum um since you're on kall I
was just curious to know what is your thoughts on these kids who are
shown pictures of Lamborghinis who are new to trading the 2122
they're saying they've made Millions they're showing
profit statement they're showing trades progress they're
showing for example um like a p&l of the day
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but they're not on kall and they don't have Broker
statements what do you say to these guys when they start selling
courses what what's your thoughts on it I would say that's
awesome that they're doing that but at the same time because
because because the the stocks and finance industry it's full
of like um scams and snake oil so you never really know but I'm
because I'm I'm sure some of them they are giving out good
content good content and good info and they want to help people so
if they're so if they are doing that I think it's nice to
have some credibility and some verification just because the way the
industry is like
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it's just full of scam so you kind of need credibility
and verific if you are putting stuff out there so people don't
um just fall for just any scams and because you don't really
know what's what's a scam and and what's not no 100%
agree and then just to close up on some advice for new Traders what
do you think the biggest problem new Traders face is and and
what's your advice for them to overcome it i' say the
biggest problem is Traders they don't stick around long enough
to really to really see what fits their personality and what works
for them and what makes them comfortable with um with their
personality because everyone's different
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um so you got to stick around and see which patterns suits
you better and what you're comfortable with and that makes
makes a lot of sense and and and how long were you trading just
until you got profitable how long did it take you to 10 the curve
would say about three or four years in to my journey yeah to to
start seeing something now that's a it's a good it's
a good effort right so and in terms of are you a guy who uses metal
stops or you a guy who uses hard stops it's a little bit of
both but I would I would say the majority of time is hard is hard is
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hard stops and in terms of new Traders what you recommends
has to be hard or it depends on them 100% hard because you
don't know what you don't know and then as you progress
and get better and get more experienced then you have those mental
mental mental stops and what's the best piece of advice you
received when you got started in trading thought your losses quickly
but Tim Tim Tim syes that's the truth it's the it's
the best piece of ADV Bas but the hardest one to follow and uh what
does a new Trader need to do to faint success in the market last
question just stay in the game and into something clicks with
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you and start very small and then just keep trying just take
stabs at every pattern every every every um just any any um any idea
you have until something clicks and just stay alive until you pick
up something and then you go off from from there try not to blow to
blow to blow up that's great advice uh we're going to
close with a quick message from today's sponsors but Andy
I'd like to thank you so much for your time it's been fun
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In
this episode, we chat with Brandon (BMAC), a rising star in the
trading world, closing in on the $1 MILLION verified profit
milestone on Kinfo!
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Known for his hyper-scalping strategy, Brandon has racked up
nearly $300K in profits across a 3-month period.
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Tune in as Brandon breaks down his winning scalping
techniques, shares how he discovered his trading edge, and offers
invaluable advice for new traders looking to find theirs.
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00:15:01 - The Challenge of Identifying Real Traders
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00:15:44 - Joining Kinfo for Credibility and Networking
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00:16:28 - Perceptions of Younger Traders in the Industry
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00:17:00 - The Impact of Scammers on the Trading Community
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00:18:00 - The Appeal and Risks of High-Profit Claims
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00:23:05 - Lessons from Personal Trading Mistakes
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welcome back everybody today we welcome Brandon a year or two
ago I might have taken 40 trades a day and now I'm taking 200
who was quickly approaching the $1 million Mar say a majority of my
trades fall with you know with the whole time of about 10 to 15
seconds it doesn't make any sense you know if anybody
advertises a 90% win rate you better watch out because that loss
that they take is going to be absolutely uh ginormous welcome back
everybody today we welcome Brandon who is quickly approaching the 1
million Mark with $816,000 in k for verified profits today
we're going to jump into his trading strategies uh a little
conversation on
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industry transparency gurus and furus and we'll talk a
little about a little bit about his top tips for new Traders but
first a very quick reminder you can get King full pro and pro plus
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uh Brandon how are you today today today nice to meet you we're
doing great thanks for having me and uh where are you trading from
We're trading from Denver Colorado so mountain time yeah I was
just thinking that sound sounds pretty cool and Brandon your life
has must I don't know how much your life has changed or how
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much it's about to change but in the last 12 months I
was checking your Kim $73,000 in profits over the last 12 months
what the what clicked what click what what what happened yeah I mean
it doesn't really feel real and when I look back at the numbers
it I it's hard to even believe them honestly but I think
it's just been the result of a lot of hard work over time um
you know there wasn't too much that changed I I give you three
things I think that that were that changed from you know a year
prior one was just screen time I think anybody in this game if
you're doing it for three
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or four years you're going to notice that you're
going to find more and more setups every year you're going to
get better at trading more and more setups every single year and so
that was a big key for me and if you look at my statistics one thing
that's kind of strange is I don't really size up as far as
like share size or anything like that um really I'm just taking
more trades so like a like a year or two ago I might have taken 40
trades a day and now I'm taking 200 trades a day so I'm
just finding that many more opport unities um I say that's the
first thing the the
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second thing was I was able to join a pod of some other
traders that I met up with here in Denver and uh that's just
been so so huge you know you you've got other ideas other
people's strategies and you're able to kind of just you
you share your knowledge what you know and then they're sharing
what they know and uh it just ends up both parties end up benefit
benefiting from it um so that's been hugely successful and
I'm on like chat with them all day and you know it's
it's a blast trading with those guys and then I say the last
thing was I ended up going full-time in January and uh you
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know I had a I had a job at a startup and uh the company went
under and so I was kind of forced into full-time I was ready for it
but um yeah and then I had 100% focus on the market and I think that
really ended up uh ending up uh benefiting my my results no but I
mean that's it's as what I discussing earlier what a what
a complete blessing what a huge blessing to like it's it's
a disaster to lose your job right it's it's a nightmare
everyone I think everyone's been through it at one point in
life but for you to just be thinking okay this is the universe
sending a
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message like now is the time let's go I mean what do you
think about it now it's like a blessing no absolutely yeah I
mean I I was prepared for it mentally and I didn't know when it
was going to happen again it was like a startup company so um I was
for it I didn't think much would change and I mean I was I was
wrong thankfully uh because it is it's really interesting you
know when you give a 100% effort to trading and then you have that
extra time in the day to to to go back and watch your trades and
like you're just putting in that much more time it really makes
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a difference yeah but I've I've heard this with
these groups of successful Traders I've seen this a few times
with like almost PODS of Traders I've s with I think Jack kogg
was living with a couple of guys I think Jack was living with dom if
you know these guys and they were trading together and then they
just boomed and I've heard of other these other kind of uh pods
existing elsewhere as well so it's definitely a great tip for
other people um I saw that you described yourself as a a hyper Scala
now I've known about scalas but I don't know about ha
scalas so can you tell us a bit more about like
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how that how that differs from a scal or what the strategy
entails yeah I mean there's so many different definitions for
scalpers in general and I just felt like the the trading that I was
doing which was on a very short time frame I'm talking uh
I'd say a majority of my trades fall with you know with the
whole time of about 10 to 15 seconds but those trades could be
anywhere from one second to you know 30 seconds and then if if
I'm holding tra a trade for longer you know I've got a
winter and I'm holding on to it maybe it's like up to five
minutes or something like that um but majority
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of my trades are very very quick and these are all like level
two based entries exits so I am looking at a chart and I'll be
looking for you know a chart to coil and we're going to play a
breakout either way uh look for extended dips uh we'll look for
parabolic momentum you know all kinds of like chart setups you can
see it on the chart but you can really nail the entries and exits uh
and manage your risk really well by uh dialing in on the level two
and so uh that's and I yeah I just called it hypers scalping
because it's just so many trades like I said before you know
200
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trades a day it's it's very a very active trading
style I could imagine that's going to leave you feeling pretty
exhausted and pretty tired at the end of every day no I don't
know it's you'd think so but I also think it's kind
of fun it's like a video game you're watching all these
flashing lights and and uh you're clicking all these buttons
and it just feels very engaging versus like taking a trade sitting
back and you almost want to like not look at it because if you do
you're going to sell it no no 100% understand I mean
you're playing the funnest game in the world right it's
like you're placing bets but you're
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the house you're placing the bets but you're the
house and you get to place hundreds of these bets every day and if
you win you make loads and loads of money like there's no fun
game than that yeah who wouldn't want to play that game
it's amazing but you've got to be winning if you're
putting a load of bets on and you're losing this it's a
much much less one game but is it do you have indicators that like
are you compound are you compounding multiple patterns are you using
different indicators are you using python no I don't use I mean
vwap is the only indicator that I really keep on my chart or pay
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attention to um but I say for the most part it's just
going to be price action uh and and and chart setups you know if
something and every this is why screen time's so important
because one chart setup might mean something completely different
one day to the next in a different environment on a different stock
you have to know this the story of the stock and every pattern is
telling you a different story so um yeah I mean I guess I you know
I'm trading trading tight charts for breakouts uh but if I see
a chart that just keeps selling off for lastly can't bounce
then I might try to like short it short it
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short it until I notice something in the tape that says okay
I think this move is coming to an end maybe it's got a blow off
or something like that uh and now we try to trade it the other way
so I'm trying to like once I dial in on a good stock and by a
good stock I means something that has range it has volume and it has
tight spreads and I think you can talk to any Traders but if it has
those three things Something's Gonna it's going to be
tradable and when a stock has that then I'm just dialed in
I'm trying to understand its movement its personality and uh
I'll try
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elevate your trading experience so Brandon what gets me is the way
you talk about these things it it it sounds like you've got
such uh intuition you've got such intuition of the patterns of
the market through the screen time that you've that you've
endured but like how can you do this like what separates you from 9
7% of people that lose like how can you do it and no one else can
what do you what do you do you do you do different yeah that's
a great question I I'd love to answer that question but I have
no idea honestly you know it's
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not like I'm some genius you know I was a a very
mid-grade student through through grade school and and college and
stuff like that I think the the only difference was that I was Uber
competitive in anything that I did and two I just tried really hard
at certain things and like the market was so intriguing to me and
the idea of what the market could do for for me and my family and my
life um that just kept me going you know that was my why and I just
dug in you know I was every single day I'm I'm trading
I'm looking at the the level two the charts I'm trading
every single day
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the full day and then at the end of the day I'm
reviewing my trades um I'm watching YouTube videos on like
other people's content trying to understand what other people
are doing what other people are seeing because right if you know
what the other side's doing that's going to benefit you
even more um because you can trade against them so you know I think
it just really comes down to to to the work that I put in when you
say thing I guess how much work is the work yeah so I mean I've
been doing it for four years and like I said trade the full day so
you got six and a half hours
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there uh you're going to review your trade so probably
an hour there and then uh I used to do it a lot more in the past
watching the YouTube videos and trying to understand other
people's strategies what else is out there but I would I would
spend another like two or three hours I mean my wife was my
girlfriend at the time you know probably hated me but uh you know it
was all for a good cause H see so you're doing like 10 hours
consistently every day most days for for a few years right three
four years 10 hour days yeah I say yeah for the first three years
definitely that's that's what it
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takes uh and in terms of of how you found your strategy how
did that happen because not many people go into like hypers scalping
yeah I actually ran into this guy called Eric Green on YouTube and
he basically put his whole strategy out there he laid out uh exactly
how he traded his entries his exits um and you could just see
exactly what was happening and when someone talks about like if
I'm talking to you right now on the podcast I'm describing
what I do there's a lot of nuance that isn't conveyed but
when you watch somebody win and lose live you're seeing exactly
what's happening and how they're managing their risk
because that at
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the end of the day that's what we're doing
we're just we're just placing our bets and managing our
risk um and so and and just like you would if you wanted to be a
professional soccer player or a professional video gamer you're
going to go watch the professionals you want to see how the best of
the best do it and uh this guy Eric green he was doing amazing he
was having really good results and this was um right around uh after
covid so like 20 late 2020 early 2021 and I watched this stuff and
then and I realized okay like well why don't I just copy
exactly what he's doing and so I started
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doing that but then I realized like well I'm trading on
such a small time frame like maybe I should learn the level two and
uh and then I started doing that and I just added more pieces more
pieces instead of buying dips I started buying breakouts started
adding different elements I forget what your initial question was
sorry un tangent no no no you answered it perfectly the question was
um what strategy how did you find the strategy that's to to
personality and it's basically by meeting Eric green and then
you've adapted from there R Yeah Yeah Yeah final question then
I'm just going to ask you some more fun questions on uh furus
and gurus
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but do you have any um any dream vacation any plan like now
that you've made some money is there anything you want to do
just to kick kick back and just enjoy yourself no you know so
I've been working full-time saving up then you know grinding
the nin to-5 and really just saving all the trading profits and um I
I've been I've been so blessed I've been able to buy
a house just we just closed on it a month ago and uh I got married
just a month ago I just went on the honeymoon to to Bali uh it just
got back last week and uh and now it's just about yeah paying
off any
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debt that's on the house and uh enjoying life you know I
I want to keep my expenses as little as possible because I
don't want to I don't want to be a slave to um to the
amount of money that I have to earn in the markets you know if I
have a bad month bad year I want to be able to keep doing this and
not have to go back and get a a N9 to-5 so so that's really my
goal and that would be the the greatest gift of all you know I
don't I don't need a vacation I love doing what I do I I
don't feel like I need a vacation
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I'm sure my wife would disagree but yeah we're
pretty happy for now no no it's I know I think what you're
doing is very responsible as well and me B's an amazing place
I've been a few times in terms of furus and gurus what made you
decide that you wanted it be on kall yeah I I think I just wanted
the I wanted to connect with other legitimate Traders and I think
that was a big thing early on in in my learning process is how do
you decipher between someone who's real and someone who's
fake and there wasn't a good I I'd say until Kimo came
along there wasn't really a good way to do
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that you had like broker statements and stuff like that but
that could also be faked so I don't know it it's just
really tough to tell and then right now you can actually just like
look at someone's statistics and you could immediately tell if
they're fake you know if they've got like an 80% win rate
and their winners and losers are the same size you know it's
like nobody has an 80% win rate with the winners and losers the same
size you're probably averaging in or averaging down or
something like that um but yeah I mean I originally got on KFI
because I wanted to just show that I was real and then meet other
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real Traders I wanted to network with other traders who were
legitimate um and and then obviously I wanted to see my name on the
leader boards you know that's pretty cool but I mean I hate it
like I've known people have been in trading in the industry for
a long time and I've heard people saying like I mean how old
are you for now or if you don't mind like how what's how
old do you now yeah I just turned 31 31 okay like for me it's
like I'm I'm younger I'm a bit older than you so for
me it seem like a younger younger guy right still and like I've
seen people say oh
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these younger guys like showing these big profits and this
800 Grand like I've had I've heard people say these
they're all scammers they're just kids making stuff up on
the Internet selling courses and like what does it mean for you you
to be on kin for because you have that that validation that many
people would think um you might be make it at up many people I know
many people want I've been I know some older people say oh
these young kids are scammers so what does it mean to you that you
can finally validate and verify verify verify yourself yeah
it's so important I mean just to give validity to to to who I
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am and and and help Network and and find these like PODS of
other Traders and stuff like that that is so important because at
the end of the day like I agree with the older people I mean these
kids they are scammers because you know if if I'm a if I'm
if I don't know trading and I'm finding their videos and
that's the problem like they're good marketers that's
why they exist because they're really good at marketing
they're good at marketing you know fraudulent stuff and and
then I'm G to go and follow them and I'm just going to
lose a bunch of money so I mean really they're just scamming
you they're taking your
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money and then you're you know you're gonna piss
away your money trying to copy and emulate what they do which is
it's not g to work so now but and the worst thing is like
everyone Falls so the thing that's too good to be true Everyone
Falls for it like that's the worst worst part yeah everybody
wants it to be true everybody wants to make you know $100,000 oh I
just made the $15,000 trade today it's like okay yeah of course
I want that who wouldn't no but and no one's doing
anything about it as well like I've seen guys who I won't
say the names but I've seen guys scamming I don't know
them
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personally I've spoke to them personally been like why
are you doing this but I've spoke to guys personally who I know
are lying paper trading making up profits putting videos on YouTube
and then trying to get people into a chat room it's absolutely
insane but hopefully this can stop in the next 5 to 10 years yeah I
agree I mean I've I've talked to one guy one kid who I I
understand the appeal for them you know they're they're
trying to grind and I'm I'm giving them the benefit of the
doubt here but you know they're trying to grind they're
trying to make some money um and they realize that there's an
opportunity here and
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and maybe they have the best of intentions maybe they really
do want to teach people but they just don't have the knowledge
uh or The credibility to do so it's like it's like saying
I want to be a college professor and teach economics but you're
in high school and you haven't had you haven't you
haven't learned you Haven even gone through you know the art
stuff you haven't earned your stripes yet so you know how are
you going to go it's Noble sure but um you got to ear it yeah
no 100% agree and in terms of these other furus and gurus at the
likes of um Boren Kitty or Zach Morris or this whoever
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else do you think they help the industry or do you think they
hurt the industry are you happy to have them there or not yeah yeah
that's an that's an interesting question right because
like I said you know they're really good marketers and and
I'm not you you know I'm not bringing anybody into the
market I'm certainly not they are uh sure it's in a
fraudulent way but uh at the end of the day you know it benefits us
because it's added liquidity um it's unfortunate to say
that you know I don't want to to I don't want these people
on the other side of my trades but it is what it is you know
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these guys are good at getting people into the market and um
so is it good for is it good for our our industry I say that it I
don't know it's a tossup you know morally no but
financially yes and this is how the world Works in a lot of ways
right a lot of things are morally not very good and the things that
are morally not the best often do the best we'll have this
thing with Bankers every every four or five years Bankers with the
financial crisis or what they doing with a supre mortgage crisis was
it very moral no that didn't make loads of money for Bankers
yes and this is just
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how the world works unfortunately on a higher level level
level um do you have a favorite furu or do you have a a a f that you
hate the most yeah I hate them all equally to be fair but I did make
a a video about one his name's Lander Schlesinger and he's
he's a younger kid and you know it was just so I watched some
of his videos it was just such a shame because he's running
like a chat room or what it's not like he's sharing his
his full screen every day or what not and what he's doing is
he's he's taking a ton of Trades paper trades obviously
and then he's only
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publishing the one trade that works and so he'll say
that he made like 14,000 today on spy options and he'll do it
every day you know he's he's green every single day and
when he loses it's like oh I lost I lost small on spy options
it's like how could you have like a 90% win rate and then when
you lose it's smaller I mean you are a God you're a
trading God you know you don't even you don't even belong
with us peasants why would you ever share this information on
YouTube if if you're that good it doesn't make any sense
um and and those statistics are completely unachievable by the way
for anybody
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listening you know if anybody advertises a 90% win rate you
better watch out because that loss that they take is going to be
absolutely uh ginormous so but this is one example of of how these
furus work and so I posted a video just just blasting him and
showing all the different fake pieces of his videos and how you can
identify it because the end of the day I don't want people to
get scammed but it's just unfortunate you comment on their
video and they init they immediately uh like delete your comment and
block you and whatnot it's just like yeah it's not even
worth the effort to get mad about it anymore I'm just
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going to go do my own thing and it's it's sad but
it is what it is yeah I know but I mean it's also like
I've seen these guys I think they create multiple Google
accounts and they just comment on their own videos supporting and
say oh how do I get in your room like it's just like pretty
it's pretty disgusting but and I've also learned from
personal experience like I remember when I was trading more actively
I I I remember one August like in 2020 had like all green days in a
row each for ,000 $2,000 and I thought I'm a I'm a tall
God me I'm a crack trading what I didn't realize
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is that um if you average up on everything you're down
on when you Shen one day you're going to take a massive loss
that's what happened and I took like a $30,000 loss one day and
it's that's the lesson like some people can be being
honest like I was being honest but I just me strategy wasn't
sustainable so it's yeah makes sense um in terms of trading
advice for new Traders how does a new Trader find a strategy that
matches their personality and the way that you found a strategy that
much as yours yours yours H yeah it's that's a good
question I mean I think you have to be honest about who you are
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like what your personality traits are uh what your strengths
and weaknesses are um you know are you somebody who wants to be
sitting in front of the the screen all day clicking buttons um like
personally I enjoy that I I like that active trading style but a lot
of others probably don't you know they want to place their
trades they want to go uh trade for the first hour and a half and
they want to go enjoy the rest of their day um you know are you
somebody who after you you buy and you're you're in the
money are you somebody who's like it's you to take that
profit or are you someone who's pretty
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chill you're like okay if it comes back on me
that's okay I'm gonna let this thing ride right for me
personally I want to take that profit if I see green I want it in my
pocket I want to put it in the bank so you know that's another
example of just a personality trait and then what are your what are
your what are your triggers you know what what's going to make
you uh angry you know a trade coming back on you and then getting
stopped at a break even is that gonna set you off well then you
better like take your profits quick and realize that about yourself
um are you one that
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you can't handle taking a bunch of losses over and over
and over again well then maybe you should uh air towards like a
higher win rate rate rate strategy um yeah so many so many different
uh you know tweaks that you could make to adjust to your personality
and at the end of the day like you're first starting out I
think it's going to be tough to figure out exactly what your
personality is I mean again you can be open and a with yourself but
until you get in the weeds and you try a bunch of different stuff
it's probably going to be difficult so I'd say at least
when you're starting out um and
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this gets into like recommendations for for you know traders
who are who are just beginning but you know I would trade with very
small size because you need to build up that that database of
statistics and I would try as much stuff as possible like literally
just try to lose money but figure out you know you're going to
build a database of Trades and you're going to figure out where
was I successful where wasn't I successful why wasn't I
successful and you'll trim the fat eventually but you need to
build that database first and anybody who says okay I've had
success after a month and now I'm going to scale up it's
like okay it's
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just too quick you don't have that database of Trades uh
yet and you're also going to be combating combating combating
different Market environments you might have a market environment
where it's great for like longing stocks and that's what
we've seen in the past month where at with this GameStop and uh
AMC stuff you know this Resurgence through roaring kitty it's
been amazing for Longs and it's been horrific for shorts but
that has shifted on a dime and now it's the exact opposite so
you really have to go through the cycles and and just let it play
out get record that data and then you can feel really confident
about uh scaling up so I know
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I went went on a little tangent there but uh yeah it's
it's not easy to find a strategy that matches your personality
and it's going to take a while so just be patient with it and I
mean in terms of your it was interesting what you said about it
depends whether you can handle the loss coming back on yourself and
as to what strategy you would trade so in terms of your strategy
because it's so quick if it doesn't work the minute you go
into a Traer you're out or yeah exactly that's exactly
right so with um I think it's probably similar with all hypers
scalpers the signals that you get on the level two
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you expect to happen to play out right away and me personally
I find it easier to predict what's going to happen in the next
five seconds than what's going to happen in the next five
minutes so when I see something on the level two I mean I know in my
mind okay I've seen this you know a thousand times I know that
when I buy here this should happen it should go right away there
should be no you know waiting around or whatnot if not then I'm
just going to get out and I'm going to try to get out for like
break even or a small loss and that's part of the risk
management you
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keep the loser small and then when it does work you know that
okay it has it has a series of things it could do it could go you
know parabolic momentum up and do a halt you know we could just
trade up and kind of stall out you know but there's different
rules for taking profits too uh because the level the exit will be
based on level two signals as well yeah I I I a guy that likes to uh
to to just to accumulate on the bit or are you a guy that likes to
uh slap the askk with a little bit of size when you oh I'm
slapper the ask you're slapping the
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askk yeah I'm not again because like when I see
something it needs to happen right away so it's too much time
if I just go sit on the bid you know I'm probably not getting
filled I'd say 90% of the time it's just going to do the
thing without me so I got to be aggressive but I suppose if
you're slapping on the ask you kind of supporting your own
trade idea because you you expecting the momentum to coming you
slapping that ask with some size to try and push that momentum
through and carry carry your own trade philosophy through no
absolutely and I'm I'm sure that there's a lot of
other hyros scopers that
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are taking the same trade that I am that are that are pushing
the trade along no and that's what you need to do you need to
support your own idea and support it with size right um and in terms
of is there any advice that you wish that you'd received uh
that you could give to someone else today today today yeah so this
is this is a tough one because I'm a very Brute Force guy
it's tough for me to like take advice from somebody or see
something and and then just immediately take it as fact I need to go
through the motions uh and see it a bunch of times to really believe
it
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and then trust in it and put my money behind it would not the
the one thing that changed and I talked about this earlier was when
I saw somebody who traded live you know I saw the entries the exits
I saw the winners the losers how they manage risk when they traded
why they traded uh it wasn't just oh I do this because of this
and like a cherry-picked example it was it was just the raw data and
that's what I needed and needed and needed and so I don't
want to like get on here and like promote a course or anything but I
think if you are going to take a course I think
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the most valuable thing you can get is like the raw trading
archives so uh I know like for hypers scalpers I know there's
one called mmu and then there's one I think the guy's
name's the trading farmer or whatever and they live stream
their trades and like again I don't I don't even know why
they do this like you're just giving away so much Edge
it's Edge it's Edge it's unbelievable when you show
exactly what you're you're you're doing then
it's just it's always like you know the the courses are
expensive but to be able I mean these guys are making thousands of
dollars a day I mean if you can replicate what they do
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and they're showing you exactly how to do it uh I mean
it's it's worth it and I don't have any affiliation
with these guys by the way I do know them like uh I'm in one of
their discords or whatnot but um I don't have a close
relationship with any of these guys but I'd say you know early
on finding that would have helped me the most just because
that's the way I learn I want to see the raw data and make my
own decisions and to see someone else who's doing it
successfully uh it just makes me trust them a lot a lot quicker
quicker quicker um that's that's the one thing I would
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say I just say one more thing which is I would keep the size
the same for for months Andor years because like I said before
you're going to go through different Cycles you know and even
maybe just your personal life you know you might go through a rough
patch in your in your personal life where your emotions are taking a
heavier toll and you're trading differently uh and you need to
just see how that's going to affect you you need to see how all
these things are going to affect you and uh and be prepared for it
that makes 100% sense to me uh and I think it's very wise words
we we're about to
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close out just with a message uh a final message from the
sponsor but I just wanted to give you a final opportunity if
there's any shoutouts to anyone you want to give or to any
services or rooms or any Golden Nugget of information you'd
like to share the space is uh yours and thanks so much for having
you for for coming on sure absolutely um yeah I'll say if you
want to reach out to me or find me I'm on uh Twitter not Super
Active on there but uh I do Post every once in a while um and
that's under dip Traders and I also built a a scanner for
myself because when I started
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back in 2021 there it didn't there wasn't a scanner
that I could find but outside of trade ideas but that was like $150
a month or something like that uh that that that really focused on
that that super short time frame that I needed so I built a scanner
for myself and and on the dip Traders website I also sell a
subscription to that so um yeah and and I've been doing that
for three years that's that's what I use every day to find
the stocks that I trade um and then as far as like just golden
nuggets or you know some some words of wisdom to close things out I
just say uh if
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you're going to do this have a really strong why because
it's it's just gonna it's just such a difficult game
you know you're gonna you're going to take a lot of
L's and it's going to take a lot of time you know to
dedicate the amount of hours that it that it takes to be successful
in this business you have to have a a strong reason to keep going uh
and for me that was I want to be able to support my family I
don't want to work a ninetto five for the rest of my life and
and when I have kids I want to be around to to hang out with them I
want
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to have uh freedom to work when I want um and then and then
Financial Freedom as well so like that was my why and every time I
got knocked down I'm just coming back to that why like okay we
got to keep going we got to pick ourselves up it's gonna happen
um so that's that's my biggest piece of advice for for
anybody who who hasn't quite got there yet but but is uh on the
on the path and that's a beautiful uh beautiful way to close
out we'll say thank you so much Brandon for coming on thanks to
the sponsors we're going to close out with this message thank
you so much for watching
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today we welcome James A lot of times I'll be up at you
know anywhere from 4:00 to 4:30 a.m. so actually sits 11th in 11th
place on Kino's alltime leaderboard with 1.1 million in
verified profits short sellers are the only people who are
incentivized in real time to root out fraud a favorite pumper I know
biggest stock pumper in the market right now is Elon mask yeah
welcome back everybody today we welcome James AKA a stock wonk who
actually sits 11th in 11th place on Kino's alltime leaderboard
with 1.1 million in verified profits as always we're going to
jump into is trading strategies industry transparency and some top
tips for new Traders just a very
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quick reminder you can get King for pro and pro Plus for free
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access the advanced reports and analytics now James how are you
how's trading how's life uh it's good uh it's
just uh you know it's um kind of busy for me I've got two
kids and stuff and it's summertime so kids are home from school
and uh you know got got a lot going on I thought that trading was
meant to be uh free and up freeing up time so you went CH the yeah
what does it is helpful Le me being on the west coast it's like
the the
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downfall is I have to wake up so early but uh I mean a lot of
times um I do most of my trades in in the morning anyway so you know
by the time the kids are awake and stuff I'm already kind of
partway done with the day anyway so now we're just talking
about a little bit earlier off off air so you're in the west
coast you're in Seattle so it's the home of Nana home of
pjam home of the grunge home of Starbucks but it also mean it's
the home of uh 4 a.m. 4 a.m. Market opens or 5 a.m. Market opens is
that right yeah 4 4 AM is kind of the
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is usually I'll have my I've been kind of lazy
lately I've been taking a little break lately anyway but uh but
yeah I mean for you know a lot of times I'll be up at you know
anywhere from 4 to 4:30 a.m. you know so I can do because I have a
lot of pre-market strategies that I've been working on and
developing and and uh yeah if I want to trade pre-market I have to I
have to be up at those times so does it get any easier after a while
I've gotten up at the same time for a couple of years or yeah
it's it's not too bad I mean you kind of get
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used to it uh I used to not I've never been a coffee
person but but when I started doing that I did become an energy
drink person so person so person so like so like my fridge is
usually stocked with energy drinks yeah makes makes full sense ah
they're they're terrible for you but they're good for
you when you need them right yeah yeah um so so from no sugar I you
do least the sugar-free ones you know so ah me too just the CAE
it's just the big dose of caffeine that I'm getting um
from November 2020 to around March 2021 you made almost a million
dollars in 5 months according to Kino what
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the hell happened there I I think it was just one of those
times where it was the perfect meld of strategies that I had been
working on and market conditions where it's just like once and
when your account starts to to to compound it just it goes crazy
like like it was just unbelievable especially remember January of
2021 like like I was trading a lot of gappers like shorting big
gappers and stuff and you know it used to be like you know you might
get you know two or three gappers a week maybe you know but now we
were getting like four or five gappers a day like it was just unreal
to me me
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me and and I just took full advantage of it you know
it's like the like it it just worked really well with
strategies I've been working on and uh and so yeah I just took
advantage of it and my my account compounded like crazy uh during
that time so so you shorten those gapas you shorten the the gapas of
short the gappers like you know uh you know because a lot of them
would turn into all day faders and and you know you could short
sometime in the morning I mean obviously you'd have to you know
you'd have to have the right timing and stuff and then then
they would fade most of the day
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and and you get big multi trades out of out of them and then
when you were getting multiple gaers it was just it it was pretty it
was pretty unbelievable uh especially that January and February like
well I know in 2021 I made almost all my money in 2021 literally in
the first three months of that year like it was just uh it was just
unbelievable it's absolutely crazy how that works though right
but what I what I found as well because I was a massive massive uh
proponent of shorten the gabas as well and what I found is when this
so many stocks gapping up there's just not enough demand coming
in to sustain
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every one of these stocks that gaps up so naturally the more
that Gap up the more that are likely to fail and obviously
we're all trading with common sense say well that's got
dilution that doesn't have much volume and that one's got
the best news story so let's leave the one with the best news
story in the lowest FL and let's go after these four and like
out of 10 it would work I mean is it similar for you or yeah it was
kind of similar for me you know um uh I I will say it's obvious
though things have changed now um not only we're not getting as
many gappers but the nature of
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the gappers has changed so back then you know 2021 a lot of
the of the of the gappers they were still fairly I would say they
weren't like ultra low float like like you'd still have
gappers that would have you know six seven million shares in the
flow which is you know low but not extremely low you know um and you
were also getting a lot of gappers that still had double digit
floats and um and so I just think the the probability of them fading
uh was just a lot higher um but what I've noticed is you know
market conditions have changed so what what happened is you know
then when you got kind
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of got the bare Market of of of 2022 I I remember I saw a
stat that um in 2021 there were almost no NASDAQ stocks trading
under $1 per share which was just un un believable like like it was
just amazing like nothing was you know so what happened 2022 well
that was no longer the case a lot of penny stocks fell below $1 per
share well if you're on the NASDAQ you've got that minimum
bid requirement of I think it's $1 per share and so now what
you've had is a lot of those uh small cap or micro cap stocks
have done a lot of reverse splits and so now we got a lot
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of like now a lot of the gappers you're seeing are these
really ultra low float stocks um we're talking 1 million shares
in the float sometimes less than a million shares in the float and
stuff and those are actually a lot trickier to short on a gapper
like they uh I mean I used to have rules in 2021 that I
wouldn't even wouldn't even wouldn't even short a
gapper that had a market cap less than 15 million um while the
problem is now is a lot of the gappers have market caps of less than
15 million right and so so um so I've had to work on other
strategies now um because you know what
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I did back in 2021 it's not that it still doesn't
work it's just that there aren't many stocks now that fit
that criteria that I have anymore like it's just the gapers are
very different now and so I've had to work I've had to
spend really the past couple years working on new strategies which
takes a lot of time I mean that was the other nice thing about 2021
2020 there were so many gappers I was able to gather all this data
like a ton of data on gappers but now that there's not as many
many many gappers um I've had to work on new strategies and
being that a lot of the strategies that
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I've been working on I would call lower frequency
strategies they don't PR present a lot of trade opportunities
every month it takes a long time to to get enough data for me to
really hone in On A good rule set that where I think I'm going
to have a good Edge and so um so I've you know that's why
you know I made all that money 2020 2021 and then I kind of fell off
and you know the past few years haven't been that good for you
know actually last year was a red Year from my first red year in a
long time um uh and this year on green but not by a you
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know only by you know not by a whole lot I actually was off
to a great start in February again because of gappers there were a
bunch of gappers in February for some reason and then uh but then I
I I went through a slow bleed because when you're working on
new strategy when you don't quite have enough of a sample um
what happens is as you gather more data you keep discovering
weaknesses or problems in the strategies so it's been a lot of
uh um owning and refining my strategies right now um which I'm
okay with because I'm kind of playing the long game right you
know I'm uh you know I'm I'm you
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know going to be a Trader for the next 10 15 years and so I
don't mind spending a year or two just working on strategies
that I know um because I want to be able to trade a variety of
market conditions like I said I I can't just rely on the gapper
strategies I had from 2021 I need to um and I don't want to
just be a short guy guy that shorts all the time either which is
what I was and so I've been working on a lot of long strategies
um which I'm finally starting to fine-tune and and get down but
uh but it's taken some time to for me to develop a
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lot of the new stuff so uh 100,000 million per understand
where you're coming from because it took me three or four years
to find the Gap strategy and it was kind of obvious right because it
had such high frequency and then and then now kind of doesn't
work anymore cuz the market conditions have shifted I'm like I
just got stubborn and stck and didn't shift then I started
losing money because I didn't shift and then I just started
thinking I don't want to wait another three years to find
another pattern but we're going to jump back into this I'm
just conscious we're going to jump quickly into a quick uh
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trading experience okay we are back and I just want to say the most
challenging thing
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for me is to find that next pattern and you're treating
like a long game you're prepared to do the three and four five
years again I mean my next question for you was to ask you what
separates you from the the other 95% of traders that fail because I
think we're touching on it here yeah I I think it's
it's it's I think it's multiple things number one one
one um I I I think is you you have to remember you do have to play
the long game it can be especially when you're trading well it
can be really easy to get caught up in the gains you're making
and like I think too many
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Traders and this is a mistake I made back in 20 th you know
my first round as being a full-time Trader was back 2013 2014 um I
was again one of the top Traders on a um what was it profit Lee at
the time yeah you know this was before kinfo and stuff um it was a
similar thing I was I was doing great uh you know I I was making
great gains but the mistake I made back then is I wasn't paying
myself I wasn't regularly pulling money out of my accounts um
and because you know my my attitude at the time was like well
I'm making so much better percentage gains than I
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would in a savings account or you know in a in a long-term
investment account why would I take that money out right you
can't have that attitude because you never know when market
conditions and markting conditions will change you never know when
uh you can make like a catastrophic mental mistake where you lose a
bunch of money because you do something stupid right um so you
should always be taking money out like out of your trading accounts
all the time um especially if you're not trading well I mean
but even when you're trading well you should be taking money
out you should be paying yourself and taking that money putting it
somewhere safe savings long-term
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Investments whatever um and that's what's going to
allow you to get through the hard times where things slow down
because I guarantee you nearly all Traders will experience a slow
down or a big draw down at some point like like you will it's
it's practically guaranteed and if you prepare yourself for
that by not getting overconfident and putting money away which I was
smart this time all that money I made 2021 2020 I kept most of that
money because I pulled a lot of the money out nice like actually the
account I'm trading with now is very very small relative to
what I was trading then because I haven't been training as well
so I'm
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just like I would rather risk small amounts of money and get
my make sure that I'm getting my consistency down I can always
put money back in the account once I'm you know trading well uh
or or trading consistently um because here's the deal like I I
mean I know you've got the pattern day trader rule but
let's just ignore that for an instant um or or let's say
you actually just not ignore it let's say you've got a
$30,000 account and you're not trading well well adding another
$30,000 to your account is not going to make you trade any better
right it's not like if you're not making money on that
$30,000 account you're
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not going to make money on a $60,000 account so um uh so you
should be trading consistently well um before you actually like
either put more money in or increase your size or or whatever and
and if you're an experienced Trader or whatever or even if
you're a beginning Trader if you're not trading well that
also means if you're not trading well you know cut cutting your
size down reducing your size again you got to be thinking the long
game like thinking that hey I want to be doing this for the next
decade um and if you lose all your money you won't be doing
that that that so did you have a catastrophic blow
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up you were mentioning that you were kind of you you clicked
with trading before making money but then you I think you said you
had a big blowup yeah so back in uh so I was trading really well
2013 2014 all the way through summer of 2014 and then I think it was
October 2014 um God what were the stock there were these two stocks
uh that that made these huge runs that I tried shorting and I just
made the worst mistake you can make in shorting I I didn't
really have a I kind of had more of a mental stop and then I added
to my short and it just kept squeezing against me
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um I can't remember the ticker symbols now um I'd
have to go back and look at my notes or whatever but uh uh yeah so I
I remember I think I lost like 50% of my trading account in like one
day and I still had money to trade with after that but but the
problem I had at the time was I had given up my other sources of
income at the time and so so now I was stuck in a situation where I
have to make money trading but now I've lost half of my trading
account and I have no other sources of income you know um and so
that was another mistake that I
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made and then that's a recommendation I have to other
Traders out there you have other sources of income I know the idea
of being a full-time Trader and doing nothing but trading sounds
really sexy and awesome but it's really not it's like um
it's much easier to make money trading when you don't have
to make money trading like um even if you just have a nominal income
from some other you know side gig or side job I guarantee you
you're trading will be better because then you're not
under the pressure to have to make money trading because it it
really messes you up psychologically when you're suddenly you
know when you're literally dependent on making
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money trading like it's just uh it's it's a
tough tough gig to just do uh full-time so 100% understand 100%
agree and I mean that was like 2014 so you've just made like
You' just hit a million around 2020 2021 so where where did the
six years go where just like F this like or was it did you P or yeah
well I I I kept trying I kept trying to trade through 2015 but I
just kept bleeding more and more money and I find it was just out of
money um and it really psychologically after that big bullup I was
just not in the spot I I should have stopped trading then because
mentally
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I just wasn't in the right frame of mind to trade
anymore um uh so what I did was 2016 2017 I spent uh really a couple
years uh I worked on my other businesses you know building my income
and my other businesses um but I still paper traded during the time
so I would just paper trade uh work on my strategies with the idea
in the back of my head you know if I can show consistency paper
trading and once I've built my other businesses up and
I've got enough income I can you know open a new trading
account and go from there um so yeah I spent you know probably a
good couple years
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paper trading before I reopened a small actually was you know
like we're just talking about before you started this a shirt
Trader account I remember I opened a small shirt Trader account
around 2018 2018 2018 um was doing okay with the Shir Trader account
um and then I had enough capital I didn't have enough Capital
to be over the pattern day trader rule but um I was able to split my
money between three different Brokers I think it was interactive
brokers and then um I was able to get an account directly through
vision Financial at the time uh so I was able to get decent borrows
through them then I think I had a third
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broker I don't remember who they were um so I at least
got nine day trades per week you know because I was under the
pattern day trader Rule and then uh so I just started to work my way
from there and that two years of paper trading and just working on
strategies really helped me because it set me up for suddenly you
know doing 20 9 my account grew nicely I was now over the pattern
day trader rule then I hit 2020 and then things obviously really
started to accelerate in 20120 So yeah so really I mean if you think
about it th those good you know that 2020 2021 was really set up by
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spending a lot of time in previous years just you know
working on strategies and paper trading and you know um worrying for
my past mistakes so a couple things that come immediately to mind
the first thing is I mean can you say how much you lost on that on
that loss when you lost in 2014 and how much you made because you
made a lot and then you give it back right so it's not like you
lost yeah I was like where was I at I mean it's been like 10
years now so I it's like I remember I wrote a blog post about
it um I I I I want to say that I
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lost something like something like something like around
80,000 around 80,000 around 80,000 in one day or something like that
um I I I don't remember the exact number maybe it was 50 thou
it was like anywhere from $ 50 to $80,000 in a day and so yeah it
was just uh n look it was tough I know exactly how you feel because
I did they I've had a similar path to you um in 18 and 19 with
The Gap crop strategy as well 189 was golden golden for The Gap
crops in 20 um at a similar thing I turned $600 and over 100,000 I
got right over the 100,000 ,000 Mark I got to like
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103,000 but I was doing a bunch of dumb and like I was sh AMC
and it was at the time when it was squeezed really I was get get I
was getting lucky because like bad news came out about Ryan Cohen or
whoever it was and I was getting lucky um and then I lost um 30
something thousand in one day on a cobra account as well and I was
just like dude that was that was tough day to lose 30,000 if you
lost more than that it's you just sit there and think what the
hell just happened know yeah yeah oh yeah that's the thing
it's just like yeah it it's it's hard to
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mentally recover from that um the interesting is now is like
I'm actually um really good now at obeying stop losses and
things like that um you know uh I'm I'm really good at not
you know losing a massive amount on one trade uh how how how how did
you fix it cuz you had Terri you had bad discipline right you
obviously had bad discipline because you added to I think it's
just learning the hard way right it's just you know you lose
you lose you know those times where you don't obey stop losses
and you lose a huge amount you know um I mean even where I was
trading well like 2021 um although this
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was a little bit of a different situation but again you know
i' done so well shorting gappers and then I think it was end of
May I remember shorting this one gapper I don't remember the
ticker the ticker will started with a V but I don't remember
exactly I remember I I I shorted the gapper and it kind of faded a
little bit into the market closed so I decided to hold the short
overnight yeah and then the next day I remember waking up the next
morning and it gapped up way above the original Gap yeah and I think
I lost something like almost 100 Grand on that one trade um uh you
know of
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course i' done so well that year it it's still you
know it it didn't hurt me as much as obviously in the past but
still it's like um so it's just those things that have
caused me to change my rule sets now I'm actually very care
it's not that I won't hold shorts overnight I will but
I'm very very selective about what I've hold short
overnight and what my size is and like all that stuff you know
it's all just been from hard lessons I've learned over the
years um and so now it's like yeah I don't I'm really
good at obeying stop losses and stuff uh um for me now the the
challenge has
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been like I said is just getting enough data on on all the
because I'm wor I swear I've been working on probably 20
to 30 different trading strategies all at the same time and so
gathering enough data on each one of these these these strategies um
I'm good at following the rules on the strategy but the other
thing is is because you know obviously I'm looking sort for
certain types of patterns um but the market hasn't interesting
way of um like I said either revealing a a weakness in the strategy
that you're developing right um or um I'll be faced with
situations where I'll be presented with a it it's kind of
the pattern that
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I'm looking for but it's kind of like it's
kind of on edge like yeah I know like does it fit the pattern does
it not fit the pattern and it it's it's uh it's it
makes it hard to uh you know it's like it's one of those
things where where I'm trying to find the right balance between
not having a strategy so General that that you kind of lose your
Edge but not overfit the strategy to the point where it's not a
tradeable strategy right and so um that takes a lot of work and and
a lot of just observing things over and over and over again you know
so what's the hours that you're
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putting in that say on a day to track all of these strategies
oh jeez I mean uh it varies but I mean I could spend several hours
each day you know especially on the soul Market days I'll spend
time just um in fact recently what I've been doing um I
discovered a new site called Edge to trade ah yeah I know it's
yeah and and they have some nice historical data that you can get
especially on gappers um and so I've been taking some of the
strategies that I've been working on and then basically doing a
lot of out of sample testing like going back to you know 2017 2018
2019 uh you know just
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making sure like are the strategies that I do now are they
what do they have worked back then and you know I'm gathering
enough sample and and and um um and I feel like now I'm f um
I've actually taken a break over the past few weeks uh just and
just started paper trading again because I just feel like I want to
get I I feel like I'm close on most of my strategies but I
think um you know and I'm heading to UK in a few weeks anyway
so it's like I'm not going to trade when I'm over
there so um I thought you know why why not take a month off or so
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um and then when I come back I'll I'll kind of hit
it again with real money but uh um but yeah it's just one of
those things where that's the other thing about trading
it's a long game because you have [Music] [Music] [Music] to
there's no way around the work right like you know people see
trading and they all they think about is like you making all this
money in a short period of time but you don't realize like the
amount of work that has to go into like like learning like you just
you have to constantly watch the market every day like you have to
constantly watch how these stocks work and like you
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know um and if you watch them working enough you will start
to see patterns that start to repeat themselves and you'll just
be like oh wait I've seen that before oh I've seen that
before oh I think I could develop a strategy there you know and
that's really how a lot of the strategies I've been
working on um like I said I've been I used to like short a lot
I've been working on Long strategies because because because
like you know I think about all the other times where I got caught
in short squeezes where I shorted something too early or whatever
and I would think God that would have been a great long right
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yeah I was like there's there's got to be a way to
to identify those potential short squeezes that's something
I've been working on a lot lately and I I feel like I'm
starting to get some some strategies and some patterns down cuz like
the best alongs are the ones where you can actually get in on a
short squeeze you know 100% no but it's funny because the way
you describe it it makes me think of um there's I suppose
there's some element of luck and trading in the fact of finding
the strategies obviously some people are better finding strategy
strategies than other some people having more than natural eye for
it but there's also an
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element of look of are you going to put your sped in that
area where there's going to be gold underneath because
there's a million different things that you could try but
it's catching the right one at the right time to a degree yeah
yeah yeah um I'm just going to ask you a few questions about
transparency and furus because obviously K was a top it it verifies
the top transparent Trader so I was curious to know when to blog you
referred to yourself as an evil short seller now what I wanted to
ask you is are the short sellers really the evil people in the
market or are the furus and Pumpers the true evil
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in the market I would say it's the the Pumpers it's
hard to be a short seller like like I I love how people like want to
blame short sellers for every negative thing that happens to a stock
but it's like I don't think these people who say that
understand how hard it is to be a short seller I mean God like Jim
channels probably one of the greatest short sellers of all time
basically had to close his fund right I mean one of the best
investigative forensic short sellers that you know I mean he's
one of the guys that helped you know uncover Enron right um and all
the scandals and and uh accounting fraud
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and stuff going on with them um and it's just like the
problem is we're in a market now where you know some people
have heard this it seems like fraud generates Alpha it's just
like you got all these companies that are literally kind of getting
away with fraud and Broad open daylight makes it hard to be a short
seller because if you're the if you're the type that and
this is what Jim chano said time uh which you know the problem with
the markets is that no one short sellers are the only people who are
incentivized in real time to root out fraud right like yeah
that's like like where's the incent like there's tons
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of incentive for people to pump stocks right I mean
there's all this incentive and uh um but you know like
where's the incentive for people to to root out fraud in a
company like you know there's you know the only people who do
that are investigative journalists and there's not that many um
or short Sellers and uh um so it's just like short sellers are
kind of the the one of the only police in the stock market right you
know and and uh um you know you need them you really need them
because you need those people that are going to like expose fraud
and Scandal and and stuff like that you know um uh
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because there's there's a lot of it you know in the
markets and I I always I always say that if if Enron were to happen
today I think they'd get away with it it's getting worse
not better but I think um the quote that you've just just just
said um short sellers need to be the police of the market I mean I
think that's it's an unbel I don't know if
you've heard that from somewhere or if you've just kinded
that but it's an unbelievable quote because people say that
short selling is is it's unamerican to bet on things to go down
but it's like it's UNAM in a crazy Mar full of fraud to
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not let anyone do anything about it yeah yeah I know
it's like you know it's just like people just it it's
it's amazing what people will forgive as long as their number
go up right like it's just like people don't people
don't care about fraud or whatever as long as number and and
you even see that with with The Regulators right is a lot of times
The Regulators don't do their job until after a stock has
collapsed whatever then they come in say oh look at you know then
they'll come in and do something about it but they won't
do anything about the fraud if you know uh you know when when the
Stock's going
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up it's only after it's you know eventually
collapsed but I think I remember that HKD was it HKD was one of the
craziest Chinese tickers that I've ever saw went from oh yeah
three to 10 three to a thousand whatever it went to I just think how
is that possible and then Zach I saw Zach marus got he was he was
like SEC organization one year later nothing happened he's
he's like I no it's like like but do you have a favorite
pumper a favorite pumper I don't know I I haven't been
tracking the Pumpers lately um I don't know I I feel like I
feel like the biggest stock pumper in the market right
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now is Elon Musk yeah I me I mean well I mean you even just
saw it today like like well you saw it in the past month like like
basically the stock was collapsing everything was going bad and so
you know they was it Bloomberg or Rutters came out with the report
that they weren't going to have a model two or whatever the
stocks is going down suddenly Elon comes out hey we're gonna do
this Robo taxi reveal on August 8th remember this yeah completely
stops the stock from going down now the stock is skyrocketed on
nothing and then fin finally today it comes out that oh no just
kidding we're not going to do
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a robotx you reveal in August it he totally pulled it out of
his ass right it's to I mean it's so just blatantly
obvious fraud and stock pumping um and and we're talking like a
a a a stock that is you know trading for hundreds of billions of
dollars in market cap like it's just like like I mean I mean
you know people talk about gamestock and a GameStop and AMC you know
being the mem stocks you know but I mean really Tesla I would say is
the original meme stock because it still trades like a meme stock
and it's like you know it does I would he's the biggest
he's the biggest stock pumper
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you know out there right now like like like literally
actually someone had a funny meme like you know the whole astronaut
holding the gun at the other astronaut in front of the earth and
it's like I saw a meme where the astronaut was like wait so the
stock has been the product the whole time talking about Tesla he
goes always has been like now but um it's I mean we were I was
actually long Tesla for a while we just sold it we just sold most of
it as as along with me fiance we we took like 80% in a couple of
months I mean it's literally a meme stock but it's got
some it's
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got some fundamentals under it so it's like a me
it's like a meme stock like plus table mem stock cuz it's
actually not not piece of it's like it's a real company
but it's a meme stock it's like it's a good long but
but um in terms of kin4 you're on kin you've elected to be
on kin 4 you're on the leaderboard what was what was your
motivation to to be transparent to be on K for to decide to display
your information um I did just because Traders are notorious for
like I mean most Traders are just full of like like you know most
Traders like they they'll post their their gains but not their
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losses um they'll fake stuff you know they'll post
fake numbers like you know um you know if you were to go on social
media it gives you a very misleading perspective on how successful
Traders are um like it it's not really you're not getting
a realistic view of how difficult trading is uh and for me it's
like um like I've just always been a real guy like like I just
like I want people to understand hey trading is hard like and here
here's that my UPS and my Downs right like you know I've
done well but I've also struggled at times you know um and and
I just want to give people real information like
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like hey trading's hard you can make a lot of money from
it but you can also lose a lot um and it's you got to be in it
for the long game it's a lot of hard work you may actually put
more work into it than a full-time job you know I mean you know it
sounds really sexy but you know there's a lot of you know and
and um but there's a lot of you know downfalls to it too and
and I just you know um kind of want people that just have a
realistic uh or or just to know that hey you know I mean this is
what uh um you know I'm
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not hiding anything right you know I'm not you know yeah
you can see my gains but you know you can see my losses too you know
so like to tell you the truth I've I've worked in
advertising for 10 years more like 14 15 years I've worked in
advertising and I've worked across a lot of different
Industries and then obviously because I'm a Trader I thought oh
why don't I do marketing and advertising in this industry as
well and like it's such an ethical conundrum for us because
it's like I'm looking on YouTube and I'm looking at
okay so if I work for some companies what is going to get someone
the most views on
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YouTube is a thumbnail or a tagline or a headline and
it's like all of it is like do this million dooll strategy in
three simple steps or um yeah the the easiest plan with an 80% win
rate and I'm like it's a moral dilemma for me because
I'm like I want the clients to do well but I I physically
can't physically can't put that on YouTube because
it's just lies do you know what I mean it's misinformation
yeah oh oh totally and I feel the same issue so you know basically
my other industry I work on is is in the fitness industry and the
the fitness industry is very similar it's just full of right
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like people Pro promising oh you'll gain all this muscle
in so many days or lose all this fat in so many days and like um and
all this just snake oil and it's just a similar thing but
that's the stuff that that sells right that's the stuff
that sells and that like and there's a lot of people that take
advantage of it and and I just I won't you know it's like
um you know I mean could I make way more money in the fitness
industry I had you know given my background as a scientist I could
probably come up with something that sounds remotely scientifically
plausible but it's total but I could probably sell
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it and Market it and but but I just can't do that like I
just I can't I just can't do that you know there's a
lot a lot of people like kind who get ahead but I mean the only
thing for me that I think is like okay I'm going to use that as
the thumbnail and then the first thing you're going to see on
the video whoever it is the client is this isn't this
isn't this isn't actually true like oh do you know what I
mean just to just to get them in and I'm sorry it's
clickbait but I'm not lying sorry it's clickbait but at
least I didn't lie so not we're
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very very aligned I mean just jumping back to trading in
terms of I suppose a good question is if you could give yourself
advice when you just started knowing what you know now what would it
would it would it be um I I would say two things play the long game
don't get caught up in the short you know um and then just pay
yourself you know put money away and take constantly take money out
and if you're not trading well just trade with less money or
take a break and paper trade for a while um the Market's not
going anywhere you know don't be in a rush to make money um you
know um
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that that's what I would tell my my younger self you
know are you are you always using hard stops or do you sometimes
still use manal stops no I use all hard stops now like it's
always like I literally um put in as soon as I put in order I I put
in a stop loss you know a stop order and uh you know um you know
thing that sucks about stop Wars yeah sometimes you get some
slippage and stuff but you know what it's like you know
that's my trading plan and you got to stick to it right you
know I mean um there's there are way too many times where I
wish I
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had obeyed a stoplock you know when I used to have mental
stops and now now everything gets a hard stop now you know so when
when was the last time you used a mental stop oh it's been
years now really you've never slipped never slipped never just
yeah I I don't use I yeah no I don't use uh well the only
exception is I I don't do many long-term shorts uh but like for
example I have a small long-term short on Tesla and with this recent
run I'm a little under water on it and I had a stop a little
lower than where it is now but my position size is so small um and
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I haven't added to it um and I also have a bunch of puts
where it's just like you know the worst that can happen with a
put option is it just expires worthless so it's like uh um and
I have those kind of spread out at different strike prices and
different uh different expiration dates so so that's a case
where yeah I mean that's where I have more of a mental stop but
my position size pretty small anyway um uh but as far as all my day
trades and stuff like literally it's all like everything like I
don't remember the last time I used a mental stop on a day
trade like like um it's
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always just been um uh straight hard stops now sometimes I
may move the stop a little bit like by like 5 cents or something if
I feel like it's a little too tight or something like that um
I'll move the hard stop I might give something a little bit
more room you know or rather than risking one R maybe I'll risk
one and a quarter R you know if I feel like oh I think there's
some resistance in that area maybe I need to give it a little wiggle
room and I'll do that um but but I still have a hard stop order
in like you know so yeah that's that's that's
impressive though it's
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impressive that you've learned from your loss and you
you basically took a big loss it it ended things temporarily for you
but you are humble enough to come back and think I'm not going
to have no ego I'm not going to think I can run back into this
but the size I used to have completely L humble no Eagle paper
traded for years yeah and then thought okay I've got this again
so I mean it's brilliant how you've how you've
developed your discipline it gives me hope as a Trader that one day
I might I might make the elusive comeback and uh when the market
conditions are right um in terms of if it was
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a brand new Trader what what would you recommend the did uh
to get started because I know you're doing crazy research with
patterns and I guess it's stats right are you tracking thoughts
and data yeah I just have tons of Excel spreadsheets like you know
uh you know I'll notice just some pattern that I you know that
I think I could take advantage of and then I just try to find a
bunch of stocks that fit that pattern I'll keep an Excel
spreadsheet of you know the date and the ticker and the flow and
like all that stuff and try to see statistically if there's an
edge there you know um uh I think for
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any beginner I just say you just got to like watch the market
like like every day like just first kind of decide what you're
interested in trading you know are you a small cap are you
interested in large caps you know because they all kind of trade
differently are you Forex you know whatever are you crypto I
don't you know whatever you want to trade um you kind of just
gota nothing beats just like just time in the market like just
seeing things over and over and over again and watching how things
develop because now that and get you know you can get ideas from
other Traders but here's also what I want to say
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don't bother trying to follow another Trader what I mean
is don't don't try to follow another Trader's trades
it'll never work like like I have never had success trying to
follow another Trader's trades like there's too much
slippage a lot of times you just you quite you just don't have
a firm understanding of what they're actually doing um now you
can get ideas from from from them um but you have to take those
ideas and make them your own which means you still got to put the
time in the market you know um uh like like some of these Concepts
you know shorting gappers uh shorting multi-day Runners you know you
know the big parabolic
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you know Tim Sykes type squeezes you know um you know those
Concepts have been around forever and they're still profitable
to trade but you have to find it's up to you to to find the way
that you can trade those things right and that's where the edge
is like like you can't just short any gapper if it you know
like it like just shorting gappers you know what does that mean like
like how much of a gapper where do you put a stop loss you know you
know like like you know uh you know what time of day do you short it
at you know what type of pattern are you looking for um that's
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where the edge is and that's what takes the time to
figure out you know no 100% agree and I think I think uh speaking to
Hoodie uh on a earlier interview as well and he said the exact same
thing I mean where I stopped is I found a part and learned the edge
figured the exact time to short it based on say if a gap Gap if a
gap out gap's up 50% and it's got this much volume
probably the time that it's going to start to fail is like
let's say 950 9:55 10:00 10:5 and it's probably going to
go 16% from its open by the time it's looking to fail I had it
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I had it all down but when that stopped working I didn't
think ah should I adjust my metrics to reflect the changes in the
pattern I didn't do that yeah I just thought n these metrics
have worked for two years they're not going to change because
psychology doesn't change so the market shouldn't change
but my naivity was that psychology does change in the market
environment does change and exactly what you were saying before
maybe it was a strong ball market so companies were naturally doing
well and now it's a thing of scams are doing the reverse split
or Subzero stocks or Sub Sub sub dollar stocks are doing splits and
then they're pushing pushing pushing
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because they need to do dilution later and I just didn't
accept that change yeah and that's that's the lesson for
me it's you've always got to evaluate the the changes in
the patterns and look for new patterns because your pattern might go
away yeah yeah oh exactly yeah it's just like and that's
the challenge you know um uh and I see what you're saying
because yeah back 2017 2018 a lot of gappers just faded like right
out of the open like a lot you could add out R you could add out out
on those days not now yeah just I mean just recently I was kind of
going back and just looking using Edge to
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trade I was looking at the charts of a lot of the gappers
back then and yeah so many of them would just fade right away you
know and that's just not the case anymore um really you know uh
a lot of them don't fade while and you have some gappers that
just stay up and hold up you know and and uh um uh and for me and
some will still fade you know and for me it's it's um for
me it's been trying to look at you know I like to look at
Candlestick patterns and stuff like that like like what type of
patterns uh still kind of give a good opportunity of a f
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fade and what other type of Opp patterns are like you know
what there's probably not a good chance of a fader here you
know uh maybe I should avoid it or whatever you know and and that
that stuff is still there it just um um but it takes a lot more uh
um it yeah you have it has to be it's a little bit more
complicated um it can't be a a to totally simple strategy but
at the same time like I said before you can't be so complicated
that you overfit your strategy too so it's like you know and
for people that don't understand what I mean by overfit um
imagine you uh I'll
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just give you an example of either underfitting a strategy or
overfitting so like underfitting something where there's
probably no Edge you know what I'm going to to to buy any
opening range Breakout with a stop at the the low of the breakout or
whatever right super simple like can't get much simpler than
that right well that's there's no Edge there I guarantee
you if you run stats on that there's no Edge there it's
you're not that's not going to be a winning strategy um so
let's say then you're like okay I'm G to buy any
opening range breakout when the RSI is between 90 or 80 and 90 and
the moon is full and you
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know whatever like you have all these variables that have to
fit right well that's overfitting a strategy because
that's something like it's probably not repeatable right
it's prob you know whatever pattern you're looking for has
to be somewhat repeatable if you want to make money over time it
can't be so specific that you only can find a few instances of
that even happening right and so that that's what we call
overfitting a strategy so and so it's it's a matter of
finding that balance between not having enough variables that
you're looking at where you have no Edge but but but also not
having so many variables that you're looking at that it becomes
too complicated
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and and untradeable and and just isn't going to work and
so um there there's definitely a balance there that you have to
find as a Trader and that takes some work you know no it makes us
think uh keep it simple stupid but don't keep it too stupid
it's kind it's kind of like that right yeah exactly yeah
um we'll close out we've got a quick message uh from the
sponsor but I just wanted to give you I thank you first of all for
giving us your time especially being one of the top verified Traders
for kall but also I just wanted to give you the opportunity to see
any final message any any shout
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out for anything that anything that you might be doing
personally or or any just golden nuggets uh I would just say you
like I said uh just especially the the newer Traders and stuff and
even experienced Traders hey there's nothing wrong with sizing
back down if you're not trading well uh got to think the long
game and then you know what there's nothing wrong with paper
trading as well even when you're experienced Trader if
you're not trading well you know just take some time off figure
some things out you know um uh you know doing that type of thing um
uh but yeah I mean I do have a website although honestly I
haven't updated
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it uh in a couple years but I do have a website stock won.com
I I mean I do have a bunch of articles on there that people might
find helpful articles about you know just general strategy
development and paying yourself as a Trader things like that uh so
you know if people want to check that out they can um uh I do have
some social media accounts too people can follow me on um I'm
not on Twitter anymore or X I still call it Twitter um I mean my
account is still there but I I just don't like what has
happened to Twitter in the past few years so I I kind of stopped I
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don't post there anymore I'm mainly on threads now
so that's where I'm most active uh but same stock wonk uh
at stock won on threads so uh people can find me there so sounds
great thank you so much for your time prob appreciate it absolute
gems of advice and I think the most important takeaway for me and
I'm sure for everyone else is the fact that it's the
perseverance with the pattern because you're living proof of
someone like million you made pretty much million dollars in five
months but now you're persevering to find the next million
dollars right all perseverance and sizing down so uh thanks so much
for your time yeah thank you thank
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you so much for watching and I just do want to remind you one
more time about Cobra's ultimate trade up package Cobra Prime
the link is in the description click it below I'll see you on
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In
this episode our host Stephen Johnson sits down with The Trading
Farmer, a unique trader with $1.7 million in verified trading
profits. From the heart of farm country to the fast-paced world of
trading, The Trading Farmer shares his journey of balancing life on
the farm with strategic trading decisions.
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They dive into the importance of risk management, the
emotional aspects of trading, and how a strong work ethic cultivated
in the fields translates into success in the markets. Whether
you're a seasoned trader or just starting out, this episode is
packed with practical advice that you can apply to your own trading
journey.
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What You'll Learn:
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Stay Patient and Disciplined: Patience in waiting for the right
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Diversify Knowledge, Not Just Portfolios: Understanding multiple
trading strategies can provide better opportunities in varying
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mastering trading strategies.
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00:00 Introduction - Meet The Trading Farmer
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02:15 The Trading Farmer’s Early Days on the Farm
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05:40 How The Trading Farmer Got Started in Trading
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10:22 First Big Break in the Market
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19:10 The Importance of Discipline and Patience
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23:00 Overcoming Challenges in Trading
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32:50 Key Tools and Resources for Traders
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37:15 Advice for New Traders
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41:30 What’s Next for The Trading Farmer
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today we welcome the trading farmer just I love the farm and
so it's kind of like my identity who sits on K for's
alltime leaderboard with 1.7 million in verified profits and I
finally had a breakr and I said let's just simplify it yeah but
it was at my lowest point I was basically broken it's like
it's like kind of like an addiction story I hit rock bottom and
I that's when I finally just was like these three things it was
welcome back everybody today we welcome the trading farmer who sits
in seventh place on K for's alltime leaderboard with 1.7
million in verified profits we're going to jump into his
trading strategies this industry
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transparency his top tips for new Traders and hopefully just
a little bit about what that name's about because that's
one of the more unusual and fun uh tra Trad names I've come
across but uh just very quickly I just want to say that Kimo pro and
pro plus are still free for your first month log in click upgrade uh
you can you can access advanced reports and analytics just click on
the description below but first trading farmer how are you and and
how did you get that name well uh I'm doing great hopefully you
you are doing great too and thank you for having me on hopefully we
can put together a good show here
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uh and uh the trading farmer uh that's I I got the name
because uh it's deeply rooted in my family history uh
we're Farmers from North Dakota and uh I've always worked
on the farm since the third grade every summer my parents moved away
they moved here to Arizona but their siblings still Farm there big
farms 5,000 Acres you know 350 cows and ever since the third grade I
would go there um and I started to just help out and work and it
kind of became a thing and I just my every summer I went there and I
worked and I every year I got paid a little bit more um and and
that's how
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I funded my trading account uh and it also was you know I
mean it's just I love the farm and so it's kind of like my
identity and so that's that that that's the trading farmer
kind of story short version to not bore people no but I mean what I
absolutely love about this is you went from harvesting on the farms
to harest in the markets for Cold Hard Cash and and then that
that's a good story so this 1.7 million that you've made
like what clicked for you to go from unprofitable loser Trader to
generating this kind of 1.7 million amount of money yeah so the 1.7
I mean it's a little outdated number
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I have to update my Kino I've been I've been a
little busy with my ex-girlfriend dealing with you know that drama
but yeah a little bit more than 1.7 but what clicked a lot of things
clicked uh but the main thing is I simplified my approach to the
market and that was what I did when I was about ready to quit I was
you know all these gurus on YouTube that I was following whether
that was Ross whether that was Ricky who lives here in Arizona
whether that's live Traders it was the same story it's all
this complex hoot keys and all these complex uh ideas and and and
and I finally had a breakr
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and I said let's just simplify it give me a buy Market
button give me a sell Market button I'm going to get in one
time I'm G get right out and I'm going to have fun okay
and so that started with also lowering share size and that's
kind of how fell into this hypers scalping mode is I lowered my
share size to where I could with my cash account at the time take as
many trades as I wanted so it gave me this freedom to uh take
whatever trade I wanted to and since the size was so small my
emotions were not getting the best of me and I was starting to just
have fun
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um so that's one two this is very important and and and
and I teach this at at trading Farmer Plus my my course if you will
that I I really just don't I I I undersell it but Max loss uh I
I had a Max loss but I never really respected it I always thought
once I become profitable then I'll start actually following a
Max loss and it's just it it it blows my mind that I used to
think that but it was at my lowest point I was basically broken
it's like it's like kind of like an addiction story I hit
rockbot and I that's when I finally just was like look dude
first
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of all you're lowering your share size because
you're just trying to make $200 a day you've made
absolutely nothing I made absolutely nothing after 12 months of
trading I didn't really lost anything but I made not even a
single dollar and so uh the max loss thing was number two okay and
the lowering share size number three and then and that's just
you know a lot of things clicked okay there's I don't want
the beginners to think I just found some Secret it and then
overnight you know it it it clicked there was a lot of tough lessons
I had to to to learn and eventually it all came together to where it
was these
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three things it was simplifying it was the max loss it was
the lowering the share size it was using Market orders instead of
fooling around with these brackets and these limit orders and these
offsets uh and I just started to have fun nice and and yeah that I
I'm not very good with the American Sports but like with as you
guys say in football or NFL or whatever like the best thing you can
say is on a on a on a trading's full of pressure right so the
best thing you can say to someone under pressure is look just go and
have fun go and have fun enjoy it do your best and see what
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happens and that generally uh gives the best results but I
just wanted to ask you what is the like what what's the pattern
like what are you doing like what are you doing to generate 1.7
million so we're you we're I me I'm trading low float
stocks uh these are you know companies that are garbage but on one
particular day they just go nuts and they're just ripping
usually uh you know big percentage moves and and I'm looking to
just get in and get right back out and and ride the volatility and
and it starts with looking for and this especially for the 5050
strategy that I landed on is it's focusing on dips in
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the price like I'm not just talking pullbacks I'm
talking about say for example when a stock breaks out it
doesn't just go from $4 doll to$ Five Doll there's usually
it goes to 415 and then it drops to 402 and then jumps up to 420 and
so that that oscillation those those micro waves within the bigger
move I'm capturing those in and out over and over again whereas
traditional Traders traders that grew up with permissions right this
strategy is is is is found in free commissions and and instead of
just buying and maybe adding and holding I'm just getting in
catching the five cents here getting back in on the next dip another
five cents
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um and that way you're not putting so much emphasis on
one trade okay and so the patterns I'm looking for the same as
everybody bull Flags right I'm looking for breakouts I'm
looking for bull Flags I'm looking for ABCDs and that's a
another big pattern that I teach and that I push is what I call the
W's and this is basically ABCD pattern uh but I look for these
ABCDs and even the most abstract uh uh patterns you know not just
the traditional uh ABCD but just W's in general double bottom
false breakdown type thing um so it's kind of a combination of
looking for those W's and also looking for breakouts where I
can
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get in and keep getting in getting out getting in getting out
and if it's not and if it's not working because this
doesn't work on every stock okay sometimes the way the market
makers are working that day or on that stock it's just like
you're getting screwed on your entries and your exits okay but
what sometimes we find these stocks often actually where we can just
trade these micro waves these these these waves and we're just
getting in and out and and and over and over again oh it makes a lot
of sense it's it's really fascinating I'm going to
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to get straight back into it I'm I'm really curious
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so we are back right now I'm I'm super curious because
you've just said the strategy is born of from commission free
trading so it's not like there's some 20 30 40 year old
Guru who's who's laid out the playbook for this you have
you thought of this like who taught you it how did you figure it out
well it it it it is and I'm not saying I'm the only person
in the world to land on this and and maybe someone could do this
with commissions uh I just haven't seen it it just wasn't
on YouTube and and how I landed on it was
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um when I finally hit rock bottle I was trying to trade like
the the guru Ross or like humbled tra actually I didn't I
didn't learn much from her but say Ricky and uh you know I was
looking for confirmation I was looking for first candle to make a
new high I was doing the small account way which is one trade a day
according to these gurus and again it didn't work okay
that's the long the long story short it didn't work 12
months 13 months of trying to copy what was out there for me to
learn from for free trying to copy that failed and so what I did was
I lowered my share
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size and what that allowed me to do inevitably is just keep
getting in and out and just trying to go for that $1 a day just if
it even if it's 10 cents at a time because I I looked at my
metric I said I'm not I had trade I traded 13 months here
trying to do what that Guru is doing what that Guru is doing and
what all these what all these experienced Traders are saying Which
is less trades more money which maybe is true to some extent uh but
it wasn't until I lowered my share size uh and and and that
allowed me because I had a cash account again to take a
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lot of Trades and and what I found was I'm just looking
for those quick trades and those quick trades are often those quick
dips in price on a strong stock and so what I would do is just get
in and get right back out and so at first it was like okay I'm
going to stick to less trades but then I realized why because if I
just keep going I just keep making more money and so it just it
eventually it just kind of was where it's like I'm up 10
bucks I have plenty of buying power the stock is still volatile
there's still waves there's still opportunity so I just
kept going and going
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and at first people were uh in those early days were like oh
he's using Market orders oh he's taking 200 trades a day
that no that less trades more money and that was the story and so at
first it was like I'm not saying I'm the only one but it
was at first there was a lot of naysayers and they were like ah no
no you know uh but I just kept going and and it was just like micro
base hit trades one after another over and over again and it
eventually came to the point where one day I was able to size up and
it was it was a day where I was emotionally
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triggered this is about a month after I made that switch to
small size I got emotionally triggered I already had shown I had
already shown consistency and then that's the thing too I
can't stress enough like I traded a month with 25 to 50 shares
and I made way more money than I ever did trying to take four or
five trades with 300 shares I I it's like it's hard to
believe but I really just dug into that approach of let's just
get into a trade if it doesn't work right away out if if I get
into a dip and it's not going green on me within a second mark
it out why can I
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do that free commissions so I mean and I have small size I
was going to ask it um so what's you risk on these but you just
said it you're immediately out immediately doesn't matter
if you go red you're not waiting you're not waiting to go
red you're in didn't do what you thought you're out
so it could be a green trade like one cent 0.1% do you know what I
mean what yeah 100% that is the foundation now as I've gotten
more experience and sometimes I do those W trades where I'm
looking for ABC there's some trades over time now that yeah I
do give them some time to work but still the foundation
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is get in and if it's not going in your favor right away
just get out because it's free commissions and you have
unlimited trades you can take yeah it's crazy but is this I
mean is it more obviously you're you're really in trune
with specific patterns in the market so you can predict how
they're going to behave and then you're going to buy your
short accordingly but is there any Confluence or any kind of wait
for it to drop to a significant support level or it's all on
the level two what is there any secret to this this the I
wouldn't say so much secret but over time you do get a better
sense of
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hey let me take a look at the daily chart right let me see
where this where what's the bigger picture right we're
we're looking for micro movements but we're looking at the
bigger picture so to answer your question the secret is the all
Traders are looking at the same thing is is the daily chart good
does it look good is does it look bullish or is this the kind of
stock that likes to just sell off right at the open is this kind of
a stock that is is the daily chart is just garbage is this the kind
of stock or is the five minute chart is it look bullish is there a a
bull
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flag is it in a breakout or is it trending downwards all
right you're going to want to focus on the stocks that are
making higher highs that are are getting putting in bottoming tails
that it's dropping but it's coming right back over and
over again because some stocks they just go straight down and so
it's it's it starts not only with the patterns but also
the stock selection it starts with the stock selection is it a lowf
flat stock stock stock is it a stock that has volume is it a stock
that's above vwap does it have uh bullish patterns and then you
can start to go into the micro and say hey this is
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a five minute breakout out of a wedge right that's not a
secret everybody knows what a wedge is everybody knows what a bull
flag is okay and then from there you can start to read the price
action on the level too is is the bid in the ask moving in a way
where you can actually see the price dip and then rebound or is the
bid in the ass flying all over the place uh that's what I would
call an unstable uh bid and ass or an unstable spread so we're
looking for you know the right stock or we're looking for Price
action that's stable and predictable we're looking for
stocks that are are strong
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uh and it's not really like it's not really a
secret it's it's if you spend any sort of time trading you
see hey this is a strong stock okay okay what patterns do we see on
the F minute chart okay if that's good okay let's go to
the level two does this level two make sense or is it hard is it
hard to read we're looking for Easy Money easy money not every
day is going to be easy money uh uh I don't know I don't
know if anybody understood anything I said but no in essence
that's kind of the idea that makes 100% sense everything that
you're saying makes 100% sense it's really it's
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quite inspiring actually because you don't you've
made 1.7 million doing this but is it just the case to start off
I'm going to try and make a dollar a day and if I what if I
lose a dollar I'll quit and now and if I make a dollar I'm
also going to quit and I'm going to say at the end of the month
I've made more dollars and I've lost dollars um so the the
thing with the make the dollar a day is is it's a psychological
thing and I I push this a lot with my students or friends or
whatever you want to call the people I've helped uh find
success and it's a
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psychological approach where before I was trying to make a
$10000 a day with the bigger size and that resulted in making
nothing it resulted in making nothing so what I did is bringing it
down to making $1 a day it's not that it's not that I only
want to make $1 a day I'm setting the bar so low that it's
almost impossible not to exceed it that's one so that that
starts to bring positive energy into you know hey look people are
setting these bars that they're never going to attain so every
day they're like ah I didn't get the hundred bucks ah I
didn't get the 200 bucks so the whole the $1 a
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day thing is is a psychological thing to get people to start
focusing on the process not the profits it's to start focusing
on hey you don't need to try to go for the Hail Mary big trade
the one trade a day let's just just come in here have fun with
small size and try to make a dollar you'd be surprised that a
lot of people are able to do that when when the bar is set low when
the emotions are low when they actually have an opportunity to use
their imagination instead of this whole I need to make $200 a day
for this to work let's focus on the on the on the process not
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the profits and eventually the profits will come that's
that's what happened to me and that's what's
happening to a lot of people uh that I've worked with is just
saying hey guys lower your size just focus on a dollar day now when
I did that approach I ended up making 10 20 $30 a day uh uh and
I'm not talking about $1 per share I'm literally talking
about make $1 a day it's when I changed to that idea I started
to make 105 $20 a day consistently with ease because I was just
taking a bunch of little trades not one single trade was putting me
at risk of blowing up my account or destroying all
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my profits on the day I was just getting in Market orders and
getting out Market orders uh which also that's a big thing with
the 50/50 and what I teach and what was not really being taught at
the time was uh Market orders are amazing especially uh for the
hypers scalping because you're not sitting there and getting
your order half filled and then it flushes right you're just
grabbing whatever is there and you're getting out whatever it
is you know we're not we can't predict the price
you've set a limit order at this price how many times does it
come to your price or a penny before it and then it Rejects and so
although
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technically the guy with the limit order maybe technically on
paper would have been making more money but over a large sample size
the guy who's just grabbing whatever the market is producing on
the bounce back up he's gonna he's just going to be way uh
he's going to be locking in locking in locking in uh profits I
think a lot more consistently than somebody who's who's
setting these limit now with that said I do use limit orders from
time to time usually on the sell side and that's um and I know
I'm going kind of all over the place but that's when kind
of the spreads are bigger uh because that's when Market orders
can
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kind of screw you yeah uh but I think I I think I may have
forgot what your original question was yeah the $1 a day but
it's more of a case of if someone is hitting limit orders
it's like what is the opportunity cost of missing out if you if
you don't take the trade and and then if you've got a
certain probability of starts if it works 70% of the time you
don't want to miss some of those trades because it messes with
your probabilities as well yeah it's it is so many times like
yeah it's just you you miss the move or you miss the profit
taking opportunity because oh the stock went
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just a penny below where you thought it was going to go and
and no one knows the future yeah we we like to say yeah it likes to
break the whole dollar it doesn't always and so it's more
so I'm looking for red on the tape uh for that quick dip entry
and then as soon as I see green on the tape and the price is moving
green I'm I'm selling market and and and just over and
over again that makes a lot of sense um I'm interested to hear
had a lot of people say for a lot of years that um the patterns are
somewhat easy to learn but it's the mental aspect that
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is uh much more difficult the mental aspect is something
I've really struggled with for example um I love to be creative
also love to drink a bottle of Wayne I love to do excessively long
runs but I I like to be excessively stupid as well as do excessively
healthy things as well and sometimes in trading when the emotions
run High being an emotional person I just don't want to press
the sell button in a trade when I'm wrong when maybe a little
bit too much is on the line or even if just a little bit's on
the line so is there any way of getting over because when
you're sculpting for such little amounts if
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you don't keep to your discipline and risk you can
quickly you can quickly lose a lot of the the profits you work hard
to pick up yeah and I I have developed cuz um uh my my dad who
I'm teaching this struggles with this but what I teach people
is is the count to three and especially with the style that of the
5050 of this hypers scalping style get into a trade on a dip right
on on on on you know and and so it's a little harder than just
buying a dip but get into the trade count to three and sell get into
a trade count to three and sell and then that's an
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exercise to just get used to this idea of hey we're
hypers scalpers we're getting in we're looking for just
quick pops quick entries off a dip either during a breakout a micro
dip at a breakout maybe a double bottom dip and and and and so for
you Ste uh Stephen that some I would do is just get into the habit
of hey every trade you take no matter what the outcome is count to
three and sell count to three and sell and so you get into this
habit of I I don't even know how many times I've been into
a trade where I buy the dip and then it flushes even more s more s
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more s sell instantaneous no hesitation and it's
it's hard to do I think I may have forgotten how hard it is uh
but when you're a hypers scalper you're so used to just
buying market and then my hand is on the hotkey and and sell market
right away if and and as you get more experience that's when
you can start buying these dips and in the right moments you can
instead of selling right away you can start to hold and you know
that's why not only is you know hypers scalping is is great but
it also kind of helps you learn to hold trades for longer in a way
because you can trust yourself that
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you will sell it when it turns against you you you don't
I I don't struggle with that really anymore I do not in fact I
struggle more with selling trades too soon and selling them too A
lot of times I buy a trade it dips a little bit more and I I cut it
right away and then it bounces right back and that's just
that's just what happens and I'll get right back in if
that happens I'll get right back in on the next dip and
it's just in and out and I think for you 100% I know you can do
this but 100% there's people way Dumber out there doing this
5050 because I
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taught them and I can't speak for everybody uh
that's hypers scalping but I know who I taught and and and and
I know you can do it so that's an exercise to count to three
that's that's an exercise that's not what I do uh and
done to make 1.8 but it's similar no it's it's very
it's very interesting and this this strategy that you're
talking about now people will have seen the other episodes prior a
lot of hypers scalpers it's in line with this commission free
movement it's a modern strategy people are making a lot of
money a lot of people on the kall leaderboard I'm making a lot
of money doing it so I
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would personally encourage a lot of people to take this
seriously because I know Scotland had a bit of a bad name ah
it's just scalping how do you manage your risk but look I see a
lot of people making a lot of money and you making some of the most
out of them all so uh yeah yeah Stephen it's it's this
hypers scaling 50/50 since you know when I first went live with it
actually teaching it on YouTube I I didn't see anybody else
doing anything like it um and I you know I started out as a small
Channel and there was maybe 10 15 people following and watching and
of those people you know
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four or five of them within weeks not even much time they
just they replicated exactly they moved they were they were Warrior
students and they were kind of doing that whole style uh and then
they ended up finding my channel by chance and and very quickly they
just started replicating it with a lot of success and I'm not
saying it's for everybody but I'm saying it seems to me
and that was two years ago it seems to me ever since I uh taught
those people and and came live with it it's just like
everybody's doing it and it's and it's um it seems to
be easier than what all these other gurus are doing or
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had done n makes makes makes a lot of sense makes 100% sense
and I I think it's the wave of of the it's almost a wave
of the next generation of trading and like you want to be early on
it you don't want to be doing it in five years when everyone
else is doing it because it might change everything again but like
you want to be on it in on it now get the money now you I mean well
there's this idea of this Edge erosion that some of um um my my
my students have been going on about and they they were actually
like not wanting to teach people this and and I
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don't know maybe eventually that becomes a thing where
there's so many people buying Market selling Market you know
over and maybe it just becomes too much I haven't seen it yet I
think actually the more people involved in this the better yeah uh
but there is that certain idea of like hey there is a potential that
there comes a point in time that so many people are doing this maybe
even hedge funds they're probably already doing it with
algorithms like we've basically taken what people were doing
with algorithms already for years and we're just manually doing
it and uh it maybe it's in my head possibly the case but uh it
is that free commissions
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that because if you were charging me $7 a trade based off of
uh how many trades I say it' be like a, doll of commission
every day it would be like a quarter million dollars of commissions
every year that would that would soak up at least 50% of my profits
yeah and so it's it's these free commissions it's new
thing A lot of people are picking up on it and I think you're
going to be the next person to do it you're interest I'm
75% sold in I'm 80% I'm I'm 100 I'm 85% sold in
by The End by the end of this I'll be 100% hey you might buy my
course by the end
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of this this this might sell you but um talking about
transparency gurus and furus which is the next section um what
motivated you to be on kful yeah there's a lot of things but um
a lot of people I think it just came down a lot of people were like
hey dude get on kinfo and it was a word of mouth thing where
it's like farmer get on Kimo because some of the people that
you know and it's kind of a little bit of a I don't want
to say drama show but they there were some people that I knew that
were hypers scalping that were connected to some of the people
I've taught okay
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um but it was mainly because people were saying hey get on
Kimo it's great and to verify your profits is is is you know
the icing on the cake now no one was questioning my profits really
you know it wasn't because it was like oh we don't know if
you're legit I think people had done the research I'm
trading live every day I'm teaching it I've taught plenty
of people this style so there was no question uh but I just wanted
to get my name up there because I'm like hey guys look I got
1.7 I you know it kind of like that I like that leaderboard kind of
reminds me of Call of Duty
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kind of reminds me of Xbox and and so I was like let me on
there you know not only will it show my stats and back up my whole
story uh but you know that that it it's also just kind of a
community thing and that's what kinfo I think does a great job
with no absolutely and then we'll have the podcast now and then
you're getting to meet everyone in the top 10 and now
you're getting to really know the people behind the the
usernames of the top 10 so it's going to another level as well
it's it's super cool but um in terms of pump as F ru gurus
like I'm thinking about
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what Pumas arguably you might have mentioned a few Pumas
already questionably but I'm thinking like RoR and kitty Zach
or you could say warrior trading I don't know I don't want
to say he is or he isn't I don't know but do you think
these guys are good for the industry or bad for the industry well
for Roar and kitty I don't really know much about uh but I you
know I don't know much about what he's doing the the
warrior trading how much of a pump he is I I I don't think he
is guilty of some egregious pump scheme if anything maybe just a
little bit pushing the course material a little bit
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beyond what it's worth in my opinion so maybe pumping a
course is what Ross is guilty of uh boring Kitty I think is more
guilty of pumping actual stock prices now now ultimately speaking
Ross with the following he has yes people are going to follow him
into trades and they're going to be probably a second behind
him so yes it does increase his profits a a little bit but um um um
uh I'm sorry what what was the question again the the morality
the the ethical aspect of uh yeah Pumas and other yeah you know I
don't know I I I I feel like yeah the industry has been
historically full of some Bad actors
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where it is very much you know hey by this stock at this time
you know and then people fall for it and and unfortunately people a
lot of times lose money um now I don't think there's
anything ille illegal with saying hey guys this stock I believe in
it I'm in it you know this one could go to the Moon I you know
that is is one thing and as long as they clar you know make clear
like hey guys by the way you know day trading's risky you could
very well get spoked on this this is my opinion I'm in I'm
in this stock it looks like a good pattern uh so I think
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I think it it is a fine line and I think a lot of people are
guilty of not walking that fine line very well and that's what
I've tried to do since the start just morally speaking with the
family I was raised in just being truly transparent and honest
because even I'm trading live and I have on the banner hey M
trading will result attempting to mirr trade or copy my trade trades
will result in losses I don't want anybody to think that I am
somehow trying to pump a stock um and that's just something
I've done to be over and Beyond I think the bare minimum of
being truly so as far as roring
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Kitty I don't know I don't know what he's all
doing uh but I hope he's making it clear to at least the new
traders that hey uh there is significant risks involved involved
involved the um Penny socks have got like the worst name um and they
always have these micro cap stocks especially the low floats that
you trading like would you change anything with the industry or like
does it not matter as long as you're making money and other
people can make money does it matter well would I change anything I
I think I have for my channel and that is just being so honest so
straightforward that it's almost it's it's it's
not even
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pretty right telling the truth and being honest is not always
a very attractive thing to do right I I could do the only showing
the green days I could do you know just showing all these big
profits and I really could just be posting about 1.7 million every
day and I could be I could take all the warnings I got warnings up
the wazu on my website yeah I have like the my results are not
typical don't M trade you know even with my course I I
undersell it because I don't want want to be known as that Guru
I don't want to be a guru I want to be me and I want to
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be a guy who's helping people that's what I've
done and so to change anything yeah I've gotten rid of the
gimmicks the only gimmick I have is the 30% off my course that I
don't really push um and I'm not doing the spin the wheel
I'm not doing the small account challenge that the odds are
nobody's going to be able to replicate such a thing this small
account I think that's so deceptive it's great for clicks
it's great for views and there's there's in the
industry there's this this idea of you know that Holy Grail so
there's some gurus that are like this is the Holy Grail um I
don't do that and and I'm
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not saying I'm the only person that doesn't do that
but there that is something I would like to change I think it is
changing I think people are realizing that these these you know like
the Tim syes I'm not saying he's a scammer but there was
this kind of this Vibe where people are like day trading is a scam I
think I think I think that's changing I think the viewpoint of
the next generation is changing and I think it's channels like
mine and I think it's channels like uh others out there that
are also like saying like Hey we're legit people verified
profits on kinfo right or verified somewhere and and we're not
kidding
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around we want to help you here's a course right
here's my course this course I I built as if I would give it to
a family member there's no bells and whistles um you know I
think you know I think it if that's what I would change
it's to get rid of the gimmicks no it's it's
interesting I was I was speaking to um Kyle who who echoed similar
thoughts to you and he was saying saying saying um like four years
ago it was kind of cool to show a Lambo and like now if you show a
Lambo it's kind of like you might be a furu you might be a SC
do you know
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what I mean like 100 yep it's changed so it's
changed that people don't don't we don't care you
know that everybody's got a Lambo really at this point
it's like that that card and it's not even in the day
trading sphere let's let's zoom out it's just the
whole online course area that blew up especially in covid and and
before that it was is still a thing where it's like it's
like that card has been played and people have fallen for it people
have been sued already FTC has Ste it so that card has been played
we get it you're renting the Mansion it's a rented Lambo
probably even if it's not you know no
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one cares it's a Lambo it's it's not even you
know for me I'm a farm kid I don't want a Lambo I want a
truck uh and and so you know the the nicest car I have is a 2003
Mustang that I bought in high school and then I got a 2017 Toyota
4Runner those are my two cars okay and and I've sometimes Flex
them but not really and I still live at home so I'm not flexing
any rented house I'm not I'm not I'm not flexing I
don't want this to be me making myself feel righteous but just
to your point the lambo stuff it's over it's done the
small accounts challenge garbage it's
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done it's over it's unrealistic for 99% of people
to show up with 500 bucks and to turn it into it's near
impossible so let's get let's get realistic with people
and let's be authentic and so far what I've learned is
it's a it people love it and they're buying it up yeah I
think with technology comes the opportunity for a lot of people and
um to be scammed but it also brings a lot of transparency and and in
platforms like Kino give credibility where you can find you can find
those Niche people who are actually good in deliver and value you
can also get tricked by a lot of people but it's also easier to
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discern who's good from bad with this with a little bit
of intelligence like with a little bit of intelligence like ah
he's on Kim for ah it's verified he's a Lambo yeah
the Kimo is is great and the whole thing with Kimo is yes the
community community community yes the leaderboards but it's
also just like bringing legitimacy to traders who want you know to
be helping people and and having the verified profits is is is
allowing people to to know they're legit and the thing is with
kinfo is it's easy to use and and I was always thinking like
hey uh where do I verify my profits I'm like do I need to go to
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this CPA firm what do I need to do and and so when people
came to me and they say hey kinfo all you to do is sign up put in
some credentials for your for your broker and and boom you know full
transparent so there was there was a person in my Discord where
there was a question of whether he's legit and and and there
was a simple solution and we were like hey just sign up on Kimo s
and then we won't question anything okay unfortunately you know
and and Kimo is not for everybody I'm not here to blindly sell
it Kimo is great and I've used it and I'm using it uh he
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decided to not do it and so that's on him and and and so
he was not we were not able to for sure verify his profits uh but
just know that don't be upset when people don't think
you're think you're think you're legit yeah no 100%
agree um and then if we'll move over just to to close on just a
few tips for some of the new Traders you have any advice for like
for example what's the biggest problem in new Trader you think
faces or tra has come to you that face and and and what's the
advice that you can give for them to overcome it I it I it I think I
think
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I think I think patience and emotions I think people come
into this career thinking it's quick money it's easy money
so I think new Traders come in you know kind of with unrealistic
expectations like hey I'm going to put two to three months into
this and I'm going to be making money like trading farmer or
like uh uh of the people you were talking about that you have
interviewed and and there's some people that that they're
like I I think in two or three months I'm going to do it's
like no you got to have realistic expect this is going to take uh
years you know on the low end maybe a year okay but
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it's going to take time sitting in the driver's
seat putting time on the track practicing and and and and you know
and the emotions too is another thing is people come in and they
don't have uh uh they don't have maybe a stable home maybe
they had struggle with addiction maybe they are have a breakup going
on or maybe their backs against the wall they have bills to pay
they're just not emotionally ready uh to be performing
consistently under pressure in what is probably one of the most
emotionally triggering careers you can do and so you match
unrealistic expectations with someone whose emotions are not are not
are not stable uh stable uh stable uh
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it's it creates for an opportunity for people to blow up
their accounts and it just starts to snow I mean people talk about
it people have killed themselves over trading losses it's a sad
thing and so uh for beginners you got to really ask yourself are you
serious about doing this the right way if you are starting a
simulator graduate to real money but small size and if you're
trading the 50/50 that shouldn't be too hard to do because at
the end of the day with the small size you're using you can
just have fun and and if you're having trouble with cutting
your losing trades then you go to trading Farmers 3 second exercise
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and maybe you have to do that for a month where it's
just like hey I'm counting to three on every trade and I'm
just working on the process I might not even make any money this
month but I'm working on just getting into the habit of getting
in getting out no matter what no makes a false sense false sense um
did anyone actually what's the best advice anyone's
actually given you I think the best advice uh would come from you
know believe it or not um a lot of the big gurus but you know
starting in a simulator and a lot of people the simulator gets a bad
RAB now because thinker swim simulator is
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kind of garbage uh but starting into a simulator and and and
actually seeing if you are dedicated to wake up and do this every
day cuz here in you have to wake up at 6:00 a.m. I have to wake up
at 5:45 in the morning and and and so the best advice was to
essentially what I'm relaying to you guys starting slow
starting in a simulator having realistic expectations don't
have this as being your Hail Mary two months of learning and then
you're going to go full size trying to make $3,000 a day like
farmer you know so the the whole idea of of of going slow I think
that's that's it and the last
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question just to close us out on is I don't think
I've asked I hope I haven't it's say why why do you
think that you've succeeded in this industry when 95% of all
Traders if not more lose uh I I think there's a there's
there's a lot of reasons um one is is you know thankfully I was
able to be in a position where I could work on this every day
without pressure of paying bills and I also never gave up and I
think that's also I was in a position where I could just keep
grinding at a little bit and there was a lot of setbacks and there
was a lot of times where
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it's like I I didn't make any money at this for 14
months 12 to 14 months not a single dollar meanwhile people are
laughing at me people and again and mind you there was no hypers
scalper on YouTube teaching this stuff it did not exist uh so uh you
know it was a there was Ross Cameron but again I you know not a lot
of people I know are actually truly trading like him so there there
was this idea of like stubbornness I was stubborn I had told a lot
of people day trading legit I had told so many people so I was like
I cannot quit and so it's this idea of I never
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quit I did it the right way I started in a simulator for six
months I woke up every day I fell in love I think that's I
think that's more why did I see I fell in love with I got
addicted this time not to drugs not to weed not to nicotine I got
addicted to day day day trading uh and it's just the perfect
storm where I had you know I had the farm money so I got the PDT I
had I had the stubbornness in me to keep going even when people were
laughing and I knew I was drowning I just was like this is is this
even possible so yeah I think
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all those things as well as many more and I think at the end
of the day it's about falling in love with trading having
realistic expectations and never giving up that's the recipe
that I see not in myself only I see it in in a lot of successful
Traders there's no guru there's my course is not going to
get you profitable overnight you're going to have to sit down
and you're going to have to go through hell and back over and
over again I think very beautifully pots um is there any final words
anything else you want to close out on before we um we finish out
it's been fantastic it's been a privilege to
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talk to you thank you for coming on really enjoyed it um eye
opening in many ways for everyone but any any final words final
words final words final words can't think of anything I mean I
I just I I'm happy to you know just be on here and yeah I
didn't know like I was like Stephen from kinf Fall is like this
could be a scam so I'm you know I'm just I was like you
know who what is this a setup is this a a scam so no I don't I
don't think I have any final words but I do appreciate you know
I feel flattered I guess that people are reaching out and
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and you know I guess I used to be the guy looking up to other
people and now I'm in a position where some people are looking
up to me and I'm trying to be a good Steward of that even
though I'm kind of young and I kind of I I I I don't hold
my tongue I say if you guys watch me live I trade live in the
morning uh for free on YouTube I I I definitely say some I say
whatever's on my mind but I try to do it hopefully uh in a way
that doesn't upset too many people but I think that's the
most that's the most important way to be the
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most important way to be is true to yourself or it's or
it's being who you really are and sayfe and I think that's
the the best way to be likable because people know that that's
the honest version of you it's like everyone hates everyone
hates these people who are just people Pleasers or saying the the
guru or furu honesty honesty wins above all and uh we'll close
out thank you so much really appreciate it and uh we please guys
leave leave your comments uh on your thoughts on this episode
because I'm really curious to hear people's thoughts
because it's a bit more of a I wouldn't say controversial
I wouldn't say explosive but there's revelations
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in in the episode so please do leave your comments and hit a
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watching and I just do want to remind you one more time about
Cobra's ultimate trade up package Cobra Prime the link is in
the description click it below I'll see you on the next one
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In
this episode of Transparent Traders, Stephen Johnson sits down with
Shahzad (aka Siylenia), who shares his incredible journey from a
personal and financial low to building a trading strategy that
brought in $311K in just a few weeks and then later to occupy the
#16 spot in our all-time leaderboard with $834,000 in verified
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Siylenia opens up about how a breakup led him to channel his
energy into trading, developing an algorithmic approach that has
since transformed his life. From initial failures in futures trading
to refining his methods, Siylenia’s story is one of resilience,
discipline, and the relentless pursuit of success. Whether
you're a seasoned trader or just starting, there’s something in
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Adaptation in Trading: Learning to pivot from manual to algorithmic
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Turning Personal Adversity into Trading Success:
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today we welcome s I'm a trend base Trader who sit in
16th Place on K 4's alltime leaderboard with 834 th000 and
verified profits and this is where the algorithmic approach is so
nice people can't use like chat GPT to just make up a strategy
and it just worked where humans are really good against the AI right
now is we welcome back everybody today we welcome s who sits in 16th
Place on K 4's alltime leaderboard with eight 34,000 in
verified profits that million I know want aeny but is in sight
we're going to jump in it was trading strategies industry
transparency and there top tips for new Traders but first I just
want to
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remind people you can get Kino pro and pro plus pre May first
month simply log in click upgrade and you get access the advanced
reports and analytics for first sale thank you so much for coming on
you RIS up the stares you're one of the future Hot Prospects
and and you're working for how was it good yes thank you for
having me though it's a pleasure to be here appreciate it it it
um I wanted I mean first this wasn't on the script but I very
very quickly want to ask you how are you balancing in and all of
this money because you're up B 134,000 I think a lot of
it's come in the
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last 12 months how are you balancing work and in this
commitment to training o um yeah it's a big one um it
definitely comes with a lot of struggles um to give you just a
little bit of the insight into my day-to-day um uh so I work as a
sci reliability engineer uh I work for Splunk we just thought got
acquired by Cisco um I my shift is Sunday through Wednesday I work
uh swing shifts so like an evening schedule I I uh trade of course
first the market session opens up at you know 8:30 8:30 8:30 um and
you know trade will close at three then I have about an hour gap in
there
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and um if I have like you know any athletic activities I want
to do I like to run um I try to get that in during that time come
back 4M shift starts you know focus on the job till my shift ends at
2 am I'm also on call overnight so sometimes I might get paged
gotta get on handle that and then you know if I gota handle a page I
do it and then again Market opens at 8 and I'm right back at it
so uh I don't get much sleep um I definitely sleep a lot on my
Saturdays uh but you know my dayshift ends um or my day shift
schedule yeah for
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the week it ends on Wednesday so I do get some rest Thursdays
and Fridays but on the evenings of Thursdays and Fridays if I have I
mean that's usually when I you know organize uh most of my
appointments or plans that I have with friends and whatnot but if I
don't have any time filled then um if it's not Leisure
it's looking at charts and I am into algorithmic trading so I
do a lot of coding and you know try a lot of strategies uh out and
back test and I yeah all the ideas I'm developing in things
during the market session all of it tries I I try to fit all of it
during
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those Thursdays Fridays and Saturdays um when is like my only
day off is Saturday so yeah I'm I I definitely am added a lot
um but you know without a wife and kids I have a lot of free time
that I can fill uh but that might change soon and then you know
I'm gonna probably appreciate some of the time I've put
into here as it you know helps me and my career going career going
career going forward gotta make the money while you can no make make
the money while you can take it while it's say yeah you're
you're a journey see I've seen a few people's
Journeys like this actually where uh you
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went down 20K when he started learning then you were up over
100k and then he pretty much nearly lost it all again bringing
yourself back down at 15K which is exactly the situation where
I'm in now for me as well I did $600 and over 100,000 and I
lost about 50k I didn't lose as much as you but I lost about
50k and I just paused during the B maret and thought I don't
know I don't know if this is for me so whatever I see a story
like yours where he went from that 15K up 800k on a million I just
saying am I one step away I'm one step away from at all
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but like what what was that experience like how did you have
that resilience how did it feel to lose like pay up 100K then lose
it like Po us through US sure so the first thing I will say is uh
don't trade going through a breakup breakup breakup yeah um you
know I I'm going to quickly just segue into one thing um you
know when you speak with a lot of Traders and you and they and you
try to like organize like what's the most important thing for a
Trader you know you'll hear some Traders say psychology or some
will say Edge um those are two are the biggest ones uh and you know
people
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will like die on a hill one of the other and I mean for me I
I I think all of us could probably say it is a mix of both but
it's definitely dependent on who you are as a person I think if
you have and you've built a lot of mental result The Edge
becomes more important because you innately have a lot of resilience
against some of those things when you get down you bounce very
quickly uh but you know if or it could be if it's more easier
for you to find the edge it doesn't become as much of an
importance because you just have a knack for finding out these
patterns but
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then of course a psychology will suer more you know commence
like in proportionate to that because that's just where you
could use more assistance and like for for me the psychology
department is where I I I um definitely could use like more
assistance versus the fighting The Edge aspect and so you know that
experience like um like when you were when you were just talking
about it yeah it yeah I started from like it was like 26 or 2.6
sorry it grew a little bit and then I stopped and then I think
that's when I moved my money into tradovate uh because I
finally had something I feel like was working and I wanted to
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use the leverages of a futures broker to try to accelerate
those gains and um yeah and that's when I was you know
pioneering my new 10-minute strategy grew to yeah I think at the
peak yeah altogether it was like 124 something like that and then
yeah within like and that was over a period of two months at like a
thousand trades so I was feeling really good about myself you know
seeing the consistency and then the markets were also not in the
best state for me to trade um I'm a trend Trader and of course
when the market goes through consolidation or chop I innately I just
it's just Market fundamentals that's not going to
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be an environment for me to make money but when you mix that
with you know really big you know personal matters like me going
through a breakup and having some additional things in my life at
the time um it can really really get to you mentally and so you know
for me after that experience the one thing I took away from it was
you know I I need to to to really understand myself better you know
I mean not just from the trading but also from like having coming
out of that last relationship that I was in like there was a lot of
rediscovery for me there and like during that time I was like
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kind of in the market but not really I was really taking my
space and then right after that was when I was like all right
I'm going to transfer 150k I'm going to put into the
market the markets look like they're moving I'm going to
leverage up even more because I have confidence that this is all
going to work and I'm coming back with like the most free like
mental state I've had in a while you know bouncing back from
the breakup and and you know having all the self-discovery and
within like I think it was two to three weeks I grew that five 150k
into about 411k just you know doing my strategy trading
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es Futures and just being leveraged but being you know
completely disciplined to the strategy and then I think September
the 1st was the last trade I had made during that cycle and I was
like I don't know if the markets are going to move as much as I
would like and quite frankly I think I'm done so I think
I've made more of my money back and so I just transferred all
of it out of my account and actually took a little bit more time
away from the markets and started looking at transforming what I had
developed for my strategy which was you know algorithmic and
everything on the charts but there was no automation
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done so it just told me exactly what to do and I could sort
of fill in the blanks with my intuition where I didn't think
there was a right trade or not uh but now I was trying to go from
there and again use this you know Rebirth of myself and this new
drive that I had to uh then build the full automation to where I
wouldn't even need to do a trade you know it just does
everything automatically and that's where I'm at right now
so beautiful so what do you say that PR was one of the in that ever
happened or would you know I mean it definitely was in some ways yes
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there was a lot of lessons that I've learned and it was
it yeah it completely gave me what I needed the pain was what I
needed the suffering was what I needed and the rawness you know to
look into myself acknowledge my faults see where I was wrong both
with my relationship and the market and where I was wrong to myself
and you know use that energy to just motivate yourself to do better
for you and for those around you and that psychology will just
it'll carry you in a lot of places in life you know I swear by
that H 100% agree because um when I first got into trading it was
because of
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a breakup I was going through a breakup and I needed to
channel the energy from a negative to a positive and uh I remember
when I was at the PE I mean look tra transform me like because
I'm doing things like this making money from other aspects of
the market and I've made money from the market so in various
ways TRS transform me like to the better but I did the exact same
thing as you and uh turn the negative into the positive and and also
uh we're talking about losing jobs and redundancies and highs
and stuff like that also when I I lost a job um I was terrified full
of fear but it's
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started my own company and it's doing well now but I
would have never had the confidence to do it so it's that yeah
it's that horrible uncomfortable situation that drives you to
do what your something's dancing to do yeah and we share that
story a little bit in some ways which is interesting but you need
you need it you need adversity you need it like otherwise we're
just Bley humans completely agree I mean you see some of the best
athletes you know Olympians and whatnot all high Achievers in life
in life in life CEOs um most of them went through some form of
adversity really yeah you know you can you can let it destroy
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you or you can let it build your character and uh
there's obviously only one right choice there's obviously
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Traders get more okay we are back again just on that uh on that on
that nail bite and bomb but yeah 100% agree I think we you have to
have this and no one wants to be born through a bad time that keeps
you awake at night or like a head reason but it shapes you it shapes
you operates you right does it does it does
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so where where did it all start for you how the hell did you
get into Alor trading is it like it's just it's one of the
niches it's not the normal normally people are going in buy a
Tim Sykes how how you do an algorithmic Trad yeah so um so I will be
mentioning when it comes to mentorship two mentors so one is going
to be just like the General mentor and the second's going to be
my mentor friend um my mentor friend um I think like I think on
he's on like X and Instagram I think uh he goes by the name of
Spear of the kid he's a Goldman Trader um he's actually
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been mentioned in um uh I I believe at least one definitely
um books on trading from other very very seasoned traders who have
who have mentioned him in his and his success and approach to the
markets um and I mean he's just a guy that you know I knew
since I was a kid and who been in trade into trading and we've
always like we he's the type of friend that it's like you
know you don't talk to him for like three or four years and
then like you know like he'll hit me up be like hey man you
want to play this video game and I'm be like yeah let's
let's let's play it
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you know like nothing ever changed right and um and so I
originally came into the markets like a lot of people around 2020 um
I was still working my job at a previous company uh doing well there
but you know and I stayed away from the markets mainly because you
know my father was like the the fear-monger of the markets like
it's gambling you got to stay away I mean now the guy's
got millions in it so I mean how how perspectives change but um you
know at the time though he was very fearful of it I I understand why
but um yeah uh I just see you know I look at the markets I
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keep hearing about it and I just see this huge you know
decline in it and so I'm like well this is probably a good time
to invest because I mean one if the world's over
currency's got to be useless anyways and two bu might as well
buy this big dip right so um that's when I had uh talked to uh
my mentor friend and he was like oh yeah he was like you can open up
a bro like an account with a brokerage and then he got me into some
Vanguard funds getting me on a very safe approach um mix of of index
funds and Technology funds um and uh then I made like I
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or I put like 10K on American I didn't know what I was
doing but I was like this stock looks really low and in a year it
should go up right and then news came out in June like a month a
month and a half after I put that money in that uh they were
increasing their Fleet uh by double and overnight American doubl in
stock price so I immediately sold the open and I'm like wow
this Market thing is easy and fun you know and uh let's just
say that that success did not continue um you know I wound up pretty
much giving all of it back and maybe a little bit more I
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mean by the end of the year I was up considerably but uh into
2021 is when I started getting into options I did get into the
GameStop frenzy made 50k in a day off of options which was like the
second day I ever traded options and I was like wow this options
thing is really easy it's not good being very successful very
early in the markets but you have no idea what you're getting
into uh it reads a lot of false expectations but I think that once
again like mixing some of those things you know mixing like you know
when I was going through my breakup and the losses I had as well
during that
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time again those aspects of adversity definitely I mean they
can either break you I could walk away and say maybe this isn't
for me maybe I should be doing something else or I can say you know
what I still love this and I'm going to just learn from these
mistakes and I'm going to do better you know and so you know I
tried getting into Futures now going into 2022 I Tred to get into
Futures and options was difficult but Futures killed me I mean the
first time I got into it I made some money and then first week I was
down like 11k and I was like goodness me and I tried it again
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and then I tried it a third time and eventually I was like no
I can't do it I can't do Futures ironically it's the
only thing I trade now um there might be a trend here which is
whatever I find the most challenging tends to be what I gravitate
towards to to overcome it you know and maybe that's maybe
that's where my drive is is the greater the challenge the
greater I have this need to overcome that um you know just the the
satisfaction and the and the and the pleasure of of of the journey
really of getting there and so you know with Futures I started to um
get into it one last time
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and I was telling myself that because I really felt that I
just had an idea that would work better on Futures instead of
options and um I approached it and I was like you know what if
I'm going to be doing this I want to pull the stops like I
wantan to like if I'm going to be using trading view I want to
learn how to code and pinescript and have everything for my strategy
mapped out to a te you know my mentor friend says this uh he says
you know if you're going to have a strategy you need to be able
to essentially write down every way that it works because if you
can't
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write it all down your strategy is incomplete and if
it's incomplete it's imperfect and if it's imperfect
when you lose that edge it's going to be difficult to find how
to get that edge back because if you don't know the intricacies
around it and you have some blank spaces you don't know if
those blank spaces are what's dragging you down or holding you
up more you just you just don't have a clue but the more you
know you understand your approach the better you're able to
deal with those frequencies and so that's where I started the
whole coding approach but then as we continued forward from the
coding approach I begin to be like and
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not just use it to help me with you know indicators and
potential entries I just went even further with that I was like you
know what I want to really get some ass aspects of confirmation
looking at historical data does what I have work I need more
confidence and the best way to get that is to use that historical
data and so I just put more time into it and then eventually I got
it just again it only needed to be connected to an API to be able to
trade itself and that's exactly you know where I eventually got
it to and it took a lot of time and effort but yeah they got there
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how do you get into that though like how do you think all
right I'm a new trade I don't know anything about the
markets and I know a bit of codon so I'm going to look at all
of this historical data and I'm going to figure out a strategy
like what's the in between part of that for for new Traders
like how how do how do you figure that out sure so the first thing
is for me at least I had to I had to have good confidence that I had
an idea that could work so I was still trade it manually I still did
everything manually I was doing uh SPX zero DTE at
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the time uh one of my standard strategies was um I
wouldn't gamble the open but I would wait for the first 10 20
minutes before I had a good confidence on Direction um again I
continue to be a trend-based Trader even though that's not how
I started I started more as like a chop and scalp Trader but I
transformed into this um had to rewind my brain a bit um and when I
would enter uh my Zer DTE um you know I'd have my stop at
around depending usually about 25% depending on the Range and
whatnot but you know once it would move a certain direction in the
like not in the money but with
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a high amount of of uh gains we're talking maybe 50% I
would usually sell against my position and start taking in premium
so that I could secure aspects of the trade so if it went against me
I'm still all right if it went for me my gains won't be as
much but there's still gains more security there and you know
and I but I was what I was the real like the reality of situation
was I wanted to get away from the debt side of options so I could
have gone into selling but I felt like with Futures and The Leverage
that you had there was just a little bit more Simplicity when it
comes
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to Theta you know even though as a seller it would work in my
favor Futures just seemed like it would be more clearcut when it
came to a systematic approach because you could eliminate the Greeks
and you could focus a lot more on just the simplicities of price
action and so um and so like I mean the way that my Approach was was
uh like if you were to open up your chart and just put in dxy plus
VX plus tnx plus TLT what happens is you bring up a chart that
consolidates you know the dollar yield index the volatility index of
the S&P the 10year bonds 20-year bonds and uh Treasury and it
gives
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you a decent idea as to where you sort of predict how the
Market's going to go and you can use your EMAs I tra on the
10-minute um I use you know 57 uh for my Crossovers and then I use
my 21 EMA uh to basically be like I go long above the 21 I go short
below the 21 but the Crossovers also must meet and so as I was
taking a more systematic approach as I was approaching my strategy
with more concrete rules and details it helped me realize this can
now be put into a system and where there are gaps and blanks that
I'm not understanding with my strategy by coding this it
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will force me to fill those gaps by coding this it'll
force me to start you know creating a fully closed strategy where
there is no room for interpretation it either is or it isn't
it's either Green Day or it's a red day but either way you
know what it's going to be and you know why because the rules
are there and from that you can then make adjustments but yeah in
order to get to the spot to be able to code it required required
required thinking about how you're going to take what you apply
to the markets every day again write your rules down make sure you
stick by your rules add to your rules
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and try to make your strategy as as complete as you can to
where the idea of needing to fill uh a a gap in where you're
looking to maybe enter or exit the market with intuition you can
even get rid of that you know because intuition serves us very well
I mean it's the collection of patterns and data we that
we've gathered over time but I mean I would rather trust data
to my gut you know I would rather trust yeah the statistics and
probability of the market would drive it so why not use it to your
advantage most people that I've spoke to in trading most of the
successful people will all trade basically
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on data they might have a very small window of intuition for
the entry or the exit within a certain parameter but most are
trading completely on Plat based data or they're trading on
intuition based on memory data within the memory like thousands and
thousands 10 years of have seen thousands of charts and they just
know the patterns but even that way it's based on data whether
it's in the mind or not um I just want to check with you I mean
really you've took a lot of you've took a lot of the
pressure off you if you if you programed the ENT and access through
an algorithm but when you were going through the difficult
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time and your and you losing money because you didn't
quite have that discipline there how did you get the discipline back
and what you do now to maintain the discipline sure so I mean I will
tell you two things I still think of myself as a novice because I
still haven't been training for that long and two um I am still
working on the discipline um I still have some losses that come in
here and there I mean because even though like you said uh a lot of
that pressure gets taken off of me uh because of the fact that
it's all algorithmic I also Place unnecessary pressure on me
because it's like now that
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I've gotten to this point I want more I want to achieve
more I want to you know I'm developing two alternative
strategies right now um like a mean reversion based strategy and a
chop based strategy as well as I'm working with another Trader
right now um shout out to him if if he sees it uh where we're
looking at um like some principles of reversion towards my pricing
uh within Market hours based on a certain subset of time and so like
that's where I'm trying to do more expand do more get more
strategies because that's just how I'm going I'm
accelerating in that direction and to rewind back and answer about
the discipline side really
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it came from me just having a greater understanding of myself
not even the market not even my strategy but me having more
understanding of myself me making sure that like I am just you know
like if I mean I've already explained my schedule when I am
deprived on sleep that's when the most mistakes happen for sure
uh when I'm deprived on sleep because I do sometimes trade the
aftermarket and my aftermarkets I mean I Shi away from it because
that is very intuition-based trading and it has served me quite well
but it's obviously also created some losses and um the biggest
problem when I do that is I can see how if I have a
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loss in the aftermarket it can impact the way that I perceive
the market session because I may have not given myself the
opportunity you know within that time frame of sleep deprivation and
being up all night to give myself the mental Reet that I need and a
lot of times when I'm in a okayish spot I just let the
algorithm do it let it do its thing which is really what I should be
doing anyways but you know again sometimes I want those extra gains
because in a lot of cases you know I see where there might be using
intuition you sort of know when the market and the price action is
doing something and
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I might say no the algorithm's going to be wrong here I
know I I can say with almost complete confidence it's going to
be wrong and now it sucks when you're wrong but uh a lot of
times it's right um when I have that sort of perceived notion
but like I said uh for me I notice for instance when I'm tired
I make a lot more mistakes so when I'm tired I try to stay away
from the markets as much as possible um and I just try to always
make sure that if I'm not in a good mental spot I just again I
have the advantage of all that work and time and energy that
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I've put into this automated system so I should just let
it do its thing you know I and patience is something that I'm
starting to come back to I used to be a very patient person I think
this journey ironically has actually eroded some of that patience
because of the pressures I've placed on myself and I'm
slowly as time has gone forward I am slowly kind of rewinding that
back and saying look look at what we've done look at what
we've achieved this far like we don't need to take
we've already taken some of those unnecessary risks or even
necessary risks in the past it's time to be a little bit more
patient you know
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I've got all these other systems that are being built
right now I mean be patient work those out and instead of me
participating in trading which I don't ever want to stop doing
I do have a smaller account that I do much smaller trades on because
I like to of course get the screen time get that market exposure you
know analyze the price action like I don't want that to ever go
away I want to be close to the charts but take a step back from the
big money you can let it go automated and you know work on these
other strategies and when we get them into a good place push them
out you
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know so yeah that makes sense yeah you definitely can't
for the the mar do anything than you want that's the biggest
biggest biggest when you pause the up way you want but like what
what motivated you to be on kall yeah so um so first I was going
through a man how would I say it probably mid probably mid probably
mid 2023 into late 2023 um I was approaching you know this I guess I
was approaching the market the way that I was uh things were going
you know fairly well H but during that journey I was like I kind of
going through a dark period where I haven't really talked to
many people about
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trading and so then I was like uh let me look at the day
trading Reddit I guess there's something there right and then I
saw how you know a lot of um the recommendations for like verified
Traders was like connect your account with kinfo and so I was like
okay this kinfo thing let me go into there and then you know I went
into it connected my account and I'm like oh I actually really
like this thing it's got like a nice UI I like the interface
it's simple that's what I want I want simple concise clean
information um little pretty nice charts that aren't you know
too much of anything just simplistic in the
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way that I like it and um and so yeah and so I literally have
just used kinfo just to like kind of the keep the tracks and keep
the logs and journal because I know that I should put more effort
into my journaling even though I because I I record keep myself I
record keep how my algorithm trades I record keep how I trade so I
can kind of cross reference you know what the algo did what did I do
where are my trades better let me try to analyze that a bit but in
terms of like some of like the greater pictures like looking at days
and all that sort of thing which I
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can do through my system I've built so many tools within
my automated solution uh it's a lot easier and cleaner of Kido
so you know that's where I leverage yeah that's where I
leverage it a lot so yeah and so obviously I've just continue
to use it and then you know after like a month cycle I just go and
sync and then just kind of review and bada bing bada boom you know
so yeah um you don't really probably deal with any furus or
Pumpers I was going to ask if the if that help I hinder the market
but do you have much because in micro cap stocks and penny stocks
which is what a
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lot of the people trade who are onkin for I I generally said
you have a favorite fur bumper does that apply to you because
you're in a different Market I think yeah I'm at the table
with a lot of people with a lot of money L that like to really play
with things in a I guess predictable yet unpredictable way right um
because yeah es is uh you're going to need you know billions to
move that thing um and yeah it's it doesn't it
doesn't necessarily apply I guess I would argue with the price
action because I don't think anybody has the money again to
move it like they would to be able to a
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small cap but I think that you know you're still going
to have more than enough people out there that are going to try to
teach you oh yeah like you can make money you know trading this one
indic if you just follow you know my three cool tricks here you know
just got to pay $49.99 99 you know and then it's like uh so I
mean out with with the teaching pers perspective of it there are oh
there's I I I've seen a lot out there they all seem like
red flags to me uh the One Mentor that I did have um the truth is I
don't even know if he was a profitable Trader
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like I really don't um but he spoke like he had
knowledge and it was knowledge that I knew he had and I could see
how the knowledge helped me with my Approach and you know some of my
Approach actually is derived from the teachings that I had from him
so I mean he could have been a profitable Trader he could have not
been but um I was referred to him by another traditor who I thought
was a was a fairly seasoned Trader and uh and trading underneath him
I can't say it served me wrong it definitely served me well I
mean one could argue I would have found success anyways with the
time and energy
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and effort that I was putting into the market and that is
probably true but it doesn't hurt when you can get that help
from elsewhere like from my mentor and of course my mentor friend
who really taught me the value of being a seller for instance when
it comes to options um so important I think so many people buy when
there's no reason to buy um you know I mean there's a
there's a joy to it there's a joy I mean I've had you
know know know 1,500 spxs before it doesn't I mean nothing
feels like it you know but how often does that happen you know
we're talking about making consistent money and smart
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money you know be the market maker sell you know um so yeah
between those two that's where most of my information came from
my my mentor friend of course I trust 100% And he knows his stuff I
mean when he talks you just know he knows his stuff um stuff will be
on me but yeah with furus and stuff like that I've been
fortunate enough to be warned and I don't believe I've had
exposure into learning from someone like that I've always also
kind of had the awareness to be like when people have tried to be
like hey you should come over here I say I really don't need it
you know I I've got
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my trust to sources if I really need them and I've
always actually approached my journey you know relatively solo so um
yeah I guess that's that has partially served me well going on
a predominantly solo route and then of course where I needed that
help going to that one person or the other person I mean what would
you say was the best piece of advice that you were given in your
trading career so far or when you you you started oh that's a
good question um so this is what I always say and this was derived
off of what a bit of what my mentor friend had told me but I'm
saying it in this
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way uh because it's just what I tell every Trader
it's not about what you make it's about what you lose you
know risk management is the name of the game and you can make all
the money you want like I turned that one account uh to 100K you had
did something you know just as amazing if not more amazing but it
doesn't matter if it all goes you know down this raining again
you know it doesn't matter at all right I mean I it's like
in this this is where the algorithmic approach is so nice is with
everything being so systematic there's I can put so much
emphasis on the numbers and data in a
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way that just isn't possible when some of the gaps are
intuitive based and you know again my my My Philosophy there which
of course is a bit of the information that I have gained which is
it's not about what you make it's about what you what you
what you lose um algorithmic trading really brings out the most the
most advantages in trying to harness that theory I makes sense
because if you're not tring an algorithmic style it's
it's almost almost almost like you can practice that way if if
cut the losses quickly cut the losses quickly let the winners run
it's it's similar thing but then just one bad day not
feeling right little bit
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tired you let one Les one loss goal without the right propage
interventions are the max risk are liquidation from a broker I can
just wipe you out and that's I mean that I suppose that brings
us on to the next question I mean do you have any risk management
practices to to protect yourself or anything that you'd
recommend so outside outside of course of you know my algorithmic uh
Risk Management Systems uh for myself what I try to do I is and this
is where it's actually been very nice outside of just doing the
algorithmic trading for the automation is automation is automation
is it has I've also taken my lessons from that so when
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I do my own trades I exercise using exercise using exercise
using atrs um I try to work off of atrs for profit targets I look at
levels of course something that my algorithm does not really do
it'll look at levels for profits but not so much for stops um
May I've been thinking about looking at that approach but for
myself and my trades I try to take that algorithmic approach so I
work off of the atrs I look at where you levels are and you know
because it's not my primary source of trading I try to always
make sure that size is consistent and I make sure to not overtrade
again I try to trade
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in my own way that is not a part of what my system generates
but it's still a profitable way to trade uh which is why I
continue to do it even if maybe I should not uh I will preface that
maybe I should not uh but it's been working and and I think
that just again I'm I I am like a lot of the other
intuition-based traders in that sense where for this style of
trading which is nor with the aftermarkets again I take some of what
I can from what I've learned from the algorithmic style so I
use atrs I will usually do like a one to two risk reward so my risk
will
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be one and my reward will be two uh I usually if we're
doing aftermarket I'll do something like depending on how I see
the price action 2x or 3x of the ATR for my um for like my my stop I
might be getting this wrong or like three to four for my profits
it's when I'm in the charts I I know what to do but um as
you can see it's not a complete system um and that's why I
also talk crap about myself when I trade like this uh because
it's not a complete system but um there's nothing wrong
with doing something like that if of course like you were asking me
like there's
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a if you have an aspect to help with risk management and for
me it was instead of looking at levels as much as I used to I now
look at is there a very strong level and if there's if
it's a a volume based level or a major psychological level like
5600 like 5600 like 5600 5500 or if there isn't what is the ATR
and what is our current standard deviations within the aftermarket
range because aftermarkets predominantly chop so um I try to trade
based off of you know these probabilities these statistics and and
matters you know to try to give myself the best Edge in those
moments and like I said it works most
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of the time and that's the form of how I normally trade
now I do trade market sessions as well but yeah um experience of
course but also deriving what I've built from the algorithmic
trading solution and bringing some of those lessons back into how I
now trade has really helped with my risk management for sure and ATR
is is that average to range is that average to range sorry I
probably should have said that out that out that out loud cool and
uh just just one question to close on I suppose we change it a
little bit because I think you probably have inspired a lot of
potention potential algorithmic traders to probably follow in
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your footsteps there'll be a lot of people that would
think B wanted to do that but I never quite had the the thought so I
mean if someone wanted to get involved in your style of trading
what's the first few things they should do the first few things
they should do is I mean first make sure you've got the time
make sure you've got the time I mean you should already have
that ready if you're approaching trading in general but make
sure you have the time uh the second thing is I mean I would I would
really say one of the best ways to start is to I mean again have a
strategy the first
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thing you got to do when it comes to trading you have to have
a strategy whether it's algorithmic it's self-driven
it's you need to have a strategy so have the framework for your
strategy configure don't rush into the coding too quickly uh
because then you might fall down the r hole of not understanding
what overfitting is or where you know you're compiling too much
based on historical data that you're not leaving room for
forward testing and then all your trades are going to fail because
youve baked so much of previous data in there's a lot of this
stuff that can be learned through raw trading and by having an
actual strategy it can help actually
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keep you from some of those problems with being too much of a
of a engineer or like a coder that's trying to force patterns
into recognition and things like that there's a reason why in
my opinion I I think this is the reason why people can't use
like chat GPT to just make up a strategy and it just work is because
even if you even if you train the model where humans are really good
against the AI right now is we can discard bad data so quickly and I
think that our ability to do that comes from our ability to predict
future data something that the AIS that we've developed
don't have that of a
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of a concept of doing which is also why when you go into
longer time frames and you have longer trading spreads not just AI
based trading but algorithmic trading also loses its Effectiveness
with greater time frames um so you know let's we we we should
first leverage our strengths there to find the starting points of
the strategy that can actually work and from there I I'm not
getting paid or sponsored by anybody but from there you know my my
thing is it's probably easier to go with a tool like trading
View and to use pinescript because it's like a very simplified
form of python that makes everything a lot easier and it's not
perfect and
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you know I'm eventually going to move away and put
everything into python probably have it in a ECS container and AWS
and and have it all run and do its own thing or maybe something
different but you know it does offload some of the responsibilities
that you would have and it does bring some simplicity it gives you a
UI it makes it pretty simple and concise that you know a newer
Trader that's trying to get into this can leverage that and use
it in a way that's very effective for them that was my journey
I mean that's literally my journey so I can completely testify
to that and say that it's what you know it
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was it gets kind of bumpy and choppy at first but you know I
wasn't even using Chad GPT and stuff for code and I see so many
there's a a Trader that I work with right now who's
getting into to it and he doesn't know much about coding but he
has chat GPT help him a lot and I'm like why didn't I
think of that when I was learning you know like so we have a lot of
tools at our disposal um definitely use them yeah no that's
fantastic uh I think we'll just close out on that very unique
interview very very interesting approach something we've never
had in any of the other podcasts so
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thank you for bringing that value truly truly appreciate
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Jim, you are on fire. >> I write a code to basically
automatically trace the big price and uh try to try to try to be a
beginner trader. You may also be the next Steven Ducks. >> I
didn't do anything special for this period of time. Like
it's just exactly executing the the same code over and over
again. over again. over again. Welcome to Undiscovered Traders,
where we focus on the charts, stats, and edge with the latest six
figure. This trader is going to be very quickly seven figures the
way he's going at the moment. Today, we're talking to Jim.
Jim 37 on uh Kinfo is his handle. Trading from New York City, the
land
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of hopes and dreams. He's up 484,000 of which 338K is in
the last 3 months. 221K is in the last uh month. Jim, you are on
fire. fire. fire. What is uh not I don't want to build you up
too much, but you are on fire right now. How how are you? >>
Good, good. I'm good. Uh yeah, thank you for the invitation. Um
yeah, I always like appreciate the Kinfo. Um like websites like
Kinfo. Um, I had a hard time finding like b b b b b b b b b b b b b
b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b
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b basically filtering b b b basically filtering b b b
basically filtering out scams and like fake gurus when I begin like
start to learn training, you know, and and I found Kinvo and like
every everybody there is just legit and like real masters and I just
like follow the trace and follow the leaderboard and try to find the
resources from them and like the the learning curve is just went
smooth from there. So I really appreciate like websites like KFO and
like other uh places uh you know for beg especially for beginners
like me. I I would like to think that you weren't a beginner,
but I I love the I love the humility,
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but uh No, but it's so true because if because if
because if Jim from New living in New York City just said, "Ah,
yeah, I'm a trader. I've made $221,000 last month and no
one had ever heard of you and it's impossible to prove without
Kin for a broker statement. But even then, broker statements can be
manipulated a bit, no one would believe you. But now we can say, ah,
this guy is of nearly half a million." Uh, it's awesome.
Um, I just want to ask first, um, was that do you want to throw out
any names of any any furus or or fake gurus that you came across to
to like make sure no
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one else gets tricked by them? >> Oh, I don't I
don't think I want to like anyone publicly, but yeah, I mean
like more than one for sure. I think that's fair. fair. fair.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then is there anyone on the leaderboard
that you've been followed that you do want to give a shout out
to that you've learned from? >> I I am I'm still in
the clubber trading group. Um and I I have been Steven Ducks group
uh team sites um like uh what what's the name? Oh, wolf Roland
Wolf. Um yeah. Yeah. Like a lot of real masters and I learned a lot
really a lot from them. And I I'll
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have to say I I'm still a beginner for sure. Um, I
started full-time trading since January 2024. Um, so I opened up my
first account for just day trading on exactly January 1st, 2024. So
now it's like a year and a half past. Um, so yeah. Um, a little
about my story. Um, I used to work in Google as an engineer. Um, so
long story short, I was basically enchanted by AI and then
disenchanted by by the whole, you know, the the the field. Um, um,
and and because I at the end of the day, it just feels like
it's nothing but a day job, you know. Um, it's not as like
glamorous as I
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thought it would be. Um, so I was like, and I got to learn um
trading like uh I think pretty occasionally from Steven Ducks. I
think that was the first one I like heard of and then starting from
there I just you know kept learning from different people and get to
know more about this field and know get to actually do it and
practice and you know um here it is. >> No, that's
that's really interesting. So you've you've gone into
all of the different rooms, which is what I which is what a a lot of
traders do, learn from everybody, and then you've kind of
created your strategy based on everybody's learnings. Is there
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is there one particular mentor that you you have as a
favorite or >> I'll say like Mike was um I I used to be
basically copycat of him. Um, so basically actually now I would say
I'm still half cloudycat cuz I basically short gappers but I
don't short just like from from the market open and then cover
at the end. Um so I did a little bit tweak and uh change of uh based
on his strategy and I uh write code to um uh to back test my
strategy to optimize strategy and also like execute strategy. So now
it's like a fully automated training trading for me. >>
Uh yeah. So I I guess that's
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part of the reason why you can see the curve just going up
and like pretty fast. Um cuz I was um cuz that's what I believe
like like if you want to persistently be profitable, you have to be
as mechanic as code, you know. >> To Yeah. Yeah. In order to
like get this consistent results all the time. >> Um yeah,
basically. >> But uh one question and we'll bring up your
profit chart. Um, are you using any artificial intelligence in your
learning or your strategy right now or is it like kind of only the
automate automation side? side? side? >> Yeah, I use it but
not in the way you're thinking. I don't use
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it to like to to have it come up with a strategy for me. Um,
I think it's possible but I don't think currently I I
don't know how to do it right now. basically um I use it to um
to have it write code for me and it's especially useful
especially when it it's from it's building from 0 to one
like 0ero to1 prototyping that's especially useful uh that I
found cuz like a lot of things um you don't know during this
0ero to1 building um and you can basically just just ask them to ask
chargebt chargebt chargebt like what is this and how to do that and
things like that and he will just
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do it in a snap like that. Um so yeah I I I would say like
without JBT I wouldn't do this whole trading so fast and profit
so much. much. much. >> Uh you knew how to write code
beforehand though I presume. Sure. And glow. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it's accelerated it.
Uh, and can I just ask for anyone who wants to go down that route,
can you just give a quick outline of the tools, the tools that
you're using? you're using? you're using? >>
Uh, you mean the the the AI tools? >> Yeah. Or software or the
software that you're using for the code, the programming and
the >>
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So, um, it's nothing but API. Um, so like the the
command API. Um, I'm I'm basically using that. So um it
it's like like from 0 to one you have to um cuz like DOS API is
like a a socket based API like you have to send command and then
receive command receive response from from the server things like
that. So you have to like start from the very bottom you build
helper functions to like you know a create socket connection and
then on top of that you build like send and receive function and
then on top of that you build uh short command like short shorting
covering buying selling and this this whole uh
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like layer by level by level um um building um um um so yeah
That's sort of um how how I build the whole thing. Um >>
so so it's like when a stock has this float and this volume and
reaches this percentage of premarket on the day is it you'll
fire an entry there short if it reaches this cover? Uh yes, uh
strategy wise uh yeah, so I have some like conditions that uh that
the one stock needs to strictly match in order for me to enter and
exit. Um so yeah for example like the the gapper has to be um has to
gap up in the pre-market for at least certain percentage and a
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market cap has to be no more than a certain a certain value
>> um and things like that and then once the market open I use
the code to tell me um when to exactly enter and then I and the same
thing for for exit and one Um I would say like one advantage I I
don't know if it's advantage but I found it pretty helpful
uh is that uh I cover during uh the after hours and during back test
it's super super like superior compared to just covering at the
end at the market close. Um and so yeah, so one thing about that is
if you manually do that, it's going to be exhausting,
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right? You have to like track last price or track big price
all the time and it's pretty slow and you need to like
emotionally be stressful in order to because you have to face like
the liquidity issue um and the the large spread all the time. Um so
I so that's the part I think my code is the most helpful. Um,
so I I write a code to basically automatically uh trace the big
price and uh try to get the optimal exit price basically. price
basically. price basically. >> But and and is that synced to
your broadcast? The it's all automatically executed. Are you
still pressing the buttons? buttons? buttons? >> Right now uh
it's
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able to automatically do the whole thing um without me
touching anything. Um, but sometimes I still I still want to
manually involve. Sometimes it's just my emotion. Sometimes
it's like I know for example like the the locate fees if I if I
do that early and it's going to be much cheaper than just
having the code to do it after market open. So I I still can't
resist sometimes. resist sometimes. resist sometimes. >> Yeah.
It's it's like a it's like a Tesla. It's like a
Tesla car. It's like >> it's 99% there. You're
99% there, but uh you've still got that 1% where you want to
have the the control of the car. You don't
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want it to be completely automated just yet in case it crack
it crashes and kills someone. kills someone. kills someone. >>
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why they keep calling it like
assistant driving, right? It's not auto driving. >> But
it's the same for your strategy. It's slightly assisted
because you don't want to you don't want to crash or
anything and lose a lot of money. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You
know, one thing about this is like I I was back in Asia um like
three months ago. So I have to make the whole program automated
because I have to sleep within the time zone. Um so that kind of
pushed me to to
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automate the whole thing. Before that it was actually
partially automated. >> Wow. H do you want to bring up your
profit chart? We'll just have a look. It's it's
incredible that you've um that you've made this amount of
money in this short amount of time. I I don't think I know
anyone who's made this much money except Stephen Ducks um
who's done all who's done almost half a million in 18
months. You're on track to have some amazing results. Do you
want to talk us through a little bit if uh you uh you uh you Yeah,
sure. Sure. I I think like the um um if if I have to say like the
the most
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um surprising part is um ever since uh June the 1st or maybe
to be more exact like June 8th and ever since then it just boost um
and I I I didn't do anything special for this period of time
like nothing special for me it's just exactly executing the the
same code over and over again during the past months nothing fancy
See and actually you know right before June 9th like this day
>> or 8th like there is a huge draw draw down there. Um and
the thing is um it's okay. It's regular. I double check
it. I triple check it with back test results with everything else.
It's fine. Even though like what happened
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here actually happened is I took two full stop losses.
>> Yeah. which rarely happened e both in back test and the
live testing for this year but still it's just like a
coincidence you know it's just two full stop losses happen the
same same day nothing weird happened so I like stick to the strategy
and kept going that just kept going and you know then the market
just boosted um and and again like nothing fancy here like nothing
special that I did here it's just like the market fit my
strategy pretty pretty good. good. good. >> Yeah. No, I I
don't know. I don't know what it is, but um it's the
market the market
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in June was very favorable for all traders because I see a
lot of traders having uh six six figure months. I I see a lot of top
traders having big months. months. months. >> Yeah. >>
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um so it's it seems that the
market's favorable in in terms of uh volatility. And is it is
this specifically just shortening the the the stocks that gap on day
one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Incredible. And uh
do you have a do you have a couple of examples of of one or two
charts or or anything like that we can we can take a quick look at?
>> You know what I I
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prefer to show my like uh failure cases. I think >>
Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that
would make people learn more and I also learn more from from this
from other people. So yeah. Uh it looks scary to be honest for sure.
Um, but this is just it is what it is. Like in my strategy, I kept a
very big stop-loss threshold. Um, it's actually like from from
the the profit chart, you can tell it's like close to 100%.
>> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> is you which
is true. >> Um, and this is also back tested. It's not
like something I just randomly set. By setting this to
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negative 100% it achieves the the the optimal cali criterion.
I I use this cali criterion like uh ubiquitously because I found it
really reliable. So basically Kelly criterion is a like a a value
between zero and a one. Uh it's actually the maximum uh
percentage of your account you can bet on but I use it as like a
score of my strategy. So the larger the better, right? And by
setting this 100% actually Kelly criterion achieves optimal for some
reason, you know, I guess that's the nature of shorting, right?
You have to allow a large range of volatility over there. Um so
yeah, I I stick to this large stop-loss. Um even though it's
scary,
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even though when it happens, it's like pretty hurting,
but yeah. yeah. yeah. >> Yeah. Uh, and >> I think I can
understand cuz just for people who don't know, um, I used to
show GABAS all the time as well. So I think June's had a lot of
gapas. The market's been pretty hot. There's been a lot of
gapas. These companies are 99% total trash. So if you short them at
a certain gap up, it's not likely that they're going to go
another 100% above where you've initially shorted them. Some
will on rare black swan events, but the vast majority won't.
But what you're talking through here is two occasions where the
dead go 100% above
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the entry. >> Yeah. Yeah. So the thing is like um the
reason um why it works is because a for a lot of stocks like like
this they go up but right below 100% and then they go right down.
Right. So that's what I found in the back test and that's
what I found like this large stop loss is actually better than the
lower stop-loss a smaller stop-loss because like if you sell it
lower it goes up and it it triggers stop loss and then it goes right
down and then you're like oh man it's I botch it again you
know things like that. Actually, it happened to me back in June back
in sorry
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January of this year uh when I was still using a very small a
very low stop-loss and I was stopped for four times in a row and
right I realized that there was some problem in my strategy and then
I changed it to this current one and then since February it just
went up. >> Yeah. Because I I I've I've I've
seen several different traders trade a similar theory with gappers
and many of them will do a 40% >> 40% stop loss just because
like it still can be profitable another right criteria but like you
don't take those you don't take those um big 100% losses
because the problem is when something's up 80 90
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100% you start thinking I don't want to cut this loss
because surely it's hit 100% it's not going to go much
further but If you've literally got to take the loss other
system doesn't work. >> Yes. Yes. I I I like strictly
follow my strategy everywhere. The the point is that you have to be
strict. Um and and actually from there from this stop loss, you can
actually determine your size, right? You have to get a you have to
use a small size all the time. Um which I do. do. do. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I guess that's another thing
because I can tell because if you've had a if you if you
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lost 100 if you lost 100% then obviously you're taking
$30,000 roughly or $27,000 or $27,000 or $27,000 >> in 27
28,000 on each short and then you can make 10% you'll make 2K
3K but on on the if you ever lose you'll lose 28k but
you'll win much more than you'll lose and that's
that's basically >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's right. That that's the thing
that's that's just part of this um part of the uh
evaluation of a strategy right which is riskreward ratio which is
what you mentioned but that's just just one part the other part
is the winning rate and the K criterion is calculated based on both
right
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both winning rate and uh risk risk reward ratio and they
combine these two and give you one number and that number tells you
how good your strategy is. So actually my back test tells me during
the past 10 years uh except one year my strategy achieves a win rate
larger than 75%. which is ridiculous, I know, but like first of all,
it's like it there's no slippage and and fees. But still,
my point is uh if you combine this win rate with the low riskreward
ratio that that you just mentioned, you still achieve a very good
Kelly criteria number. That's why it gave me high confidence of
keep going on on this. >> What What
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was the account that you were starting out with when you
first started uh doing this? So, uh, on January 1st of this year, I,
uh, I clear out all cashes and only kept 100K. >> 100K.
>> 100K. >> 100K. >> Yes. For this account. Yeah.
>> And then, and then you've obviously grown that from
100 to half a million or 600,000. Is it? >> No, it's
it's 500k right now, but not six. Yeah. But yeah. yeah. yeah.
>> Is there any any other trades you want to I think
we're okay, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because
like I I I saw the other interviews of you like um a lot of people
like
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analyze the the the charts and the candles, but I don't
really do that cuz like everything is done by by code. So um um
these are the two most recent failure cases and they just went
ridiculously high and sloppy out. So that's I just want to show
like my stop loss and um my point the point of my strategy. very
interesting strategy. H it's one I'm familiar with.
It's a it's kind of it's kind of a famous it's I
think it's the first red day and shorting gapas in the various
ways is are the two most popular strategies that I know but very
very few can execute them probably. You've executed them in a
way
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that is that that's been possible over 10 years. Um the
main question that I've got for you is you need a high win
rate. you have to be to some level selective on stocks. Does that
mean um certain countries you're not going to short the tickers
or does it mean uh certain sectors in the industry you're not
going to short you know uh yeah that's the funny part I used to
think like what you said I used to think like I cannot short stocks
with low float or with a price between you know8 to $2 like some
some stock around I I I learned all these criterias from from other
people, right? From from all
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the resources I got. It turns out from my back test, it turns
out these are not as useful as I thought. So if I them if I drop
them actually it was better. So there was a term called overfitting
in machine learning which means that you your back test is pretty
good like your evaluation whatever it is your evaluation on your
selected data set is super good but when you actually use it
it's terrible and that's because your model is too complex
that it only fits your data set it only fits your evaluation it
doesn't fit the real distribution of the the real data right so
actually I believe this is what happened back in
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January where I have a very low stop-loss and I have other
criterions that filters out those like so-called unqualified stocks
and then I remove them and actually now it was better. So yeah,
>> does that mean that you shorten the 30 cent stocks and
stuff like that as well? 20 cents 30 cents that >> Yes, I do.
I do. I do. Yeah, actually I do. I I I actually my lower bound is
actually I think it's 0.1. Yeah. Just like one dime. >>
One do that. >> One dime. One dime. >> Uh one. >>
So like is that 10 cents? >> 10 cents. Yeah. Yeah. >>
Nice. And and obviously you're very systematic, very very
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datadriven. datadriven. datadriven. Um, for a for a new for a
new trader that wants to get into this, do you have any advice on
getting started? >> Um, sure. Um, so I thought about this. Um,
Um, Um, I think like yeah, from what I learned from other groups and
from all the um the occasions, occasions, occasions, I feel like a
lot of people, especially beginners, they trade with ideas.
They're not trading with strategies or not not at least not a
strategy that I understand. My understanding is strategies you need
to find patterns that repeat. But a lot beginners focus on patterns
but not the the second part which is repeating. Repeating is
actually more important.
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So how do you know if it's repeating? You have to back
test. That's why I believe back test is the core of everything.
Especially if you are a beginner like if you are already a master
who trade for like five 10 years that's fine because you
already have those experiences those can be treated as like a
they're more than back test results right there experience is
the mo the most valuable thing but if you are a beginner like me
I'm still like 1.5 year experience I have to do back test I
don't know any other better way I have to do that because that
will give you a result over five, 10, even more years
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of trading results and from those results you become a master
basically right you become if you become the strategy you execute
the strategy strictly then you become the strategy and because that
strategy has run for 10 years during the back test now you become a
guru with 10 years of experience so that's how I see it if if
you do fit the strategy within 10 years you can't overfit a
strategy based on 10 years. Can you because it's based on 10
years or can you still >> Yes, it's it still could. Um
overfitting is a tricky thing. So I don't think there's a
like a 100% uh perfect solution to overfitting. But if you can
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back test for at least 10 years, then I think that will be
enough cuz like it will um so it will cover at least one bare market
and where one bull market, right? One basically period of like the
the the change of of markets. So and also you can learn a lot of
things from 10 years, right? like probably the present has changed,
probably the the the the the global economy has changed, political
situation has changed. If your strategy still works, then that means
your strategy is robust to those things and it's less likely to
overfit. And it's it's it's funny that people have
these ideas of trading being uh ideas. And it's I guess
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it's because hed like hedge funds who bet billions and
billions of dollars might make a long-term bet on something and
they'll have an idea based on hundreds of analysts and hundreds
of researchers all coming up with an idea of all of these macro
trends. But for us micro cap 10 cent dime traders the only thing
that you have is repeatable patterns in the last 10 years of what
they've done. So if we don't have the hundreds of
researchers and analy analysts and and these companies aren't
big enough to analyze, right? So I guess you're using the only
thing you have to the maximum advantage. >> Yeah, I guess so.
You know what the funny thing
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is? I talked to some guys from Wall Street and they also do
back test all the time. Like their manager said if you come up with
an idea, you go back test it and show the result to me. You have to
do that. like even though it's not about patterns and not about
technical analysis, even though they are like trading fundamentals
or news or whatever, they still need to back test it. And the most
expensive thing on Wall Street is data, which is the like the oil
for back testing. So, you know, it basically shows how valuable it
is. I've I've heard this as well. I've heard that a
good hedge fun I've heard a
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hedge fund will not take a trader on unless he's got uh
three three or more years experience. three or four three or more
years proven track record certain certain like hedge funds or if he
doesn't have three or four three or more years the his strategy
has to be back tested and proven to work over x period of years as
well. >> Yeah, that's true. Yeah. >> So, if
there's one message from this whole thing, it's uh if
you're not back testing and you're losing, you probably
probably should be back testing. >> Yeah. because because
that's that's the one thing that bothers me from the
beginning like all the times I I see so many
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strategies you know fancy um signals indicators you know MACD
RSI whatever and oh man like I was troubled and confused all the
time like how can I do this right like how can I combine all these
and which is better and which is worse and then I I I realized okay
just go evaluate like evaluation is the most important part like
right? Um otherwise like you just keep coming up with new things and
you don't know if it's profitable or not and so it's
it's less meaningful. meaningful. meaningful. >> I 100%
agree with you. My back testing when I as when I was creating a
couple years ago, all my back testing was done manually
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on Excel. Uh I tracked about 500 records 500 records 500
records >> as long as you back test for enough years.
That's fine. I think >> yeah that's that's the
problem. I back tested across 2 years, 500 or so records and um but
then the criteria changed and I hadn't back tested enough years
and I started to lose. So that's the >> oh it worked and
then it and then it didn't work. But um but from what
you're doing so what can I just one final question for anyone
who's wondering? So where are you getting your source of data
from to do the back testing? >> I I use polygon.io. >>
Okay, there you go.
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So it's through via polygon. And do you have any I think
the interview's been fantastic. I think you you you might be a
beginner trader. You might also be the next Steven Ducks cuz I'
I've not seen anyone with a profit record like yours. Um do you
have any final advice before we we close out? >> Um sure.
Yeah. Um I guess like for beginners just keep fighting on keep going
on. Uh like if you have a big loss for some days like don't
give up. Um it's it's super normal. Like if I I like when
I recall my first six months, it was like horrible and luckily I
broke even for the first six
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months. It's incredible. incredible. incredible.
>> It's incredible that you didn't have a draw down.
Um really really appreciate you coming on. I'm really excited
to see where you end up on the leaderboard. Uh are you on Twitter or
X or is there anywhere where people can follow you? >> I I do
I do have X. Um, >> well, yeah, I can >> we'll put
it in the description right now. It's going to be in the
description uh of the of the episode. >> Sure. >> Sure.
>> Sure. >> Thank Thank you for doing this all
transparently. transparently. transparently. >> Yeah. Thanks
for your time. >> Again, like thank you for like doing the
Kingville stuff,
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you know, like it's it's super helpful for me and I
believe it's super helpful for beginners, other beginners as
well. Yeah, I really appreciate it. Cheers. [Music]
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welcome to undiscovered Traders and I just kept short
scalping short scalping on interactive brokers a new podcast that
focuses on the CH stats and Edge of the latest sixf figure verified
traders who have not been interviewed before if not not not really
it froze I didn't know what to do and luckily my broker started
taking me out and today we're talking to oand from Canada
Ontario who was up almost half a million dollars but after some
recent losses he's setting up little under 200k I'd
imagine huge learnings and lessons that we're going to go
through today but first also how are you buddy good sir how you
doing not bad at all not bad at
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all and it's coming to someone here in Rio de Janeiro
and you say you're in Canada but you wanted to uh travel a
little bit and hit hit that Mexico hit hit Rio something like that
live the trader lifestyle live that laptop lify absolutely man
I'm try to again where you are it's going to get cold
where I am so not so where I want to be ah dude it's I think
we've got the opposite the opposite podcast but uh dude I mean
when did you get into trading what's the story how did you get
into it and and how's things going right now before we jump
into your k for startat and then we'll
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we'll go into some some some charts okay so my whole
life I've been more of an entrepreneur uh prior to covid I had
an electronics business you know I was buying and selling aonics
primarily iPhones and since Co hit everything got shut down and I
was left to pretty much play video games with my friends so
that's what we did to passive time and one day I was playing I
believe it was Call of Duty uh war zone or something and uh in the
headset my buddies are talking about how this was right when the
meme stock thing was going on around January 2001 and my buddy was
saying how he bought a meme stock
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and he's up a lot of money and then there's a bunch
of them talking about how they're up a lot of money and I was
just like what are you talking about money about money about money
because in my head I've always thought of the stock market as
like scam or prior to this like as something that wasn't
achievable by a normal person I don't know I guess it make it
seem so complicated by using words like Alpha data all this stuff
right and uh like you know what I mean so what I thought was okay so
what's really going on here um I started talking to them I
started getting into it I didn't
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even care about the video games anymore I wanted to know what
this was all about and after talking to them a bit I bought this
stock called n akd yeah um I went to the bank and I opened the
brokerage account it was like not even like a platform it's
like you go on the the browser you press okay and it's like it
refreshes it's not even I literally just sparket ordered n akd
uh I think it was I I spent a lot of money because I'm I'm
a big hitter I was I wanted to make money like them and I I think I
bought like 14,000 shares of it like an idiot I bought
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way too many and literally at the market open I bought it at
the opening print and within an hour I think I was down like six
grand or something like something like something like that yeah so I
got rid of it and then I like okay so now I was me I could lose that
much money but I thought to myself okay like what's what's
actually happening and I started digging right and I ran into some
streams by uh there I know Sean dear has a stream I I started
watching that one he had a free trial for I believe for seven days
or something so okay he and he taught stuff he had like
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a website with videos so I started earning because I was at
home anyways right so I started watching the market from 7: a.m. to
5:00 p.m. and I would sit there and I'd watch his stream
you'd have all the scanners up and everything you didn't
have to buy anything he had everything up and I would watch him
trade and eventually what ended up happening was I got confident
enough to because he would he would promote people to paper trades I
got confident enough to go to get interactive brokers like a real
broker I opened up interactive brokers I put maybe a couple thousand
in there because we don't have PC in Canada so um and
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what I ended up happening was I started just paper trading
with the demo Cal and I started I was going long at first but I saw
that he shorted a lot so I wanted to understand what shorting was um
but on then trct the Brokers they don't have the same short
inventory as they would in the Brokers that we have now the premier
Brokers right so I didn't have much options with shorting but
whenever there were shares available on something I would just short
it and take like 10 cents on like 500 shares or like like a 100
shares and I would just just to kind of see where things were going
first I would
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do it in the simulator once I realized okay I can kind of
take extensions because a lot of things were po dropping in the co
Market I'm not sure if you remember things would Halt and just
dump right away um I noticed that so I just I would stay away from
the main plays the gappers and like because before gappers were
wouldn't just crap the gappers would keep going I remember
remember remember auvi it opened up at $3 uh gapped up from $150 to
$3 in February 2021 and it gapped up to it hit like 34 at the highs
so if you were shorting if you were gaping crop shorting you would
have been blown
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up so longing was definitely the way to go there but uh so
essentially once I figured out that I could short the side stocks
that's what I would do with small size and then once I got
confidence and my account started to grow I could put on more siid
and eventually what ended up happening was I'm not sure if you
remember the NFD cze um but there was an n T stock called hofb and
uh unusual unusual whales I think a second Twitter account they
tweeted something about uh some nft thinging in regards to one main
Runner and I saw the s stock hwe it started getting a few bids and I
just bought 1K
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shares right then because I had enough money and in the after
hours that they gapped up I think two $2 from $3 like 480 or
something and that that's like what gave me like the buying
power to start start scalping bigger amounts so then I I just used
that and I'm like okay I'm just going to short scalp now
because there's no point of longing like I've lost so many
times longing this just worked out because I got the news before how
what are the likelihood what's the chance of me getting this
again and I just kept short scalping short scalping on interactive
brokers and then what started to hold me back was I didn't
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have inventory so I had to get a premier broker so once I got
the premium broker in October 2021 um there's pretty much go
time like dwac happened two weeks after and uh Phu was like the
sympathy to dwac the next day I think P went from like $1 to $24
this thing has like was a thick float it had like 200 million float
so the way I would scale into it is I would spread my ads I would go
like 100 shares at $12 100 shares at 1350 100 shares at, 1550 now
would spread them out and it's not like the smart thing to do
but obviously I was new to trading right and
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I would honestly just add at ad but I would make sure my ads
are spreed apart and eventually I would have a stop but that stop
would be so far gone that I would lose a substantial amount R but
luckily enough uh Phu obviously Hal everyone knows this but it went
up to 24 halted down at 18 and then an hour later it opened up at 8
so at that time my average was like H what was it maybe 1516 I
don't remember and I think I was in like 4K shares so right off
the top I was up 20 grand and that just gave me more my power to
continue doing what I was
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doing and then as you can see from my kimpo I got hot and
when you get in the zone like trading is very mental once you get
into the zone you just start to go right you just start to go and I
just kept scalping kept scalping and then I think my first big loss
was which ticker was it was I can bring it up right so I can see you
can see the screen right pardon can you see the screen okay on not
yeah I can see y I can see that y okay awesome so we can see your
profits 177k 90% win rate or just under 90% so do you want to do
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you want to talk us through kind of because you can kind of
you you've already started let me let me know where you were
because you got right up to 450 million n and then what what
happened yeah that was top and uh that was essentially just
negligence on my part um I was I was hung over that day but
that's not an excuse um that's definitely not an excuse
but I know it's worse than the movie yeah I was man the thing
is like it just actually showed me because at at the worst at the
end of after hours I was maybe down like like 40K and if I just got
out before after
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hours I would have been I was still up 40K on that month I
would have just taken one month away and I would have had the
confidence to climb back from it but I just let it I let it run and
as soon as the after hours kicked in it the that that uh stock
rocketed like 105 bucks so I think I had like 10K shares in so right
away it just turned into like a six figure and I was just kept hold
I froze I didn't know what to do and luckily my broker started
taking me out and then once I saw my broker take me out like a small
amount I just hit
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I I started slabbing my button just to get all of it out
because I'm like mad why did I just take all of it out Qui it
it is there's no excuse for it right but uh it's just
negligent and it's just bad habits uh that's what got me
to that point honestly was the bad habits right um there's a
few times where I swung a few positions I'll be honest and I
got out in Pre Market the next day well can I just ask as I've
done everything that you were doing and uh I remember looking at a
cobra bank account as well and as as with Cobra for period And I was
like
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as as up 100K on me on overall and I had a $40,000 account
and I remember being like having $300 of BU power like $300 of real
Equity left the account us down for like for like for like $39,500 I
think why isn't Cobra taking us out why isn't this Broger
taking us out I've got no equity that was ear in maret they
didn't take us out and I recovered 18 Grand of it but I still
lost like 26 Grand in a day um dude it's hard to recover but so
for for this we like was this kind of is this kind of like a little
and the Schultz and then with the with the
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with the way like the size was more or less the same uh by
the after the waac and stuff I did I I did size my count up like my
account was getting bigger but I wasn't sizing up if you look
at my trade I wasn't adding more SI because what I liked about
what I liked about the balance was that they were paying me out
interest every month so the more money you have in your account they
pay you out interest so I'm like okay at the height of it all I
think I was getting like 3K just for doing nothing wow um in
interest so I was like wow this is why people
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keep big accounts right well that's to that's to
well that's why to they want to attract you keep more money in
your trading account so they incentivize you by giving you interest
yeah exactly so I was I was loving the free money and uh you know
you get treated like a better client they would give you free shares
to shares to shares to short um stuff like that so essentially it it
got to my head and I guess I mean it's it was meant to happen
it happened uh yeah so top sorry go on so on that that was like a
200k loss I remember feeling kind of sick but it's money that
you already
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it's kind of money that you already won but it's
money that you could have withdrew but like so what exactly was the
mistake that you made uh on this on this loss you've already
mentioned one of it was holding it over night but do you want to
quickly just walk us through it no I I didn't I didn't
hold toop overnight um toop was an inad day but the biggest one was
when I when I uh shorted into the parabolic and I scaled when it
came back down I was actually up a few thousand at one point I
should have just taken that off right away and realized okay this
this stock is a red
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flag like today uh xh when I was trading xag after my third
entry I think I had an entry at $2 an entry at 230 and an entry at
250 uh my average was around 230 and I saw the the way the volume
was coming in and the way the volume was coming out of the other
stocks which were Duo and I believe there's another another
Chinese stock so that's what made me realize okay this is like
I need to get out and I got out at a $50 loss as soon as that first
flush came I got out pretty much of my average I marketed out
whatever I had to go um but at
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the height of that I was down like $300 so I I got out in a
in a very strategic manner whereas in top I just but the when you
get out in a panic you're gonna always get the worst fill
you're G to get the worst um the worst uh spread and obviously
if you're getting out an after hours and you have 10K shares on
the thin name you know you your first fill could be at $25 and your
second fill could be at 35 that's pretty that's the way it
went down and uh and I had too much size and the way I was doing it
the whole time I didn't do it that
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way on T but essentially what I realized now is holding a
short overnight you're putting yourself the second you go into
the after hours or the few market and you're holding a thin
name that thing can do anything man it could go like TN I don't
know you still uh not not not not in the last month or so in that
but but I understand D like dude I'm the king of swinging
I'm the king of being stuck with too much size and short
positions going into after hours I'm the king of it I'm
very knowledgeable so getting out before after hours is good ideally
you don't want to wake up and get a TN
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where the thing went from five bucks to I think $102 and I
don't think I think the broker didn't take a lot of people
out a lot people got lucky but someone got taken out if that thing
hit on 102 someone got taken out so someone probably lost a lot of
money so that's one thing I've implemented in my future is
okay do I have a plan to swing am I going to swing stocks that are
trading in um out of all the China stocks today I traded Duo because
it had a 7even million float um and I know it has a bigger float so
even if I get stuck in this thing after hours
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or something it's not going to go as crazy as something
that's thin right like uh qh or no not Q which one One X AG was
trading very thin I think it's like a 1 million float U zcmd is
a 1 million float for sure so these are just the China names that
were going going around recently so but either way I just want to
trade intraday and if let get to a point where I got to swing I got
to just take the loss because that's not something that
I'm willing to do at this time maybe in the future I'll
Implement something like that but uh that's definitely
something I'm not trying to no
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but like a lot of people think like it's not going to
happen to them or like ah it's not going to happen to me or
I'll get away with it this time like you absolutely cannot like
average in too much size to a short especially on a thin name
especially on a low float and sometimes you don't even know the
float or sometimes the company's bought up the float so it
looks like it's a big float but it's actually trading
really thin or maybe it can maybe you don't realize it's
trading thin then after hours it goes really thin thin thin like
just no matter what like you can unless it's like Tesla a real
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company like you cannot like you cannot uh and you cannot
hold these whole big size stock in a short overnight it's just
like and people think it's not going to happen to them but if
the look at it's it's I really appreciate you coming on
really appreciate you sh the transparency like we need more people
like this because you sh to help people like what can happen if you
hold too much size after hour yeah essentially yeah this the spread
this spillage TP went to 24 so if I didn't get out I got out
right at the after hours belt like literally like like 30 seconds
after if I did not get out of that
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time uh and I just kept holding this thing hit 240 so it
would have cleared out all my money and I wouldn't have been
able to trade again so took your account yeah I would have taken my
entire account yeah but uh look you've got to think at the end
of the day like you've still done what most Traders will never
do like it it's it's like tough to hit nearly half a
million and then be back down to like 174 175 but you just got to
think like you know enough to make the money really one silly
mistake like one kind of silly mistake yeah but uh it's going
to be a it's going
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to be a cup in handle though it it's been yeah exactly
it's been three years I mean I put into perspective I've
been trading for three years now as of September my Premier broker
was my first premier broker I open three years ago it was September
2021 so I just tell myself you know what man this is not one of
those things that uh you know it's not a get-rich quick it is a
getrich quick scheme in a way because you can things can happen fast
but it's one of those things that you need to put in the work a
lot of work like lately I've been putting in more work than I
ever did
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to be honest at this past month especially so and it's
catching on definitely catching on but look if if you've
already cleared just under a couple 100K and you were up 500k and
You' put in Crazy amounts of work and you already have the
talent to show that you can make the money then um I'm pretty
confident that you'll you'll bounce back and it's
fantastic to log this episode now while you're in this position
because you can always look back on the episode and be like look
this is where I was this is what I thought and then in a year time
from now and say this is where I am now how will be
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you now by the way I'm 30 so I'm about to turn 31
you've got you've got lots of time to turn it around and I
mean what what would you say were was the top couple of lessons to
summarize from from the recent losses just to to help p a new
Traders and then look at some charts okay perfect so essentially
what I never never did which I should have done it it's
extremely embarrassing because I've paid for a lot of
mentorship courses right like I've done mic I've done
investor on your ground I've done uh you know the deck War
thing I've looked at a few other things too but there's
one thing that
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did preach that I thought I was too good for and it's to
wire out and it's to use stop losses I didn't do that I
did wire out quite a bit but since I was pretty well capitalized in
my life I wanted to use the money towards my trading but I
wasn't experienced enough to trade that much money right at the
time so I still don't think I'm experienced enough to
trade that much money so that being said I should have wired out and
I should have had a Max broker loss and I know everyone says this
but I have one now I have on both my accounts I have one um yeah you
need
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a Max ROK loss but it should never get to the point where you
where it kicks in you should be soing yourself out before it comes
that's the thing so what people don't realize is if you
like if if your broker is taking you out if your max broker loss is
coming in then you're not in control of of your trade because
you should be cutting and then getting back in cutting C getting
back in type thing right um so yeah all the mentors they reached
that and and I had all the resources so it's really is my fault
so I would encourage someone to do that um when paper trade or trade
with really
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small shares starting out paper training is good because it
gives you screen time but it doesn't get you experience with
getting fails because getting fails is a big part of trading um you
can't just be trading anything and everything especially with
if you're going to use size there's some things where I
only trade like a couple hundred shares well nowadays I only use a
couple hundred shares but even back then I wouldn't trade a
thin day with thousands of shares sometimes you know because some
scalps are okay you get 50 bucks there 100 bucks there that that
stuff adds adds adds up no no 100% agree and I think I agree with
you on that
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Max L use it as well and it's just reinforcing a bad
habit like if you let yourself get took out by the broker you just
reinforcing that you don't have control of the trade like I I
completely agree that you should have it but exactly the way
you've said it it should be like in case you fall asleep in
case you pass out in case in case all of a sudden you run out of the
shop and you forgot that you're in a position like absolute
last Cas scenario you should be getting took out I agree with that
that that um so we'll take a quick look so we'll take a
quick look at um
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some of your charts that's uh and let's say exactly
the kind of trading style that's made you poent like that got
you up half a million and then and then that's up 200k right
now so uh let me just uh bring up the chots yeah I would even
encourage people to invest in software like trade ideas it helps a
ton because I remember at first I was cheap and I didn't want
to do it and then once I did it my game like Amplified because
you're kind of watching The Market through this through like a
lens right um it's just the cost of business of business of
business and uh get a evening job there's
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another thing I'd recommend um you know focus on the
market so if you got to work outside work the evening shift and so
you can be there for the market because you got to put in screen
time without screen time it doesn't really work yeah it's
totally totally totally uh totally agree okay so we're just
going to have a quick look at your charts right now this is a
particularly interesting one I'm not sure what name this is but
are you are you going short are you going you scalping long yes
I'm I'm scalping short so this was back in 2021 this is
pretty much how I started out I would just uh have limit
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orders in on momentum uh I would Set uh limit orders so
let's let said I have one at 11 one at 1120 one at 1140 and
they would all be relatively small like let's say 200 chairs on
relative to my count size at the time at least and once I would fill
on a couple of them let's say I filled on a parabolic into 1120
1140 so my average would be 1130 I would just take the flush on 1120
10 cents and then I would expect the stock to go higher so then I
would start out again at 1160 1180 1199 because I IID always do 99
for the full dollar mark because I noticed
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it would sometimes it wouldn't hit the full dollar mark
it would always stop at 99 um that's just something I did uh it
worked a lot it worked a lot more than you can see again this is
just one chart I forgot which ticker this was but this is I think
the end of the day day into like the this is like the last two hours
cuz the last two hours is when stocks were really get going because
all the people that are stuck short from the beginning of the day
would be stopping out and that's when I would start doing these
scalps and I just get in and but the only bad part of
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it is I would never get the other side of the move so it was
it was really Reckless now that I think about it um but it's
just what worked for me back in the day right it was a different
Market all but you're like fighting the trend yeah right you
scaling fighting the trend but you still found a way to like make
money based on kind of the T bre in the level two exactly and
you're kind of like reading exactly you're reading the
price action and the price action back then was way different than
what it is now way way different um it's so hard to explain but
things would just give you
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more parabolics and then they would give you that flush to
get out and I noticed even when I would paper trade and when I would
watch like tickers I realized if you get a couple pills in a certain
range you almost always get that flush it might not be like a
massive fate but you might get a 10-cent flush on your average so
you can just get out right there and you can just plan higher if it
goes go higher I'll just move on to the next stock and do that
okay if that doesn't go higher next stock next thing you know
you've done that a few times and you have a couple hundred Bank
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on your day right so that was the logic I had coming in and
man that market was something different like we're never going
to get a market like that again at least I don't think so so
that's why I think uh I capitalized well at that time obviously
it'd be nice to be able to trade the backside and bait it but I
mean for someone just coming into trading um I'm proud of it
obviously now when I work on things like G up short which is which
has been a pattern that's been around forever so that's
something I'm I'm looking into extremely hard I'm
I'm doing data test on I'm I'm taking every Gap short
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candidate's chart and putting it in my computer um
that's something I'm looking into now but uh yeah this
stock is in the gap of short this is the this is Duo from today so
this is the way that I I scalp um it looks a bit Reckless on that
parabolic on the 11 A.M Mark but each each um each arrow is 10 cents
apart on that 11 am push so what's at six arrows and each arrow
is about 375 shares so I think at the end of it all my average was
325 at 2,175 shares which is it all that much not bad yeah not bad
it's not bad it not so yeah so I
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was like okay I was gonna I was willing to add up until F 399
and then at that point I I would give it another look because at
that point I would have what I would have 3,750 shares and my
account is is is it's it's not massive but it's up
there you know so that's 3,000 shares or even 4,000 shares for
an account for my size isn't isn't a big deal I could take
I could take a dollar loss on that and be okay that would be $4,000
loss but um just the statistics of it happening are high they always
give you the FL before they run it back up again and if that
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was to come like when it came back down and filled me right
there at 325 I was going to start scaling back in higher if it went
back higher at like 389 399 4.1 so on and so forth um is that you
all is that you out all on like on that green ticket on 11: clock it
it's all of it yeah so you out all more or less each time you
you end all you end on the arrows then out everything each time on
the on the green text on the green exactly yeah and it's like
it's just something I've been doing for so long it's
not like an amazing strategy um as I've
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realized as long as your stops are you have a plan for your
stop and you have a broker Max loss um it can help mitigate the
damages um ideally I usually do have the bullets spread out a bit
more than that but on a particularly Duo I realize okay this thing
is a is a bit heavier than all the other China names running and uh
the other China names running xh at the time had a lot more momentum
so I was going with with my gut that this go go up and come down
hard and it did come down it did come down just I didn't want
to wait because once I when once it
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hit I got my 10 cents I I you know what I mean I panicked a
bit I'm not gonna lie my original plan was to take the cover at
like 310 or 305 maybe even $3 where the 90 ma is right there on the
chart but um I took it earlier and as you can see well it's
back up AT3 now um you're never going to get that home run here
that's not not not that is good to go for home runs but
you're never going to get that 10 20 30% trade hold something I
got to work on yeah there you go cuz there's uh there's
nothing worse than thinking that you're up on
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a trade you've got a lot of size Zone but it's
start work and what I've seen a million times is that double
bottom then you've got the higher low you can actually see on
the chart you what after the parabolic you've got the double
bottom then you've got the high and low it's that ABCD but
then it then it fails but I've seen a million times that that
go to 4567 just just didn't just didn't a day uh exactly
right and um yeah that that dump is from the the markets too so
that's like a macro related dump but see how it recovered right
away so this thing is still in play for tomorrow um
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but yeah so I'm I'm trying to get away from these
type of plays uh plays uh plays uh obviously you know they're
in my playbook as long as my stops are in check I can at least uh be
profitable on them and if if I have to reevaluate in the future I
will but what I am looking into obviously is a gap short that's
just another one of the same strategy this is backward sorry goad no
seeing this looks more like a long is it am I missing an arrow that
that's a short too yeah that must be a short no I can say yeah
it's on the same it's it's on the same condo
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yeah yeah so back then we were getting a lot of parir ballets
and then dumped straight down and that's just me expecting it
to go higher so then I had a a living up higher and then it just
came down a lot of this is reactively um you know being instinctive
towards the price option so I can't a lot of it I can't
even vocalize if that makes sense but uh yeah I said I've kind
of move on to different things in my playbook like the gab of short
is something that I've been looking at very extensively and I
want to do it different than how everybody else does it because
everybody else if everybody
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else is doing it the same way you're not gonna it's
not going to be profitable so I gotta figure out a way that's
different that's what everybody else has to do is essentially
figure out how they're going to do it so I got to take my
profit that is a first R day I believe yeah might be a gap of short
actually but that might be a first this is a lot simple right
you've got you've got your resistance lines you've
got is that yellow line vwap or an EMA and then you you shorten the
pp after it's already broke down it's bit more simple
exactly easier on the heart this was before this was
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before the before TP that's when things were clicking
you know what I mean um yeah so exactly that was pretty laid out I
think it was a multi-day runner so it might have been a first red
day but uh OC the other day was a was a gap up short which I did
well on the entry but the exit I did not do well on I wish I did
better on the exit um and there's a lot a lot of them
they're coming they're coming by every day and from what
I've been tracking them they've been doing really well
it's just sometimes they'll run it back up and
there'll be games so ideally if something
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is if I'm short something and it's moving up at
10:30 I don't want to be in it or if it's making new Highs
at 10:30 I want to at least be cautious and what I like about
trading Market hours is you can set a stop right rest once you set a
stop you're like okay you can just set it and not walk away but
I can look away a little bit so which which is the ticket always say
to you yeah if you go on the the chat presume you can see I sent you
the the the chart okay so we're looking at OC this is your this
this is a gap short this is
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what you that's this is what you're moving towards
moving towards moving towards now yeah so essentially you can see I
got my entries in the beginning um as it failed uh because once I
got a certain percentage out of the way I take my profits and
essentially if I can do every day I can have some sort of padding
right towards my day so it just it's not like I'm going to
get the full fade although there is Edge in getting the full fade if
everybody goes for the full fate there's going to be games so I
took everything out you can see right there and there's there
were games so I had limit order
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set up uh up I used to Halt bands as a guide a lot of times
especially when it's a thin name I think this was like a 1
point something million float so all those orders got up top on the
10: a.m. can do til the last Arrow was right before the halt so they
they hit it up to the halt level got everybody stopped out I had a
fantastic average I think it was like 440 450 but I took the the
flush right away which honestly if I held it I could have made
double right and I didn't get back in at 11 when I should have
got back in at 11 at least
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a starter at risk high of the day which I didn't do and
then look at the fade at the end of the day it was beautiful so
that's something I'm trying to work on now um but um did
you have any type of criteria or anything that you're looking
for any kind of edge that you try to research in these Capas I know
cap I I made by when I made the 100K I made it on Capas so I know
them I know them well okay okay great so yeah um float is one of the
things I do look at I know people like the low float ones it's
just uh personally I've noticed when
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they're like Nanos and stuff the cost to borrow gets
very high and I don't like to put first of all I'm only
going small size right now right with with this setup until I feel
more comfortable but um I don't like to put too much money down
on locates right away because then what's going to end up
happening is I'm going to trade it wrong I'm going to want
to get it right away way and then I'm going to scale
aggressively and I want to scale proportionally I don't want to
scale like uh I don't want to throw too much size at one place
I want to be ready like on OC I was ready
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for this thing to go to five bucks I was ready and I I would
have my first entry was 419 uh my second entry was 439 my fourth
entry would have been 20 cents apart so on and so forth up until 499
I would have been scaling my average cuz I'm ready for other
people to stop out but I know for after that 520 where where my next
ad would be that would be a buy order because that's where I
would stop so once I have that criteria in place it just seems like
it's almost like you just do it right you don't have to
think about it and most of the time when you
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get that initial flush uh that initial flush I just take it
like that was a 30 30 Cent plush I'll take it and if it's
like uh on a couple thousand shares 30 cents I can at least pad my
day and start my day with with a little bit of a cushion and then I
can go back to doing what do with my scal or I can just walk and go
do something else with the rest of my day but I do like covering the
initial FLH I don't like sticking around all day that's
not something I like no but I understand what you're doing
because what you could have done is add to a
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winner saying I'm going to play the all day fade going
to take the whole day average to the winner you put too much size
and the falls and then you stop in the 4 40 use and you give
everything back so in some ways it's like say fact to just lock
in your profits at and say I'm done actually I remember when I
was Trading gab as making the most money um I was doing exactly this
shorten shorten the open covering the de shorten waiting to see
those other squeeze if there was and it looked like was topping out
sh in the squeeze covering the next step and leading and know and
know I remember
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leading 102% every single day on trades but sell made 100
Grand and I wasn't trading that much size I was there a small
account it grew and grow and grow and grow was like a $600 account
so I I don't I don't criticize this strategy at all and
obviously it's we for you but um I'll just uh exit screen
share one sec we'll go back full screen so very very man
you've had a you've had a a really interesting Journey
really interesting trading style so just to sum it up the the
averaging up the averaging up and then getting out for the 10 cent
profit that's something that you're not doing so much now
or
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you trying to get away from it um I'll will do it but I
will do it with such small size that when I do stop I'm not
giving back like a week or something you know what I mean uh I did
it on du Duo today but every bullet was like 375 shares or something
like that so at the top of it all my size was was 2,000 something
shares so at that point I don't mind taking a dollar on my
average you know what I mean so even if I lose a dollar on 2, uh 275
shares I'm only losing $2,000 so at least I I I mean right now
I'm not making that
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in a week but I know it when I start throwing enough enough
trades out there I can that would be about a week's profit so
that's pretty much what I risk I know they they say you should
risk like a day or two worth of profit but this is just the way that
this uh strategy plays off for me but there are a lot more
opportunities with this style that's the thing you get a lot
more tries if that makes sense right no Mak it makes sense but I
mean it's like um I understand what you're doing
completely and I can see how you've really really really got
the probability on your side but the
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one time it doesn't work it's going to hit you but
I mean it's but you know that it makes more than a week's
profits before you lose a week's worth of profits the strategy
makes more weeks of profits before so it's it's a been up
and down because you feel good a lot of time with these small scalps
and then every now and then you're bit bit upset because you
just give a week away but longterm it works that's the most
important thing long works exactly and that's what I've
seen so far right now and this is like a much harder Market than
there was back then back then the stocks were much more uh
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I guess you could say volatile like in the sense that they
would go 550 520 555 515 so you could even you could literally
juggle a stock uh what would what would you call you call you call
that right stocks would do that a lot more before than they do now
now they kind of Prov in a very algorithmic I guess way I guess you
could say computers maybe I'm not sure yeah yeah yeah I
understand what you're saying and then and then the other Str
so most of your so most of the money that you've made in terms
of that five from on the run up that was literally the strategy that
you were
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doing the the sculping strategy that which we just discussed
yeah crazy you made half a million doing that yeah um crazy actually
bad but St collection too sock selection too but um and then the
only reason why you lost a lot of it is because you held it after I
was dop correct yeah Christ it's crazy yeah one play when one
play does it it it does uh it hurts but at the same time you know
there is a human behind this thing and I up but it's okay right
I still I still got chips in the game you know so as long as you got
chips on the table we're still going yeah but
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I mean the fact You' you've had a you've had a
strategy that that has proven to have success over long periods of
time and yeah you might take it you may take a week's loss but
so what you've got the broker stop involved now and and the
only time it really went wrong is when you didn't follow the
rules so it's not like your strategy did that it's like
you let it go to after hours yeah that's it there was a lot of
sides to get out of that play a lot of sides that I did not listen
to but that was one of them that was one of the main ones for sure
uh
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just before we CLS out uh is there any any more tips you can
give on either of the strategies that could help new Traders with
the r or do you have any like golden noet for anyone anyone stall
anyone stall anyone stall N I think I mentioned this already but uh
like I said uh get an evening job and put in the screen time just
just invest in trade ideas use a scanner the trade ideas you you
look into the market like I have it set up right here I look into
trade ideas I know what's running after hours and I keep trying
of it for tomorrow um keep a journal track everything track your
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charts track the daily Runners uh track what qualifies for
for Gus or gab up short stuff like that just do the work um invest
in the software don't be cheap um experiment a lot because you
know you got to experiment with different strategies and stuff like
that you don't want to do the same thing everyone else is doing
and that's pretty much it you know but the the trade ideas is
huge it's just the cost of business you gota you gotta watch
the market in a different way that's just my opinion personally
but I think it it helps speed up the learning curve no it's uh
it's it's been a it's been an eyeopener because
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at first when I look at the strategy that you that
you're showing it's like average averaging up in the
parabolics that looks a bit that looks that looks like it could be
dangerous but someone like me who has no discipline but then to say
that you've made half a million from it it's just like oh
to say that you you you'd made so much before in a that related
it's like well no it works it works and not many other people
are going to be doing that strategy so that's a red right M
exactly so very cool man I really appreciate you coming on really
really appreciate you showing the strategy making it public really
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appreciate you being on Kim for and if anyone else wants to
jump on Kim for join Kim for for free for month as well and uh other
than that unless there's any final comments so just thank you
for your time thank you so much appreciate it
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In
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Justin, aka TBOWS (The Bear of Wall Street), a trader who’s quietly
racked up over $150,000 in verified profits.
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But this isn’t just about trading gains. Justin shares the
raw and deeply personal story of recovering from a traumatic brain
injury, being told he had a “low ceiling,” and ultimately proving
everyone wrong through sheer grit, discipline, and relentless
backtesting.
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Pre-Market Shorting Strategy: TBOWS consistently profits by shorting
low-float runners during specific early timeframes.
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Massive Loss Recovery: Recovered from a $100K loss by sticking to
his edge and grinding back over time.
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Obsession + Backtesting: Took a methodical and obsessive approach to
finding his edge through data and pattern repetition.
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Welcome back to Undiscovered Traders. This is Justin, also
known as T-Bouse. I forgot who my wife was. I forgot I was a nurse.
I basically forgot who I was. I lost about 5 years of my life just
gone. So everything I learned in those 5 years completely wiped off
the map and I kind of just had to put my head down and cry. I was
told I had a very low ceiling and but with trading, you know, if you
crack the code, the ceiling is whatever you want it to be. Welcome
back after way way way way too long to undiscover traders, the
podcast that focuses on the charts, the stats, the edge of the
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latest sixfigure verified traders who have not been
interviewed before. This is Justin's first team on the camera,
also known as T-Bows. He is up a staggering staggering staggering
$32,000 and verified profits on the month. 199K on the year living
in uh Tampa, Florida. Tampa, Florida. Tampa, Florida. Jay is the
first question. Is there any pressure to hit the 200k milestone? Oh,
and I hit it today actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Keno was automating
tonight. So, Ken was automating tonight and then it's going to
show through. How does it feel? Uh, it feels great. No, it feel it
feels awesome, honestly, because I have a a goal in mind this year
and I'm on track. So, uh,
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yeah, super super excited. Uh, and I love the uh the
transparency with uh with Kinfo as well. I check it pretty regularly
to see how uh to see how it's keeping up because I use trade
zero and I like trade zero a lot. But depending on if you hold
positions overnight, it kind of skews the daily what it says you
actually made that day where it seems like Kimfo just actually does
it when the entire position is sold. So, I actually prefer that. No,
nice. And look, I want to get in I'm looking forward to getting
your charts, getting into your profit curve, but first of all, I
kind of want to just know know
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know like how does it uh first of all, how does it feel to
hit that 200k and like and and and how do you how do you plan so
methodically like I've got this target, I'm going to hit
it when there's so much risk and uncertainty in the markets.
How how can you have this like almost reassurance? almost
reassurance? almost reassurance? Yeah. No, totally. I mean it it is
a weird time in the market right now but weird times usually create
uh you know great opportunities. Um it it is a little unpredictable
right now but luckily with my strategy it's not it's not
hyperfocused or not focused at all on the macros of you know
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the macroecon economics uh since it's mostly uh shorting
small caps. They like to pop in bull markets. They like to pop in
bare markets. um a little more in bull markets for sure, but uh so
you I mean bull markets they pop harder uh bare markets they
don't pop as much but they go down quicker. So you know you
just got to find your edge in whatever market you can. Yeah. And and
just basically how long have you been trading? How long have you
been doing this? Because you're making some staggering figures.
Yeah, I uh appreciate that. I I've been trading uh trading uh
trading uh about four years. The first two years weren't
profitable
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though. I mean, there were some there's some ugly days.
I had to stick with it. I tried everything from options to going
long, small caps, long uh large caps, uh spreads, and uh my edge my
true edge is in uh in shorting. That's that's the only one
I can consistently profit from to be honest. I mean, I would love to
say I profited in those as well, but that's that's not
where my edge is. No. And that's that's interesting what
you're saying because a lot of people will say um don't
flip around too many strategies. Just try to stick to one and master
it. But from from what I can hear from you, you kind
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of did tried this, didn't work, tried this, didn't
work. I don't know. This makes sense in me head. So how did you
do it differently? Were you investing like a lot a lot of time into
each one? Was it intense or Oh, that's an understatement. Yeah,
I mean you kind of have to be obsessive to figure out your your edge
between the back testing uh and you know this the studying of
charts. I mean yeah I know it was it was obsession mode for sure. uh
and I'm really into like data back testing and that's the
luxury of I mean in today's time you can you know whatever your
strategy is you can back test
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it you can automated back test it especially with um you know
there's great chart platforms out there I even use like yours I
use trading view I mean I even the trade zero chart you can back
test so uh yeah no studying like a crazy person to be honest uh and
it paid off it it paid off so How crazy is crazy? How crazy is
crazy? How many hours would you say in a day? Because people think
they have to work hard when they don't. Do you know what I
mean? People think, "Oh god, I've done three hours.
I'm exhausted. I've studied. I've studied
loads." Oh, yeah. No, in the beginning. So now I I
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I'm just being honest. I uh I don't study charts
very often because I know where my edge is. Uh so minimal study and
uh I do it all from my phone. I don't use like every dollar
I've made has been through mobile. I don't even know how
to use the trade zero app. So, uh the like the desktop app. So, um I
do it all from mobile and I do that intentionally because like I was
telling you, uh you know, I'm in I get into real estate. Uh I
lead retail operations for a cannabis company. Um so, I try to make
it as user friendly as possible. So yeah, I just use my phone and
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I tried the whole 10 uh screen. Well, not 10 obviously I
didn't have 10, but the whole excessive setup with all the
screens, everything going at once and like it didn't do
anything for me. So yeah, do it all from mobile. Do it all from a
phone. That is uh that's absolutely surprising. But uh look, I
mean it's cuz you cuz so many people sit on a screen for 10
hours a day looking at seven charts and overt trade. But you're
telling me you you you work for a company, you work in retail and
you're trading from your phone and you've just made
$34,000 this month and you've made $200,000 this year. I mean,
and
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it's from your phone. Is this while you're walking
around going in house viewings and stuff like that or? Well, so I
have I mean there's some discipline involved obviously and
I'll gladly go over this uh shortly, but I you know between 4
to 6 a.m. there's a strategy if I want to trade that or 4 to 7
a.m. 7 to 9:30 10 or and then 9:30 to 10 when the volatility is the
uh the most intense uh 10 to 4 there's a different style of
trading and then after hours as well. So, whatever my schedule
allows, honestly, I should be prioritizing trading more than
anything else. But, uh, like I was saying, I've gotten into
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like real estate recently with short-term rentals, and
it's pulling me, uh, away a lot. Uh, so I still trade, um, but
it's not, you know, I I kind of revolve my schedule around uh,
trading in the morning and then I do all the activities during the
day because I make the most money, I believe. uh uh in pre-market
and uh or pre-market till about 10:00 a.m. and then after that I can
kind of do my duties for the day. There's still great
opportunities during the day, but I like to trade the quick pops. Um
and as you know, during the day if it goes up too fast, too quick,
it gets halted and it kind
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of messes up my strategy. I can still do what I'm
looking to do, but you know, I'm not going to get a a random
100% pop during the day. it's going to get halted before it
does that and then when things get halted people tend to realize
what's going on and it doesn't get pushed as intense. So
So are you looking at the day one gapers? Is it like the gap crops?
Are you looking into them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So um the gaffers for
sure and you know uh the pre-market they're just wild. Uh
they'll go up um you know 50 100% 200%. It's just
beautiful opportunities. Um and then majority of the time they
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come straight back down. But if they don't, you have
levels at that point. What's the what's the high of the
day? If it's bouncing, where is it bouncing at? Where is it
breaking support? Um, so, uh, you know, you really have to learn how
to read a chart and it's not rocket science, but if you can
understand levels, and the only indicator I use is a moving average.
I use a moving average, and I use that mostly for taking profits
because that's where they usually bounce or if they break
through, you know that, um, you're sitting, you know, in a much
better position. Yeah, we'll we'll go into uh we'll
go into your profit curve
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next, but I'm just curious and we'll go into some
charts because I'm curious how you manage your risk because
this this kind of day one premarket shortening I see a lot of people
being like like I'll hit it here, I'll hit it here,
I'll hit it here and that seems a bit scary. So, I'm
curious to where you go, but how did you even find the strategy? I
know you said back testing. Was that like on an Excel or is that on
a platform? So, well, it it honestly I I use that term kind of
loosely. It's just once you have a strategy just looking uh
looking back at charts to see how often um
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you know something plays out for lack of better words.
There's it's not super complicated. I was trying to make
the buying small and micro cap strategy work and some people do
those those traders I'll say they're better than me that
succeed. But me and you both probably know that uh most people fail
miserably uh trying to trade long those I mean um uh I I believe the
stat you probably can speak to it better somewhere between 90 95 99%
of people fail and I think it's because they go long for these
small because that's kind of the cool thing it seems right now
is is like these small micro caps they might go a thousand%
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true but a lot of times they also go to zero dilute all
friends. So I just try to find uh my edge and after looking back at
charts it was just like it finally clicked uh you know um
everybody's going long so what's the other side of this
equation and if you look at small caps when they pop they usually
come right back down. Yes, you can make money long, but I think
it's much more complicated where even if I don't time mine
right or execute perfectly sometime, most of the time if I give it
enough time, it'll it'll come back to my profit zone where
if you're going long on a pump, if you
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miss that take profit zone, it might not ever go back to
that. By the time it pops again, it's might already been
diluted offering. So, it's almost like a safety net in a weird
way because uh probably a lot of people don't say that with
shorts because you can have unlimited losses and uh I've had
some bad ones. That's no doubt. I've had some uh some
nasty ones. But again, nothing is perfect, you know. No, I know. And
and that's the thing like I think it's it's funny how
like the industry changes over the years because I think
there's definitely always been this h mentality of going long
because people are just more comfortable. It's
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easier. It's more logical to think of buying things that
go up because everyone buys the spy, someone's dad bought the
spy, the dad's dad bought the spy, are invested in the stock
that everyone's got those stories. But it's also with
shorting then you get this other group who all figure this out. But
the main problem with all of these people is that they struggled
with risk and and I struggled with risk as well. And I mean I
remember having crazy results where I turned $600 into big amount of
money but then lost 30k in a day. So, but we'll get into it.
Let's go into your charts because I you have a similar uh kind
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of loss in October, but you've gone on to recover. So, I
want to know what you can do that I failed to do. do. do. Yeah.
Yeah. Absolutely. So, um, let me screen share, uh, because because I
think you'll help a lot a lot a lot of people because a lot of
people can look to short, but the they're struggling with that,
um, they're struggling with that area of discipline to for the
black swan. Okay. So, so talk me through this. So, June 2016, 0 to
150K, what are you doing? What's up? What's up?
What's up? What? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Since right here. So, funny
enough, this is when I uh created my entity. That's
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what the TBOS stands for. It's the bear of Wall Street.
So, I was actually having a pretty good year in uh in 2024 before I
even had this uh Kinfo. And ever since I've had Kinfo,
I'll always have it now because it's it tracks it. Uh but
I never really knew much about it. But when I created this entity, I
started tracking it. And as you can see, I was having pretty good
solid success. I try to value myself on not having just these crazy
insane days and then having, you know, back and forth negative days,
uh, green days. I like to kind of go on a run. And as you can see, I
got
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all the way to what was it? 142K in in a few months, June to
October 13. And as you can see from the curve, pretty uh pretty
consistent. And boy did I uh make a mistake. So 140 down to 67.
Still not in the bed best head space. And I took another massive
loss. So I'm back at uh 39K. And listen, I didn't even
tell anybody about this. My wife knows I trade. My friends know I
trade. I just kept I just kept it to myself. And uh I don't
know if that's the best strategy because like I I I was
I'd be lying to say I was completely stable after that loss,
but again
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that's that's part of the journey. And I actually
have that chart pulled up and I I don't know if you want me to
go over it now or later. But yeah, go for it. Yeah, let's take
a look. Yeah. So I think I think it's this one. Yeah. Drug. Oh,
I hate even seeing this ticker. Okay. So, as you can see, it was
trading in like the$1302 range right here. And um you know, October,
it was a while away. And I've tried to to you know, I've
studied this chart to prevent it from happening again, but recently
I haven't looked at it too much. But as you can see, let me
zoom in a little
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bit. Um as you can see here, like hella bullish. like this
thing is crazy crazy bullish and I actually I'm a little
insane. I like seeing halt ups um because that tells me that the
fall usually is going to be so brutal. So brutal. Yeah. And I was
averaging up into this position and see this already went from like
two to like 17. So I learned a lot from this um because I was
already super red in this position um right here. And when it broke
right here, a new high, I should have just left. I should have just
got out, re-evaluated the position, but I didn't do that. Um, I
like learning the hard
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way and I kept holding, kept holding, kept holding, kept
holding. And then Trade Zero liquidated my account. Right here.
Literally right here is where they liquidated it. Then uh the
following day, I think when I had that 26k loss, I got I think I got
in somewhere right here where I thought it capped out previously and
then it went on to shoot up even higher. So yeah, drug uh drug it
destroyed me. It really did. And I know and it's funny because
probably somebody will get enjoyment out of this because shorts are
so hated. Shorts are so hated. But it's more just uh this one
got me. This one got me. And I'll admit it.
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Um, I should have gotten out way earlier. Uh, somewhere right
here. I still would have took a decent sized loss, but that's
that's part of my strategy shorting. Like, I'm okay being
in the red. I'm okay waiting for the play to play out. I'm
okay taking a a decentsized red loss, but it went from decent to
just almost wrecking my account. No, because I mean I I know this
strategy because I I've traded this this strategy as well. Um
and and I and I've done the back test and stats uh on on a
platform called Edge to Trade and um I think you can get like an 82%
win rate depending on the criteria that
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you enter. Um so when you've got like an 80 plus win
rate, you can afford for the for the for one stock to go wrong, but
it's like you've got to like not get sucked into the fight
if it does break the new high a day after the halt up. And
that's a good way to put it. You got to be comfortable with
taking losses. And it's still hard for me because like I said,
I my strategy I have to let it play some. I don't know where
the top is. I can find levels and they can guide me. But with my
strategy, I'm okay if I'm in the red. Uh and I average up,
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average up. But the the hardest part learning curve for me
with shorting has been like when to throw in the towel, you know,
when to just take the loss. Uh because I think I would have taken
about a 10 or 15k loss there. I'm completely comfortable with
that. I know for a lot of people that's that's large, but
for my strategy, like I was like I have like a 90 what two 93% win
rate. So I can win that 10 or 15k back. But when it starts getting
above that, that's when it starts being extremely painful. But
then you get in your head, you know, it's like how many green
days do I have to
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make to make this up? And you can even see from this chart
like it took from October 140 um all the way to this year this year
before I made it back. And I mean and the and that's really not
that bad I guess in the grand scheme you know but it's not bad
but but it was it was you know it it was a grind. There was I traded
every day and it took a while to get it back. But to your point you
casually mentioned the mental aspect of it. That's what a lot
of people I think don't realize about trading is it will test
you mentally. Um and uh that's the hardest
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part. Finding the edge is the easy part, but not letting a
loss crack you and give up. I think that's that's by far
the hardest part. It's not get it's it's like
it's also not getting into positions early because you think ah
it's a bit quiet. There's not been much momentum.
I'll just jump in this one and that's the one that that
goes. So, I mean, how are you having that? A lot of people say that
it's so much pain they've just learned, but have you done
anything with your psychology or your discipline to to not enter
early and to exit at the right time? Um, I mean, it's something
I'm constantly learning and I
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I weirdly enough, I am thankful for this loss because I learn
you just learn so much from losses. So, I actually took another
decentsized loss here recently. Not nearly to the the size of that,
but I think I would have taken that loss again if I didn't
already take the loss, if that makes sense. Because I saw it getting
out of hand. It was way bigger than I wanted. But, uh, cuz see, I
got up 219, then dropped all the way to 186. So, it's about a
30k loss. That hurts. But um I've had 30k weeks so I can I can
win that back pretty pretty quick. So but I mean it kind of goes
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to my like original story. Um I don't know how much time
we have but uh I'm kind of telling if I have time. Yeah. Yeah.
So, uh, I really haven't shared this story, uh, publicly too
much, but I I'm actually kind of like proud of this story
because I I made some little like notes, uh, to kind of speak to
kind of speak through it. Um, and Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't
know if I quit screen. That's okay. Stay off. If you want to
tell the story, tell a story and we'll come back. Yeah. So,
Yeah. So, Yeah. So, um, it's kind of just kind of where I got
like the mindset from. I won't
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I won't spend too much on it, but um I was actually a
RN, a registered nurse uh before I got into trading and I hated it.
It was not fun. It was, you know, I nurses and doctors in the
hospital settings are saints to me. But uh my career actually ended
uh in a way that I uh would have never guessed. I was involved in an
accident and I had a brain injury and I forgot who my wife was. I
forgot I was a nurse. I basically forgot who I was. I lost about
five years of my life just gone. So everything I learned in those
five years completely wiped off the map. Uh they
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called it I think it's called uh coupe counterc coupe
injury. Uh but long story short uh I it jacked up my short-term
memory. I was like straight goldfish mode, bro. Like couldn't
remember anything. started having seizures, personality changes
because of the frontal lobe injury and uh I went to cognitive rehab
and uh the conclusion was after a year that my ceiling wasn't
very high to put it nicely. They told me I should consider like
working at a like a toll booth, low acuity because of like my
cognitive ability. Uh nothing wrong with working at a toll booth,
but if that's your ceiling, you know, that's that's
uh that's not the best news to hear. Um,
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but you know, I had good support. Um, and I kind of just had
to put my head down and grind. And that's kind of goes back to
what you were, you know, what I was talking about earlier with that
obsession mode. Um, I kind of had, uh, to create a new path forward.
And that's kind of where I started that obsession mode. Uh,
overly studying because anything in life, you got to I mean, unless
you come from money, uh, and even if you come from money, it's
a struggle. But if you, you know, I had nothing at that point. Um,
so I had to uh my wife wasn't working. She was in medical
school, so
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we didn't have any money. And uh along the way, I I
worked a few different jobs uh low acuity jobs like a sitter um with
brain injury patients, uh a jet ski, um tour guide, and like just
very low acuity things. And then I broke into cannabis. Not gonna
elaborate too much on that, but started as a bud tender, worked my
way up in a, you know, a matter of a few years. Now I'm over
retail operations for MSO. And the point I wanted to hit on all this
is that like these dark moments, these, you know, 75K loss in a day,
brain injury, all that. there. If people really just view these as a
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a good opportunity and learn from these uh opportunities, you
really can go a long ways because my biggest the thing I see a lot
of times is when people fail in trading, they just like give up.
They just like don't try again or they or in life in general
especially um you know it seems like my generation can be bad about
this too is like when things don't go our way just like
flopping giving up. what was what was what was uh I am 33 33
millennial millennial. Um and uh so I really wanted to bring that up
because like uh you know at one point I bought my first stock and I
just was
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I fell in love with it, you know, uh no boss, no customer,
nobody else in the equation. Um uh but the part that really got me
was like the no ceiling aspect because uh I was told I had a very
low ceiling and but with trading you know if you crack the code uh
the ceiling is whatever you want it to be. So it's kind of like
a uh you know a bittersweet um and I think that's why I obsess
about it so much is because I study I back test and just keep going
until you figure it out. And um and now you know here we are. So,
uh, so long story short, the
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reason I wanted to share that is because I'm hoping that
it connects with someone because, um, you know, that loss, the 75k
loss is hard, but, uh, your brain injury is a little bit tougher.
So, I think once you have to deal with something like that, it makes
things like that much more approachable, easier to understand. I
mean, I didn't even know who my wife was. I had to fall back in
love with my wife. Crazy, you know, it's like movie movie
things. Um, so just make sure whenever you have a moment like that,
you just figure out how to capitalize on it. It's it's
it's an incredibly powerful story and it it's like like
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like um there's a a quote or a saying where someone says
the hardest thing that anyone knows is the hardest thing that
they've experienced. So when something so horrific has happened
to to to you, the the difficulty of trading or the difficulty of the
loss is nowhere nowhere near as bad because your your your tolerance
of pain and suffering is so far beyond anything else. And um and
that's what makes it difficult for people who come up in more
privileged life when nothing goes wrong. the their their tolerance
for pain is very low because they've not had to experience any
pain. But um that's a good way to put it. But you you've
you've you've
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succeeded in retail as well. Yeah. You've had some
success in in real estate. Sorry. Real estate as well. Yeah. I mean
it goes in every aspect of you know life. It's just if you work
hard enough odds are in your favor. You know what I mean? Because
like if you outwork your competition, good things can come. And I
get that's not for everyone, but I also don't want to
hear, you know, it's hard for me to hear people complain that
don't put in full effort. I get it. But, uh, you know,
that's the great thing about life in general. You can you you
decide your destiny. You know what I mean? Like, yes, we all
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come from different backgrounds, but it's all about
capitalizing on the opportunities in front of you. And um I I
embrace trading and I still think I'm just now starting on my
trading journey. I've only been doing I've only been
profitable for two years and and so, you know, embrace the darkness
sometimes. Uh rediscover yourself and just make the best of the
opportunity because you only get so many opportunities and you uh
just got to do what you can with it. And um yeah. No, but I I
completely agree with you and I often feel that anyone who can be a
millionaire in trading can probably be a millionaire in a lot of
other things. They
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can be a millionaire entrepreneur. They can be a millionaire
real estate person. They can be a millionaire in drop shipping
because it's not cuz the one thing that they all have in common
is they're all incredibly difficult things to achieve that
require the right mindset and persistent discipline. And like for
you, it's not a coincidence to hear that you're doing well
in three different things because you have the mindset to apply
yourself to all of those to all of those things. So, but it
it's a strong message and it and it's really true and it
it comes back to that people to be honest for me, I thought I was
working hard when I was
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doing two hours after work each night. And I realized I
wasn't working hard at all. I realized there's people
doing 10 hours a night. And I thought I was, "Oh god, I'm
doing really good. Oh god, I'm really I'm trying really
hard, aren't I?" And then I just realized I didn't I
didn't want it enough. I didn't I didn't want it as
much as the next guy. And it's and it's a it's a zero
sum game. But if you've got any thoughts on that, share them.
Otherwise, we'll we'll jump back into the to the charts.
Yeah. No, I I I agree wholeheartedly. But um yeah, I'll I will
share my screen again, get back to
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where we were. Um can I just ask, are you grinding like 20
hours a day or something or not so much now? on all of the things
that you're doing. Are you very work focused, success focused,
or have you've done the work? Yeah. No, definitely. I I
probably a little crazy to be honest. Um, but uh a little obsessive
like I was saying. I The weird thing about it is yes, I I spend many
you you got to fall in love with the hustle is the best way I can
describe it. Like I enjoy it. Like my free time is doing this. I
enjoy it. You know what I mean? But uh like I also
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have noticed that once you do become successful in c certain
things that that hunger kind of goes away. So it's almost like
making sure that hunger stays strong. Um because uh I've
noticed now I get a little bit more complacent. Like I was saying, I
don't study charts as much as I used to. I don't do x y
and z. But yeah, I I put in some I mean I you work I have a W2 as
well. So, um, uh, but yeah, so this is where we're at now. And
I actually, uh, have a few examples of, you know, I don't know
where you wanted to go from here, but, uh, I do have some
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examples of some charts pulled up of some trading styles that
I, you know, my shorting strategy if you want to go over. Yeah. No,
I think it'll be tremendous value to the community. Yeah, I
think we've covered some really nice things here from mindset
from what it takes to to have success and uh yeah, let's talk
some technical so people can see see see um exactly how you can have
an edge uh for as much as you're willing to show. Okay. Oh
yeah, I I'm very transparent. Um so I kind of have it's
like I was saying and um I don't if you um allow me to to give
my handle out. I do have
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Yeah, I do have a little a group I'm um I'm
starting and I will gladly share any Like I said, I I appreciate the
opportunity. I would love to teach, but I do have kind of like a
breakdown of my trading style and I'll go through all of them.
Uh like I was saying, I do have a cheat sheet. I thought I had it
pulled up here, but I'm not sure if I do. But I have I kind of
trade based on like time frames. So, the very first time frame
I'm going to go over is the 4:00 a.m. to what is it? 6:59 a.m.
This is my favorite, but I have a hard time
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I'm going just be honest, just being real. I have a hard
time making myself get up at 4:00 a.m. every day. Uh because
I'm a I'm a night owl. I usually go to bed after 12,
usually one or two o'clock. So, that 4 a.m. gets here pretty
pretty quickly. Um, so, uh, this is the first. So, but this is the
first one. It's called the pre-market heavy spike, or
that's what I call it. This is my favorite out of all the
trades. And as you can probably see why. Uh, and in from 4:00 a.m.
to 6:59 a.m. stocks just pump. And it's usually not related to
news releases. I don't know if it's uh Discord
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groups pumps or or what. You know, I I I'm not here to
tell you what's happening, but I can tell you how I trade it.
But as you can see, like this is a frequent occurrence. 4:10 a.m.,
especially from 4 to 4:30, because even if I do wake up, I'll
I'll wake up from 4 to about 4:30 and then if I don't see
trades, I just go back to sleep. Um, is that healthy? That's
debatable. But, um, this is how I trade. Uh, you know, you
can't have it all. But uh so this uh this pumped at $410 and
went all the way from let me hide the zoom thing. So it went all the
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way from uh $4 all the way to $10. And as you know things
like $10, they're like hard psychological levels. So I put in a
short once it started looking red. And there's not much to say
about this one. This is how this is how these 4 a.m. trades play
out. It's about as easy as it gets. Like I don't think the
strategy is super hard where a lot of people because there's
not enough there's not enough um liquidity in the market at 4
a.m. Like it's easy to knock this thing right back down and and
a lot of people like blaming it on shorts. A lot of times it's
the long selling that's causing
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this more than the shorts. Uh but regardless, it'll dive
back down almost exactly where it was at. So, that's what I
call the like the pre-market heavy spike uh fade. And my Do you have
any like are you looking for the first five minute red candle on
that or something for the entry or is there a safe way to get in or
is it scale it or Exactly. Scale it. So, I um especially when you
look at let's see what can we compare this to. Whoa, this was a
new stock. So, yeah, this is a perfect example actually.
There's no levels. I don't know if this is a new stock
that hasn't been trading long,
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new ticker name, whatever, but for especially for something
like this, if you want to enter this position, you you must realize
there's high risk because there's there's literally
no levels. So, what I usually will do is when I notice a pop, little
scale, little scale, little scale, little scale. And to your point,
it's all about small because when I've had my big blowups,
it's usually because I've scaled in too early. So, I never
go 100% in. I it's like I usually try to get in about four
times. So about 25 or about 20 uh let's just say five times.
It's 20 to 25% of my position and then once I get to where I
because
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I I pick 10 because I had a feeling that it would not bust
through 10 and you know it it it couldn't close over 10. So by
the time I did that I probably had an average around 859 and then it
just it just tanked. So, yes, good question. Scale in with shorts. I
think it's very ill advised to uh put in your full position
immediately unless we're testing a zone, and I can get into
that on another chart. Um, but yeah, super. I think this is the
easiest trade that I do. This happens quite frequently. And do you
have a number where you say I'm out? Because it's like,
how high can a high
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stock go? Yeah, you got to have those. Uh I don't like
actual stop losses. Uh because I've learned like a lot of times
like appropriate stop-loss is probably right above 10. Well, what
would have happened here? It would have hit that and came all the
way down. So what I've learned is have like a mental stop-loss.
Uh is that more high risk? Yes, it is more high risk. But you are
going to lose some trades when this goes up. So I told myself 10. If
it breaks through, if it goes from two to 10 and it breaks through
that psychological level, get out. Get out, you know. And I got in
around 850, probably average.
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So, yeah, that would have been a decent sized loss, but you
know, a decentsized loss doesn't blow up your profile, uh, your
account, you know. So, but yeah, definitely scale in. And
here's the little cheat sheet I was talking about, but um,
I'll give my handle at the end with this information. But the
next one is very similar. Uh uh same concept. I won't spend too
much time on it. This is from 7 a.m. to uh the 7 a.m. trade. This is
actually today. That's why I pulled it up. I shorted this one
today. Um and insane levels. Like look at this. It went from like se
70s to $11. Beautiful opportunity, but if you
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get in too early, you you get blown up. So again, it's
all about scaling into these positions because you got to have
enough in your account for it to be a little red, but you just have
to have a a certain position where if it goes here, I have to get
out and played out beautifully. The next one is my uh kind of the
9:30 to 10:00. Um this is when you, as you know, the market's
the most volatile. And this is where I'm talking about you can
go in a little bit heavier. Um, and obviously, you know, not
financial advice. This is my strategy. I go in heavier whenever I
see a clear pre-market
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high. So, these are one of my favorite actually, uh, because
I'm usually awake, alert, oriented. You know, 9:30 is a good
time to trade. And I did go in a little bit heavier here because
these you can kind of So, I know that if it breaks this pre-market
high right here, I'm getting out. And it happens to be 10.
Again, another psychological level. It's just hard for people
to push past, you know, solid numbers, especially like 10. So,
pre-market the highest it got up to 10. I put an entry a little
before that. That's the key. Don't put your entry or I
don't put my entry right at 10 because it might not fill. So,
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I do it a little bit before maybe 975 or something. And I
barely got it here. And then you can go heavier because see, even if
it goes through this, your loss is minimum because it only went up a
few cents. Um, but those other ones I showed you, you don't
want to do that because you don't know where the top is. I know
where the top is right here. And if I'm wrong, small loss. If
I'm right, it plays out beautiful like this. So, this this is
one of my uh my favorite strategies. Uh, I'll stay through this
one quickly. Uh, same thing. scalping. I do this during the day from
10 to 4,
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you know, just find levels. Uh, and I use your Kinfo. I
exported this to to Trading View. Um, you know, just like as you can
see right here, it's just whenever it pops uh because I
actually like to to um to kind of snipe like like trade like this,
but I go a lot smaller because it's a little less predictable.
less predictable. less predictable. Then the the after hours. Uh
like I was saying, you know, I have a different stylist for each uh
time of the day. It's all shorting, but depending on when I can
trade for the day, this is what I look for. After hours are usually
pretty fun, too. It has more
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liquidity than pre-market, I believe. I could be wrong, but
for me, they don't seem to fall as hard. So, once you get a pop
like this, see see if you can figure out where it's topping
out. $1 is usually a psychological level as well, but it busted
through that pretty cleanly. I took a a short position and often
I'll look at, like I said, I don't use a lot of indicators
and stuff, but I will look at their cash position. I will look to
see if they have any offerings. I will look at uh, you know, more
fundamental things like that, especially if I'm going to hold
it overnight. And I liquidated some here. And
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as you can see, a lot of times they just do not hold their
gains. And then the last chart I have is sometimes I do swing
trading as well because one of my favorite I I've never seen
anybody talk about this so I'm sure other people trade like
this but one of my favorite things is a pop Friday afternoon.
That's what this was. And nine out of ten times people will
completely forget about the stock come Monday. And some people might
say well don't you have to pay borrow fees over the weekend?
Yes, that's something I factor into the equation. Of course,
like uh if it's insane borrow fees, the risk or the
reward's not
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there. But I remember this one, this was very recently. What
was it? Yeah, earlier this month. Um it was like 30 bucks overnight
for like a 10k position. So I think I paid like 90 bucks on a 10K
position. Uh so that's that that wasn't much for me. Uh
and then as predicted uh by the time Monday got here, straight
liquidation. And I mean that's a solid, you know, 169 to 118. I
mean that's that's a nice that's almost 50 cent 50
cent drop. Um so yeah no that's that's my strategy in the
nutshell. Uh just I have different time of days different strategies
for those time of days and when I can trade I
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try to execute and I try to find a simple strategy. I
don't think I'm the smartest guy out there far from it. I
just try to make it as simple as possible so it's hard to fail
and I do it on my phone and uh yeah that's that's
that's that's that's it in a nutshell. No it's
incredible. Um so I mean when you just a couple of questions and
we'll close but do you have any like how far does your
fundamental analysis are your technical analysis go? Do you are you
looking into the news? Are you looking into kind of the history of
the daily or the does float matter? float matter? float matter? So
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float doesn't matter. I it probably should matter. Uh I
see some people that talk about it religiously. I more focus on the
technicals. So I probably didn't talk about technicals enough
because some of those examples like was a brand new stock. But it
that's kind of the technicals are key areas for profit taking
and to see how high this stock can potentially go. The fundamentals
I if I'm holding a position that doesn't drop. So, my
favorite stock is the ones that go up and straight down, of course,
but sometimes they don't do that. So, to decide if I'm
going to hold or sell is usually based on the fundamentals. I look
at their cash position.
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I look and see if they have a history of offerings. I look
and see if they have a history of maintaining gains. And like I
said, I don't look at float much, but I do look at market cap.
I prefer anything. I prefer under 20 million. 50 million I I can do.
And I rarely short things under 100 million because they just retain
their gains. They just they don't they they're real
companies. Yeah. They're real companies. Yeah. So they they
don't always drop down uh immediately or ever. You know, if
it's good news, most of these, you know, stocks less than 20
market cap, it's just fluff. you know, it and I hate to say
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it, but most these press releases, you know, like you'll
see uh Bioc release phase one data and it goes up 300%.
Fundamentally, nothing has changed with that company. They're
still not making money. They still have to pass phase two fast phase
three FDA approval. So, that's kind of how I look at it. And
it's it's nice. I I I see the strategy that you're
talking about. It's nice that you've um it's nice
that you've shared it. I've seen similar traders trade
similar things and make a lot of money just like you are. Um the
reality is people get scared that it's going to lose edge, but
it probably won't because no one's going to get
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up at four o'clock in the morning to do it. And
it's that comes down to how bad you want it again. Yeah. But um
I think I think that's pretty much a wrap from me unless you
had any other um any other messages. Any any links that you want to
drop in the description, we'll drop in the description uh when
the video goes live. So, if you want to shout out any links or any
any places where people want to click, that will be in the
description below. But otherwise, it's just it's just
it's just um if you've got any advice for for people to
get started doing what you're doing. doing. doing. Yeah. And
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um I I appreciate that and appreciate you having me on and
appreciate uh the app as well. Um wish I would have found it sooner
so I could flex more gains, but that's uh this has been since
the bear of Wall Street was created. But yeah, I mean it goes back
to some of the things that we were already talking about is risk
management. Um, you know, you probably everybody talks about it, but
you really have to find those levels and respect them. The times I
did not uh you know, it it it ended ugly and coming back from large
losses is so hard, especially when you have small wins. Um, my
handles uh I
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will I mean I'll give it a shout out. I I recently
created a uh Instagram handle for Bear of Wall Street and it's
called Bear of Wall Street. It has a period in between each word. So
bear period of period wall period street is what it is. And um I
also created a little circle group that's free. Don't plan
on charging for it. maybe in the future, but I I've been
blessed um you know uh with learning this strategy and I would like
to help others. Um, and uh, the circle group. I'll it's
easier just to probably put that one in the the link, but I'll
but I'll but I'll put you guys can click
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below the links. The links will be there. Just send us by
email after the thing. But, uh, and I guess that's the best
advice to get started is to join the circle group, right? And, and
start learning day-to-day. And then I might jump I might jump in
there as well. Please. Please. Yeah. I I again it's not
it's it's not a I don't think it's a super hard
strategy but to your point what we've talked about a lot you do
have to you do have to respect the risk with shorting because
it's the one strategy I mean there's other strategies but
you can have unlimited losses that's why um you have to uh make
sure
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you you respect the respect the game or you'll get
humbled quick and we'll end on that Justin thank you for the
personal story. Thank you for your time and uh thank you for the
invaluable advice. There was a huge huge huge amount of golden
nuggets there that most people don't share. So, thank you for
your transparency. Yeah, absolutely. Anytime. All right. [Music]
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welcome to undiscovered Traders I just don't want to
really play um and do any trades pre market because I just want to
spend the time playing poker Andre is a was a six figure trador
he's just just just dropped him the rad up if I sit on the
table and I don't feel I'm better than the other players
why should I be there welcome to undiscovered Traders the podcast
that focuses on the charts stats and Edge of the latest six figure
verified traders who have not been interviewed before today
we're talking to no F3 S3 and S7 but by his screen name of
course better as as as Andre and Andre is from R pla
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Bulgaria Andrew is a was a six figa Trader he's just
just just dropped into the radar but we'll we'll cover it
in a little bit so welcome to the six fer club we P we P you back
out but he's also a professional Trader and teacher so
we're going to get that in a little while but first Andrea how
are you tell us a little bit about yourself uh hello uh my name is
Andre I am 34 years old and uh uh basically I have been uh betting
money for Living like uh the past 13 14 years I haven't really
uh taken any real life job and because I started playing poker at uh
uh
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19 years old old and I just found myself to be very
successful there so I took uh that time to develop myself in poker
and after some time I just realize that there is uh um some limit in
playing poker I mean uh if you um level up through the stakes you
reach some point in which uh it's really hard to compound the
money or just use your skills uh and I I found that in trading or at
least uh from the theory I know about trading that uh this is uh
this limitation is not there I mean uh you can uh once you find a
real wge you can just compound any wealth you
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got and just reach a new new new new highs so uh this this is
my Philosophy for uh Building Wealth if you if you can say so uh so
uh I'm trying to be a really tight on risk I I don't want
to like uh go to zero and I've never been to zero like playing
poer uh like uh trading so far I mean I I I said uh struggles in
both uh if I can separate them as professionals uh but uh what
I've learned is that the only way to succeed in uh something
like this uh is to just work on on yourself I mean you have to do
all the hard work by
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your own and there is nobody who is going to tell you uh how
to do it and how to do it properly because everybody is different uh
different people have different emotions like level of risk some are
willing to risk a lot of money and reach uh um uh um uh um like a
very very big amount of money in a very short span of time um
that's definitely not me and and and how how much have you made
in poker are are you allowed to say is it okay to say roughly a a a
figure uh let's say that the um I don't know maybe mid six
viers but it's really done uh um
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slowly I mean I've never been a poker player who just uh
jump uh into the state if if you know the basic of pocket like the
stakes are doubling up like you're playing with $100 on the
table next next level you're playing with 200 400 uh 600 1,000
Etc so uh I just uh chose to play like uh mid Stakes there like 200
400 for example and make uh some money without pushing the
boundaries of myself because it really takes a lot of emotion to to
manage the to manage the draw Downs of course because it's
it's the same like trading uh uh once you get to used to losing
like $5,000 in a in
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a day then you get used to losing like 10,000 uh but there is
there is just a limit for everyone and uh by the time I got uh older
and I got a really uh lovely lovely lovely I just uh started lering
my wrist because now there there are people new people like my kids
who depend on me and uh it's not an option for myself to
disappoint everyone who uh who um who I really love so uh I want to
really my Approach is to take things really small and build uh very
steady in a steady manner manner manner and diversify between still
I'm I'm playing poker and uh thus uh I I built
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a some a trading approach which can allow me to do that
because uh uh I I'm uh in a really different time zone uh
considering the uh the market USA uh because now it's like 720
and uh for example for me it's not an option to to stay up late
in night I I cannot really play after hours or I just don't
want to really play um and do any trades premarket because I just
want to spend the time playing pocker and uh make some money there
no makes makes full sense I'll let you H screen share and bring
up your k for chart we'll take a quick look at it now but I
just
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wanted to ask you what is the most important um crate that
you need to have as a Trader and a poker player for success is the
is the one line trade it's it's definitely the discipline
I mean uh once you have the discipline and the courage to never uh
never let Let It Go I mean uh for me uh it even because I can say
lot in trading I struggled really a lot uh um compared to Poker and
uh I understand it simply because uh in trading you're like
from day one you're playing against all the very good guys I
mean uh there plenty of Traders which spent million of dollars
researching they all the
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hedge funds all the institutional Traders and you're
just there in this pool which is a really uh really hard for uh
beginner it's it's like uh I I I can even say that
it's impossible to just put any money in trading and start
winning money I I don't think that it's possible to do
that and just just to say poker in poker you're just slowly
building levels you're uh getting higher and higher and uh
you're playing against really bad people at the beginning I
mean uh they just don't know how to how to play poker and and
so so it's uh does the tradings uh lot harder than uh than uh
poker definitely yeah it's
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it's really interesting so what what would be a secret
to being disciplined like what do you do that 99% of people
can't do that makes you makes you makes you disciplined uh well
I I can say that I never give up I mean uh if you never give up and
you believe in uh the idea that you want to succeed uh in some uh no
matter it's like poer training or live job uh the the courage
you get from uh maybe even motivation uh you can he from not giving
up is the the force that uh moves you forward because there there
always be moments in which you want to give up because you no
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longer like it it's very boring it's very uh it
became uh really stressful for you but uh not giving up and having
the routine like uh you wake up at some time you do whatever you
like in the day and you you just set your mind that uh after the
Market opens you're here you're staying here you're
doing your job you're doing everything uh in your powers to to
become better better better yeah most important think in uh in any
aspect I guess yeah 100% agree and 100% understand uh let's uh
very interesting wisdom very interesting thoughts if you want to
bring up your uh k for stats okay so we have your chart up
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here I want to ask you about your uh screen name no name no
name no 337 but and more importantly is uh you never had a draw down
you did this is your only trading uh account cuz he never went red
it looks yeah yeah uh well uh I do actually have uh draw Downs
because uh uh I as a Trader I decided to approach the market totally
in a systematic way because I understood that of course everyone has
some background in trading and uh my uh short uh background was that
uh of course I paid uh a lot of money to get into some groups to get
with some really good Traders and uh
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try to work from them but uh none of them had this uh
systematic I trading approach and all of them were really great
Traders but they were discretional Traders and the problem is that
no one uh can teach you about his experience because if you're
a very good discretional Trader uh you you became uh such because
you have a lot of experience and also you work a lot on uh your own
so um before uh 2023 because this graph Stars pro I think around
about this year 2023 I was like one year in a in a room which uh
tried to introduce like systematic trading but uh things were really
struggling I mean uh I
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I went into a like 50 60 70% draw down in which uh just
things were bouncing up and down and nothing really happened so I uh
one day I just uh decided to quit the room and start doing uh all
the research on myself I mean of course I I've seen some
methods how to collect data how to how to maybe use data how to have
some templates for U uh for um analyzing data and so on and uh I
decided to start building all this process on my own I call it
process because uh uh once uh you go through all the process I mean
um collecting the data analyzing the data using the
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data uh and really finding the edge uh all the Traders are
talking about I think that a lot of beginners like to actually see
what what an edge is uh because I've seen it uh in poker for
like 13 years and if I sit on the table and I don't feel like
uh I'm better than the other players why I be there so in
trading it's exactly the same if you if you cannot say why are
you better or why what are you doing better than others then
it's impossible for you to have an ed everything is just uh
maybe dreamy and you can you can just hit a few good traes and
become like
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very selfish that everything is working just to go uh to zero
after that I guess this is the this is the story for a lot of
beginning Traders so um the graph goes uh on the right side of
course uh I I think the um this was the really the thing that uh
helped me push uh like uh this Milestone six figures uh to just uh
do all the work on myself I mean I I I was literally like uh six
months and uh yeah at more I was doing everything on my own I I mean
uh before that I had for example a friend who would uh I would ask
him to pull me
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some data to pull me some information I can work on because I
I wasn't really good in uh just um collecting data for example
because uh I knew uh like exactly a zero about Python and uh she she
was pulling data sending to me of course and nothing really worked
that way because once I started started literally seeing how the
data counts um it's it's just not secret I can say that
I'm using python I'm writing uh like code in Python and
using polygon if if it's it's pronounced this way so uh
it's it's like uh all the all the very little um things
you can seen that like uh I I can say something
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like uh when when a stock is Haled nowadays uh you have to
see how the data comes from there because uh because there there are
no bars which are printing so you can uh you have to adjust a lot of
strategy B based on that what if you have a trading s signal which
is just uh before the the H and you actually the stock opens to 100%
higher I mean there are recent examples about this so you have to be
uh you have to really know how to collect data I mean how to use it
and you have to do this on your own so that's the only way you
can uh get deeper
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and deeper and understand everything uh about uh about uh
what you want I mean how to uh you have to you have to connect uh
like your um your data or the things you're collecting with the
uh trading approach you want if if you say so because like this
graph I'm I'm literally trading um like for 3 hours
maximum per day it's like 4:30 like 4:30 like 4:30 to to 7 and
uh and I I guess that's that's the the basics and uh into
like uh achieving such a graph I mean this graph is done like not
not by observing the the market for the whole day all the work is
done like premarket I
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I've spent like at least three to four months because I
I I was really angry that the trading was not working for me and I
had to figure how so I started collecting all kind of data I started
writing all my trades I started uh using uh as I said python with
polygon I started pulling all kind of data uh uh where I'm
going out where I'm going in and uh all all this I I it's
not crazy stuff but uh you have to analiz every aspect of your
process uh so my simple process is that uh I just want to uh to
exploit some uh inefficiency about the market and most of the time
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if you go through my trades uh they are just uh just the the
symbol stocks that uh that have gone like that made some some
parabolic uh movement so I'm not interested in a lot for now
like in multi-day Runners I'm not interested interested about
in like something that goes only 30% up or 40% up and uh this you
have to just constantly constantly work on on the process just to
improve every aspect of it you you just cannot give up on anything
iing from the entry to the exit you have to check if uh it's uh
if it allign with your strategy because like uh my strategy is
building uh Excel so so I
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have to be really sure that I'm uh really taking the
trade in the right point and exting at the same point I have back
test yeah uh and uh I just wanted to add something that it's
really not useful to at this point to listen to other people because
uh everyone has a different strategy and of course I mean I'm
not saying here my strategy is super good or anything uh just uh
there things that you cannot Implement in your strategy let's
say uh all the people say uh you have to cut your position before
late uh late day squeezes or something like this and I'm not
doing this why because I'm not not in
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front of the computer I don't want to spend this time in
front of the computer just waiting to see how the action action
action develops and this is the graph you see I mean this is purely
systematic and I'm doing I'm doing only the things
I've I've back tested anything that is outside of my back
my back test is really um it's really out I mean I just
don't don't do it and I I found that this is uh this is a
way to start I like making money if I say so because I'm really
in the beginning of my trading Journey or at least I I accept it as
well because this is really
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like a year or and uh nine months I guess something like this
and most of the people I see uh in Twitter they have traded for like
six years 10 years and so on so you have to just find an edge
understand what really an edge is and just uh make sure you're
you're doing you're doing it the same way you discovered
it uh you you cannot bypass uh any um any aspects I mean uh in
I'm training obviously if you if you look through my trades
I'm trading only small cups so in small cups if you're
emotional like I got some graphs I will show later but if
you're emotional you would really do
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bad because the whole Market uh uh I I've just uh
I've seen in my eyes like moves in uh in some kind of traps and
the ranges that are that are uh created uh uh make uh are really
easy to force you to make a mistake I mean this is I think this is
the biggest St in small cups that people are just falling for um for
any uh for any uh rapid uh price movements and they're making
mistakes for that and I can say that I think that I'm
exploiting this by uh by my strategy sounds very good I'm
really curious to get into some charts as well if you want to pull
up
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one or two charts if there's anything give away any tips
for uh for beginners looking forward to seeing uh what what
you've got here and a a little bit of a deeper dive into and
how you're making this making this making this 100K okay I um I
will go like in in the process of my whole uh strategy with very few
graphs uh because uh it's very easy to explain why I'm
doing this in the way I do it and uh in uh in all the graphs you
would see it's like a stock is uh just going parol it for some
time so I can uh pinpoint of course some of the uh just a
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second I just want to uh share something I've seen and
uh why why I'm trying to Michel strategy is trying to avoid it
so let's say we we break down the the price uh movement of uh
this is Du and it was like I think three or four maybe five six days
ago when uh the stock recently started moving so what uh what do you
get like for act so um there is literally I think a lot of guys are
making a mistake I mean if you're not winning Marine because uh
the guys who are winning Marine they know what to do but uh when
when a stock is going up um so so rapidly
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so there are a lot of um pullbacks like this one this one
this one of course like this one and so on in which uh I mean uh no
matter I found that no matter what strategy you build let's say
you build a strategy that you want to enter after the like the last
five bu Wes are are broken down let's say you want to enter
here there all be always be examples in which they will just rep it
higher to like maybe stop you here and there will always be examples
in which the stock does this so uh so it's it's just like
let's say this is a trap I mean of course this
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is like a short shop uh because they they're uh
they're booking shorts like here like here and uh they set some
level or maybe there is some daily level I I don't really care
I mean I'm I'm using literally uh zero daily levels and
zero indicators I mean I I just don't use any indicators in my
in my uh strategy so the whole market lookes like this is uh what
what can this is for example a bull trap it's like the stock is
breaking down it it instantly goes down so no matter in which site
you play uh either you play uh long or short let's say uh this
is the fake out this is
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the the moment they trap another short because some somebody
has this setup in which uh the stock is building lower walls and uh
it uh it breaks down so they are stopping Longs Longs are starting
to be interested because the stock is going higher so what happens
next the stock go down so everything in my eyes just just moves in
traps so uh after I've I've seen so many drafts I mean I
spent at least like uh maybe a month or so looking at all the IPO
it's very easy to just P all the days in which some stock uh
have ripped higher so the conclusion I came to was I don't want
to par
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participate in any of them I mean uh I'm not uh uh just
if you see the timeline this is the this is the time I really get
get uh get out of the room I'm trading I mean I I just cannot
follow any action after that and even even here at 12 I'm just
not really following following action so I'm not here just to
watch what the does what does the stock does here so it it does
something like double top and it starts pay tring and someone will
say okay it's breaking down some trend line and whatever so I
find a way I found a way to just um enter any anywhere I mean
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just uh it's it's best to use uh the first uh uh
many Traders might say that it's the the front side but you
never know where where the front side is because what if the stock
comes here and breakdowns so you you never know where where the
front side ends so after seeing the chart for the daily it's
very easy for some um some Trader to say okay this was the front
side why are you shorting here why are shorting here why short
shorting here or even here or even here it's it's because
it's a system trade for me it's somewhere there in my
Excel file and I've seen that this this short has an
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H okay of course there will be stocks which will be going
higher there will be stocks which I literally top tick and they die
like 50% 50% 50% so I just uh I just uh approach trading in this sty
I just don't want to do anything about short traps long traps
or I don't want to cut any of my position because uh the stock
is going high and this is really a hard part of trading because uh
recently I've been of course as you as you saw that I've
dropped below uh six years and I hit some draw down and it it is no
surprise because on in September we had we had a lot
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of Runners like some some stocks are closing 200 closing 200
closing 200 300% above uh the previous day calls so there there is
nothing uh I want to do about it the only thing think I want to make
sure is that I don't my account doesn't go to zero and I
manage the risk uh for example the September was the worst one since
I started trading uh these Mo ups and uh it ended being only 10%
draw out for myself so uh I think I I mean at least I found this
good for for myself of course so so so just looking at the strategy
it's really really interesting so obviously shorten shorten
small caps
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you shorten parabolic moves on on small caps you have any
other without giving too much away because I don't want you to
give your strategy away completely this is just to help others learn
but do you have any other indicators such as uh you don't have
any indicators I know but are you looking at Daily are you looking
at float are you looking at news are you looking at hot sectors are
you looking at institutional ownership ra yeah I can say few words
about this and I never look about news the only the only way I would
consider any news it's only if stock is merging or it's
some accusation or some murger type of
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uh of trade and this is only for gappers I mean uh there
there are very few examples in which stock goes parabolic up upwards
and uh after that there is some news that the stock is gting getting
uh bought from uh some I don't know institution or whatever so
I focusing literally uh zero on any news and uh believe me um before
that before I started being consistant I would uh I would really go
and read the news because uh at some point uh you're just
curious uh let's say you want to just uh see what the news is
uh that the stock is going up is going up and at this moment I was
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in the group I was tell telling you about that they also get
this systematic approach and after that I see few guys right in this
court and say oh oh gosh this is so good news this this thing is
going 100 300 500% up uh this cannot be stopped this this is the
best news any stop is having uh the sector is so hot it's like
China it's uh marijuana or whatever you want you want just uh
this is this is something that but uh I cannot really say you can
back test in time I mean uh okay you I'm pulling obviously
I'm pulling uh stocks which made parabolic movement of
let's say 40 50
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60 and uh above movement about 40% for example and I never
analyze any news so why should I include this news in my process it
doesn't make sense no it breaks the process the process
doesn't work because you're not following the back
you're not following the back Des news so you're going
forward T the news it doesn't doesn't work like that I
mean so I mean are you in terms of risk are you putting a hard stop
in there cuz I'm me see you've got an execution you know
that you're putting a stop in based on your systematic formula
it's like 20% 60% away could be a wi stop could be a close stop
but
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are you putting the Stop and walking away walking away
walking away or um I can say for stops that I think this is the
maybe biggest stage I can I can just pull out and uh if you're
trying to play small cops with the small stops and the small stop is
like 20 to 40% it would be uh I don't think it would work for
yourself because I was as I was showing you just enter here to get
stop out here you just enter here but you don't make enough
money to the to the close or even up to up to here uh you just
can't make for the max walls you already taken so
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um the way I I really spent time thinking how to approach
this was that I I really want to be in the in the most possible way
in the move until the market closes I I think this is the sentence
which uh which is the the break the Breakthrough about the strategy
and this is by only by doing uh really white stops I mean uh I know
that uh I don't think anyone does this I'm really sure but
if you enter here what what does your stop has to be so that
you're not stopped here or whatever so it's going to be
like uh 50% at least uh what about if you enter a open
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let's say this was a a gaer so your stop has to be how
much 120 yeah okay so so you go through all the data you you're
having and you want to make sure that you're in the mall you
don't want to fall for any of the traps you don't want to
fall for like okay this stock is riing another 1 1,000% higher or
this stock is uh like making uh too many short traps so I just want
to want it or whatever my my bias is never changed I mean I'm
playing all short I never never really play anyone and as I said
I'm just doing only the things I back tested uh I
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can also um uh stress few few points out because the market
really I think it changed this year and what uh worked really good
in 2023 was to enter with the whole size in um in let's say the
first spot possible let's say you you will figure out some kind
of pite as I said you just short something like uh uh here or
whatever I mean uh this this stock is obviously uh it had some um I
don't know I mean uh this is the type of action you will
constantly see uh in in h smoke CS uh some Traders will think this
is exhaustion because the stock pull out a lot of volume on
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one minut chart also it closed uh it closed lower it created
some weak so this is like a weak pattern or something uh some other
Traders might draw some um I don't know maybe trend lines and
see that the the stock is closing below them like here so the stock
is uh falling below the trend line and they just say okay this is
going down and start uh and let's say they exit here because uh
they're risking this high and just just to get stop and like
was maybe 20% uh but in the end what what would have have happened
they would have won like 10% okay so this is one to two so this
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is what I do in like 13 years I just bet money with some OD
and I I accept this S I accept the outcome and I just I just want to
be in the whole time because this is uh this is the process and this
is the thing I back tested and this is The Edge I I can see in uh is
small CS I think that's perfect and uh I think we we'll
close up there I think you've given more than enough volume
more than enough a way to help a lot of people on the next uh steps
H the only one thing that I would say is if you got to do a
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strategy like this with a white stop make sure you use the
appropriate size for that stop and make sure you can take the stop
because it's not easy to take a 60% stop because you're
like ah it's up so much it's up even more but make sure
this guy can take the stop make sure you can take the stop but you
have any final tips any any words of wisdom to close out uh yeah I
will show you like uh the implementation of what I'm talking
about and uh I randomly F this uh because I really don't take
uh uh the I mean I don't analy the data in the screenshots but
uh I just
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write everything in Excel but you can see that the sound
stock opened it it is prtg uh so it opened it was I think it was
some high goer so I just Center in few sizes I never really got
stuff out so I waited till the whole move fed as I covered and here
you can see like I started entering uh near the open of uh what is
this VI or yeah yeah I'm not really good in reading the stock
names so you can see that here uh if if this is not mistake because
sometimes I would try to enter right before the trigger I mean uh
the trigger I call the the trade I
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want to enter but let's say I enter five seconds earlier
just to just to see because I I'm thinking that it would be
valid for myself I mean it would be the uh the one not the zero and
uh it it turns out that it's very slightly negative uh for some
reasons for some of my um obvious for my Approach and I I might cut
it but here you can see the these are definitely some Max stops so
uh you can see literally a maxtop at the top so I can I can do
anything about it I mean it just stops me out and and that's it
I accept the outcom when when I first
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entered I accept the outcome that I'm either getting
stop for I'm covering with the date BS I me this is uh I I
don't really think I can share anything outside I mean the
whole process you can see that is uh it is uh developed based on
this so this is something I would consider uh a good execution for
myself I mean I had volid trades uh later like on the uh like a week
after that I might I would go through the after I pull all the
trades uh I had mean I pull the data I would go and see if I made
any mistake because when I'm having like 10 12 trades uh
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in this uh in this example uh I might I might miss something
or might I might as as you see I might make a mistake and enter to
Le just to see that the trade is uh is isn't valid any longer
for myself so um I would I would make sure that anything I got in uh
in my database is is exactly the same I'm executing this is
very important because uh I want to be I want to be perfectly sure
that this is this is The Edge I want to apply to the market so I got
one more rph and I mean it just it just uh points exactly all the
things I just
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said something going up so I just make entries this now yeah
yeah this was some gapper I think it was the day before uh it got to
like $30 pre market so I just enter my positions all the all the
trades uh I'm I have in my database and just how at the end of
dat so something I I actually uh want to stress about the new
Traders and I just just found this post from yesterday of course I I
was money on uh this stock because it had a valid trade for myself
and although it came down a lot and I was in a profit at some point
I took the loss because it
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closed near the highs uh but uh the thing I I think uh um
people were just ping about is that the get rich quick uh topic I
mean uh they they see this and they they see opportunities like to
uh invest 10,000 and get to like uh 10 million in one trade or
something like this and uh I don't think this would really work
for anyone I mean the the AG is not created in this way uh all the
all the all the H just stocks with time so we have to be really
patient you have to really take only the the things uh you know are
working never uh really take I mean I
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I literally have zero discretion traes in like the the past
two years I think need it's either it's either about it or
not and I I guess the people's psychology is built this way
because um they're they're just seeing opportunities but
they don't know how to sa them and uh they just fall in the
into the market trap I guess this is most of the uh beginners
beginners beginners mistake that makes sense yeah that's what I
said earlier that I'm really tight and on risk and uh I mean I
I I think that I would get a lot of criticism about the the charts
you saw earlier but uh I know why they're working and
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if people make uh deep enough calculations how to how to
approach all the entries I have uh they will understand also what
what what is the edge because it it just looks like I'm average
averaging indefinitely like if the stock goes up to $100 I would
still be entering in it and this is not true this is this is
definitely not true makes both sense f appreciate your time I fully
appreciate the value I think it's looks like a fantastic setup
and uh you've obviously executing it with data behind you and
the most important thing is the risk so great job I hope to get you
back on at half a million hope to get
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you back on at a million is any any final any final thing you
might want to pass on any final tip in new Traders and then
we'll close those well I I would say only to traders who are
really string um reserve your capital and do not trade unless you
understand uh where you got an edge just I don't see a point
make it it's just like playing roulette I mean uh you know that
the casino wins from it but you're just doing it because
you're either uh impatient or something like this you're
you you just want to win a lot of money in short span of time it
just doesn't work this way and
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my method in like trade I think I think it can uh it proves
my uh thinking oh look and that that's uh that's good
advice from a six biger poker player and a six biger trainer thank
you very much for your time uh and uh we we'll we'll catch
up again soon
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Yanni, a former trader at SMB Capital, is now verified on
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this episode of Undiscovered Traders, Yanni explains how trading his
own capital unlocked the flexibility and confidence he needed to
scale. He breaks down his biggest lesson from SMB - asymmetry - and
how just a handful of high-conviction trades each year account for
the bulk of his gains.
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00:00 – Meet Yanni: From NYC to $280K trader
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01:28 – His journey through SMB Capital
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11:47 – Going solo: leaving the firm and scaling up
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13:40 – Building confidence through systematized playbooks
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18:03 – Why he avoids prop firms like Apex
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23:28 – His main setup explained
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28:14 – Best trade during Trump tariff panic
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33:14 – The psychology behind trading stretched markets
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37:04 – Final advice.
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Asymmetry wins: 80–90% of Yanni’s profits come from ~10 trading days
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If you hadn't have been at SMB, you would still have
made it profitable. What I've noticed that the senior traders,
they would do this all the time relative to their daily stop loss is
the biggest form of edge that I have is something that I like to
call as welcome back to undiscovered traders where we focus on the
charts, stats, and edge of the last six figure going on sevenig
traders. You do not want to miss this podcast because we have a guy
who's previously been with S&P Capital. Uh this is Yanni
living in New York City. His profit and loss has just skyrocketed to
just under quarter of a million. 223K, am I right?
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Yes, just under that I believe. And uh that's all just
recently in the last like eight months or something like that. So
you are the next undiscovered trader. You are the next guy on the
path on the path to the million. Thank you. I appreciate it. Dude, I
keep on thinking there's a Christmas tree in the back left
there. What is that? Back left this way. Yeah. Yeah, it's not a
Christmas tree. It's like a transformer or something. I
don't know what it is. It's blood. Yes. So, it's a
little bit of a glass box. I just have a little bit of like
memorabilia stuff just from like trips and stuff like that. Just
just
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showcasing stuff. Yeah. you're you're going to have
a lot more memorabilia as you travel around the world when you uh
once you make a bit more money, bud. Dude, tell us about S&P
Capital. We're just talking about it before. Like what's
your history? What's your past? How do you get into trading?
All all the good stuff. good stuff. good stuff. For sure. So, I
started trading around early 2019, late 2018. I always was really
interested in the markets. So, just through my dad, I always try to
stay invested into the market. I found trading just on social media
around 2019 and I was a complete just noob during that time. I
didn't know anything about
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markets. I think during co that's when I really uh sank
my teeth into the SMB style culture. I think I found them on YouTube
and Instagram and I just knew that I really wanted to pursue this.
It's something that I always found interesting and I thought I
had the skills to kind of make it there. So I applied to the firm
around um 2020 2021. I actually got denied from the firm once or
twice before making it in. And it was around the summer of 2021
where I started as an intern. I was in college at the time just
graduating in 2022. I was an intern for about a year or two, I would
say,
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and uh they really liked the work that I did there as an
intern and I got hired full-time in the summer of 2022 at the firm.
Uh after that, I traded live until 2024. until 2024. until 2024. Uh
it was a very competitive environment. I learned a ton from the
traders that were there and a lot of lifetime connections that
I'm not going to lose and just the overall culture and
strategies that SMB teach is something that I lean into even now.
But like so do you think that if you hadn't have been at SMB
you would still have made it profitable or do you think there there
are huge are huge are huge Yes.
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I think the learning curve at SMB it sped on my learning
curve tremendously being at our firm talking with like-minded
traders. Um it was completely invaluable. I think if I was by myself
it would have taken way longer to be profitable. I mean,
there's traders on Twitter and YouTube channels like SMB that
promote all this free stuff, and I think if you really lean into
that, you can be profitable yourself. But the learning curve is just
so much greater if you're not at a firm or in a tight-knit
community or uh team like that. like that. like that. Yeah, I know.
So, like if you if you're an SMB, is that like literally going
to
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the office in New York City? Uh you're having drinks
with these guys. You're hanging out with these guys after work.
You're having lunch. Is it like tell me about a normal day
there? What you can Yeah. So we would uh I would get into the office
around like probably 8 8:30. We had a lot of consistent traders that
would show up into the office every day. You try to network with
them when you can. And uh yeah, I was pretty much trading in the
office uh pretty much three, four times a week typically, sometimes
more. I would try to go on the weekends sometimes to do some R&D
stuff, but we would have happy hours
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every now and then. It was always great talking with the
senior traders there on the desk and try to make connections
whenever you can. I mean, they were also pretty busy at times. There
were some traders that traders that traders that don't show up
all the time to the firm. I mean, when you're an eight figure
trader, seven figure trader, you're not going to be coming to
the office. You're going to be, you know, trading on your own
elsewhere. own elsewhere. own elsewhere. But, um, when the market
was really hot or things were in play, they would show up into the
office. And it was great connecting with some of those guys. Uh, la
last
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question on this and then we'll go into your uh, profit
chart because, uh, I haven't seen anyone's profit chart
for a while where you c you capture the moment where they've
just boomed and it's all just kind of clicks. So, I'm
looking forward to going to that. But is there like a key a key
lesson that you learned there or a key takeaway or one or two things
that you'll not forget? Yes. The biggest thing that I learned
from the senior traders there is that asymmetry is so important.
There's so many traders that size every opportunity sort of the
same. What I've noticed that the senior traders, they would do
this all the time relative
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to their daily stop-loss is be extremely small on average
days where edge is not really there. And then for the very rare
opportunities, they would be exponentially bigger. And it's
obviously a skill and there's a ton of nuance involved with
each trader strategy. But with every senior trader, that is
something that they leaned into tremendously. tremendously.
tremendously. And it was something that I was missing very early on.
Um, I think what changed for me is recognizing in my playbook some
of those opportunities and specific uh playbooks where asymmetry is
really important and sizing up those trades. And that doesn't
mean like risking half your account on it. It's still within
limits, but it's sizing down
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on the average days and really swinging the bat on the very
good days is what changed and the biggest lesson that I learned at
the firm. the firm. the firm. Yeah, there's there's two
really big skills there. one recognizing the opportunity and two uh
being able to cut a bigger size loss if for even if you've got
an 80% edge on Monday and that's the reason that you have sized
up compared to a normal day is 60 55 or whatever you got an 80%
probability able to recognize when it's gone wrong and not get
suck it in. Is there anything on that that you've picked up or
on on psychology or discipline? Yeah, I noticed
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that my trading and psychology is just so much better when
you're smaller. you're smaller. you're smaller. and
waiting for those big opportunities. And it's going to be very
obvious. And I think it also kind of depends on the playbook and
your strategy. I trade a lot of uh daily mean reversion. And
there's some things that you could quantify within that that
objectively make make it better. So when we go over trades, I could
share a little bit on that. But those are my overall thoughts on
that. Uh just trying to be small and uh not lose too much on slow
markets is such an important skill. Yeah, I know. Some of me biggest
losses have
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come in small markets. So, let's let's take a look
at your uh profit curve. I'm I'm looking forward to uh
going through it and and just while you while you share screen, do
you want to let me know um is it uh large caps you're trading
by the sounds of it? So, it's a a mix of uh both. I trade a lot
of large caps, but definitely when small caps are in play, I lean
into that. I definitely prefer large caps a little bit more, but um
I think opportunity comes in both. So, it's really important to
just move to where the puck is when that happens, you know. Nice.
Okay, let's take a look
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at this uh this uh exploding rocket chart. I don't want
to I don't want to build it up too much. The guy's up
you're up nearly 250k. You're doing well. But it's
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Uh yes. And we are up. If you want
to go all time, do you want to click all time and take a look at
this? I think that's where Yeah, that's the I think for
some reason. Yeah, back in down here. I don't think my I think
maybe I have to upload a new broker or something something something
back here. back here. back here. But yeah, I was going to focus on
just the last one year. But
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yeah, all time I mean that asymmetry back where we had very
big opportunities in April and a little bit of May was the key
difference. And we had a little bit of pockets, you know, in
February and a little bit in December and such, but uh the most
important thing that I want to highlight is that my P&L would be
kind of just steady and just have pretty big spikes where the
opportunity is the biggest. Uh like I said before, like the senior
traders would try to lean into that skill being asymmetric on the
best opportunities. opportunities. opportunities. It wasn't
uncommon for some people to have like 80 to 90% of their profits
come from
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like only 10 to 20 days out of the year. So, I tried to
replicate that through my trading as much as I could. And uh the
market in April and May was just super in play for the strategy that
I take. I'm sure we all know what happened around that time
with the Trump tariffs, but tariffs, but tariffs, but uh yeah,
that's that's what I have to say about that. Yeah. No, I I
I've spoke to I I see a lot of the top traders in my network uh
all go big really. They have a lot of 2,000 days and then
they'll have a 60k day out of nowhere and they all do exactly
what
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you're saying. I've spoke to guys who've been
in prop firms in the States and Poland around the world who also say
in the offices and the prop firms all of the top guys aren't
there most of the time they're only there for the hot markets
and all of a sudden the office will be full one day and like so
everything that you're saying is um is so relatable and
it's such brilliant advice that I'm hearing from
everywhere but what I wanted to ask you first is uh in your previous
broker that you didn't upload is was that like flat or were you
making money or Yeah, I think it was just extremely small. I mean,
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during this time I was trading at the firm, so I don't I
don't know if I could upload my firm stats. It was sort of like
a little bit Yeah, I don't know. They had their like own
platform. It's not like we got like statements and such. I
think I tried to upload it before, but um um um yeah, if I
That's fine. It's the most important thing I want to know
is in October it clicked basically. That's what I'm
getting at. In October, something happened where you got profitable
in a big way. What was it? What happened? Yeah. So, I think actually
around here is when I left the firm around September of 2024,
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that's when I started trading my own capital. But once I
left the firm and was trading my own money, it was the same exact
sort of philosophy that I had at the firm where you had to be small
on average days and size up on the big ones. And uh just throughout
that time, we didn't have super big opportunities where I could
swing the bat on that. But as time went on towards March and April,
uh that big spike is when we had those opportunities and I was
confident to swing the bat on those because I had this uh cushion
from just trading well previous times. But um yeah, the biggest
takeaway for me is
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essentially just sitting in your seat and waiting for those
big opportunities and actually sizing up and having the nuance to
actually know what that is. Um, I actually talk to a lot of u junior
traders and try to help them out. And when uh they ask me, uh, you
know, playbook questions and such like that, uh, I always tell them
that the playbook is sort of everything when it comes to this. Like
the only way that I'm able to size up on these big
opportunities is that I'm super specific with what makes them
good opportunities. It's not just arbitrary saying like,
"Oh, this setup I think is good, but size up on it."
It's like
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systematizing that very specifically to know which ones are
the best. And I do this like through like a little checklist that I
have intuitively, intuitively, intuitively, but that comes with like
just all the work that I did the last four years pretty much. pretty
much. pretty much. Can I just ask you like when when you when you
left uh S&P were were you kind of thinking like that's it
me I'm done with trading or or I'll give it one last
chance by myself or were you like no no no definitely I know
I'm going to make money on my own. I definitely believed in
myself. This was something that I wanted to do with or
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without the firm. I think the firm not working out was just a
little bit unfortunate. And I think I just think overall would have
been better to trade my own money, have my own risk management. And
it was a little bit of like the corporate lifestyle that was a
little bit I got to say like I don't want to say too much.
That's the wrong word. I just felt a little bit more
comfortable trading my own money because it was I'm not sure
how to describe it. It was just a little bit different psychology
trading my own money versus the firm money. It was a little bit more
real with my own capital versus the
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firms. Um definitely things like the desk fees and the split
was a little bit challenging especially when you first start out. I
wish it wasn't so high, but um yeah, I mean it was extremely
tough at the time when I entered. Like we were in a pretty tough
market in 2022 and it was just uh a little bit hard to bounce back
after that and I just thought it would be better to trade my own
capital with the skills that I had at the time with no split, no
desk fees. I could trade pretty much uh whenever I wanted and sort
of that relief helped me to you know scale up my own my own
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book I think I think I think yeah I I can completely
understand what you're saying because like in in some respects
I think going to some sort of firm is like trading is so difficult
in so few major that the best chance of success you can give
yourself for majority of people who aren't complete geniuses
would be to go on firm and be with top traders every day because you
want to surround yourself with the people you want to be like and
that's just the best way of doing it. But on the flip side, how
on earth with trading being so hard can you survive the split fees
of being at a firm and what
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they want to take of profits? Then you've got to pay tax
on that. And it's like and it's like what what is left of
the money that you make in a game that's so hard to in the
beginning? It's it's just it's like too hard, right?
right? right? Yeah, for sure. I couldn't agree more. I mean,
yeah, mean, yeah, mean, yeah, but then you've done it. But
you've you've you've had your education, you've
surrounded yourself with the best people, you've come out, and
then you've got the best of both worlds, I think, in the end.
the end. the end. Yeah, for sure. And I think for some people like a
firm environment would be 100%
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better, you know? I think at least for me, I just felt a
little bit more comfortable trading my own capital. And I've
talked to some people on Twitter or X, whatever you want to call it.
Um, it's sort of similar for them. So, there's definitely
two paths to this and you don't have to be at a prop firm or
not be at a prop firm to to kind of make it in that in this space. I
think which which method of learning do you best recommend for every
new trader? I think, you know, leaning into the traders that are
very transparent like SMB Capital, they post a ton on YouTube. They
have traders like Lance
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B who is verified 8 figureure trader. trader. trader. Those
are the people that you should learn from, the most transparent
people that have like nothing to hide. So that's people like
LanceBagi LanceBagi LanceBagi um traders like that that want to
share with you and uh actually want to see you do well. do well. do
well. Yeah. Not not so much the other guys who are big big rooms
sell it lots lots of courses cheap kind of thing right uh you know
like the ICT traders stuff like that like they're just Yeah.
Um, I have a lot of beef with the, you know, Topep type prop firm
like Apex stuff. But anyways, yeah. Yeah. And that's
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that's a whole other thing like um with Topep I
don't even know what the model is, but it's some sort of
uh gamified competition of Do you want to describe a little bit how
it works or what the issue? I think the difference with like a prop
firm like Top or Apex versus like SMB is when you're getting
funding as a trader. With Apex and all these other prop firms, there
are so many rules. The market is already hard enough. At least at
S&B Capital, like they do give you a little bit of wiggle room
of what you could trade, how you could trade it, your draw down
rules, right? you work with the risk
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manager to sort of scale up. With a firm like Apex, you have
all these rooms that are built in for you to fail the challenge.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I understand that they want to give you funding
and they're very picky with that, but there are some rules that
are completely completely completely against how good trading should
be. For example, consistency rules. We talked in this meeting about
um asymmetry, sizing up on your best opportunities, right? If
you're trying to do an evaluation at a firm like that like
Apex, it's nearly impossible with consistency rules. I think I
actually tried a challenge once once just to see and it's just
futures, keep in mind, right? I
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didn't know about this consistency such uh rules and
such and I got denied payouts even though I you know made money with
that because of the consistency rule and they told me you have to
make more money and eventually you'll hit your trailing draw
down. um to me was absolutely insane some of those rules. You have
to bet bigger on the best opportunities and firms like that
constrict evaluations like that because they're they want you
to fail the challenge to an extent. Um they want you to size the
same on every trade and I just have a very strong belief that's
not how you should trade. I completely understand what you're
saying and and it's
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a shame because it gives some problems bad like when
there's a lot of good ones out there. Gives some props bad
rotation when there's a ton of good ones out there. But But But
yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm sure Yeah. And I mean I'm sure
some people are consistently profitable at a prop firm like that,
but there's just so many more that are not. And it's just
sad to see because they're very predatory there. I mean,
there's firms like SMB Capital that want to share with you.
They post on YouTube, right? they share edge with you and people
still gravitate towards those things and um there's so much
free information out there whether that's YouTube,
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Twitter, whatever. And um you should really learn from those
guys instead of the people that just want to make a buck off you. I
don't know. don't know. don't know. It's
it's the same with it's exactly what Kenfo is trying to do
now. It's the same with the education space. It's like
there's some good real mentors who've made millions of
dollars and it's all proven and verified and they're on
Kinfo's leaderboards and they've already made the money
but they want to educate their way of doing it. And then
there's a lot of other people who are better arguably many of
them better marketers with no verification at all. And it's
like for me I've got
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a ground rule of how can how can you teach if you can't
do it yourself? You can't do it yourself on a daily basis. How
can you teach it? It's a big it's a big rule for me. But
anyway, we'll get sidetracked. Do you want to um show some
edge? Show a couple of charts. I know that you've been keen.
You've got some safe up and we'll we'll close out on
uh on some of the charts. But so so far it's been a fantastic I
love love love to speak to the guys who've been in in some of
the problems. It's it's such a deeper insight insight
insight than uh than uh than uh than
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the guys who just learned by themselves. But both both are
interesting though. interesting though. interesting though. Yeah,
for sure. Um, and also by the way, the way that I got into Kinfo was
actually on Twitter. I always am really active. I post like
executions like this. You can still see my screen, right? right?
right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I post a lot of these executions. There
was somebody that replied to me that said that, you know, this is
fake. Like, your P&L is fake. I'm like, I'm sharing
like all these writeups and executions. executions. executions.
Like, no. Like, no. Like, no. Uh, so I went and got verified on
Kinfo and I, uh, you know,
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just at you guys on Twitter and that's how everything
started with this. So, um, I'm glad that it did, you know. Ah,
beautiful. And and now you're on now you're on here as
well. So, it's h it's helped spread the right message.
It's fantastic. Okay. So, so walk us through this. I don't
see a daily here, so I'm interested in how you're going to
walk walk us through this. Yeah. So essentially the biggest form of
edge that I have is something that I like to call as exhaustion
gaps. It's something that Lance um Lance B talks a lot about
actually in his blogs. But essentially the way that I quantified
this is you need to
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see four ATRs in the last five days. Some sort of hot theme
or catalyst that's in play. And this could be like cryptos,
semis, things that are like very retail heavy that you know grab the
attention of a lot of retail traders and something that a lot of
people might want to chase. So everyone wants to find the next
Nvidia or SMCI or SMCI or SMCI etc etc whether that's with the
quantum crypto whatever those hop themes are extremely important for
this sort of playbook. So essentially I want to see an ATR extension
on the daily chart. So the way that I quantify this is ATRs in the
last five days and the way that
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I do this is just with my indicator right here. And um the
reason why I constrict it to four ATRs in the last five days is one
you could see historically like where it has traded on the daily
chart and compare like the pullbacks when it gets to the top end of
this range. But it speed and time is so important for this setup.
You want to see an extension in a fast amount of time. And if you
have the time element attached to the ATR, it makes it extremely
beneficial. So that's the way that I try to think of it. And uh
if you don't have that extension in ATR and you're just
quantifying
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like, oh, it's up whatever x amount of ATR in weeks
versus that speed up in ATR. I think that's a difference for
this strategy just from a technical standpoint. Um, obviously you
want to see like a high percentage move in uh a month or two months
time, maybe even shorter depending on the stock. And you also want
to see that capitulatory volume on the daily and increased volume on
the daily. Um, once we have that sort of setup, uh, the whole point
of exhaustion gaps is, you know, the stock actually gapping up and
giving you sort of this backside trade. Yeah. And once you have that
daily chart alignment, you just have to think of
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an intraday entry intraday entry intraday entry somewhere
where you might get involved. And for me, that's either like an
opening range break or just trying to short fast moves or long fast
moves depending if it's uh on the long or short side. But a
fast move like this, for example, opening range breaks or long
lengthy consolidations after hours of uh sideways are the best areas
to enter this. And I typically try to stick with these for sort of a
trend day. So I have a few examples here. Yeah. So we covered like
the top things here for ATRs, etc., etc. So here are some of the top
trades that I've taken. And actually, you could
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I'm pretty sure you could see on Kinfo like my
executions too, right? Or the P&L. Yeah. Yeah, we can see them.
Yeah, we can see executions as well. Yeah. So, if you want to go
back to that, I have no problem showing this. But essentially, like
like I said, you try to short the pops there, opening range breaks,
I would probably verse high a day on that. So, that was a good one
on QBT, which is a quantum name. Uh IPOs are very good for this.
This is a day three IPO trade where uh circle absolutely went
ballistic like this stock uh had a very low pricing ran up the next
two three days and
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even though I don't have like the ATR in days for this
you typically try to get like the average range that it's
trading in and when it's up two three days in a row closing at
the highs or near the highs and then gapping up that sort of backs
side trade is uh really powerful. So recently on circle that was a
good one. If I go back to my executions is typically the same thing
like I'm trying to find backside patterns under VWOP opening
range breaks lengthy consolidations and I'm just trying to play
the the intraday ranges for that. So that's on circle GME
recently that was on 528. So, if you notice, like all
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of these are just super hot retail themes, IPOs, uh GME, this
was like cryptoreated. They did the crypto treasury. Um Um Um yeah,
just those exhaustion gap type patterns is uh what I try to capture.
It's just the same thing over and over and over again, played
the same way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, the big Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. I
was just going to say I would probably guess that you get these
depends on how hot the market is. You probably going to get two to
five of these a month or something like that. Maybe slow months you
get two good months you'll get four, five and that's it.
Five trades a month. Five good
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trades a month. In a in a good market, maybe in a slow market
you may get one or two. Yeah, I would say that usually two to five
is pretty normal. I mean, there's a lot that may look like it
might be an exhaustion gap and it's not very good and those are
the ones that you have to avoid, but like I said, being specific on
your playbook, uh the nuances that we discussed earlier, those are
the most important for me. And if you compare that criteria to the
sort of worst ones, you're going to see that it probably
doesn't reach all this criteria versus the ones that do work.
um more often than not
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they're going to have those nuances for sure. It's
it's incredible you've just gave that all of that criteria
away. It's very nice of you to give that criteria away as well
because it's I know this pattern because it's something
that I've traded in the past. Not to those specific criteria,
but it's a those uh volatile volatile retail stocks put a big
gap in shortening them against the previous day support or what
breakers took a couple of years to figure that out. So, for you to
give it free right now on this podcast, uh, uh, uh, it's a
great it's a great uh it's a great help for a lot of
people if they take take
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notice. Yeah, I don't mind sharing it. I think um
it's definitely easier said than done. I wish there was people
telling me um you know, trade this setup, learn this stuff. It takes
me it took me years to kind of figure that out, too. It's not
something that comes easy. And even if you do have this criteria, um
you still have to know how to spot them, where you're going to
trade it, uh how to size up on it. All those are super important.
And even just getting out that criteria, that's just the first
step in trading, you know. So more than happy to do that. Uh
it's and also trading it in real time
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is somehow it's a skill developed over years and years
and years to make the chart at the end of the day look the way you
want it to. like your charts, the way you've traded them, it
takes a couple of years just to have the executions perfectly lined
up anyway. Like cuz a lot of people can look at charts, I would have
done this, I would have done that, I would have done this. done
this. done this. But to to to make the chart perfect, trade it
perfect, it's not easy. Yeah, for sure. Um I think is that it
or do you have anything else to show or is that was pretty much it?
Yeah,
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I mean I would say I mean just the last thing with all these
examples, right? And just the P&L curve that we talked about uh
before the biggest trade and the most breakout trade that I had
recently was th this exact specific pattern on the overall market
which we get um not very often. Um if you study the nuances for so
this day here we actually did have that same exact pattern just on
the overall market. It's the same sort of nuances right four
ATRs in the last 5 days. And if you study this indicator um in the
overall market you're going to see that it's actually not
such a bad signal. Um and you
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could get this on Trading View for free by the way if you if
you want it. It should be there. But um yeah, we had the biggest
extension that we had in pretty much even before co like co
didn't even have that big of a down move I think. Let me double
you trade long as well as short which is interesting. You play it
both ways. Oh nice. Oh nice. Oh nice. Yeah, for sure. This could I
we had one on UNH as well that was a setup that we had. Uh I would
consider this sort of an exhaustion gap that we had uh recently
here. recently here. recently here. This is like a little
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bit of a day two play. Sometimes you get these day two plays
where the day one backside is not as clean, but the next few days
are cleaner. But um just that speed up and ATR extension on the
daily followed with like the nuances and the intraday pattern. Um it
it happens on large caps, small caps, crypto, anything because I
think think think it has to do with uh you know human emotion you
know like it's an actual inefficiency where a stock could be
stretched stretched out like a rubber band essentially and it has to
snap back eventually and you could just wait for that intraday
alignment and uh there's good intraday trades that you
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could take from that you know so it happens everywhere long,
short, small caps, large caps large caps large caps on the overall
market. When you have that big of a catalyst with the Trump tariffs
in play and that speed up on the daily, like we have that consistent
downtrend and then we start to puke out multiple days in a row
without a pullback. pullback. pullback. Uh that sets you up for such
a good trade. And then also, we did have intraday news here. Um, I
guess that was like the tariff pause that we had that was sort of
leaked. It turned out not to be true, but that's what this move
here was. But honestly,
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this move here was just enough for such a big intraday trade
where I wanted to size up on. Um, so yeah, I mean I did get a little
bit lucky on that breaking news there. But, uh, even not counting
that, like this move in itself was one of the biggest trades that
I've taken because of all the nuances we kind of discussed.
Yeah, it's beautiful. Do you want to stop sharing now and
we'll just we'll just close it off. Sure. Sure. Sure.
Yeah. I just want to quickly talk to you a little bit about So did
you you talk you took obviously some of the Trump trades. I I made
um I paid for I
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paid for about I'm getting married next week and I paid
for about 35% of me wedding thanks to the Trump's tariffs. But
I just I just thought I felt I felt a little bit sick how expensive
me wedding was and I like I'm going to I'm going to throw
some money cuz like but if you talk us through your mindset with the
tariffs cuz for mine it was like the market completely panicked. the
entire market completely panicked over the Trump tariffs. The tech
sector the tech sector led with the decline because of the most
volatile stocks like um like Nvidia and your Tesla and like the
Magnificent 7. And I just thought this is my
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philosophy. I'm don't make anywhere near the money
you made. But my thought was this is no reaction. As soon as the
deals are in place, it's going to come back. And Trump always
threatens something bigger to to ne is a tactic to negotiate a
better deal. and he wrote it in his book. So surely so surely this
is all going to get resolved and this is a huge overreaction. So I
threw I threw all of the money I had for me wedding all of the money
I had to pay for me wedding I threw into the into the sp no into the
a selection of the top magnificent seven stocks and it paid for 30
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40% of me wedding but what was your and then I've
I've still got some in but I sold most on the on the bounce but
what was uh what was your thoughts on that? I mean, same exact
thoughts. Um, exactly what you described, like Trump always tries to
get some negotiating power by being super extreme and then coming to
the middle. If you study the 2018 market, it was very similar as
well. And uh, tariffs are something that is very elastic in the
sense that tomorrow could be 20%, 100%, it could be zero. These are
all just negotiations. And it's short-term panic. Whenever you
see panic in the market, I want to be fading that.
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Whether that's in large caps, small caps, any extremes,
those are good trades. And when you get that in the overall market,
it's particularly special because the intraday is going to just
be so much tighter and the probabilities are also better as well
because you have so many market participants involved in that sort
of idea. idea. idea. Yeah. And it's it's the same with uh
Warsel at the time as well. Wars create panic that create
volatility. But then if you look at uh any of the wars going on now,
the market's only at all time highs and there's about five
wars going on all all at the same time. So like it's
interesting. Yeah. But do
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you have any final advice? Any golden nuggets? Any pieces of
uh final thoughts before we close out? Yeah. Uh some things that I
actually do want to talk about a little bit. um just like advice for
newer traders. Some things that I would want to hear if you're
like sort of developing and wanting to trade on your own. I think
some of the biggest things in your development is working with uh
like-minded people, building out a team and a pod. That's uh
what we call it at SMB. just uh you know making a group chat of
like-minded traders and sharing executions, executions, executions,
prepping ideas and talking through some things is one of the most
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important skills in my development. Like if it wasn't
for wasn't for wasn't for uh my pod and you know pushing
ourselves every day and being on voice chat and just talking through
ideas, you won't have uh such big ideas like that. So, I think
that's really important as well. Um, something that we
didn't talk about before, but um, yeah, edge is extremely
important, specifically not your psychology, and it's mostly
your playbook. You'll have better psychology with a good
playbook. Uh, being very specific with the nuances in that playbook,
and then working on that with the team is just super valuable.
That's the best advice that I could give to any trader trying
to develop. I
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think it's uh it's it's as well what I
didn't realize is that a lot of the best traders that I know
all know each other. It's like it's like a club. All of
the top traders cuz uh go to different events and I do different
interviews with different people as well. So I interview a lot of
these guys. One thing I realized is they're all in group chats
together. They're all in group chats. They're all in
different chats. They all know each other from different places. And
I'm like it's like holy All you guys even with different
rooms who teach each other, they all know each other. And many of
them sit on the phone
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all day talking ideas through with people. Exactly what you
just said. So this is like if there ever was a secret to success,
it's it's this. It's that you're like you need
you need to be in a group with other talented traders who want as
much as you. as you. as you. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thank you so much for your time. It's
been invaluable. Fantastic interview. Really looking forward for
people to seeing this. Yeah. Thank you. I really appreciate it.
Thank you for the time and uh hope you take care. [Music]
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You've got a completely different approach to like 99%
of traders that trade the market. So this is a complete strategy
that I believe it has a good chance to beat the market. That is a
higher level of thinking. >> But yeah, that that is my
strategy. I position myself in such a way that Welcome to
Undiscovered Traders, the only podcast that interviews 100% verified
and transparent traders. Today is special. Why is it special?
It's special because I've interviewed hundreds of traders.
And Frank, you're the only one that I've seen who
consistently beats the market through the highs and through the
lows. So, I'm just going to go straight into it. Frank, how was
your path
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to making $800,000? $800,000? $800,000? >> It's
been a journey. Uh, a very long one, too. Uh, I think I'm
probably your oldest interviewee ever and possibly also the one with
the longest trading experience. experience. experience. I started
trading all the way back in 1997. Well, I grew up in a different
country. Hey guys, super quick start. 86% of you guys if you check
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more transparency to the industry with 100% verified traders.
If you like and subscribe, it's going to help us grow so we can
continue on that mission. >> And I came to the US to do my
PhD. Uh that's why I remember exactly that was 97 because I
just got my PhD. Uh believe it or not, I got into trading through
playing video games. Uh I was quite an avid game player. I like well
I don't play any other games except strategy games. I enjoyed
the challenge of figuring out the best strategy with the given set
of rules set forth by the game and try to figure out a way to beat
the game. I was
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playing this obscure game kind of. It's called a war
inc. Basically, you are a mercenary company. Try to fulfill military
contracts. It has a crude stock simulation in the game. So, I found
out if I can just avoid all the losses in the stock market. You
know, if it went bad, I just I save before the next day happens and
if it went bad, I just reload the and >> then, you know, avoid
that loss. And I found out how quickly you can grow your money if
you can just avoid the losses. I I I >> I'll just tell
you an interesting thing, Frank. Um Frank. Um Frank. Um I would the
How old are
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you, Frank? Can I just ask? >> Uh right now. >>
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> 57. >> 57.
>> 57. >> You're not too old. You're not too
old. But it's what I wanted to say is that there's not a
lot of the young 18, 19, 20 year old traders are avid avid gamers
who are now millionaires. So, it's interest to see the same
trend 20 30 years ago. Um, you you were an avid strategy gamer and
it's it's the same pattern of gamers become good traders
which is interesting. But I just wanted to touch on quickly you were
in the pump and dump era. Can can you spend like one one one or
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two minutes on telling us about your pump and dump history
and and then also I know because we were speaking earlier you you
you lost it all. So tell me about your pump and dump history and how
you lost it all. >> Uh there was a lot of back in 97 there was
a lot of pump and dump going on and every day some obscure stock
would just grow exponentially and then maybe midday of that day it
will come crashing back down. I remember there was a group called
Tokyo Joe. Uh back then there was only emails and whoever's in
charge I guess email everybody on the list uh what stock
they're going to buy
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and then everybody rushing to buy some small market cap
stock. I didn't want to be part of that group of course because
I kind of think that's illegal. Um and uh you know also the the
the growth phase vary varies greatly by the length you know it could
be 15 minute could be two hours could be three hours by the time I
discover what stock look like a pump down it probably take me 20 at
least 20 minutes after it has happened so I don't think I have
the ability to catch the upside I decided to to short uh because
every one of those will eventually come back down to earth. Uh I
started with
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a small amount of money, had some initial success but
didn't realize the risk involved. There was this one day
fateful day like I shorted with 70 75% of my money. Leaving the
stock has reached its peak but the problem has kept growing. It it
kept growing way longer than I thought it would. And of course my
broker have all this automatic system in place. They will
automatically clear your position when your account reach zero. So
yeah exactly at the peak of that day my broker cleared my position
my short position and I was broke. Blew up my entire account. That
was my first expensive very very expensive lesson for risk control
and all these kind
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of schemes that you try to take advantage I think the best
lesson is not to be part of any of those schemes too. schemes too.
schemes too. >> Yeah. But I think looking back I remember just
to give a bit of context I mean in that time period it was just
before I started trading about 10 years ago and and before people
used to put mailers through the door and then then it before they
put DVDs and envelopes through people's doors to get people to
buy the stocks. After that it transitioned onto emails when emails
become more popular. Uh some some awesome penny stocks was one of
the ones of my generation sent blast emails
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everyone would buy. They send more and more emails. the stock
would would go up exactly in a smooth line like this pattern and
then out of nowhere it would crash and and and you were short in
that that crash. So basically you made the same mistake that
everyone makes of being too greedy thinking that you could catch it
early and then it went higher than you think and and you lost it
all. >> Yeah, that's what happened. >> And can I
just look a little bit into your background because can you tell me
a bit about your background because you're you're into
science. I've I've never had a scientist who's a
trader. So how does
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science help you in trading? >> So yeah uh I got my PhD
in biotechnology and uh with it comes with a lot of practices of
statistics uh and also the way of thinking uh how you don't
believe anything until it's proven by logic and science. Uh
that's why I eventually became a quant rather than uh like a
technical analysis trader. Um because majority of the technical
analysis uh things don't really have like a strong scientific
ground to support it. Like you know if if if they tell you this
pattern this pattern this pattern will result in what kind of stock
pricing reaction? I would ask the question you know do you have the
the statistics
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to to support it? Do I mean first of all how do you
mathematically define that pattern? If you tell me this is cup and
handle double peak support first of all you need to be able to
mathematically mathematically mathematically define that pattern and
secondly you have to have statistical data to support like what
percentage with what kind of standard deviation of that pattern. So
you know how the stock price is going to move. But most technical
analysis don't have that kind of you know data to back it up
back it up. So that's why I don't believe like at least
95% of the technical analysis I don't believe in. Um but I
believe in statistics.
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I I'm a so that's why I'm a quant and I trade
right now I trade based all based on statistical analysis.
statistical analysis. statistical analysis. That's that's
crazy to me because you've got a completely different approach
to like 99% of traders that trade the market that I know that I
know. >> But I mean would you would what do you for you do
charts even matter when trading? trading? trading? >> Uh well
charts do do matter uh is but not in the way most people do. uh I
have my own way of looking at the charts uh and draw conclusions
what I believe I can draw but not the kind everybody else is drawing
I
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believe >> I think I think that's so fascinating
and I I want to get into a little bit of your kin for your journey
the way that you're training we'll get into it uh but just
just quickly I just wanted to ask you like you've had a crazy
long career 20 plus years training were you ever like nearly wiped
out was it nearly all over. Uh and and how did you recover? >>
Yeah, I was I should say I was wiped out like one and a half times
uh actually I'll tell you about the halftime too, but the first
time is just like I mentioned uh when I try to take advantage of the
pump
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and dump. So back then I in 97 I started with $3,000 all of
my savings. Uh grew it to like 5,000ish 5,000ish 5,000ish and became
overly confident and telling my wife, "Hey honey, I can I think
I can make money doing this." And just like everything else I
promised my wife, she would just say, "Okay." And um then
I borrowed from credit cards like with 20% interest. That's all
I could borrow. Like I borrowed $20,000. I had 5,000. So that was
25,000. That's when I did the pump and dump. I mean before the
pump down, I actually I believe I grew the 25 to 30. And that pump
and dump thing blew up all that
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entire 30k. Yes, that's expensive. Let's Yes. Yes.
Yes. >> I mean back then as well that 30K is worth 100K with
inflation. My salary I was doing my posttock my annual salary was
30k I have to my wife is not working we just had a newborn son and
he was just a little bit over a year old my wife was you know
full-time at home taking care of the baby so that was all my one
year income >> god and and tell me about the time where you
nearly blew up or you didn't blow up >> so that that is
the one I did blow up but then after that my wife basically told me
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after I told the news to my wife about the 30 blew up. My
wife did the most amazing thing. I think you know most people
wouldn't react like her but she basically said okay we're
going to work this out all together. We'll I'll go find a
job. We'll pay off the debt and I'm telling you that one
day you're going to go back to the market and make it all back
and even more. And that's what she said and I still um remember
that to this day. Uh but anyway uh so I was in a small town Syracuse
doing my posttock and she couldn't find any good job so she
went all by herself to
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Atlanta Georgia to find a decent job and I would stay home
and take care of the baby and try to pay off the credit card back.
So until it was until 1999 we were able to pay off all the credit
card back credit card debt with that 20% interest and I was able to
accumulate few thousand uh well actually I think uh about 10k again
and uh I was still doing kind of stupid things uh well I had better
risk control but still not enough actually and I still was trying to
out guess the market outsmart the market there was this one
particular trade. The market behaved exactly opposite of what I
believed it would
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do. I mean the stock I forgot which direction it is. Um the
stock basically went the opposite direction and I putting a
substantial amount of that 10k into that trade. I I kind of oh my
gosh I'm down for this. I I can't do this. Um I was using
online company called day back then. Uh day eventually was bought by
a trade. Met trade eventually merged with TD Waterhouse and then now
they got bought by Charles Schwab. But anyway, uh they tech actually
contacted me a few days after that trade and told me sorry we
executed a trade exactly the opposite of your your in your your
order. I was like how is that even
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possible? I mean I thought everything is automatic. Yeah,
that that was amazing thing. Most amazing thing ever happened. I
don't think it even actually ever happened anymore. So, so you
were meant to blow up. up. up. >> I didn't lose it, but I
and made a substantial gain, but it that was a huge blessing because
not only I learned a huge lesson from it, but I didn't suffer a
loss with that lesson. >> But but just to get this right, you
were meant to blow up your account a second time. time. time.
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And the broker
messed up >> and you made money because of the broker mistake.
mistake.
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mistake. >> I know. I don't know how that would
even possibly possibly possibly happening. So yeah, I don't
know. I mean, back then, I guess there's still manual process
of that trade or something. Not everything was automatic perhaps. I
don't know. C >> can I just ask how many years did it
take you to learn risk management because it seems like you were
many years in the game to just get risk under control. How many
years was it? >> Well, that will be two year plus. uh because
after that experience, the almost grew up experience, I realized I I
couldn't do it the same way anymore. I came to the conclusion
uh that basically there's
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no way I can predict the future. I don't have the
ability to tell how the market I mean how a particular stock is
going to change in the future. I mean you can do all the analysis
they tell you how to do it but I think the chance is just 50/50
which way the market the stock is going to go afterwards. So once I
made that decision and follow it strictly the whole world just opens
up to me that I just look I approach the market totally differently.
I I try to think about things totally different with the constant
telling of myself no you cannot predict the future. So figure out
something else. Uh it's
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it's incred it's it's an incredible it's
incredible lesson. And can we just I think everyone by this point is
dying to uh to have a look at your profit chart understand this
strategy that uh that you've been having unbelievable results
with. We we spoke a couple of weeks ago and we spoke again and in
that time you've made 50k. So So So >> well the market
has been very well >> very cooperative. Uh, okay. Let me take
a look uh my current Kingfo chart. >> And by the way,
it's it's absolutely fantastic to uh to have you on Kimfo
as well. So So talk me through the the initial spike. Is that back
in April,
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May? And then talk me through uh from July onwards. So this
is from about 2023. So in the last two years, you've nearly
made a million dollars. >> Yes. Um >> that's
incredible. So before this I I think I was not trading in this
particular account. Uh there was some minor activity. Uh but in a
different account I believe uh but the main thing is uh I was taking
care of my mom back then 24/7. then 24/7. then 24/7. Um before this
um my mom was seriously ill and the day helper only could help for 8
hours and for the rest of the 16 hours it's my uh duty to to to
take care of
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my mom. So so I couldn't trade really that part uh very
depressed too. Uh this is a part I got into the market again
contributed this part mostly to luck actually actually actually um I
was doing a very stressful strategy uh require me uh constant
alertness constantly watching the market every minute and still I
believe it's it's mostly due to luck I I I made good games
on this part >> what was the strategy can you give any
indication of what you were trying to do and how was it options
equities. >> Um yeah, this is when I initially got into
options actually. But this period also allowed me to learn a lot of
lot
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of things with option trading. I've always wanted to get
into option trading. Before this is all equity I had a long 20 plus
years of equity trading, but this is when I initially got into
option trading and had beginner's luck. But I had to do some
overall analysis of all my trades and I came to the conclusion here
this part is mostly due to luck. Actually the market just cooperated
with my strategy. And uh this period I was trying to develop
different strategies. I had I can have more confidence in that you
know I can be sure this is due to my system rather than the market.
I believe because when I'm doing testing I
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was using a different account to do the testing. this so this
account became mostly inactive mostly inactive mostly inactive uh
during this period so it's a it's a fairly long period of
testing looking at all sorts of strategies I believe the official
date was May 13th last year uh my account moved to Charles Schwab
but that's also when I officially started this account to do
full amount uh investment based on my uh system or strategy whatever
the amount it calls for to invest so this is a complete strategy
that I believe it has a good chance to beat the market. So my focus
wasn't actually just to make money but kind of peg myself
against
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the market and hopefully most of the time I can track the
market but when opportunity arise I can beat the market overall. I
mean, the chances of beating the market only happens like a number
of times, half a dozen times at most a year. But those opportunities
accumulate and compound, which allow me to to to be able to beat the
market fairly reasonably with a fairly reasonable amount every year.
So, uh, Kingfo only tracks the trades where I think when the
position is cleared, but myself also track the value of my positions
over time. So that would be a a different chart. Let me also share
that one actually. actually. actually. >> Yeah. I mean
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if you ask what separates a a a millionaire trader or
upcoming millionaire trader from a losing trader. One thing that I
noticed with you is that you made $400,000 and then and then you
said actually I don't like that strategy. Like you made 400 300
$400,000 and said I'm not sure about that strategy that just
made us $300 400,000. When I really think about the numbers, I
don't know if that makes sense. Nobody does that. Most people
make half a million and then get too excited, put even more in and
blow up. So, So, So, how how did you do it different? >> I
guess that might come from two parts of me. Uh, one
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is my scientific background. So, once I done enough trades, I
I go back to do statistical analysis and decide whether it's
due to my luck or due to my actual system. The second one being my
long experience in trading. Uh I've been through everything for
that 20 plus years and I had various periods of a strategy working
very well for several months and then all just go back to losing
everything and uh wipe out all the games that made in that several
months. So I had enough experience of those. I'm very aware of
that that several months of init of success does not equate to that
strategy uh working permanently. So yeah I did that
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analysis and decided like I don't have vague decisions I
once I make a decision I follow it strictly. So I made a decision it
was due to luck. So I decided to develop other strategies >>
like front you might not realize this because it's the way you
think but that that is a higher level of thinking. That is a higher
level of thinking than most people think. Just just for you for you
to know that. I mean, most people would get carried away with the
emotions and and and lose. But let's I'm I'm curious
to understand your strategy. So, if we can um go into kind of the
nuts and bolts of of how you
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trade. I see a bunch of options here on on uh call options.
>> Yes. Um so, yeah, I mostly just do call options. uh
that's also based on my mathematical modeling and based you
know which also the strategy that's or system that's de
developed after that currently the market have option models
basically for everything uh it's the same kind of model for
every underlying asset I believe there are differences of the
modeling based on what the underlying asset is so that's what I
try to do I develop different models because of the underlying asset
is different And I of course find certain opportunities when when
the model tells me the actual price is better than
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what the market is selling it for. So I buy options um based
on that. This is my own chart tracking not just trades but my
positions too since May 13th last year. Uh the blue line is my
performance. The green line is NASDAQ and orange one being S&P
500. >> Wow. So the main the biggest feature of my performance
compared to the market is when the biggest draw down happens I lose
less than the market. I mean if you look at this big draw down here
my blue line lost a whole lot less than the market and if you look
at this this draw down especially this peak if you look at this
downturn here
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my downturn is so much smaller. I also have better games um
when the market rallied. So like this one the market rallied this
much but my rally is is bigger. I mean other parts I just track the
market. So this part when the market rallied I kind of just tracked
the market and this part when the market rallied actually for this
peak I I gained much better than than this rally but overall this
entire I mean like the earlier part of the rally I kind of just
track the market and this part too uh you know for the smaller
downturns sometimes I suffer more but yeah that that is my strategy.
I pos I position
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myself in such a way that when big draw downs happen I I lose
less and and when big rally happens I I gain more and the rest kind
of most of the time just be able to track the market. It all comes
from how I position my options at various times. I I keep constantly
adjusting my uh delta, theta and gamma exposure all the time. I
don't know when is the optimal time to adjust them. I just
adjust them based on certain criteria and once in a while when I hit
the jacket like once in a while I just positioned all those
positions right at the right timing and then I can you know
outperform
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the market while other times when I just constantly adjust
them it it just kind of tracks the market not losing pretty much not
losing to the market. So that's that's how over time I
I'll perform uh the market >> but just just to go back to
complete basics. So if we go right back to the start on a basic
level, you're always trading call options. Is that correct?
>> Uh not necessary. I I I do mix in some some put options
here and there. Uh but based on my model, put options are not very
uh profitable. uh while the call options have a much better chance
uh but still there are v various times I
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have put options in there and they uh over the history my put
options also made money but they don't make as much as a call
call call >> so you trade call options you trading call
options on is it against the overall market indexes >> uh no
they're pretty much with the market index um but the key part
for me is I have to constantly adjust just the my positions to the
optimal delta, gamma and theta to minimize the risk and maximize the
reward. So at various times depending on the market I bought
somewhat in the a price somewhat out of the price or right at the
price or sometimes even deep in the in
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the market. It all depends on the um different timing of the
market because option is time sensitive and the market has time
sensitive behaviors like when it falls it falls quickly but when it
grows it grows gradually and those can be all sort of put into my
options model. model. model. >> Yeah. So it's a it's
a it's predominantly call option strategy following the market
but you you're and it's trading the indexes going with the
indexes but you're doing something with the delta gamma theta
that gives you an edge. uh is there any kind of detail that you can
give or how you figured it out or out or out or how you discovered
the
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edge or how you've defined an edge that allows you to
beat the market including the phase of the options. Uh that gets
into the modeling which is of course like require a lot of calculus
and and this this is when my scientific background came into play.
Uh um I was always good with physics and analyzing market actually
requires physics skills actually not just mathematics but physics
skills. A lot of a good successful traders or something actually
came from a physics background. I believe if you know James
Simon's teams I think the two guys who made breakthroughs for
James Simons if I remember correctly they both came from some kind
of a physics background but yeah
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that will be like several days of of of talk to analyze all
those details uh of those mathematics and or it's a physics
kind of thinking but the the the actual process is all mathematics.
>> Yeah. You don't really require charts. It's all
in the numbers. >> Yeah, it's just all the numbers. You
you you crunch numbers. Um you collect all the data and then crunch
them. >> And then so I presume you've got some complex
mathematical equations that'll the delta, the theta, the gamma,
and you're just spotting where there is edge to put certain
money in one of the the options kind of pots. Yeah, that's uh
that may not be easily duplicated by
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our viewers here, but I I guess the way of thinking still
matters how how you approach things, how you use your strengths to
de develop your own system. >> Yeah. So, so let's do
that. Let's close on first of all, I think it's absolutely
fantastic what you're doing, but let's just close on
something for the viewers, I guess. So any advice or to help a quant
trader get started? How a quant trader can develop an edge? Just
something to pass on to someone who might be inspired and want to
follow in your footsteps. Um for one the first step uh the most
important part I think is to you cannot be emot emotionally affected
by
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the market or emotionally involved with the market. Uh
emotion is a very advanced feature of intelligent life forms. I
believe I guess it gives us the edge in other parts of life but in
trading they are always bad. I mean, if you I'm quite keen on
on uh how human emotions and how they affect uh people's
decisions in in stock trading. I did my analysis and found out all
normal human reactions, emotional reactions to the stock market. Uh
price movements are all bad for trading. They they almost like
always are opposite make you make the opposite decisions of in terms
of what you should do. I remember I still remember it the day I
suffered
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my greatest single day loss that was several years ago. I
remember it was 82k I sorry uh yeah 82k I I suffered in a single day
and at the dinner table it we were talking chatting about various
things of our daily life and my wife of course popped the question
hey how was uh trading today I said oh by the way yeah I had my
biggest single day loss I lost 82ks and she said okay and we went on
to discuss other things so that's that's already became
kind me like I almost ignore if something's good or bad.
They're just news to me. Uh it's just something happened.
I move on to do the next
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thing. If a average trader can also sort of not to be
emotionally impacted by the trading routes, that' be the first
step. Secondly, I you always have to have your own things. You
can't just just believe all the crabs they tell you uh from
whatever the public uh knowledge base. If you can do some simple
logical analysis, you know, there's no publicly known system or
strategy that make you make money. You have to kind of engineer
things together for yourself. So don't believe anything you
hear. Figure out what you believe yourself and put put together your
own system. That would be my point here, I guess. >> I think
that's a fantastic way to wrap
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up. Uh Frank, it's been a pleasure to interview you,
pleasure to talk to you. Incredible to hear this story. >> Um
my pleasure, too. I really appreciate this opportunity. this
opportunity. this opportunity. >> Thank you, Frank. And um um
and for anyone who wants to leave questions, leave leave questions
in the comment box and we'll put them to Frank and we'll
we'll we'll get some replies. Thank you. >> Thank
you, too. [Music]
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Today's breaking down nothing but the charts. charts.
charts. >> BY and D just the the the biggest boy of the month.
This was the spike I wanted, right? This was the spike that I told
myself to wait for because this is this is great getting short a
seven plus risking off eight. That's the spot. All you needed
is one more lower low in my opinion to then break these lows and
then now you get your confirmation. And so that's kind of what
happened where once we broke up, [music] I then added a little bit
more into that balance and then right, you know, seconds later, what
first caught my eye on iron was that it
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had this massive move from 10 to nearly 20. And then I
realized, oh, it's in the data center sector. That's a hot
sector. It's like, okay, I'm now up, you know, at least
10% of my position. It's already fading in after hours, kind of
um giving you glimpses of a possible gap down. That would be enough
for me to say, hey, giving me the green light, say, okay, let's
swing it. Welcome to 30 minutes of charts with Kyle Williams. Fresh
of a $600,000 month and 8.2 million in total profits. Kyle currently
sits fifth on our alltime leaderboard. And today he's breaking
down nothing but the charts. So join us as he walks us through his
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October 2025 trading performance. But first, uh, before we
start, Kale, last time I saw you was on the back of a bus in a fella
in Colombia. I think that story that that story needs a little bit
of context, but [laughter] not to say it's like, wow, people
are going to question how that happened. H, it was actually for a
charity initiative. But, uh, Kale, how are you? How's life?
How's trading? You have recently been married. We were both We
were both not married and we both >> Congratulations. >>
Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Congratul
>> Congratul >> Congratul in Colombia. Um, yeah.
Congrats. That was cool. Yeah. When when uh Mine was in May. When
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was yours? It was a little bit later than that, right?
>> Mine was in June. Yeah. >> June. Okay. Everything
went well. >> Yeah. One of the best days of your life. Yeah.
It was a fantastic day. We got very excited. The rain came just
after. And And for you? >> Yes. Um, everything was good. Same.
The the wedding day was amazing. Uh, the resort was awesome. And,
uh, yeah, arguably best day of my life. It was great. So, um, but
then other than that, um, yeah, trading's been good. Um, yeah,
October coming in at a at a my second best month. Um, didn't
really have any expect I mean, I kind of always I
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don't really ever have hard expectations, but as the
month was was progressing, it just kind of day trading wise and
opportunity swing trading wise were just so good that uh, you know,
one win and one streak kind of piled on top of another. And, you
know, now I'm sitting at, you know, arguably my second best
month if I don't, you know, we have one more day of October.
So, knock on wood, I don't find a way to screw it up, but uh um
yeah, really good. I'm I'm very happy with how it's
gone. So, gone. So, gone. So, >> that was fantastic. Like, so
we'll talk about the entire thing, but let's get straight
into
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the charts and let's make the first chart um your
Kinfall profit chart. So, let's have a quick look at how uh how
your overall trend's going and then let's just get
straight into the the recap of October. But yeah, this is my profit
curve. Um, going back to it's funny. This only goes by 2019,
but I mean really I didn't have much of a profit till then. Um,
some of my oldest accounts were there too that I I don't even
have anymore. But you can't even tell the the difference.
It's so funny when the chart grows all the little details that
I used to be a part of or see or feel, you know, you
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just can't even see anymore. Like my biggest loss at the
time, you can't even see it anymore. anymore. anymore. Um, so
it's funny how far how far we've come. uh you know coming
up on almost 10 years now since I first started. Um but yeah, here
it is going um I don't want to say parabolic, but it's
it's I've been speeding up as of the last couple months.
It's been it's been nice um because we have what two more
months left of the year technically and uh and I've already
technically passed my previous best year of 2021. So, it's
it's a good feeling. Uh, and lets me know I'm growing and
I think we can,
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you know, see that in the chart here in terms of just how
extended it's getting. Um, run some technical analysis on my
chair chart here. So, >> I mean, and and just and just
thinking about that, is there anything that you kind of you
attribute this this recent parabolic turn? I mean, obviously
compounding, you're getting better, but is there anything about
the market this year that or the market this month or this year that
that's really helped? Uh I think I think getting into swing
trading made a big difference for sure. I mean just from a just
using a hindsight bias of like adding up the profits that I have
made from swing trading since
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implementing it and then thinking about the fact had I just
not done that like if I just said you know what in other universe I
don't swing trade at all. I just keep day trading um would
still be good but like arguably pushing seven figures of swing
trading profits since May. Uh I don't think I'm entirely I
think I'm like right at the cusp of like 900 and change
somewhere. But it's like you just kind of put that in
perspective of like if I didn't swing trade, if I didn't
start swinging trading, um I'd be, you know, $900,000 and
change less money in my pocket, right? Um and so I'd still be
doing a very
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I still be having a very good year, but it's like, you
know, I'm at if I'm at 8.2 can call it, you know, 7.3, you
know what I mean? Like it's it would be a big cut out of this
recent kind of move uh in the equity curve. So that's been a
big help. Um but in general also just like sizing up. I I have been
pushing size uh and and and slowly, you know, going to new emotional
um levels of acceptance with losing, you know, beforehand it was
like, you know, 10 years ago it was like I lost 20 bucks a day. It
was it was the worst thing ever. Now we'll go over
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charts where I lost 20 grand and I feel slightly irritated,
but I don't lose any sleep at night and I move on within a
couple hours of reviewing the trade. Right? It's like the the
scale at which I want to get and will continue to grow I think will
ideally if I stay profitable right and have still continue my edge
like it's only going to increasingly you know those numbers are
only going to expand. So um it yeah >> it's incredible
and and how did that um how did that evolution into swing trade and
how did it come? >> Um so it came from when I well it there
were like seeds along the way.
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So, the first real seed was when I had my new biggest profit
of November last year, 2024. So, almost a year, a year coming up
now. Um, where I made it wasn't all one trade. It was the same
trade but in multiple different accounts. Um, but all in all, all
the trades added up to like 600 grand plus in profits from MSTR uh
that I went long in it. Um, and it was such a such a vastly bigger
profit than I've ever seen before. Like I think the biggest
profit I had prior to that was like 200 grand. So, I just 3xed my
biggest profit um giving me my my biggest month ever. And when
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I was reviewing my year, I was like, how do I replicate this,
right? I understand I don't have to I'm not going to
replicate 600k gains like on a weekly or monthly basis, right? But
if I can just pull pieces out of what I did right, in this trade and
try to implement it further in any strategy or risk management that
I have, like where can I, you know, where can we grow this? Um, and
ultimately what it came to when I really broke it down and looked at
it, I was like, well, I I was swinging trading like I I held this
thing for 2 months, you know, almost 3 months. Um, I think
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like a month and a half. It was quicker than I thought it
happened, but like I let the market or the stock work for me. It
wasn't me trying to day trade every single day. It's like
I literally just let this runner ride, you know, 100 200% in my
favor. Um, and when you have a lot of money on the line or in the
stock, it's like that really, you know, exponentially grows as
the stock, so does the stock. Um, and I try to like, well, it's
like, well, can't I just be bigger on like some short sells I
take or like on some day trades I take? And yes, of course I can.
Um,
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but not not at the risk tolerance I'm at, not at the
willingness to, you know, push shies I'm at. I mean, maybe in a
few more years I can get to that level, but like where I stood
currently to start 2025, I was like, I am nowhere near the day
trading level or risk capacity to pull out what I just pulled out
from a swing trade. Um, so that really made me think like I should
consider it. And then I kind of came across swing trading and
actually learning how it's done. And I looked back and I
reverse engineered it back to MSTR. I'm like, "Wow, I kind
of did I I did it before
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I knew how to do it, [clears throat] you know, cuz like if I
already in a hypothetical scenario, if I knew how to swing trade um
and I saw MSTR, I would have bought it as a swing trade and it would
have made me good money." So, it's like I I kind of, you
know, the apple or the the egg became for the chicken, right, in
terms of or not the apple, the egg became for the chicken in terms
of me like nailing a swing trade and then realizing, oh, this is
what I should be doing and this is how to actually do it. Um, and so
that that was the big motivator to to
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do that and to get that started. So, it's just really
interesting how that worked out. And then obviously before we get
into your charts now, I'll let you bring up the first one. I
just want to pay credit. So, if this series does well, if it takes
off, we want to give the credit to you. And that's why we
wanted to have you as the first person on because Kyle has been
giving back and reviewing charts on YouTube for as long as I
remember. Seven must be seven, eight years. So, it only felt right
to to do this with you first, this new series. >> Perfect.
Yeah. Happy to be here. So, >> all right.
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It's all I'll dive into a few of my maybe favorite
and least favorite trades um of the month. Um the first one I wanted
to mention um was Tesla um in the this was earlier in the month is
actually in the form of TSLL. Um so we'll look at Tesla's
chart, but TSL was the actual vehicle I chose. Um, and I think a lot
of people who swing trade are are or were watching this chart. Um,
because it was one of those things where all of really, you know,
July, August, and then beginning of September, I Tesla would kind of
break out over previous highs and then just die, but then make a
higher higher
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low and then try it again and then just die. And so every
single time I gave this a try, and I think we talked about this in
in uh in August recap and the September recap, but eventually I I
kept having conviction like one of these new highs is not going to
be a fake out. Like it's going to go eventually. Um and so
that's when it finally did. So I bought this on um September
11th here when it finally kind of broke out. Well, actually, I
shouldn't say that. I think I added to it. I remember buying
one of these wicks. I actually bought like the top of one of these
days. I I
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thought it was going to be that breakout over this previous
high. Again, failed again. But the trend change was that instead of
pulling all the way back down to say maybe this trend line on the
higher lows. Um it held very well over these next like two or three
days. And so then finally it went I believe I added uh and then we
we were off to the races. And so in terms of TSL, I chose TSL
because it's a 2x leverage ETF of Tesla. So just double the
move. Um, and so pretty much from like the 14s or high 13s and then
I trimmed some I believe around either the 16s or the 19s
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here. Maybe a little both cuz then it gapped up. Uh, I think
Elon was buying shares. He had a file that he bought some shares and
then the matter of the rest of it just swinging or trimming it or
not trimming it, trailing it against the moving averages. So once we
closed below the 10 uh is when I stopped out. Um, now on this day on
the 25th of September, technically TSLL closed below the 10, but
again, I'm watching and following Tesla and Tesla um, held
above it, just barely, like a couple pennies if not closed like
right at it. So, I I stuck with it. Uh, but it didn't close
below the 10 until
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October 3rd, um, right here. So, that's when I finally
sold the rest of my TSL. Uh, locked in like 70K or so in profit
there. So, that was a good start to October, you know, from
September's work, let's call it, um, to lock that in. So,
that was the first one that was nice from a swing trading
perspective. Um, I actually stopped out today on it. Um, I
don't know what too many do, but I longed it again, but then
stopped out today because now it's it's just dead.
It's not really not dead, but it's just not as strong as
it it once was. Um, so that'll be a future play. Maybe it tries
again
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in the future. But that's the first swing trade.
>> Sorry. Can I just ask you one question? Can I ask you one
question that I think a lot of people are going to want the answer
to from a guy who's made a million like Tesla down in the area
that it was? I can understand that you can you can see the upside,
you can see it's trying to break out. But at a time like this
where there's there's kind of a lot of fear about the
markets and is AI propping everything up and how isn't Spy
making new highs and is the middle class hating but the but the
market's being propped up by these
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AIs? I mean, what is do you have any thoughts on the overall
markets? Because as a swing trader, you really must be watching for
an incoming crush. crush. crush. Yeah, I I watch the cues closely.
Um I'm not I'm not particularly worried about that idea.
Like I I get it looms. Like I I I've the more I've swed,
the more I've learned the saying like that the indexes just
follow the wall of worry. You know, it's like we go higher, but
every day we go higher. There's always some kind of thing to
worry about, right? like when does it end or what if this bad news
comes out? And so maybe maybe we're due for
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for a bigger recession or pullback period. But until then,
then, then, I would hate put it this way. I would much rather put on
risk trades and stop out in the name of a recession or a pullback
happening than trying to anticipate that recession or pullback and
then it not happen for six more months a year later. and I never
bought those swing trades or those trades leading to it. So, you
know, if the NASDAQ goes another 50% higher over three years and
then finally the AI bubble pops or then finally, you know, something
happens, you know, of course the people who are screaming bubble at
the top of their lungs will be like, "Yeah,
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I'm finally right." But a saying I like a saying
that I I recently learned I really like is like bears sound smart,
bulls make money, right? Um, now you don't want to be just a
blind bull and just don't have a stop- losses. still take the
trades with risk management, but you know, trying to guess when that
party is over, I think is a activity that won't really make you
money. And if you're actually take and if you're putting
your money where your mouth is and shorting it, you're probably
losing money until you're finally right. And who knows when
that is versus just not stop fighting the trend and and joining the
trend being on
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the long side with risk management so you don't get
caught off guard if it does end, right? That party ends and then
just, you know, take the trades when you see them. Um because I know
what you mean. I definitely am worried of like is this over? Is the
party over? Like when we pulled back any one of these pullbacks
I'm like, you know, it's been fun. Um but we just, you
know, we keep finding bases and we keep making new highs and keep
going forward. So, um you got to just ride with it as it comes.
Bye-bye. comes. Bye-bye. comes. Bye-bye. Um so yeah, that was the
first swing trade. The first day trade
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I wanted to go over because this is one of my more favorite
ones because I'm really happy with how I traded this. I
don't think I could have traded this any better uh in terms of
just having the right idea around it. Um Buru here, one of the
crappier, you know, there's there's a bunch of crappy
small cap stocks, but when we look at like when you see a daily
chart like this where it is just constantly bleeding, there's
never a period of uptrending anywhere here. Um every spike, every
gap is just, you know, gets obliterated. Um and so starting October,
we had a really good run. we go from, you know, 13 cents all
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the way as high as 84. Um, now a lot of the or a type of red
day that I always share or talk about sometimes is like it's
not a red day, but it's going to be a green candle or it's
going to be a red candle, but a green day as like a sign of a
potential top. And so that's kind of what I saw coming in on
this day where we ran from, you know, a kind of a blowoff a green
candle from 30 cents to 50 cents and then we gab up another, you
know, 20 cents a share. we pretty much double this candle's
range just in a gap up, right? Or
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or do it again. We don't double it, but we literally
just do it all over again, just the gap up price. And so, knowing
how crappy the tickers, knowing how dilutive they are, and um you
know, how pretty much set up for failure they eventually are when
the run stops, um I was bearish kind of going into uh today. And so,
I show you the intraday chart. Um this is one here. Let's open
this up. How do I open in browser? There we go. Um, and so this was
the intraday. So I actually got short right out the open thinking it
was just going to crap itself. Um, that was wrong. So I immediately
cut
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it uh for a small loss. Actually cut half then uh cut the
rest over 76ish. I think that was pre-market highs. I should have
screenshotted. Maybe we go back into it. Can I go back far enough to
see what level it was? There was some extra level I wanted to risk.
Uh, and so I eventually just ended up cutting it. Oh, pull that out.
No. Come on. Keep loading for me. We're still going. Come on.
Come on. Come on. So, what what day was this? >> This was uh I
don't want to go to the daily chart now, but this was October
what looks like 8th. October 8th into the 9th. Yeah. Here we go.
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Yeah. pre-market highs here was like 77 76ish and so I cut
the rest going up into that level and then parabolics or not
parabolics but really strong spike into 85 and at this moment
I'm thinking okay the next possible level that I could remotely
think of failing would be like a dollar right so there was a world
where if this went into the 90s I might just take a small stab
risking a buck thinking it fails around that area uh and then it
just fails out of nowhere right just immediately down I'm like
okay it might not actually get even get to a dollar Um, and so then
I thought like if we can't go
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over that high, it's like I'm lowering and and
downgrading my expectations of like this if this can't even get
to a buck, you know, yeah, I was early out the open, but if it
can't get then get can't even get over these highs, you
know, again, we're up from 10 cents like a week ago. Um, and so
I I just envision like this is going to roll over. Uh, and so
that's exactly what happened, right? we kind of put in these
higher highs and then eventually we make that new that first lower
low and then it starts collapsing. Um so if we go into that that
actual trades of them, right? Um you know I
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started to re-shorting a little bit like when I when I
mentioned I you know this can't even get to a buck and if it
doesn't get to a buck then it's not going to get over
these highs and if the highs are in that's kind of when I take
these first two candles here thinking like let's let's uh
let's get short. Let's get a feeler in there. Uh and then
I shorted some more thinking a new lower low was coming. It needed
one more bounce and then finally it did a lower low. Uh and so then
I covered on the flush towards sub60. Um because I think red green
at the m at the time
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was what uh if we go one more day over, right? It was down
here at like what was it like 4550. So quite a big pullback to have
to where I I just didn't think it was going to pull all the way
back to that level. U because a lot of times when they gap up so
much and they sell off so much, it doesn't always go red. that
they actually might find support before it goes red and then bounce.
I did I did not want to get caught in a bounce. So that's why I
did cover all of it here um you know into this pull. But then when I
thought was thinking like
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if it can bounce I want to reshort for it to go overnight
especially if it can close weak and then have still you know fail
resistance at the highs. Uh and so I'm really happy with this
bounce because then it allowed me to reshort it. And I really like I
kind of wish in hindsight I added at more towards 75 cuz it
doesn't it doesn't shock me that the 75 bounce high here
um failed you know all of this was which once was support for you
know 15 20 minutes um it doesn't shock me that it failed right
at the lows like these highs were these lows um and so then it
rolled into the
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close and then I swung it overnight and then the next day if
we just drag it over here right we gap down right we open so we
closed what we closed at like 60 something and change 66 cent 68 8
cent 67 uh we open up down here at 55 so quite a big gap down and
then we flushed to 45 uh and I covered I think I covered the rest I
don't remember if I covered it all or I yeah here's my
trades to pull that up >> cover the rest of that night
>> because some people might be some people might be thinking
oh my god it's a stock under a dollar it's
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it's 70 cents it can go to $70 you know how people think
about micro about micro about micro >> caps. Is it too
dangerous to swing that? But is it is it like a momentum thing that
you just think and so many people are underwater it's not got
much chance of of of >> Yeah, I mean it it totally is a risk
like having that fear is is perfectly justified and honestly you
should have like if you don't then you're not aware of the
risks right um so it is good to think that the couple aspects or
keys where I get comfortable is if one I've already locked in
profits so like I've already have
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a cushion good that means worst case like or lower or not the
worst case but a worst case it gaps up, I take a big loss, but
I've locked in some. It cushions the blow. That's number
one. Um, two would be if it's already confirming price action
for me that now I'm not only do I have a cushion, but then I
also I'm already up on the position. So, being short like I
did, um, you know, the trades there from, you know, I reshorted with
like a probably a 69 average, 70 average or so, you know, being up
by the close at 64 cents and then fading in after hours, I believe,
by the end
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of 62 cents. It's like, okay, I'm now up, you know,
at least 10% of my position. It's already fading in after
hours, kind of um giving you glimpses of a possible gap down. That
would be enough for me to say, hey, I've gotten everything I
could possibly do to catch this gap down. Um giving me the green
light, say, "Okay, let's swing it." Um vice versa,
you can probably tell the flip opposite of that. It's like,
okay, I already am red on the ticker. It's not fading. I'm
actually down on my position. instead of instead of fading it after
hours, it's actually uptrending looking like it's going to
make higher highs. It's like that kind
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of gives me enough too much indication like, hey, this might
gap up and I need to be careful, right? The only thing you
can't control, which is true for both longs and shorts, is if
like news comes out that is good or positive and either crushes the
stock or spikes it up huge. You know, that's just the the the
the fat tail risk of swing or taking something overnight. Uh, no
matter who you are and it's up to you whether you want to take
that risk, right? I have, you know, more times than not are okay
with it. Um, but some people don't swing at all or take
anything overnight for that reason, and that's
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totally fine. Um, it's just when I get everything in my
in my um what's it called? When I get everything in my favor
like I did on Buru, it's it's hard for me not to take it
because it's almost like I'm willing to take the risk of
possibly taking a bad loss of a gaps up over the pain of missing a
gap down. Like I have I have, and maybe that's just my FOMO
speaking, but I have I have hated it too many times where like I
almost I'm I'm not certain, but I'm super convicted
it's going to gap down, but I don't want to take it
because of the risks, right? Or because I
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just don't want to take that risk overnight and then it
does gap down and it because it gapped down like Buru did here.
There's no way I would have reshorted this. You know what I
mean? Like knowing I should have had a 60some or 70 average and then
reshorting it at 53 like that that's my profit right there.
That's the difference. That's not the that's not my
new entry, you know? I'm covering here, not entering here. Um,
and that really tilts me like in terms of, you know, not money risk,
but like your emotional being risk. Like nothing tilts me more than
trying to get short on a gap down where I feel like I
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should have been profiting and not entering. Um, so any
rambling on, but that's kind of where my brain is at when I
think about these things. >> No, it makes makes complete
sense. Uh, it makes complete sense. And are you waking up a little
bit early the following day just just in case? Is that a six
o'clock wake up or >> That's true. Yeah. So I I I
will admit I won't wake up and stay up the whole time. But if I
wake up and in the first hour like everything seemed normal.
It's not just rocketing out of nowhere. It's actually
still by this time, you know, Buru was actually after the spike it
was
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still fading, right? And it's actually, you know,
confirming more of a gap down. Uh or sorry, it wasn't here. It
was here, right? So a small spike and then it's even fading
lower. Like at that point, you know, I'm I'll go back to
sleep. So yeah, it's like yeah, I'll check on it, but if
we are even more confirming, then then I will be willing to to sleep
through a little bit of this chop here. So >> make money in
your sleep. >> I try. We try. So um but yeah, so this was a
good first red day and you look at the daily chart, it's like
it just a was a beautiful gap down
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and washed further. Um locked in like 50k or so on that one.
And that's between both. That's between, you know, locking
in on this portion and then taking over right and then locking in
again. So, kind of two trades in one, but the same general thesis
and idea. Um, so 50k there. Um, the next one is also a swing. I
think it was my better swing of the month. Let me pull up Trading
View so you can see it there. Um, iron. So, iron is in the uh the
data center sector. And so, we kind of talk about Tesla with
robotics and AI, right? Um, a big driver for the AI theme is like
they
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need data centers, right? They need data centers to actually
have the AI work and and and do the computing, right? And
they're gonna there's a lot of demand for it. And I is one
of those data center companies. Um, now I actually missed the first
part of this move. I remember being long, right? I think one of
these days um only to get stopped out and shaken out on this
pullback in in like m middle of August. um and then didn't
reby. So I I you know I got stopped out in like the 19s 20 area,
watch it then run to 23 and I'm like oh I missed it. Like that
sucks. Then they post
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earnings and then gap up another you know three or $4 a
share. Now I'm pissed. I'm like damn it. This is actually
a swing that's working. Um you know I'm going to miss this
thing and now I have massive FOMO. Um, one of those scenarios where
like just staying patient and not chasing actually kind of helped me
because it spiked, it came back down and all I could notice was that
over these three days, even though it kind of sold under it, it kept
holding the earnings day high or day low, right? The low of this day
was what, 2648. what, 2648. what, 2648. And so it didn't hold
26 perfectly, but it continued to
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try to sell off and just couldn't, right? And even on
this last day here on the 8th of September, I tried again,
couldn't. And this is on the the this yellow line is the 10
SMA, which is a big moving average I like to look at and use. Uh,
and it was the first time tapping that SMA and then immediately
rejecting and bouncing right off of it since it, you know, it it ran
since since I missed the run. That's the first time it tapped
the 10 and just it was like allergic. I mean, immediately bounces
off, wants nothing to do with it. And so I thought to myself, it may
be a low odds
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idea, but riskreward-wise getting long in the 26s and only
having to risk like a dollar a share lower given that it's
built some really good support here over the last week, I was like
in a hot sector in in a company that just put posted massive
earnings like they increased their earnings by 270%, right? Um I was
like it's it's worth the shot, right? Uh and so I bought
some on this day and the next day gapped up and then it ran more and
it kept going. I think I trimmed some. My first trim was at like 33.
Um and then we got started getting more parabolic into like the 50s
or the 40s. So
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I trimmed some more at like 48. Um still holding the 10 the
entire way. Um finally we get a little bit crazier. I don't
remember selling any up here because at some point I have to stop
selling and just trust the entirety of of the moving averages. Um
and then finally on this day it closed below it at like 60 bucks a
share. Uh and I sold the rest there. So I locked in how much was
that total? um 138,000 on that swing. Um and I really didn't
even have that big a position. Like I take and this is my number
more maybe further confirmation of what we talked about with the
MSTR win of
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like sometimes just letting it work and having able to ride
it from you know 26 to nearly 70. Like I didn't really have
that big of a dollar position than than some day trades I take. But
because it's just like you just have the patience to ride a you
know 150% move um almost 200% move. I mean it was approaching 75 uh
which would have been 200% for me or close to it. Like it it was
just you know I can't pull out 100k gains on a daily basis with
day trading but uh when the swings work and they really work like
100k profit is like almost nothing's guaranteed but it's
like if they work
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the swing trades work for me it enters that realm fairly
quickly. Um which is which is cool. And so that was a big
contributor um you know to to the profits of this month was was this
the gain. It's such a fantastic trade example. Um like can I
just ask what put iron on your radio on your radar for the first
time because it's not a top. It's not like oh it's up
60%. How how is it looking? looking? looking? >> Yeah. Um so
some of the the scans that I like and this is this is the scans from
Koolagi. Um he'll like to scan for stocks up 30% over either
over one month, three
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month or six months. And I actually have them right here.
Right. So Trading View allows me to like make those scans over a
certain time frame. Um I have to change them though. They're
all they all it all thinks I'm the same scan. And so I have to
change this from like 30 over 3 months to 6 months if I do like a
right like 6 months here. Um but it'll give me kind of more
higher or higher valued stocks in the midcap and large cap space
that are be that have been up at least 30% in the last 6 months or 3
months or one month. And from there, that then gives me the
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charts to go through and say, "Hey, if they start either
if they're a in a hot sector, they have good news or at the
right place, right time, um, or just technically look good."
Like the what first caught my eye on iron was that it had this
massive move from 10 to nearly 20. So, I wasn't even a part of
this move. I didn't see iron until it made this move. And then
I realized, oh, it's in the data center sector. That's a
hot sector. Um, it's technically holding up. Um, it also looks
good when you see it actually respect moving averages. Like cuz some
stocks can go up and not give a crap about
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what moving averages hold and don't hold. But when I was
like clearly holding this 10 SMA so well after already running 100%,
right, it let me know that hey, if there's if this is ever
going to trend again, like it's got good characteristics to do
so. Um, or at least good history of the characteristics to do so.
Um, and so that is all I really needed to just keep watching it. And
the moment I kind of see like it breaking out or making new highs or
or again sometimes a little bit different where I miss the highs but
I I see a new support level forming um on the moving average that it
already respects
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first a risk word is tight. Sometimes it's just like
there's no there's no perfect entry but it's like if
you can just get a good risk word spot in a trend that you have
confidence is going to continue you know that's kind of what
leads some of these winners. So um that was the case for iron and
how I kind of came across this one. one. one. >> Yeah I love
it. I just the fact that it's for everyone. This is a trade for
everyone, not just the day traders who who quit the jobs. This is
for someone who's going to work every day. >> Yes,
totally 100%. Um, so then the other couple trades
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I wanted to talk about um was obviously the the biggest one I
think most people are probably >> have traded or looking into
it or >> Yeah, BY and D just the the biggest boy of the month.
Um, good and bad about this one. Um, definitely walked away green.
definitely improved from previous runners of this magnitude because
you know the biggest one I can remember is FFIE or now FFAI where I
took my biggest loss of my career just being overly aggressive way
too soon on something that moves you know 10,000%. Um BYD
wasn't that big of a percent gain but it was I think it was big
in magnitude of like the volume was
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massive, the hype was massive. It was Wall Street bets just
like FFI or FFI at the time. Like it had so many similar
characteristics. Um, and so I treated this one much much better, but
I definitely was got chopped up on the front side, just being too
too eager, too early. Um, thankfully, you know, learned my lesson
from FIU, so I I stayed within the the realms of of safe. Um, which
allowed me to be there for the backside. Um, but just massive,
massive move, you know, from 60 cents to seven bucks, seven and
change over really three days. Um, and where it started for me was
was getting chopped up on this day. um
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similar well at the time again we're speaking hindsight
so it's easy for me to say I knew this you know this was going
to be some massive runner right but when it gapped up so we go from
you know 60 cents and then a run to a buck 50 and then we gap up to
230 at this point in time I'm thinking this a similar thing to
the Buru thesis right like it's like this just ran massively
it's already then it's gapping up even more it's like
what are the odds this gap holds itself and and can't keep
going higher uh and so I kind of start getting short out the open
here uh on
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on the the 21st of October. Uh let me pull up the the trades
here. Um where is Yeah, here it is. Um and it's so funny
because it ran so much further, right? But at the time in the
morning, you know, this is me getting short in the in the morning,
right? And it actually worked. Like my idea was like, I'm going
to get short like 230s, 220s. I think this can sell off sub two. But
unlike Buru, I didn't cover it sub two. I was getting a little
bit greedy, a little bit overconfident, thinking like, okay, sub two
is the minimum, but let's see like 170, 180, 160s. Um, and it
just that just
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wasn't the case, right? Like again, going into the
intraday of the actual the whole thing. Um, you know, it tapped like
193 or whatever it was, right? Let me zoom in. All right.
Where's the low? Yeah, like Yeah, 183. And just that was the
rest. That's all you ever got. So, here I am, you know, being
thinking of being aggressive and I cover nothing. Uh, and so I cover
some and then I realize, no, you know, I should probably risk some
off the highs. I don't really know. Let me try to be fancy and
reshort some more. Uh, so re-short, cover that, try again, cover
that. And so, before you know it, I'm I'm down.
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I lost more than I really want to. I only really wanted to
lose like 20 25Kish on this trade, but by the time I cut I cut it
all, you know, here over high days as it's making new highs,
I'm down like 40 50 grand. So, not the end of the world, still
within the means of my risk management um on the higher end, but
like not what I really wanted to lose. So, that was annoying. Where
it gets a little bit worse, but also in a different sector or where
things get kind of tough is like, okay, I lost, let's call it
45 grand shorting this thing when I thought it was going to
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be like a gap and crap kind of idea. But now it's going
parabolic. So, even though this is going to all all come under the
same trade from a broker statement, right? I have to mentally view
it separately of like it's no longer a gap and crap idea.
It's now a parabolic short. So, it's very tough to do and
it it looks worse when you lose like I did in this case. Um but
it's like to me there was at least two different setups here.
Unfortunately, both ended up being losers, [laughter] right? So, it
ended up being worse than poss or worse than it should have been.
But, um you know, I start trading get
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parabolic, get short here, cover that. A lot of chop here. Um
don't really get much done. and end up losing uh another maybe
20 30 grand, then it goes parabolic for real, like the real
parabolic and after hours. Uh and this one I felt really good about
and I and I actually in terms of the arrows and how it worked out, I
nailed it. Um to the point where if I had actually covered it all
down here at the 330s, I remember covering like 60 or 70% of it. Um
I didn't I left some piece because I thought it might go sub
three, it might just get really ugly. So that was the greed in
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me thinking it could go lower and it didn't. Um and so
if I but in you know in hindsight knowing the numbers just the rough
math in my head had I actually covered it all there I actually would
have made the entire day's loss back. So was close to you know
saving myself didn't um but then I thought to myself okay
that's got to be that's got to be it like that that death
from you know nearly five to three like this is that's the
backside. The backside's going to begin. I was wrong. Uh it
bounces so I reshort the bounce thinking it's backside. It
comes all the way back to the highs and I'm
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like, "Holy crap." Like, you know, back to the Buru
example where I'm talking about where holding something short
overnight should be a I should have a profit locked in. It should be
fading in my favor. I should already be in a profit on the trade. It
shouldn't be looking to hold highs and making new lows. Like
everything about Buru was like, I should probably hold this
overnight. It's worth the risk for me. BND here, the total
opposite. I'm red on the ticker. I barely made my gains back,
but I'm reshorting now, giving back those gains to be red on
the ticker again. Uh, it's not making new lower lows. I'm
now down on the short
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when it, you know, after these ads on this bounce, I'm
now, you know, back over when it goes back over like 450. I'm
now down on the position. Um, and it's just not fading, right?
So, by the close, I cover it. I'm like, there's no way I
can risk this overnight. It is doing everything under the sun that I
do not want it to do. Um, so I cut it. So a total between you know
the whole you know morning and night um I lost about in total like
64 grandish in total. So pretty much between so 40 or so of it was
here and then between losing it and then making it back and
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then losing some more another like 24 there or so or another
20. So in this 60k loss range. Um which for a single trade would be
a lot. It would be like a plus risk if it was just one trade. But
like it's kind of why I mentioned it was kind of two setups in
one that just unfortunately I took at the same broker on the same
ticker. So naturally it's going to be combined into one from a
from a tracking standpoint. So I'm not too upset with it. Um
it's just how it all played out and had I just been a little
bit smarter with not being so aggressive here and actually then not
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being so greedy here. Um it could have been massively
different. But the cool part is and the great part about it about
about me cutting it is it did get better, right? it did then go on
to actually gap up and go higher um to the point where it now the
opportunity is only getting better and then again it just comes down
to how well can I manage my risk um can I pull that there we go
right so covered it there immediately gaps up plus five plus so
again for people who like are worried about the risks of holding
overnight like that's the risk of overnight that's why you
need to you know actually
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know whether it's worth the risk or not and no part of
BY and D was worth it um and then it goes parabolic to nearly nine
Now, I was asleep here, right? I I I wanted a good night's
rest. You know, the day prior was super exhausting. If I could go in
hindsight, I totally would have woken up because being there for
this parabolic would have been awesome. But again, it's easy to
say in hindsight, oh, I would have shorted it, you know, 8:50 and
time the top perfectly. Like, I have no idea if I would have tried
here first and then got stopped out and then tried again and it
would have worked. But
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is I didn't wake up until pretty much like 8:30 Eastern
here. Um, and so in terms of then showing the trade for the next
day, let me pull it up right on here. Um, I start getting short in
pre-market into this push. Um, kind of thinking this is going to be
resistance from the from the big parabolic in pre-market. Um, that
was right, but I covered it pretty early. Unfortunately, I only
locked in, you know, I took it from, you know, 720 only down to like
680. So, I really didn't overstay my welcome there, and I
should have because by the open, it's flushing and it's
going lower. I'm out the open. Now, where this
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gets me twisted a little bit, um, is I kept thinking like
it's like I had to do what I did yesterday all over again. And
this one was a little bit better in the sense that it tricked it
kind of tricked me where instead of just kind of failing and fading
like it did in the day prior and make me think like, oh, I'm
immediately right only for it to come back. It gave me enough
confidence to keep trying, but not enough to die, right? So, it
pulls, it spikes higher, can't even make barely new highs on
the day, right? Or it almost double tops it, then fails again pretty
hard, then comes up and
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makes a lower high, then goes again. So, we're kind of
like making this wedge here. And again, I'm so bearish at this
point that like I'm not really acknowledging the wedge.
I'm just thinking like this is going to die. Unfortunately, it
doesn't. It just gets one more gust of of strength and this
stops me out again. Um, looking at the chart there, right? So, I
stop out a little bit over there. I then stop out at the my like max
not max stop, but my last level of of kind of area that it should
fade, right? I was kind of using now this last market top or
pre-market high. So, when it went over there,
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I cut it. That was this arrow right here. um you know cutting
it there and so at this point I am down like 60 plusk right this was
like the A+ trade that I will was willing to take and I was willing
to be down um I actually think it was down like 80k like with some
slippage after giving it a few tries you can see here uh it
wasn't just like one cover I had like one small cover there
another cover there um so not down more than I willing to like I
think my max stop is is around 100 so I was getting close um before
I gave up the towel but it.
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So, it sucked. I was like, h like, damn it. [laughter] You
know, we're not down, but we're pretty beaten up at this
point. Um, and unfortunately for me, I just knew in my brain of
like, if this is going to die, die, die, like I I can't not be
there, but I need to be more precise. This is when I was able to
kind of reset and think to myself like, "Okay, Kyle, you were
just like blindly too strong and too aggressive again. Like,
let's take a deep breath and reset." And I'm really
glad I did that. Um because instead of just starting in max size,
like again, if we look at the arrows, you
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can clearly see like I'm not wasting any time getting
short. Like I'm just immediately like bam bam bam like massive
size and then just wrong. Um once I reset, I say let's go.
Let's just ease into it. So you actually do see me immediately
reshort about 3 or 4 minutes later. And this was like a 5% position
of what I had. So like literally nothing. This was me just to get my
feet wet to reset and just like, okay, let's just have a
position but be more, you know, less aggressive, less erratic about
it, less sporadic. Um, and then it just came in the fact that now it
was fading, right? It wasn't having these
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like big pulls and then big drop, big spikes and, you know,
huge wins higher. It was like trying and then failed and then trying
and then failed and then trying and then failed, which is like
different than what we had. Um, and then something I really noticed
was that once we kind of broke this this little like I don't
want to call it a trend line cuz I don't really draw trend
lines in the intraday, but we had this higher high, higher high,
higher high and then this higher high kind of perfectly like if I
could draw a line, you know, it looks right perfectly with that and
then we rolled over and then that
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was like, okay, like this this probably is it, you know. Um,
and again, you don't know for sure, but in terms of like
breaking trend back below VWAP now, um, all you needed is one more
lower low in my opinion to then break these lows and then now you
get your confirmation. Uh, and so that's kind of what happened
where once we broke up, I then added a little bit more into that
bounce and then right, you know, seconds later is when that flush
started happening. Um, so like as the trade went on, I just had more
kind of confirmation as price action kind of started fulfilling what
I was thinking. um or I was
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getting confirmation from what I was thinking immediately
being right. Uh and then the flush happened, right? So then I'm
covering um some, you know, at five uh some at 450, some at four. Um
I'm thinking of covering into red green because I just
don't think it it goes straight down right away. Um kind of
back to what we talked about with Buru, like at some point it it
could sell off so much that actually a red green could be support
and not resistance um or like more failure. And so then it bounced.
Uh I was really really really hoping for a move or balance five plus
to kind of get short again where these lows
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were. So like 550 you know five or in that range. Um but
unfortunately just couldn't and in fact started looking super
weak. We started making again another lower high after uh almost
another trend break like again I I didn't even see this at the
time but like you see another like you know low lower low and then
it just can't it can't keep that trend going the bounce
going. So then another leg comes lower. So, I do reshort smaller
size quickly on that break and then cover it immediately quick more
quickly because I just don't think it's going to have
another $3 a share flush from, you know, seven to four. Um, so
I'm covering
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it. I'm shorting at four. I'm covering it like
immediately at three, you know, 290 and then I think I cover the
rest like 280. Um, and then yeah, bounces and it goes even lower. I
mean, I didn't I didn't take part in this short
unfortunately. Um, but just I mean, the fading never ended
practically. It it barely made new lows by a few cents, but then uh
that was that. So between you know lost like what was it 60
something K the day before lost then another close to 80 on the
front side but after all said and done uh by the red day I think it
was up 150 or so uh somewhere around
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there u because I also dip bought um these these arrows
don't show up but I dip bought in a different account um this
one and this one didn't make much on this one cuz again the
bounce didn't work but then I do remember re-bying some at like
280 290ish and then sold that in the in the high 3s Um, so that
helped out, but that wasn't really the bulk of it. Obviously,
the the short was the massive bulk of it. Um, so yeah, sorry
I've been going a long time there, but that was the the massive
momentous runner of the month. Uh, which is crazy. And even now,
right, it's back at, you know, a
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dollar$1 dollar$1 dollar60. Uh, which is crazy. So, I wanted
to ask you, I mean, two two questions. I mean, the first one would
be um and and then we can kind of wrap up because I'm going to
have to change the name of the show to the 45minute recap. >>
Sorry. Yeah, we're going a long time. >> No, like people
people will be screaming at the television. Don't cut them off.
Don't cut them off. I'm learning. Don't damn I
learned before. But um two two questions really is one would you
change anything about that trade in hindsight? Have you learned
anything from that trade or is that just the game of trading?
>> Um no.
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So I def I mean well yes yes yes and no. It's the game
of trading. It's the game of trading in the sense that you know
you're never going to be perfect. So even if you had the right
plan um there are still going to be times where you're going to
screw up and you have to make that mental reset like mid trade or
midday like like I did at the top here where it's like you got
to get your crap together or you're you're going to
you're going to screw this up more than you already have. Um
you know so because as a discretionary trader you're just going
to make those mistakes. So yes,
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it's a part of trading, but if I could go back and
really really really cement what I think would have worked, cuz to
put to perspective, part of context too was like I was shorting this
here, this this first starter in the 720s, thinking that the
ultimate high is going to be this 880s. Like it's not going to
go over these highs. Like that's the game plan thesis. I could
have been dead wrong, but I was like, if there's any high odds
play here, it's not going to go over these highs. Like
that's the highest odds odds play here. And so I was telling
myself into the open like you need to be positioning yourself
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to use this as risk until you get better confirmation, right?
Um because I thought in my mind like if it's going to try to
spike, it could spike again 7 plus. I remember telling myself
pre-market that unfortunately when it died more than I thought by a
market open, that's when I just started getting screwed up. I
was like crap, this is weaker than I thought. I didn't think it
would go sub six this quickly yet. And like that whole that whole,
you know, plan from wanting to use these this as resistance as a as
a game plan turned into screw that, let's just get short
wherever we can and hope it dies, right? Like one
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trend is one trade plan is very thought out. The other is
just like crap, having FOMO, need to get short, right? Very
different. Um, and so that's what kind of screwed me up and
that's kind of what helped me then reset and then get short
immediately after because then I realized I was like, wait a minute,
if I wasn't so FOMO based or so wanting to get short
aggressively with with with no real great plan here and I actually
waited for this spike. This was the spike I wanted, right? This was
the spike that I told myself to wait for because this is this is
great getting short a seven plus risking off eight, you
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know, or the mid8s or any one of these resistance levels from
pre-market. like that's that's the spot. Um now whether it
was going to fade after spiking was another question, but at least
you were patient and let the you let the entry come to you versus
you you go chasing the entry right here. I was chasing the entry
versus letting it spike to you where the original plan was like,
yeah, get short a strength and then use this as risk level. Like
that's letting it come to you and then you're, you know,
you're not in control. The trade can do whatever it wants, but
emotionally you're in control. like you're you're
you're in control of
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your own trade plan and what you expected and what
you're willing to wait for versus just FOMOing in because I
thought I was going to die weaker than it should have, you know,
only to be proven wrong, but then right on the original idea where I
had to reset myself. So, if I can go back in time, I would have, you
know, obviously it's perfectly said and it's it can't
be that perfect to not touch it at all here and then touch it here.
But getting too aggressive here and then not being aggressive enough
here is what I would have switched because I would have loved to
have only taken small losses here but then
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really use this as the entry that I originally wanted. It
would have been a much bigger bigger trade to be just from a risk
perspective and just a more size and a higher average. You know,
waiting for this would have been would have been that spot for sure.
>> Uh makes sense. And and I guess the last pressing from me
before I ask you who'd like to nominate to do this next would
be um I guess the swings that I've Oh no, you've swam
short as well with because like this this company is massively in
debt. Um it actually restructured its debt for shares which was a
super super bearish catalyst to make the stock
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go down to where it is now. And it's also got huge
potential dilution in the form of ATMs. Y >> So was the reason
why you didn't swing it? it? it? Um, oh, over the first red
day. So, I It's funny. Um, yes, there was. And in fact, because
I because I screwed up, not screwed up, but because I didn't
make as much on the short as I thought of, like obviously I'm
was very happy to have made back my losses and then and then be well
green on it. But then I looked at how big of the opportunity this
was to go from again 9 to three in a single day. I was like,
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"Wow, Kyle, like this should have been, you know, this
should have really been big." And so my brain started thinking
like, "Well, what are the bounces again? like what if we get
another bounce to like four or five like what if we finally get a a
bounce later in the day or or the next day. Um so I started getting
bullish like I wasn't necessarily going to long it overnight
for a gap. I originally did think it could but when it started
fading so heavily to new lows I was like no this isn't going to
work but I was kind of not bullish but I I kind of wanted a bounce
you know I wanted
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a redo so to speak. Um, so I didn't really intend on
gapping it down or taking short to swing it because I I kind of was
hoping for a move higher. And something similar to FFAI, you know,
when when a ticker does sell off way too harshly, sometimes they do
actually gap up. Um, like FFAI, you know, going from this was this
was pre-split by the time it went from four bucks to a dollar. And
so some people think because it was so weak, oh, it's got to go
lower. But sometimes it catches people off guard and actually is due
for a bounce overnight because this then gapped up from a dollar to
like two
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bucks or like two and a half bucks at the time or something
around there. Uh and then it faded again. So I was kind of thinking
like, hey, if there's a world I get a redo, it might be, you
know, on a on a gap up. It might be like a surprise gap up to like
450, you know, was kind of like my hopes and guess. Um so that is
why that is why I did not swing it. Um, but honestly, even if I did,
I it didn't actually go lower than the day's low. So, it
would have been a gain, but it would have been kind of confusing of
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lower than not, but then trying to bounce, but failing. So,
it was kind of an awkward inside day before it then eventually, you
know, broke down and stuff. So, makes sense. Uh, Kyle, we've
gone a little bit over than I've requested of your time, but
you've No, no, it's not. It's you've give great
great value. I think it's an excellent excellent first uh first
episode of a new series. Um, do you have anyone that you'd like
to to nominate to uh be the next person, the next trader from Kinfo
that uh does this 30 minute uh monthly recap next month? month?
month? >> The um the obviously I think the next best guy who
reviews
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and has a killer month is Laptop Legend. Um I also think
someone who's on the Kinfo leaderboard that's really good,
a really good educator. Uh Edu trades Eduardo. I think he would be
good. Um so I'd love to see their episodes and see how they do.
um and and watch them review their trades. >> Awesome. I will
try my best. I believe we can get Edu or Laptop Legend to review in
November. But Kale, thank you so much. Thank you so much for your
transparency. Thank you for coming on, being a part of Kin for
you're one of the best uh advocates of the trading community
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This 23-year-old may be one of the fastest traders to rise to
the top [music] spot of Kimfo's leaderboard. Sean has stated
profits of $2.8 million, and in his first month on Kimfo, he
generated verified profits [music] of $216,000. $216,000. $216,000.
>> I never thought I'd be able to get into this position
so soon in life. He had no background in finance, no major starting
capital, and took no shortcuts. When I started, not a single person
believed in me. So, please follow your dreams. They realized most
[music] traders are learning the wrong things. I of course I take a
look at like the, you know, 13F filings [music] and see, you know,
what institutions are buying
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what, but those are delayed, right? Like you're getting
that quarter after. So, what I usually look for is [music] volume.
>> Today, he reveals the strategy he trades by equities and
options, and it's a lot simpler than you might think. A lot of
people would buy this breakout [music] right here. I bought the day
before on the UNR of the previous day's low. So, you mark out
the previous day's [music] low, and then you wait for the stock
to break under that low and reclaim it. What that does is it traps
[music] sellers at lows, and then it reverses, you know, the other
way pretty strongly. And I look [music] for at least uh price
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action to confirm that a reversal is going to be taking
place. So, what I like to call this is, you know, 15-minute or a
30-minute pivot. All right, is the market putting in that UNR? And
when it is, [music] what I'm looking to do is buy basically the
strongest stocks on relative uh on weakness in the market.
Basically, made half a million in the last month just just following
these strategies. Yeah, just following these strategies. Welcome to
Undiscovered Traders. Today, we welcome a brand new Kimfo trader,
Sean Trades, who literally verified at the end of February and is
already up 470,000 in a month. Uh and keep in mind that is taking
into account we've
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had one of the worst markets worst markets worst markets of
recent time. Uh so, we're going to get into how he started, his
trading strategies, his unique approach to trading the markets, uh
and he's going to show us uh how he's basically made some
of his top trades and and the the thoughts and strategies behind
them. So, welcome, Sean. How are you? Thank you so much for having
me. Um I really appreciate everything you guys are doing. Like,
there's a lot of garbage out there. Um and the fact that
you're able to, you know, verify who's actually being able
to make money and things like that on social media and get that
actual advice is
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is something that we definitely need in the industry. Yeah,
and like when you when you think about it, like whenever whenever
anything anything anything whenever anything is new, like for
example, I think I remember Tim Sykes was one of the first people to
talk about trading stocks and ex- maybe X or Twitter at the time
came I don't know when it come about. I think maybe Twitter
came about about 20 years ago or something like that. Whenever
something's new and completely unregulated, it's just like
the total wild wild west. You get all of the crazy scams. No
one's verified. Especially recently, I think it's gone
it's gone out of hand. >> It's got worse? Yeah,
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totally. 100% in my opinion at least. No, I mean, and
it's it's just it's good to have something like Kimfo
because everyone like this is a game where there's not really a
there's no school for it. There's no university for it.
So, you've got to learn from someone on the internet kind of
like most people. There's no choice. So, like at least learn
from someone who is verified. But um so, look, uh how old are you
right now? I'm 23 years old. 23. And how much money have you
made in total? Not because you just made 500,000 in a month. So,
like what what's your back total? back total? back total?
>> over my trading
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career including uh long-term positions, I've made over
2.8 million. million. million. And that's over 7 years of uh
total 7 years of trading. And I'm really really looking forward
to seeing how you've how you've kind of how you've
been trading recently. But 2.3 million 2.3 million and you're
23? Yeah, 2.8 2.8, but yes. >> 2.8? Oh my gosh. 2.8 million.
And uh you you told me earlier that you started when you were 17.
So, just give me the story of like how how I mean, is your dad is
your dad an investment banker or something? How did you get
interest? How did you get started? started? started? Yeah, so
surprisingly, a lot of people do
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ask me the same question. They're like, uh is your dad
in trading or is your family someone that you know? Um but to be
completely honest, I think I I started like most people probably
that are watching this, just hearing of something where you can make
money online by just spending a few hours, you know? And that
totally intrigued me. And I realized like there's so many
different ways out there to make money, and trading just really
intrigued me the fact that you can click a few buttons and, you
know, potentially make or lose of course, and that's what most
people, you know, don't understand at first. It's very
risky and it's not something that's
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easy to do. But when I figured out like, "Wow,
there's people out there that are able to make this much, you
know, money in a few weeks, in a few months, in a few years,"
um it totally intrigued me. So, I started when I was 17 in high
school. Um I used a custodial account uh with my with my dad, and I
started paper trading as well, and I just got a lot of experience
from it. But just like everybody, you know, my first 1 to 2 years, I
got absolutely destroyed. And to be completely honest with you, I
thought it was like I thought trading was a scam at that point
because I'd seen
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so many people make money online, but I wasn't able to
do it because, you know, I had the wrong habits and I had the wrong
expectations going into trading thinking I would have made, you
know, millions in my first month when, you know, it's a very
hard game. It's a very hard game to master. You can make a lot
of money, but the hardest part is actually keep the money that you
make. A lot of people can make, you know, thousands of dollars and
then lose it all in one trade because you need to have the right
discipline, the right tools. So, that's how I kind of got into
trading, and since then my journey
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has been, you know, 7 years of uh of doing this, a lot of ups
and downs. And when I started to become consistently profitable was
about uh 4 years ago. And what I what I'd really like to kind
of uncover with you because I've been through my learning curve
as well. I mean, I'm I remember I made 100,000 like 4 or 5
years ago, and then I just lost half of it. And then I've just
gone on on this whole other curve of learning a bit more about
macroeconomics, starting to look at bond markets a bit more,
understanding futures a bit more, especially with gold and oil and
what's happening now. Trying to relate that
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back to the current market, and all of a sudden, sudden,
sudden, like I'm starting to buy a tech a lot more and actually
understanding what goes on in between. So, like and now now I'm
having the second leg of uh doing better again. But with you, can I
just understand like how did you go from nothing to half a million
in a month? Like, can you can you kind of break down the learning
stages? Is it is there a way to to show that? that? that? Yeah,
100%. So, when I first started out, I got introduced into options.
Um that was like the main thing that I was uh trading and looking
at. So, um
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what I was mainly doing what my main strategy was was I was
trading options on earnings. And I know that sounds absolutely
crazy, right? Like as a as a teenager just going into it, like
that's what I got introduced to. And to be completely honest
with you, I lost everything that I had. So, I used to work summer
jobs. I used to have like money saved up to potentially trade, and I
would just lose everything over a span of 1 to 2 years because of
the fact that I got introduced into it in the wrong way. So, the
number one thing that actually helped me get on the right track is I
realized, "Okay, this
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is actually possible because there's people that have
been able to do it, but I have to start the right way. I have
to." And what I did was instead of like looking up to somebody
that I just saw on like TikTok or Twitter, I did something that I
think most people should do. You should go online and search up,
"Who is actually the best trader out there? Verified and
actually has like a real story and a real strategy that has an edge
in the market." And what I did is I searched up, "Who are
the best traders in the world right now?" Because these are the
people that I want to learn from. And I
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had like the same mentality as like, "If I'm going
to get into basketball, I want to learn from Michael Jordan or
LeBron, right? I want to learn from the best basketball
players." Or if I want to get into soccer, I want to look up to
Messi, Ronaldo, some of the greats. And that's kind of like
what transformed my mindset and thinking. And you need to be
following this strategy to a T. And I'm a very like if you give
me something to do, I'm a very uh kind of disciplined person.
If I can find that one thing that works for me, I'll do it no
matter what nonstop. And I think that's really what kind
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of set the switch for me after having 2 years of, you know,
doing things the complete opposite way, I started to learn from some
of these great traders. Um so, like Oliver Kell was one of my
biggest inspirations, Quan McGee, Mark Minervini. And Minervini. And
Minervini. And I started to learn that they all had one thing in
common. And this is something that started to really click in my
trading is I realized that they all trade momentum within the
market. So, a lot of traders want to beat the markets, you know,
every single day. Every single day they want to be green. Every
single day they want to make money. But the truth is that's
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not possible, right? But if we can trade with the market, if
we can trade with the momentum of the market and what the market is
doing, now we have a better chance at producing actual results that
can potentially beat the market or at least, you know, at the
beginning we want to at least be break even or not losing money
until we can finally, you know, flip that corner and potentially
beat the market. So, when I started to trade with momentum, I had a
lot more success, and I started to, you know, pick up on some good
names that were coming out of big bases, and trading, you know,
themes was one thing that it
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like it exploded my trading, just understanding the themes in
the matter in the market and the fact that there's like, you
know, a thematic trend. For example, we've had, you know, the
auto auto artificial intelligence boom over the last 2 to 3 years,
but there's so many different moving parts within that trade.
There's, you know, memory stocks, there's photonics, there
is semiconductors, and there's the uh you know, data centers,
and there's so many different things within that theme that you
can really break it down and figure out, "Okay, where are the
big institutions, you know, moving their money around to? What is
the sector and the theme that they are buying?" And I want to
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be involved in that trade. So, I started really looking into
kind of volume analysis and figuring out, "Okay, where are
institutions buying? I want to be looking to get into a trade that
an institution is in and kind of follow that trend." So, of
course, you know, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows when I
started to do this. Um I did blow my account multiple times again,
even when I discovered, you know, uh momentum swing trading, but I
started to kind of have that like switch flipped in me where I
realized like this is what I need to be doing. And now the biggest
challenge came to what you exactly what you were saying. So,
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I was able to make money, and I'll give you some
context. In 2021, I was able to flip like a $100 uh account into
over $30,000. And obviously, that's like an insane feat, right?
But I lost over 80% of that when the market entered a bear market in
2022. Um if you remember like, you know, we had Russia-Ukraine, oil
prices were very high, very similar kind of market I'd say like
dynamic to what we have right now with, you know, rising oil prices,
inflation was pretty high as well. I was I was reading about it
earlier actually cuz I was thinking it's the exact same thing
that had happened, but one of the main differences
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is that um there was very high rise in wages in America at
that time. Right. Which was a big problem for inflation, whereas
wages have been declining Yeah. recently, so it's not as much
of an inflation problem. But I was actually comparing the two
earlier today, so it's funny that you say that. Yeah, yeah.
It's of course, you know, it's not the exact same thing,
but it's a similar kind of uh broader market that we're in
right now. Um but I lost, you know, a lot of the the money that I
was able to make in that market. And what I told myself is I'm
never going to I'm never going to do that again.
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Now it all comes down to the fact that I know I can make
money in a raging bull market, and I know that I can even make some
money or you know, break even in a market that's hard like the
one we're in right now, right? But >> Is this a nice?
Sorry. This is This is This is mainly equities, some options
sprinkled in there, but mainly equities. This is like Robin Hood
trading. It's you not uh you're not with a fancy broker or
anything like it's Robin Hood. >> Robin Hood trading.
>> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >>
Yeah, Robin Hood trading. Do you think it's just a bunch of uh
crazy people on
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there? Or you just think it's a bunch of like people
gambling or I don't want to say nothing about it about Robin
Hood, but it's the average perception is Of course, yeah.
>> uh somebody's dad who just wants to put some money
somewhere or young kid. It's a very visual >> like
professional You're trading professional money and Totally.
Yes. Totally. Yes. Totally. Yes. >> Yes, and you know, I was
able to you know, get the account up swing trading momentum, and I
was able to get the account up a few times. Of course, like I said,
you know, in 2022, lost a good chunk of it. And then like the big
approach that I've had
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is just focusing on drawdown control. Being able to make sure
that, you know, cuz like I said, you know, I'm I I know I can
make money in a market that goes up, and it's easy money, like,
you know, quote-unquote easy money. But what happens when the market
actually pulls back? Am I able to protect that capital, or am I just
going to give back everything that I make? Because if that's
what I'm doing, what what's the point of trading? If
I'm just going to make, you know, a few thousand dollars and
then give it back the next 3 months, I basically just wasted 3
months of my life. So, the most important thing to
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me has been since then capital preservation and understanding
when the right time to press on the gas is, so when the market is
easy, and then, you know, take a little bit off the gas whenever
I'm not getting any traction on my positions. my positions. my
positions. Yeah, but I I love what you're saying there because
I think a lot of traders that I've known I've I mean,
I've been I've been in the industry like 10 years now, and
I've spoken to so many traders. And a lot of traders will just
watch some videos thinking, "All right, I need to buy
breakouts, so it's buying here and and selling there." But
and maybe they'll go
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to the next level if if if they're thinking, "Okay,
I'll identify five themes." Like EVs. I remember EVs were
were hot a while back in 2017. 2021 and they're all breaking
out, and you've had loads of themes like cannabis, cannabis,
cannabis, EVs, cryptos, EVs, cryptos, EVs, cryptos, low floats
randomly. Quantum was a theme recently. recently. recently. But like
what I with you, I mean, are you going into like the 13F's? Are
they Is it 13F's or 13G's to see what the hedge funds are
are buying? Or how are you doing that? Yeah, so the main way that I
look at like institutional buying is through volume. So, I of
course, I take a look at
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like the you know, 13F filings and see, you know, what
institutions are buying what, but those are delayed, right? Like
you're getting that quarter after. So, what I usually look for
is volume because at the end of the day, right? Orders cannot be
hidden from the tape, right? You have dark pool orders, of course,
but most of the time, you'll see orders within volume in the
market. So, whenever there's like a base that's been you
know, setting up for the last two, three, you know, four months, the
market is accumulating, right? So, an institution might be
accumulating that stock, and you could see it within the volume.
volume. volume. And And And that is what
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I'm looking at, volume patterns within the market. So,
is it is it just like, for example, you'll know that um AI is
going to be hot. So, you might have semiconductors. have
semiconductors. have semiconductors. Uh you might have some futures
of silver and copper because there's a lot of silver and copper
that goes into building these these semiconduc- semiconductors and
these factories and solar panels and stuff like that. But um But um
But um and then so are you then kind of like looking for above
average volume before the breakout or something like that in these
stocks? Yeah, so it kind of starts like it it it kind of starts like
that, but it's a
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obviously a little bit of a little bit of a deeper process.
So, what I usually do is like I break down every single stock um by
theme, and I have like a big watch list of stocks by theme, see what
theme is developing, kind of track those themes. And then what I
look for is those bases that you just talked about. So, So, So, um
again, if you read like, you know, uh Stan Weinstein's book
about the stages of the market, um you'll see, you know, in
stage one, there's accumulation. So, if stock will set up,
it'll go sideways for a few months, and volume will be above,
you know, average on the buy side.
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And then when the uh stock pulls back, the volume is going to
be a little a little bit lower. Those are the stocks that go on my
radar, and then I wait for them to start breaking out of their base.
Some stocks I might see them a little bit later, they might already
be breaking out of that base, and they might already be in that
stage two, or they might already have a very strong move out of that
base. And those are stocks that to me would set up as continuation
stocks. So, now I'm watching those to set up like another, you
know, smaller base that could set up for continuation. So, my thing
is
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I'm looking for momentum within the market. It
doesn't matter if it's to the upside or the downside,
depending on of course, where the market is at and what cycle
we're in. we're in. we're in. And then I'm doing
a top-down approach where I'm looking at the index, I'm
looking at the sector, the individual stock, and I'm choosing,
"Okay, this is a leader in the market." For example, like,
you know, the photonics stocks over the last few months, uh LITE,
AAOI, those stocks have been going absolutely insane. And my goal is
I need to try to get into those stocks. So, now what I try to do is
I wait for a setup to set up
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on them. So, it could be a continuation setup, it could be
like a flat-top base, it could be a bull flag, whatever it is that
sets up to let me and allow me to get risk on that stock by taking,
you know, a big position with small risk by having a clear level to
use. That is what I'm looking to do. That is my goal. To get
into the best stocks. You You identify 10 to 15 sectors, you
research It's not very hard with ChatGPT and Gemini these days.
It makes it probably a lot easier than it was a couple of years ago.
You identify the key stocks in the sector, and then you just
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monitor in the watch list to see uh more or less on average
what stocks are what sectors are heating up and what stocks within
those sectors and and then obviously, it's going to
fundamentally need to make sense as well. I'm sure you can
think uh there's probably like with um with gold, for example,
now, it's like there's a war going on, historically gold
rises. So, you can you can identify fundamental reasons and attach
them to the technicals that you're seeing as well. But then
you'll go the S&P as the like not don't trade gold,
trade the people that mine the gold, stuff like that. Yeah, you
know, yeah, the gold miners. And then you can
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kind of go and see, okay, which gold miner is leading higher.
Um so, during the the big move up in gold, I was actually trading
NEM, which is uh a big gold miner. It was making new highs while
while gold wasn't, and it was actually leading the move up. So,
you can kind of go go in and break down um obviously which stocks
can potentially outperform the asset that you're or you're
looking to trade um or, you know, the overall market as well. well.
well. Yeah, it's like you want to get the ultimate ultimate
best alpha possible, and it's just a case of um doing a bit of
research for that. So, so that ex-
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So, so how much money did you make? Did Were you like buying
anything leveraged or anything like that? Like what was your kind of
profits? Cuz you went $100 to 30 grand doing that. Yeah, so that was
um options trading in there as well. So, a lot of it was, you know,
at the beginning just trading options and getting some capital to to
to grow that, which is, you know, the main reason why I I I traded
options um was because I didn't have a ton of capital. So, um
you know, maybe a lot of people are watching this are in the same
boat. You don't necessarily have to trade options if you
don't have
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a lot of capital. They're obviously very risky as well.
Um you have to understand how an option actually moves and how you
could take advantage of it and like the premium deviations and if a
you know, option even makes sense to take at the time. But it can
obviously be a help if you trade the right way and manage your risk
correctly to grow your account to the point where you can trade
equities. So, I was able to grow the account to, you know, 30,000,
and then I had a big drawdown. And then what I told myself is
I'm not going to, you know, have any more drawdown anymore over
my career. And from there,
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what I did to build up the account was I was trading mainly
equities and I would use money that, you know, I maybe made from
work or you know, money that I you know, had on the side to fund the
account and put in money over time. Now, one thing that's
really important that I want to make sure everyone understands is
like you never if you don't have, you know, a strategy that
actually works long-term like you're not seeing long-term
profitability, the worst thing you could do is continue to add money
into the account because the difference is never, you know, the the
account size. If you are not making money with $10,000 not going
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to make money with a million dollars. It's going to be
the same exact result. What what you want to do is focus on building
everything up slowly, building the skill correctly and then from
there you can add money into a machine that actually works. So,
that's kind of what my main focus was and then I was doing a
lot of compounding and a lot of adding money into the account over
time over time over time and I was able to grow a pretty good
amount. Obviously, in 2023 2024 with the AI move that helped a lot.
So, I caught some pretty good names like Nvidia SMCI over that run
kind of helped me, you know,
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propel my account higher. Yeah, look I think Shawn
you've already give a a huge amount of like advice and wisdom
despite your young age. So, I'm just going to ask people who
are watching this leave a comment on what you think Shawn's
best piece of advice so far is cuz I'd be really interested in
kind of what the community are thinking and we'll look through
those comments in a bit. But leave leave a comment on Shawn's
best piece of advice until now. until now. until now. And then
I'm guess I just want to ask you like how how were you trading
options? So, I know you lost the money on the earnings, but you were
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trading equities on the hottest sector swing trading. How did
you start with options? Was it just call options or Yeah, so mainly
call options because the market was uptrending. So, I never honestly
even started to learn like, you know, how to trade put options until
the market was going lower in 2022. 2022. 2022. But mainly call
options and I would trade actually one of my biggest trades at that
time was NIO. So, like in the EV kind of, you know, early kind of
rage in 2021. So, just do naked call options. Yeah, the the the call
options are a little bit expensive, but it's tough, right?
Because you want to trade some of these higher
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priced stocks, but you won't make a lot of money buying
equities unless you have more money, but you can't kind of
trade. What I found is you can trade like call spreads spreads
spreads and that that's still kind of lets you make a bit more
money if you can't fully at least then just trading it with
equities. I think you've got more risk, but you've got
more reward. So, I understand that you you've gone into trading
AI. Was is CRDO on your list ever one of the stocks that you like to
trade is in the AI sector or I never got into CRDO. More so like
COHR was one that I was in LITE LITE
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LITE in the photonics sector. Like how many hours are you
maybe you're doing a bit less now that you've you've
kind of mastered it, but like how many hours were you doing in the
early days to to to like get to the knowledge that you've got
now? got now? got now? I'd say probably like eight to 10 hours
a day. So, I would trade for around three to four hours. I'm a
big believer of taking time off of trading around lunch hours
because well, I mean it depends on everyone's system. For me
personally, I noticed like as I was journaling my trades, my worst
trades came during lunch hours because there was, you know, no
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volume. The market wasn't really moving too much. So, I
like to kind of take time off then and have like a a set routine of
what I do with my day. So, most of my day looks like, you know, I
wake up two hours or an hour and a half before the open. I make sure
I know exactly which stocks I'm looking at and my exact plan
for the day. If anything triggers off my plan or my list, I'll
take the trade. If not, you know, I'll skip it and then I come
back for power hour to trade that as well if there's anything
that sets up. And then after that I journal all my
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trades right after the close and then I do my nightly scans
and that's something that's non-negotiable to me. I always
have to be prepared for the day that comes, right? If I can't
do my preparation, I don't trade because what that leads
usually for, you know, most traders, obviously every single person
is different, but when I don't have preparation, I feel like
I'm truly lost in the market because there's so much going
on and when you're trying to like wing it and you don't
know exactly what you want to look for and you're kind of just
like on the spot, it leads to a lot of emotional decisions and a lot
of emotional mistakes and
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bad trades for me at least. So, that's why I always make
sure I'm I'm super prepared. But yeah, I I was studying
around I'd say like eight to 10 hours a day. Again, I'd
study like the best traders. I'd join their live streams if I
could. I'd watch all the YouTube videos and I was really trying
to soak in all the information and from there just really becoming
the best version of myself because we can look up to many traders.
Like for example, I always wanted to be Qull Maghee. Not sure if
anyone out there knows him, but if you've heard of him.
He's the Swedish Swedish guy, no? Yeah, the Swedish guy. Yeah,
that's
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who I always wanted to be, but I realized you're never
going to be another trader. There's so many great traders out
there, but you you don't want to copy and do exactly 100% what
everyone else is doing. doing. doing. There's these great
traders that you can look up to that have given you a proven edge,
but you have to make a system that like that kind of revolves around
your own personality. So, my personality might be a little bit
different than somebody else and you have to make sure that you are
making your system based off of what you are what your personality
looks like, right? Some people aren't that good at swing
trading or
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they're not that patient. So, how are you going to swing
trade if that's not something that, you know, you can
personally do? You have to build something that works for you based
on a proven edge. proven edge. proven edge. When you think about
your process, you you would obviously read some books because a lot
of the top traders have have have have have produced different uh
different books and then you you've watched a a bunch of the
videos and then when you talk about mapping out your own process,
was that like just watching videos on options or watching learning
the Greeks or anything like that? Like what was your Did you have
any kind of
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process of things that you did to just expand your knowledge
of the whole area? Was it like studying indicators, studying the
Greeks, studying gamma, anything like that? Yeah, I'll say a
big reason why I've been able to like expand my knowledge base
so much is, you know, books are great, but being actively involved
in the market every single day is the best teacher in my opinion.
Like the market is the best teacher and if you're actively
involved and if you're studying and if you are, you know,
approaching the market in terms of letting it teach you and not
trying to, you know, always beat the market, it is honestly the best
teacher. So, I'm always
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learning. To be completely honest with you, like I'm I
never say I mastered anything in trading. To me like I'm always
learning new things. There's always more I can learn and
there's always things I think I can personally improve at and I
think the market teaches me that every single day. Is it just a case
of being extremely curious to be like that didn't work, it
should have worked. I'm going to look into all of the reasons
of why it didn't or why it might not have the same. Is it just
being super curious and let like like do do you dig into the SEC
filings? You look a lot into dilution and stuff or
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any 10 Qs, 10 Ks, stuff like that? To be honest, no. Like my
whole career what I've really focused on was technical
analysis. Of course, you know, I wanted to understand and be curious
and I am curious about, you know, fundamental analysis and company
earnings and things like that and things that I should be looking
for, but but but many of the best traders that I learned from
always, you know, said focus on whatever the chart is doing because
at the end of the day a lot of times you know, doesn't always
necessarily happen, but a lot of times price action precedes
whatever news is going to happen because these institutions usually
should have an
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idea of what's going to happen or how the earnings look
like and things like that and they load into names or they sell
names, right? So, we can see that within the price action and see
that reflected. But yeah, to be honest, I've always been a very
like curious kid. I've, you know, I've loved math my whole
life and that's something that is kind of correlated with the
financial markets and just understanding how price action moves and
why price moves the way that it does, the different patterns that
repeat over time in the market because, you know, the market moves
move based on human emotions and at the end of the day it's all
patterns
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that repeat because of, you know, human psychology and
that's kind of things that I've studied and and looked at
a lot. In terms of your discipline, is it something that you've
already had like innate from birth or is it something that
you've had to learn and if so, how? >> [laughter]
>> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah, so to be
completely honest with you, that was probably the only thing that
was really holding me back in my first few years. I had the worst
probably discipline out of any anyone that I've, you know,
talked to when it comes to trading. I'd average down on, you
know, losers until, you know, they were zero. I would never
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respect my stop loss. But to be completely honest with you,
what got me to the point of understanding like I need to actually be
able to do things the right way is just being tired of making the
same mistake. I got honestly tired of losing and making the same
mistake over and over and over again and I told myself if I
can't do this right, why even do it in in the first place,
right? So, give myself a chance to even to even give this a a chance
to do things the right way because trading will never work if you
don't give it the chance to do it the right way and do things
the
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way that, you know, should be done and using an actual system
and managing your risk. If you're, you know, full porting every
single trade into options, you're more likely than not
eventually you're going to just take a big loss and wipe out
everything that you made. So, you have to be able to do things
consistently and focus on longevity. This is something we were
talking about, right? Like a lot of people will make money, but then
they'll lose it all because they don't focus on the long
term up trading. up trading. up trading. Yeah, and the the thing is
like it's it's tough cuz you first couple of years when
you don't know if you've
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got an edge or not. If you don't know if your strategy
works or not, you just want to win to feel like you can do it. But
once you've got enough experience and you know what makes
money, you're just like I don't want to put all this
effort in just to just to just to just to lose. Like just to like
cuz with a lot of trades, if especially when you short and stuff
like that, you cover nine times out of 10, the stock drops, you
would have made the money by averaging up nine times out of 10. But
on the 10th time, you lose 20 times worth of losses. So like
you've just got
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to learn that you're going to cover. It's going to
go back to where you were. You would have made money, but it
doesn't doesn't matter because that's that's not
the long-term profitability. Exactly. And if you can't be
long-term profitable, it doesn't you know, a thing really
matters in that in in in that case. case. case. It's exactly
the same as roulette as well. If you've ever played roulette
and you just um put £5 on black, you lose. You put £10 on black or
$10 on black, you lose. And you keep on doubling and doubling and
doubling. Eventually, you're going to make the $5. But one day,
you're going to lose a hundred a hundred thousand
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dollars when it goes black 20 times. It's the same
thing. But you you've been talking about technical analysis. I
would love you to break down some of your charts. your charts. your
charts. Yeah. And some of your thought processes. And look, at the
end of the day, you've made $500,000 when the stock market is
crashing. So like I'd love to see how you're making money
when where most people aren't. Most people are losing
everything right now. 100%. So let me share my screen here. Get into
it. So um I'll I'll first of all kind of review a little
bit of my thought process on volume and kind of you know, you were
asking me a
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little bit about that and how I look at the volume in terms
of understanding you know, institutional um moves. And then we can
look at some of the more recent moves in the market and kind of
break that down. Uh but when it comes to just understanding you
know, how the market is going to move and the actual trends within
the market, a lot of it I break down to the volume, right? So when a
stock starts to set up within a big base like this, I'll start
to look if there's any kind of you know, ignition volume.
Meaning if there's anything out of the ordinary that starts to
pop up. And this is a
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a big trade that I had in uh 2024 with Tesla. Tesla. Tesla.
Um Um Um and a lot of it was based on the fact that it had a really
really nice volume candle here post earnings. So these are usually
called like post earnings gap plays where the stock gaps up on
earnings. But you could start to notice like like like the volume is
just incredibly high right here, right? When it when a stock gaps
up. But after that is where it matters more, right? So I look at
what happens after price has a big volume move. Does it start
pulling back on incredibly high volume or does the volume start to
reduce like this,
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right? That is what I look for. So it's pretty much like
a pattern like on a chart, but within the volume. So there's
very high volume obviously after the earnings, this thing kind of
pops up, and then it pulls back and sets up within this flag on very
low volume. The volume is very low. And now what what that tells me
is right here we had institutional buying. And here institutions did
not sell out of their position because if they would have, it would
have reflected within the volume. And then what really confirms that
is when the volume comes back in after the stock makes the next leg,
right? Because the volume is incredibly high
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again as the stock starts to break out. So this is one that I
bought right a name that I bought right here into the moving
averages and then obviously I was able to catch this pretty nice
trend. And then I want to show you as well um when when the stock
starts to top, you'll notice the volume patterns also start to
change as well, right? And that can kind of show you that
institutions are selling out of their position. So notice here, you
know, as the stock is going up, right? The volume on the sell side
is also going higher at the near the highs right here. And
that's what tells me all right that
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this thing probably wants to start reversing the other way.
other way. other way. And then from there, you know, if you look at
the volume, every single high volume candle is mainly on the sell
side until you get you know, this big low that happens here and then
the volume patterns you know, kind of change. So the volume patterns
are always changing on a stock, but if you can start to notice them,
you know, earlier on when they start to shift, you can kind of get
an idea like okay, Tesla here near the highs might be setting up to
go lower on a break, you know, out of this leg right here. And then
from
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there comes the momentum within the stock, right? And
that's kind of what I look for. So you know, this is not
something that I just go blindly based off of if I see it, but
it's something that sets up within the momentum of a stock. So
if a stock starts to break out and make a big move, I'm always
looking at the volume patterns and seeing okay, if it's setting
up on lower volume like this and then can it continue to go higher
and is the volume supporting the move? And then from there, you
know, the other way as well. So I was also able to catch Tesla on
the short side on this move
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because while it was setting up, you could see the volume was
higher on the sell side coming, you know, down out of this move
right here. And then as it was breaking down, volume was pretty high
as well. So that's kind of how I personally uh break down the
volume patterns. Yeah, it's very clever. It's it's
something I've never I've never heard anyone ever say this
before. I've never seen it and it's probably quite a
common way, but I've never heard anyone say it before in in 10
years. Really? Really? Really? Yeah, I know. I've never heard
it. I mean this is something that I this is something that I kind of
learned from Anna
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Coulling. So a lot of her like volume analysis volume
analysis volume analysis um stuff and kind of just figuring out all
right, where you know, the volume comes in and how it kind of
creates effort versus result in a stock. So if there's you
know, a lot of volume obviously and the stock closes at the highs,
that's obviously a good thing. If you know, there's a lot
of volume and the stock doesn't really move, there's not a
lot of you know, result versus the effort within the volume. So it
kind of helps you look at you know, how a stock is is is uh is
moving and if there's juice behind the move that is
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potentially going to you know, set up. And then from there,
all I like to do is just try to play the trends, right? So if a
stock is going higher like this, sets up into the moving averages,
goes sideways, low volume consolidation, I look to catch the next
continuation leg to the upside. That is pretty much the system
whenever of course the market gives you you know, bigger moves.
Whenever the market starts to chop like it's been now, um um um
well of course now, you know, we're getting a little bit more
resolution to the downside, but when it was chopping, I had to start
kind of figuring out how can I make money when
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the market's not really moving? really moving? really
moving? Right? Because it's easy to make money when everything
is moving and you're getting big moves side to the upside or
the downside. But how can you actually make money within a range?
And this is when I started to implement um me well what I what I
call mean reversions. I mean it's a very simple concept.
It's just you know, an undercut of a specific level and then a
fail a failure to break that that level to the downside or the
upside. So it's kind of basically like a failed breakout. And
this is called like a you know, undercut and rally. So this is where
a lot
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of my main kind of trades have been this month. Um just
looking at potentially for example, you know, we have a uh this is
on the Nasdaq right here. The Nasdaq's going down four days in
a row into this level right here and it takes out this level and it
traps a lot of you know, late sellers right here. Some buyers get
stopped out cuz they're using these lows. And then we get a
mean reversion the other way into the moving averages. And then the
same thing, you know, the other way. So you reject the moving
averages, you make a big move down, and then you come back into this
low, you take out the
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low, and then you reverse again. Right? So that's kind
of what I call like the undercut and rally. So you undercut a big
level of support or resistance and then price is able to get back
through that and set up for a kind of reversal move on the other
side. And then when the market, you know, started breaking out of
its range, I realized all right, well obviously now we have to focus
on the downside move, right? So when the Nasdaq was trying to break
down, um this to me told me we should probably be looking to flip to
the short side on this move here. And and with the with the mean
reversion strategy,
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are you trading those with options? options? options? Yes. So
I what I realized is of course obviously the options give you some
leverage um and I was trying to I was trying to trade them with
shares, but a lot of times I just wasn't getting like much
traction, right? So I'd have like, you know, a 5 10 15% move,
but the next day the move would fizzle out. But with the options,
because the premiums were pretty mispriced at the lows on the call
side, I was able to catch some pretty nice, you know, moves the
other way, but also the premiums were very cheap as well. So
whenever, you know, let's say the Nasdaq right
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here this day, we made a uh new low and then we had a UNR, um
the call premiums at the end of the day were, you know, pretty high
at that point because a lot of people were starting to look at the
premiums and they, you know, got you know, they got stronger because
obviously we have a lot of fear down here. People are mispricing the
options and then when the stock makes a big move up, everyone is
looking to potentially get into that option. So is that just a case
of literally buying a an options call? And you say exactly so And
that's it. Like uh it would a one day I I play
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in the zero DTAs or DTAs or DTAs or No, so usually what I
play is about one to two weeks out. Um and I'm looking at this
for like specific uh individual stocks as well, right? So it's
not necessarily like right on the Nasdaq, um but I'm looking at
the Nasdaq from like a top-down approach. So I'm always looking
to see all right, is the market putting in that UNR? And when it is,
what I'm looking to do is buy basically the strongest stocks on
relative uh on weakness in the market. So for I'll give you a
great example. This stock right here, Dell, had that, you know, big
gap up on earnings. It had
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a pretty nice setup. And all I was looking to see is is the
market going to give us an undercut on this day, Tuesday, March
10th. It ends up, you know, taking out this low. The individual
stock does as well. And then this allows me to, you know, buy it
right here as a UNR and then swing it for multiple days to catch
that big move. What's U&R? Just for everyone who
doesn't know. Yeah, uh it's undercut and rally. So,
basically you want a stock uh breaks a key level. So, it could be
like, you know, swing low, it could be the gap low, and then it
reclaims it. So, it's basically like a failed
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breakdown to the downside. Yeah, and you can see your volume
profile as exactly what you were saying before where you've got
the big institutional volume level and then not not no one's
really selling or it's much less volume. Is that Is that a
similar pattern? pattern? pattern? Yeah, so this I I would say like
the the the the the volume pattern here isn't as clean as like
the Tesla example that I showed, but yeah, you do have the big, you
know, gap up here on volume. And then, you know, the sell-side move
is on very low volume, right? Usually you like to see some more
volume come back in as the stock goes higher. Um
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but that's the volume that you're looking for. So,
always higher volume, you know, when the stock starts to ignite and
then lower volume when it starts to pull back and then it could set
you up for a pretty nice entry. Yeah, that's uh it's a
really interesting approach. interesting approach. interesting
approach. Um do you have Do you have more examples? You were saying
that you're going to show a top some top stocks of the big uh
moves or But yeah. >> Yep, so I'll go over the exact
trade that that I took so I can kind of give you guys an idea of
exactly what I'm looking for. Um so, this was the um um
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um setup that I was looking at on USAR. This was my second
biggest trade of the year. Yeah, what I'm looking for is
obviously the stock to start trending, right? So, this is the daily
chart on USAR. It starts to make a big move up off of this low, goes
higher, and then sets up within that base. But because the market
has been, you know, extremely choppy, especially in the last few
months, and especially, you know, like February was pretty choppy uh
before we had the big breakdown the last week or so, all I was
looking for was to enter some of these strong names on a U&R.
So, an undercut and reclaim. So, what
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I'm looking for is instead of buying them on the
breakout because usually, you know, I trade momentum and I trade
breakouts when the market is very strong, when the market is choppy,
what I realized was I have to take my entries near the lows because
a lot of times new new highs and breakouts just get sold and then we
get new lows, right? So, uh instead, what I what I was looking for
was an undercut of the previous day's low. So, this example
right here, you can see you have like a kind of bull flag setting
up. A lot of people would buy this breakout right here. I bought the
day before on the U&R
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of the previous day's low. So, you mark out the previous
day's low, and then you wait for the stock to break under that
low and reclaim it. What that does is it traps sellers at the lows,
and then it reverses, you know, the other way pretty strongly. And
then you can also The reason why I love buying U&Rs is you can
put a very tight stop at the low of day. So, my stop loss always
goes to low of day. I take a pretty small risk as long as the stock
is, you know, pretty close to the low. And then And then And then I
have a pretty good risk to reward if, you know,
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the stock does end up making a pretty big move in my
direction like this, this, this, um I catch a pretty big, you know,
reversal without much risk because, you know, my risk is always
going to be the low of day on the reversal that happens. So, this is
how the daily chart looks, and then my entries are always going to
be on the lower time frame. So, I use the lower time frames to
enter, and you could see right here is exactly um how the entry
looks. So, this is the level, which is the previous day's low.
The stock ends up taking out that low right here, and then right
when it starts to
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reclaim and get back above the previous day's low is
going to be my entry right here, and then the stop goes to low of
day. So, it's pretty much like a, you know, a break below level
and then a reclaim. And the moment I get that, that is where usually
a big move the other way happens, and you're you're always
taking such a small risk cuz you can you have a defined level,
right? That's the main thing that I look for within my trading.
I I'm always looking for for for okay, which level can I take a
big position on with a very tight risk. So, at the end of the day,
you know, I
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can have 10, 15, 20% of my account in a trade, but I'm
really only risking about 1 to 2% of the account if I get stopped
out. And then, as long as I have enough cushion, so by the end of
the day, let's say if the trade works and it, you know, closes
somewhere near the high, as long as I have enough cushion, I end up
swinging the position, and then I try to look for it to, you know,
continue to run in the direction of the overall trend. So, obviously
here for this example, the trend was a move to the upside. upside.
upside. Um is there any reason I mean, I can understand how
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in a bullish market finding breakouts is a lot easier than
finding the U&Rs, but uh is there any reason why you don't
trade the U&Rs in a bullish market? That's a great
question. That's probably like one of the most common questions
that I get whenever I like talk about U&Rs. Um what I've
noticed is that, of course, if there's a good U&R setup,
I'll take it, but when the market has a lot of momentum, what
ends up happening is the best stocks don't give you way back
in. So, a lot of times you don't have those U&Rs, right?
Because if the market is strong, a stock is not going to break a
previous, you know,
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range low. It's actually just going to set up and give
you more so like a high tight flag like this than like a, you know,
one that breaks and then goes higher like that. So, it's just
kind of like break out and then you'll have it'll have a
lot of momentum. momentum. momentum. Yeah, it's smart. Yeah, so
you trade them it's it's very it's very I've
I've I've I've interviewed a lot of people. I've
I've had so many strategies and what comes to me is like
it's it's so simple, but it's so smart at the same
time. And like what you're doing is not It's what
you're doing is not Elon Musk rocket science. Like
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it's not It's not Elon Musk rocket science. But
it's like such a smart structured process, and you've
obviously got a lot of discipline behind it, and it's all
logical. But um recently you've been making a lot of money to
the downside then. So, how does How would you How would the strategy
change then? And by the way, thank you so much for being so
transparent with you. Thank you so much for being so transparent. I
mean, it's it's incredible incredible the value. It's
incredible the value that you're giving. So, the community say
a thank you. Say a thank you to Shawn. Please comment thank you,
Shawn, in the comments if you're grateful for this cuz
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he's giving insane value. Totally. Yeah, if I can help,
you know, just one person, that makes my day. That's the most
important thing to me. But going up back to what you were saying, um
saying, um saying, um what I usually look for to the downside is
just the exact opposite of that, right? So, you can have an undercut
to the to, you know, to the downside, and you can also have an
undercut to the upside. So, I'll show you an example on uh uh
uh JP Morgan right here, which is another trade that I took. Um you
can have a kind of break of a previous day's high, and then the
stock will, you
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know, get back through that previous day's high, and
then it will set you up for the short side as well, right? So,
it's basically like a failed breakout the other way. So, for
this example, um this is a short that I took on uh JP Morgan right
here on this day. It was setting up into the moving averages. It was
clearly downtrending, right? Most important thing, you have to you
have to understand okay, we're trying to play the trend, right?
I'm not looking at any countertrend moves. My idea is I want to
play within the trend of whatever this the market is moving, and
obviously the last few weeks market's been downtrending. Um
banks have
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been incredibly weak. If you look at XLF, it's been one
of the weakest sectors in the market. Um there's been a lot of,
you know, talks about the uh the private credit um issues that we
have right now. So, banks have been, you know, a little bit on on on
a on a weaker move, and I was looking to see okay, how can I get
into a bank to the downside without having to buy the breakdown?
Because if you look at this chart, it's so choppy, right? And
this is how the market has been moving. It's been very
incredibly hard to buy breakdowns or buy breakouts because it's
just been, you know, you make a
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little small move and then things just start chopping. So,
what I was looking for was to see if I can get a previous high day,
you know, break like this, and then take that as a short, and then
play the gap down. So, obviously, you know, by the end of the day,
this gives me cushion. I'm able to swing it, and then this day
gaps down. I'm able to catch a pretty nice 2-day move. And, you
know, some of you might might be watching this and saying, well,
this is like, you know, pretty small move on on JP Morgan, and
that's where, you know, the options come in. So, I'm able
to catch, you know,
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5% move on the stock, which if I was shorting it, you know,
with just uh you know, just a short, uh you know, it wouldn't
be, you know, the the best trade ever. But with options, I'm
able to capture a 120, 150% move on this on the short. Yeah. Um
I'm a little bit I'm a little bit mind-blown. Basically
I've made half a million in the last month just just following
these strategies. Yeah, just following these strategies and just
trading with whatever, you know, trend the market is giving me. Um
whenever we were chopping a little bit, I was focusing more on
undercuts to the uh you know, the the undercuts to the downside and
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then reversing the other way. But now that the market is
clearly in a downtrend, I've been looking to just short
anything that I can get my hands on. So, for example, today, if you
look at gold, um it actually set up exactly what we just talked
about. So, this is a a new short that I took on gold. Um it's
been downtrending, right? It kind of bounced into the EMA, the 8
EMA. And notice what it does today. So, it takes out um the previous
day's high. So, this is Friday's high. And then if you
look at the lower time frames, you know, it takes out the high and
then trades back through. That's your
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entry. And then you have such an incredibly small risk by
putting your stop loss at high of day, you're able to catch
this move down. And if you have cushion by the end of the day,
I'm swinging the position. So, you know, of course, it can it
might, you know, take me out tomorrow, but as long as I have the
cushion, um I have enough, you know, uh of a safety net to swing it.
And now if it gives me a multi-day trend, um I have pretty good risk
to reward on this idea. But But like do you need with gold, do you
need a fundamental reason to think like X and Y and Z
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is happening or oil's going higher, it's making the
US dollar higher, so probably gold. Is it like do you have a
fundamental reason? Yeah, so I was looking at the dollar DXY and the
dollar breaking out is obviously putting pressure on a lot of the
metals. Um and that's the reason why I mean if you look at the
correlation between DXY, so if you there's GLD, you could see
you know the dollar has been going higher while while gold's
been you know going lower, so that the correlation has been uh you
know dollar kind of pushing higher here and that's obviously
helping my thesis today. So I saw the the the dollar was starting to
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break out and if you look at the weekly, I mean this is looks
like a pretty you know nice breakout happening here on the dollar.
So if the dollar keeps pushing higher um to me it tells me you know
gold might want to go lower and obviously gold also had a little bit
of like a parabolic top here here here um on this move down. Yeah, I
know it's um it's it's I can completely understand
everything you're saying because I've been looking at the
gold a lot and and for me it was a battle between uh is there too
much inflation? inflation? inflation? It's oil's going
higher and higher and higher but and there's this
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thing is is there going to be too much inflation in the
economy or is the is the uh job market going to be too weak and we
don't know or is it going to be both and you're going to
get stagflation? Like that's the that's the million dollar
question for question for question for by the Fed. I've been
curious about gold because I saw bonds, I don't know if you
look at that bonds like the 10-year bond yield yield yield dropped
about 2 and 1/2% a day and I thought if bonds are if the bond yield
is dropping 2 and 1/2% a day because everyone's buying bonds,
that means that as the yield drops, there's
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less um there's less interest that people are making.
Maybe the gap between inflation and and bond yield profit is only
about 1 and 1/2 2% now, so I thought people would move to gold but
then you've got the you've got the then you've got
the US dollar going higher and higher because of the oil. Maybe
it's it's kind of two counterweights. I wasn't sure
which way it would go. I don't know if you've got an
opinion on it. Um to be completely honest, like to me is whenever I
find a correlation that I have seen happen multiple times, so
I've always looked at dollar and I've looked at gold,
right? To me it if the
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dollar goes up, gold is always going to be weaker and over
the last few years, the dollar has been getting absolutely crushed,
especially the last year or so, which has helped a lot of the
precious metals go higher uh gold silver. And now that the dollar is
kind of rallying off the low, that tells me all right, that's
all I need to know, gold feels like it's a little bit extended.
And the thing is, you know, I I could see gold going higher in the
future but because the way the chart looks the way that it does and
the analysis that I personally learned, to me it tells me, okay,
this was a blow-off top
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move and it got too extended too fast and now it's
probably going to want to pull back to the weekly moving averages
and then set up a bigger base, right? All these moves on gold have
came based off of these big base breakouts and it just doesn't
have a big base anymore. base anymore. base anymore. Yeah, yeah,
completely see what what you're saying and and it's almost
like the other negative for gold is the fact that we were going to
get all of these rate cuts before the war started. We were going to
get the rate cuts, gold was preparing for the rate cuts. Once we get
the rate cuts there's more money in the
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economy, the US dollar devalues, gold's cheaper and
it's worth more. It's it's a better hedge but all of
that flew off the table. table. table. Which is and and I don't
know if you know this but um the other crazy thing about gold is
that um um um countries like Turkey Turkey because oil is so
expensive, it doesn't have any money anymore because it's
having to pay in more money from from its government to buy the more
expensive oil and it doesn't have the money, so the only thing
it has that it can sell can sell can sell is gold. Yeah. And then
you've got um and I know the Middle Eastern countries,
they've got
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to balance the the US dollar. dollar. dollar. So the likes of
um um um the likes of Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Oman, Qatar, these
countries they've got to they spend a lot of dollars and they
normally get dollars in from the oil but they're not selling
oil anymore, so they're not getting any US dollars in anymore
but they have to make sure they balance the the currency with the
peg that they've got. US dollar versus dirham for example the
dirham. So the only thing that they can sell to get more dollars is
gold. So that has been also it's a macro factor that's
been leading the gold. Something something interesting that I
thought I'd share. So
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I can provide a little bit of the value that you're
providing. Um No, totally and and I mean again it it it uh touching
on what you said, I mean if you look at some of the volume patterns
on on on GLD um you'll see that you know they kind of support
what you were saying, right? Like there's bigger selling on the
on the sell side than there has been on the buy side. You know,
other than this uh day right here, the the the selling has been
pretty much you know much higher, so that goes into like the volume
patterns that I personally look for. Um seeing who has control of
price right now.
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now. now. Yeah, and it's it's whenever it pops, you
just get the major you keep on getting the major sell-offs. Yeah,
it's fascinating stuff. Do you have a do you have one more
chart to share? And I know we're coming up on a quarter of an
hour right now. I don't want to I don't want to keep you
forever but Let's do one more. >> value, yeah. This is uh
I wanted to go over this one cuz it was my biggest trade um of the
year, so over 174,000 on one trade. And um this is probably what set
me up for such a good month and this was uh kind of being early to
looking
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at the rotation within the market in terms of you know
leaders going into potential weakness. So obviously WDC has been one
of the strongest stocks in the market. Um and Oh sorry, this is the
yeah, this is the trade so here uh on the sharing. Um WDC has been
one of the strongest stocks in the market and uh MU has been one of
the strongest stocks, SNDK, right? STX, a lot of like this memory
theme has been incredibly strong and what I started to notice on the
daily time frame was these were starting to you know roll over,
right? And again, looking at the volume patterns, they were looking
like we were going to see
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a potential uh kind of exit out of these stocks and this is
called you know distribution, most people call distribution, where
the stock fails to break out and then now it's starting to you
know roll over the other way. So I started noticing early on that
WDC, MU, SNDK, they were they started to fail to make new highs and
if a stock is really going to go higher, right? Like if you look at
the trend of SNDK or sorry at WDC WDC WDC it's you know been
uptrending for the last year probably making massive moves but every
single time it's broken out, it's it's made a move
higher, right? And over the last few weeks,
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I noticed, all right, well it wasn't really making new
highs. Every time it tried to break this high right here, it was
failing to break that high and then it started to get under the
moving averages. So it got under the eight and the 21 EMAs, which
are moving averages I use a lot in on the daily chart to kind of
look at the momentum within the market. And when I started noticing
you know that they were breaking under the moving averages, so we
can add that right here. Um that is when I started to look for a
potential rollover on this on the stock, right? And then I used uh
you know that rejection
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idea to get short on this. So I didn't have it
didn't have that you know uh kind of undercut that we were
talking about or the break above the previous high but what it did
have was it was retesting into the um into the nine EMA or the eight
EMA. And then from there, I was able to use what I call 15-minute
pivot. So this is a completely like you know brand new concept and
[snorts] I'll just touch on it I'll touch on it in a
second because this is also something that's helped me a lot um
over the over the over the over the last few weeks. Um is using a
pivot before buying.
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So what I mean by that is you're looking at let's
say you know if you're looking a short or if you're
looking a long, a lot of people like to guess, okay, a stock is
going to you know go down, it's just going to reverse like
because it has to be the bottom, right? Like you can't get in
cheaper. But what I look for is I look for at least uh price action
to confirm that a reversal is going to be taking place. So what I
like to call this is you know 15-minute or a 30-minute pivot and why
15 or 30 is because you can use either one of those time frames but
it
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gives you enough time to see that the other side gain control
to know that a stock might be actually reversing. So reversing. So
reversing. So it the concept's incredibly simple. You're
looking at the first red 15-minute candle after a stock made a big
move up into a resistance level. So for this example, the we had the
nine EMA on the underside and the 21 EMA was above price as well and
all I was looking for was to confirm, okay, the stock was going to
reject, right? And it ended up putting in the first 15-minute red
candle right here. I mark out the low low low and I mark out the
high of the 15-minute candle
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and then I buy right as the stock breaks the 15-minute candle
low, right? And that was obviously on the short side, so I was
playing puts on this idea. idea. idea. And I was looking to short it
because it just broke on the daily the eight 21 EMAs and it was
rolling over and then I got the 15-minute pivot right into the
moving average. And again, very similar to the undercut or the you
know rejection off the high that we were looking at, you have such
good risk reward because all I'm doing is I'm putting my
stop loss at the high of the 15-minute candle. So that's why I
mark out the high and the
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low and then I end up buying right here. And then on this
idea I actually added more, right? When it retested the 15-minute
candle pivot, so these two are my entries right here. I ended up
taking a short, I added back into this and then obviously if you
look at the you know daily chart, this thing ends up gapping down
nine or 10% the next day and ends up being an absolutely massive
trade. Now, you know a lot of people are going to say, you know,
well that's luck and stuff like that. Of course, in trading you
do need to put yourself in a position to get lucky. So my goal,
right? I'm never always
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going to be right. You know, my win rate is like 60%.
It's not anything incredibly crazy. But, what I do really good
or what I try to do really good is I give myself the opportunity to
get into the right, you know, positions before the move actually
does happen. So, I like to look for clues that things are going to
be, you know, working in my direction. So, for example, the market
was starting to break down when I was looking to trade this to the
short side and it had, you know, the volume patterns that we were
talking about was breaking the key moving averages. And now I'm
now I'm now I'm telling myself, "How
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can I get into the short position cuz I think this stock is
probably going to, you know, absolutely crater and make new lows and
roll over off the highs." It's an incredible an incredibly
simple analysis, but completely true and and I I think I like to I
like to think There's a saying probably all over the world.
It'll be in America as well as England, but um you you you make
your own luck, right? I'd like to think that for me I would say
I'd like to think I can make my own luck. I can put myself in
the positions where I'll allow myself to get lucky and I'm
lucky more times than I'm unlucky
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when the probability is on my side and And that's
that's what I'm always trying to do with trading. The
thing is like I'm 30, you're How old? 23? 23. 23. 23. 23.
Thing is what? I'm 38 and like like like and I can understand
fully all of the concepts that you're talking about and what
you're saying and I've been I've been I've been
on the planet long enough to to understand. But, for you to know
this level and and and not not only do you have this level of
knowledge, you also executing also executing also executing based on
this knowledge. Because what what what what what what we're
doing now is hindsight, right? Yeah. executed
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this and you've seen it before as well. as well. as
well. Which to me is just totally insane. It's totally totally
totally insane that a 23-year-old can do this. So, the question is
like how how can someone else do someone else do this? It seems like
you've achieved a a high bar. And if so, how? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, that's something that I
always ask myself when I first got into trading. Like, can I
actually can I actually do this? Like, is this something that is
actually possible, right? And I've seen people like, you know,
myself coming on to this to this podcast um that were able to do it.
And that
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honestly is what gave me the motivation. You know, if someone
else can do it, I always thought to myself, "Why can't I
put myself in a position to do the exact same thing?" It's
not going to be easy. It's going to be incredibly hard, but
that's what makes it worth it, right? The the hardest things in
life are the most rewarding. And to me, kind of cracking that
cracking that uh I guess, you know, I'll call it the game,
quote unquote, of trading is what was my kind of like of like of
like what what I thought my purpose was. Like, I wanted to make sure
that I am the best at this. Like, I'm
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incredibly competitive and I wanted to be, you I still
obviously have a way long longer way to go from Uh Uh Uh but I want
to be as good as possible at what I do. So, if you truly love
looking at charts, if you truly love trading, if you truly love
everything that goes, you know, around uh you know, the markets, you
you you can't, you know, lose because you love what you do and
you love looking at things every single day and eventually something
is going to, you know, click for you. And all you have to do is make
sure you're trading, of course, the right strategy and it does
have an actual edge.
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And then from there, you have to, you know, as simple as
stick to it. And I love what you were saying earlier, you know, a
lot of the things that I talk about are simple. That's exactly
how I want my trading to be. I want it to be simple because that
means it's repeatable. I can do it for, you know, months and
years because I'm not looking for, you know, some crazy uh kind
of moves in the market. All I'm looking to do is uh repeat my
strategy almost every single day if there's a setup there and
then just let the rest, you know, play out. Yeah, but I think I
think with you you're
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you're very very in tune with all like like like a lot
of traders who learn and some might make money and then lose it and
stuff like that. They're all very into one niche. So, someone
will get really into microcap stocks. They'll learn how to
short them. And then and they'll learn the technicals and the
patterns and the the typical percentages and and this stock 84% of
the time when it gaps up this percent, it does this. But, then
patterns change, the market changes, but you're very in tune
with like like like you're very in tune with the market in
general. general. general. So, you're not going to make money
for 2 years on one
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pattern and then then lose because you're literally
following the market on a macro level. Yeah. I I I >> And I
think that, you know, this year being able to adapt to what the
market was throwing at me was something incredibly challenging, but
um it it it totally to me like if I didn't trade in these
conditions, maybe later down the line I would have not known how to,
you know, approach them. So, I think it's always good to get
the experience like I was saying earlier from the market and just
let the market teach me what is happening. And from there, all
I'm trying to do is just figure out what continues to repeat
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within the market because over time the market, you know,
repeats these patterns because it's human psychology. And
I'm looking to see if I can exploit those. Sometimes
there's exploitable patterns, sometimes there's no edge at
all in something and you have to just, you know, kind of tweak and
see what works. But, yeah, I think I think you nail it when you you
just got to be intensely passionate to to to to care enough to look
and at the fact that you might be trading uh trading uh trading uh
you you've kind of got knowledge across all sectors and
commodities and and the overall markets across options and equities
and futures. You mastered You I'm not
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going to say mastered cuz I know you don't like that,
but you've gotten in-depth knowledge if across everything. Do
you have any final words or any piece of advice for for anyone else
to replicate this? I I think what you've done is totally
amazing, by the way. I think it's I think it's incredible
what the level you've achieved. So, well done for that. But, uh
and please anyone comment below as well. We will we will read these.
Check One one thing, shout out for your YouTube channel cuz I know
if anyone wants to know more about Sean, you've got a YouTube
channel. Uh you're on X. Yeah, so I'm on Twitter and
I'm on uh
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a lot of my content's on YouTube. So, similar to this, I
break down, you know, uh my strategies. I break down some things
that I use and what a little bit, you know, more in detail as well.
So, the YouTube is uh just Sean Trades. Well, uh Sean, I just want
to thank you so much for imparting all of this knowledge. It's
it's one of the one of the episodes where I've I've
learned more. I've probably learned more on this episode than
episode than episode than maybe any other episode. So, I really
value your your feedback and you and you doing this and and um and
if you have any last words, I'll I'll leave
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it to you. Uh yeah, thank you so much for uh having me on,
guys. Uh I think it's great what you're doing for the
industry and um I think that anybody that is passionate about, you
know, learning trading, learning trading, learning trading, um
obviously it's an incredibly tough market out there, but just
take it with a grain of salt. It's always good to be, you know,
it's always good to learn when things are challenging because
when the market becomes a little bit easier, that is when you have,
you know, an an edge that could be magnifiable and then you can keep
more of what you make when the market becomes, you know, weaker like
this.
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Thank you, mate. Yep, 100%.
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$9 million verified. >> You want to long on the front
side and then on and then you want to sell your long at the top.
Some of them have good routes. So, um I have like the best route
like here I use Arca. So, that's not a very big number. Like if
it say like 100 billion that might be something big. So, I shorted
it when it went up at the open. It just went apeshit. And they also
have a decent amount of debt. 28 million and they also converted the
debt to shares. So this is a good opportunity for the people. So I
basically look at everything going on. I try to avoid shorting.
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Today we have someone very very special that we're
interviewing. He was broke at 38 years old. Days days days away from
moving back and living with his parents. since made $9 million
verified, 500K in the last 30 days. 100% third party verified on
Kino. We don't interview unverified traders and you can find
him at Aikido Trading Enigma on Kinfo. I hope I said that right. You
can correct me. Um, but today we're going to look at this
specific Aikido trading method and we're also going to run
through his profit curve, review some charts, talking about his
hotkeys. He's actually very open to deliver um some real
examples to try and give back and help after
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he's made after he's made all of this money. So
without further ado, how are you are you are you >> doing?
Great. Thanks, Stephen. >> Adam, uh broke at 38 years old.
That must be incredibly I how did you go broke at 30 years old?
That's the first question I've got for you. >> Yeah,
it was terrible. Um yeah, I to summarize it. Um, basically, um, I
was I was kind of I used to be a professional poker player when I
was like, you know, young younger living in Los Angeles. And so then
I, um, I decided I was kind kind of tired of playing poker and I
wanted to get into the stock market.
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So, um, so I I got my, um, while I was playing poker, I got
my CFA exam, CFA designation. And then um I moved to New York City
to um you know to get experience with with hedge funds or mutual air
funds and you know work work in New York City. And so um at that
time I um basically lost all my poker winnings in the stock market.
You know I lost everything from from trading you know just like kind
of shooting my shooting in the dark. And um so I had a couple
analyst roles in New York City. Um I worked for you know a couple
funds. Um, one of them was, um, you
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know, Martin Skrilly's biotech fund. So, I learned
about, you know, biotech from working for him. And, um, and then and
then I from there, um, I I wasn't really that good in the
corporate setting. Um, you know, I didn't have great social
skills and I just wasn't really it wasn't really my thing.
So, I started my own business of research. I was doing my own
research on stocks, small cap stocks and I would sell my research to
um you know hang out with individuals and you know and hedge funds
as well. And at that at that time I was publishing on Seeking Alpha.
You know right now I have my my own website for that.
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But from there um I I I moved out of New York City because I
was paying like you know a lot of the time for like a tiny studio
apartment just one room and plus I wasn't really into the
weather. So I moved to Medigene, Colombia and I was living there and
I was just kind of working on my um my business and um yeah I just
basically end up get getting broke. I mean my business kind of dried
up. Um I just I was losing in trading and so I just basically went
broke. I was getting you know there the cost of living in Med is
very low. Paying like 300 bucks a month
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from my apartment. So you know food's really cheap,
everything's really cheap. So you can live there, you know,
being poor, you can easily live in Medigene in Colombia. And so and
then um what what happened was um I was just about to move with my
parents. I was doing like a little odd jobs on Craigslist, whatever.
And then I just started, you know, started figuring out more. I had
a mentor, which which was from a hedge fund that I was working for.
I was doing research for the hedge funds and and I got a mentor
through him and um I saw the way he was trading and I started just
kind of doing what he
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was trading like I asked him like yeah so this stock this
stock did you short did you short that one he's like yeah do
you short this stock yeah like wow so you shorted all these stocks
and this is like a hedge fun analyst I'm like wow so like okay
so maybe I should try doing the same thing you know short shorting
these these small caps so I started doing doing the same thing and
you know it ended up working and And I kind of divi uh you know
divided my own men my own method and um yeah I want to be a mentor
for people as well who might be struggling with trading. I
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want them to trade my method. You know I'll teach you
because I'm not like a bright a super genius or bright guy or
anything. You know I'm I mean think I think I made most of my
money from my method which you know we'll go over on this show
and through um a ketoradingmethod.com. go on the site there and you
put in your name and email and then I'll I'll shoot you an
email and tell you you know how we can do do the mentorship and you
know help help you help people learn my my strategy my method
>> but but like first I just want to understand so like your
background is in poker
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like do did you go to like university and stuff did you study
anything related to finance or banking or anything like that
I'm just curious like how how did you get into a fund with no
experience >> um no I I did get I graduated from UC Santa
Barbara um 2001 and got my um business uh economics degree and then
like you said I I I got my CFA designation. So that's a good
that's a good that's kind of a right of passage.
That's like a three-year program. Um you got to study like a
thousand hours of study and that gave me a good fundamental basis.
But as you know I mean trading isn't only
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fundamental. I mean that's just a small part of it is
part of it but technicals are more important than fundamentals when
it comes to trading. And then from there, um, well, just from there,
I mean, I got my CFA and then I could work for hedge funds because
they said, "Okay, I got my CFA. That's a that's a big
plus." And so I got some jobs. It was difficult, but I did get
to get get jobs with with a couple different outfits there before I
went on my own after that. >> And and then this uh the hedge
fund contact, did you meet him kind of through the industry uh when
you were in New
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York or >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >>
how did you make that connection? I I I I end up knowing a bunch of
people and I I was distributing my work because I started my own
business, White Diamond Research, and I was selling research to
hedge funds and so I just got made contact just networking through
different hedge funds and that's how people got to know me.
>> Yeah. No, no, I'm just trying to piece this together
because always when it's with Keno, it's kind of a lot of
newer traders as a trader with a couple of years experience and
it's trying to how can they emulate your path? But I guess you
learned
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did you learn the research and analytical skills through
through your time working at funds in New York and then you started
kind of did you start doing that on your own or did you learn that a
different way? >> Yeah. Um basically through through um hedge
funds you know um other also that CFA exam helped a little bit you
know learn how to fundamentally analyze companies and from there um
I just started work with hedge funds you know see how they do and
then I got the mentor like I told you about um the main the hedge
fund analyst that helped me learn how to trade and now I don't
have to work for hedge
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funds anymore I just do my own I just trade my own money I
just do my research for myself and I have one client um you know
he's got I manag like $3 million of his money. He's just a
retired old older guy in Palm Beach, Florida, and I just manage his
money and that's pretty much it. Um, I just do everything else
on my own. >> So, I've actually been to Medigene as well.
It's a beautiful place. But I'm just curious, uh, from
what point did you go from your living in Medigene, your research
business wasn't going too well, and then you've made 910
million trading. Like, what what clicked and changed there? changed
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there? changed there? Well, it was it was the mentor, you
know, the um you know, hedge fund mentor. I started trading, you
know, the way you said, but that but I think sometimes it could just
take a little something small that holds you back with trading.
There might be just some some little thing in your, you know, in
your game that's that's that's holding you back. And
if you just solve that one issue, I think you could make a lot more
money. And the thing also with trading is is exponential, right? So
like if you you could be broke, right? But then the more money you
make, the higher your betting, you know, the the
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bigger your trades, you make even more money and you then
you, you know, make even bigger trades. And so it's just x
minutes. So you can make money really quickly in a really short
amount of time if you have a winning strategy. >> But like
what what's an example of a small thing? Because like they
always say that old thing where like you could be so close to
reaching the gold when you're digging with the axe that you
don't know. It can be that small thing but like for you what
what was a small thing that you changed that just boom it it started
working >> well I'm trying to think what exactly was the
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issue for me um you know I think knowing that I can you know
short short small caps and you know be okay um short a lot of
different small caps and I just saw the way they just constantly
faded after going up on news you know there there was there was that
I just started was was getting better at that um and you know There
was there was, you know, there there was speed bumps along the way,
but um yeah, I mean it was just it was just working. It just worked
worked for a while and I had the the fundamental plus technical um
advantage there. Now, if if you want to take a look
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the um I can share the screen here. Um I'll show you my
what it looked on my Kinfo. So So this was starting back um this is
in 200 uh was it 2020? Yes. So this is 2020. So um yeah, so you can
see here. So it was kind of kind of a struggle here. So um I I
started I started you know making more money that that year in 2020
and uh and uh and uh >> did you make a million dollars then
nearly lose it all again? >> Yeah. So I made looks like I
believe this is just on the camp. Yeah. Made make close to a
million. So then I moved to
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um on January 1st 2021 that's when I moved to Puerto
Rico. So I'm in San Juan Puerto Rico. Um, and I started going I
lost it. It went down to Yeah. I lost it all all all and then from
there what what happened? Like how did you make a million dollars
and lose it in 2021? What what happened, mate? mate? mate? >>
Well, I I think what what would happen was it was just an extremely
bullish time and u I was shorting like with big size and I had a
couple uh shorts that ended up losing me a lot of money like well
quite a few actually. And we can go over it as well
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too. Like recently here you can see I've been losing as
well. Um a lot looks like it looks like I had a draw down probably
close to a million recently. Um not quite a million, maybe half a
million, but then I made it back over the past couple weeks, but
just cuz I just I was just getting caught in these tough tough uh
sectors. And and that's one thing that I'm you know that I
go over in my method. You know, you want to you want to avoid
shorting themes if it's a theme. like back here was the
electric vehicle theme. There was quite a few themes in 2021 is it
was just an extremely
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bullish time at the beginning of 2021 because that was right
when uh when Biden got elected and when there's usually when
there's a new president then it can it can be very very a very
bullish period. And so you can see from there I I ran it up. Um I I
did well I ended up doing well by the end of 2021. Kept running it
up um you know 3.6 million in 2022. 2022 was was bearish. So, you
can see I made more money in the bearish times um because I mostly
short. I'd say 90% of my my trades are short. And um and then
and then from there um it kind of went sideways
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for a while and then you can see I had this really great run
up here. Now that that can be a forboding to disaster because then I
got this one loss here. So what happens when you're when
you're doing really well, you think you're invincible,
right? Like you think you can't lose. So you might go get much
bigger size. And then this was this was a trade here here. This was
a company called TOP. And that was a scheme. And I'll go over
those later. There's themes and schemes. Those can really hurt
your short positions. And a scheme is when a stock is just brought
up artificially. when a bunch of pe a bunch of
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tra uh bunch of insiders get together or it could be you know
just a couple insiders and they just say okay let's just buy up
all the float let's just run the stock up so then we can sell
it later and so they this stock went from like five bucks to like
250 in one day and so I lost a lot of money there because I had a
big investment and I was stubborn with it um and now I I've
changed um especially after this one which I'll show you here
but you can So that was that was uh April 2023 April 2023 April 2023
and then um I I I ran it back up.
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So by September well let's see what about so around I
guess September 2023 I made it all back. So I lost 3.5 million here.
Well I guess maybe 3 million on Kevo. Made it all back by September.
Then I ran it up some more. And then I it looks like I had kind of a
rough period here. And then this one was like a terrible trade here.
I lost a total of $5 million because I um I was managing friends
money and also my own money. So I had and a a lot of accounts went
below zero. This stock was BMR that did this. It went up um a,000%.
And so since then you can
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see I don't that doesn't happen to me anymore. I
I've adjusted my strategy to prevent that from happening. Um,
now I have a stop loss of $200,000. Um, like a max loss. So, um, so
I don't foresee this happening unless it's some crazy
freak situation. But, um, yeah, like my strategy now, I like it
better. I'm more conservative. I took a lot of money out. Like
when I lost all this money here, I had a couple accounts that were
like a million dollars or more and they went to like negative a
million dollars. They went from positive to negative million. So now
I have smaller accounts like I put my money and save for
investments.
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for investments. for investments. Um and I don't have
all my money in, you know, in um the stock market. But at this time
I was just like I just wanted to get rich really fast. I wanted to
put all my money in the stock market. I had too much of my net worth
in trading accounts and so now I'm much more diversified.
I'm much more measured and so I had to adjust my method to be
to be more careful. more careful. more careful. >> Man, like
you must be a man of steel. Like how how on earth can you have the
appetite to to to lose $5 million and then recover? then recover?
then recover?
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Where where did you develop that? Is it something you've
had from a kid to to to not care about the money? >> Well, no.
I I do care about the money. It's just it's just I I was
just I was I had to make a decision right then. It's like do I
want to just retire and quit doing this or do I want to you know
keep going and you know I had a lot of emotional feelings about it.
>> Can I just quickly ask how much did you start with uh to
get to this uh 10 million levelish? million levelish? million
levelish? >> Um you know ju just just $50,000. I mean I was
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pretty much broke so I just you know got back um you know 10
10 20,000 and just just worked it up. what what I learned from these
big losses, you know, the one this happened once in 2023 and April
and then it happened in May or actually February 2024 is um you know
sometimes just the the stocks just go nuts in one period and I I I I
try to just get out before it reaches that time. Like sometimes a
stock is a good short might be a good short at five bucks, but
it's a bad short at 10 bucks because it's in some crazy
short squeeze um you know, loop that that just makes
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it go to insane heights. And so I I um you know, that's
why it's good I have the $200,000 max loss now. And I have I
have had a few of those 200,000 max losses over the past um couple
months with like CYN um ASST which was a crypto treasury and um you
know it's just mistakes that I make in the moment and um I just
have to learn from my mistakes and just move on better. But at least
now I have the m that max loss so that'll prevent me from
having a $1 million plus loss again. >> No, I think I think
you couldn't have said that better. I think it's probably
my
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favorite line of the episode so far. It's that the
higher normally a short goes, the better the short is. But
you've just said something really powerful there that it can be
a good short at four but a bad shot at 10 or it could be a good shot
at five and a bad shot at 10 specifically for the mechanics that
everyone's getting squeezed and it can go to 100. >> But
uh >> yeah, it is weird to hear that because you don't
you don't get you don't get trained that like in the CFA
or in college you don't get trained you just get trained like
this is what a company's worth. This is the intrinsic
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value. If it's over that, it's overvalued. But the
actual mechanics with trading is it's not not always not always
equates to that. And you know, since I'm trading every day or
most days, um you you you'll run into those kind of black swan
situations um once in a while. >> But I'm I'm really
excited to get your trading method at this point. I'm sure
everyone else is. So I I'll let you uh kind of take it away so
you can give us a kind of an indication of your style and if you can
touch into a little bit of the fundamental analysis as well.
I'm quite curious is how the fundamental fundamentals link up
with
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the technicals. technicals. technicals. >> Yeah. So
it's both fundamentals and technicals. So let me um go to the
website here. So here you I got I got the kit info here at the top
and um >> beautiful >> beautiful >> beautiful
>> some realized unrealized gains here. And now this this top
one, this was an example on RSLS of a what I call a scheme where
they bring the stock up artificially and they run it up because they
went from like 50 cents to $3 and then back to 50. And what what
they did was they they had a bunch of um cashless warrants. So
basically um it means that they can they can basically
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sell stock at at that they got for zero that they bought for
zero. They can sell it. So they would basically sell 14 million
shares at any price. price. price. What like one um one fund that
had that had these these warrants, they just needed to get
shareholder approval and then once they got the shareholder approval
an 8K came out and instantly went from three bucks and crashed to
like 50 cents. So that that was a good that was a good timing there
there on that one. >> But just just when you're saying
that so you need to have some indication and a good knowledge of the
SEC fail. So you you know cuz you
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went through the filings, you know that uh these these
warrants or this dilution is open. It's is it's just a
matter of when the shareholders give the approval for it to raise
the funds. Is it something like that? So you're are you already
short? Are you already short just waiting for it or um I was that
particular spot I was already short and then but then so I in a way
I kind of got lucky on that trade but then I saw I saw the AK come
out and then I realized okay it's going to get dumped. So, I
didn't cover right away. I was like I was just holding holding
my my uh my
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shares because I shorted around three bucks. And then when I
saw the AK came on, I quickly looked at it. I'm like,
"Okay, that's that's a shareholder approval."
And I didn't cover until it was like like below a buck.
>> And And what put you onto that stock in the first place?
What what put it on the radar? Was it like a top percent gainer or
or or >> Um it it was just it was just kind of kind of a
runner. It it ran all day the previous day and then I and then I I
shorted it the next morning thinking that it was going to fade.
>> So So it's a top percent
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gainer. This stock's a piece of Why is it running? Let
us look at the SEC filings and see if they're planning on
running it, pumping it to dump it. Is it like that or that or that
or >> um Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. It's just because I
look at all the top gainers and then I I analyze why is it up?
What's the reason? And you know some there's no reason and
and then from there you got to figure out okay when is it going to
fall when's the time when's the right timing to short it
or when when or it could be a long when when do you want to long it
because
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ideally you want you want to long when a stock's moving
up when it's the uptrend it's called the front side and
then when the backside happens you want to short. So ideally the
best way to trade and this is what I'm I'm learning myself
and I do long as well um on occasion but I you want to long on the
front side and then and then that's when the news first comes
out or that's when the trend's going and then um and then
you want to sell your long at the top and then flip short on the
back side. You see what I mean? >> Yeah, I know. It makes
makes false sense. Makes false
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sense. >> Yeah. So that's what I want to get get
better at doing is um you know being able to time it uh you know to
make have the better timing. And then you can see this picture of
me. I'm kind of in a meditative state. Um I've been
I've been trying to meditate 10 minutes a day and I I usually
do meditate 10 minutes every every day before I trade. And
that's what I recommend people to see. You know, in in
meditation, it's not like you just close your eyes and you
don't think, but meditation helps because you can you can kind
of close your eyes and figure out what are you feeling right
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now? What are you thinking about? Is there anything
that's, you know, making you feel emotional? It could even be a
bad trade could make you feel emotional or, you know, if you get get
in an argument with your girlfriend the previous day or, you know,
something h somebody does something to make you angry, that can all
affect your trading. And so I think it's important to meditate
um at the beginning of every day to get to see where your mind frame
is at. >> Nice. I mean could you give us an example of kind of
how you would break down a specific trade or if you have a specific
trade or a chart just so
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people can see like your full process of okay this is on the
scan. This is an entry. This is what I look for. Like even an
example of one trade how it how it works. works. works. >>
Yeah. Yeah. I'll go over those those trades. But yeah, so this
is this is the website and then um you go to the free training and
then you'll see there's a seven minute video of me, but if
you put your name and email then I'll I'll send you you an
email if somebody wants to be mentored by me and learn my uh trading
method, the AO trading method. Um that that's how you get in
contact with me
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or they can get in contact with me on Twitter as well.
>> Perfect. >> Perfect. >> Perfect. >> All
right, so these are these are some of my brokers here. Um you got
Cobra. Okay, cool. So they're know they're all doths. So
they all have the same hotkeys. Got Opal. This is um center point.
point. point. And the hot keys I use are um so here's the trade
here. And like a one is 5,000 shares, two is 10, three is 15, four
is 20,000. So normally I trade small cap stocks or even micro caps.
And so um I I trade usually in like blocks of 5,000. So then a zero
is 50,000. So that way
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I don't have to type in the amount the amount. I
sometimes I I still type it in, but this is just a quicker way to do
it. it. it. And then um now some of them have uh have good routes.
So um I have like the best route like here I use Arca for Cobra. The
best route is RB RB25 L. So that's so I have the right trading
route. And then um control P is just the position size. position
size. position size. Like right now I I swung short IHL which
that's a trade that's one of the trades I want to go over.
And um yeah, so that's that's basically how that works. I
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also use um a a trade a route called T-W L. Now this is
because I use big size. is I mean people that use small size they
don't have to use it all the time but what T-W does is it it
trades the same amount through a different time frame. So like
let's say let's say I don't want to cover the entire
EXHL like right now but I just want to cover part of it and also I
may not want to um do a huge order. I may just want to do a little
bit so it over time so I can just say cover the 3 to 30,000 shares
equally amount to the whole day.
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So it just cover it just buys or sells, you know, an equal
amount through the rest of the day. So those those are what I use
for these these brokers. brokers. brokers. >> Yeah. And one of
the roots you mentioned was had had the word rebin it. So I'm
presuming you're doing uh rebates. You you you're playing
that uh that game of getting rebates on your trades to reduce your
commissions, which is a big thing to keep your costs down. >>
Definitely. Because you can because if if you Yeah. If you do more
limit orders, you pay less fees. So I I often I I usually do limit
orders. >> Yeah. And are you getting
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ACN rebates on that? that? that? >> Uh yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Was RMD does
that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. And then with the I
wanted to go over a couple trades here. So uh so there's the
Let me go to my trades. These are just recent trades that I made. So
let's go over this is kind of an interesting one. S AI. So,
what what I did here now, you see there's different days
because I I swung part of it. I I I I held it over over a few days
and um now what's interesting is I I don't think you Yeah.
So, I I didn't I might
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not have um covered it all the way in Interactive Brokers
because uh actually I think I did. So, I wonder why it's not
showing the Interactive Brokers on here. Um anyway, that that
doesn't matter. I'll figure that figure it out. But um you
you can see you can see that uh that the that I first I traded it on
the 28th. So this was this was the news came out in the after hours.
So I like trading the after hours and I shorted it and the news
looked really weak to me. You know, I have a program here. Um, this
is um News Edge and on the 28th the um the the the it it
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came out um so part of my strategy is I analyze the the PRs.
So the PR came on the 28th in the after hours. So this is 405. So if
you analyze this PR here, so it says they got a deal with Vision
Tech Systems to sell their Sentinel Systems, which is like it's
kind of like a luggage scanner like they have at the airport. So I
did some research on this company. And if you're enjoying this
level of transparency from Million-Dollar Traders, hit like, hit
subscribe. Helps the channel more than you know to get more guests
like this and more guests like this verified on Kinfo. And so first
of all, it says it's
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a non-binding letter of intent. A non-binding means it's
not a real contract. Like they can back either party can back out of
it at any time. So that that is a little bit bearish right there.
That that immediately is sort of like it's it's it's
a little little bit bearish. They might have gone to Vision Tech
Systems. They might even said, "Hey, do you mind if we just say
we did this? We can put it up PR." And they're like,
"Yeah, go ahead." You know, we can we're not
we're not, you know, bound to buy it or anything. And then so
um so then it says they they already had a deal deal deal uh
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for DY5 million that they made a month or two ago and they
said the the value of the additional exceeds $1 million. Now
that's a small amount of money for a company, you know, for a
public company $1 million. So that alone gave me sort of pause.
I'm like this this PR really is not worth much. I mean
it's not not a big deal. And so um so it was up a decent
amount. It was up about 50%, I shorted and then covered in the after
hours. Then the next morning it it went up again on the 29th. So
then I shorted it in the pre-market and then covered. Then they they
put out extra
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news here um right before the open. You see this says 9:21
a.m. >> So they put out backtoback news right before the open.
In addition to that, I got some information that they actually were
paying a promoter. It's a paid pump. Basically, they were
paying to promote the stock. What What did So, this this this one
right before the open, it said that they um they got a a contract
with Creek Source Consulting. They're sort of just promoting
they're marketing their products. And and then it says here,
this is now this isn't a sale. This is just saying it's a
potential $100 million market opportunity. Now again, a hund00
million is not very much for
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like a market opportunity because that's like the size
of the company itself and they're just talking about the entire
market is a hundred million. So it says an estimated 100 million
addressable market. So they're not saying like they can get
that entire market. That's just what what they can address
because you already get a sale. So that's not a very big
number. Like if it said like a 100red billion that might be
something big, but just a 100 million is not not very big. So, I
shorted it um when it went up at the open and then it just went
apeshit. I mean dur during the the day it just went up super high
and
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and so I was shorting more at at a higher price to get a
better average but I was still underwater. So what happened was
basically I you know just to sum up what happened is the previous
day I shorted like a$110 and then I covered at like 90. 90. 90. Then
in the morning I did the same thing because it went back to A110. I
showed it a$110. It went back to 90 cents. So then um with the paid
promotion and this PR, it again went back to A110 with this new PR
in the morning. Um so they had backto-back PRs and then it just and
then it just went up to like a$150 the
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the high up there. And so I got in again at a$110 and then I
added higher and higher. So, I had like max size and I was
underwater quite a bit. I didn't I didn't get to my max
loss of 200 million. I mean 200,000. I didn't get to not not
not max loss. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't it didn't hit my It
didn't hit my 200,000, but I was down six figures. I was down
over 100,000 at that point. But I just looked at this company.
I'm like I just looked at the Now also what what I looked too
which um which I wanted to show you as well which I didn't get
to yet
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is I got hot buttons on these um on the on the doss. So you
go sti and um and if you just click on stock twits see it pulls up
the on stock twits. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> We can see what people are saying on the stock and and then
if I want to look at the fundamentals I go to YF Yahoo Finance. So
Yahoo Finance. Click that and then I can see, okay, so this company,
look at the financials. Um, basically they they only made they made
zero revenues in the quarter ended September 30th. They only made
365,000 on March 31st. So they're their revenues are terrible.
They're losing a decent
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amount um you know, two two to three million a quarter. and
they also have um a decent amount of debt 28 million and they also
converted the debt to shares. So this is a good opportunity for the
people that converted their debt to sell their shares like this
runup. And you can see looking at the historical data, it it it is
an extreme amount of volume, 319 million shares traded that day on
July 29th. 29th. 29th. And so that was a good opportunity for the
for the the debt holders to convert their debt and then sell their
shares in the open market. So I held on tight. you know, if if I did
hit my
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max loss of 200,000, I' i'd pretty much have to
cover because I have that that rule. I might cover a part of it
because I I did have a strong a really strong um bare case on this
one. I was really convicted on this one, but um you know, luckily it
didn't hit my max loss and that's sort of a lesson too.
It's like the way I trade if it hits on max loss um often
I'm just wrong. and and if I just was stubborn and not getting
out on my max loss, it could reach a million dollar loss. So, but
you know, like I said, luckily it didn't hit that and so I held
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it. I swung it and um you look at August 5th, look at where
it was trading on August 5th, like 60 cents, 15 and 60 cents. And
you can see here, I held it all the way to a good chunk of it all
the way to August 5th. So, I made most of my gain by swinging
swinging it short for a few days. But like can I just like because I
understand the strategy that you're talking about and it's
a strategy that a lot of short sellers try and do. They look for in
hot markets they try and pick out the weakest stocks. Sometimes that
can be by volume the stock with the the less
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attention because less attention it's less volume for it
to run or for the worst fundamentals but you seem to be doing it
better than everybody else because you're making $10 million
doing it. So, and a lot of short sellers will make do well, do well,
do well, do well, then blow up. So, like, what are you doing
differently from from the other guys, do you think? you think? you
think? >> Well, um, no, you're saying I did I did blow
up, but a year ago ago, but I'm not I'm not blowing up
now, though. Now, though, because I I am very very careful now. Um,
but for me, I I think I what I'm doing
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better is I'm looking at every aspect of the stock. Like
you look here, like I'm looking at stock twist. I'm
looking at Yahoo Finance. I'm looking at delution tracker.
You're familiar with delution tracker? delution tracker?
delution tracker? >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. >> I mean
that's essential, you know. I'm looking at um you know the
previous news on Finn viz. Finn viz. You could go back as far as
I'm looking at everything. I'm looking at what people are
saying on stock twits stock twits and Twitter. Here's Twitter
right here. So I basically look at everything going on. And like I
said, I try to avoid shorting themes and I try to avoid shorting
schemes. And
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in this case, it wasn't a scheme or a theme in my
analysis. Now, schemes, like I said, it's it that's what
happened with TOP T O where it it just the insiders, it's
Chinese. A lot of Chinese stocks do this where the insiders are
like, let's just buy up the whole float. Let's run it up,
you know, 10x, 20x. Well, in Top's case, it was like uh it was
likeif 50x. Um you know, let's just run it up and we'll
just squeeze all the shorts and then we'll just sell. Once the
shorts are squeezed, we'll just sell our shares. shares.
shares. And um and and so by the way with with that with that um
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top I actually heard that um that happened in in April 20
2023 2023 2023 that the insiders they didn't buy any shares in
the after hours and it went from like 20 bucks to 150 or 200 in the
after hours. So the after hours just all short covering short
covering short covering and that so it just basically runs on its
own. I mean once you buy up the whole float often you can I mean you
can just see the short squeeze just squeeze it squeeze it up if you
get more shorts involved. involved. involved. >> You've
seen this with like Elfin HKD like this happens over and over and
over every now and then. >>
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Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But like the
million-dollar question now is how do you identify? You can identify
a theme. It's obvious because it's in the news and all the
sectors running. So you you know when a hot sector is running which
is a theme, right? >> That's the sector a theme. Esteem
is when there's nothing hot about it. It's just going up
for no reason. >> You know, there's just there's
just no reason for it to go up and and it's just people buying
basically just to manipulate it up basically or just to squeeze
shorts. squeeze shorts. squeeze shorts. >> Million-dollar
question. You know the answer. No one else, not many other people
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do. How do you identify a scheme? >> You you there
there there's there's a few ways to do that. I mean I I
explain in the you know in my in my method um method but one way is
to see who is behind the scheme. If it's some guy hidden in the
shadows that could be a scheme. Now if you look at something
different let's take of let's take a look at STI because
like I said it's not it wasn't a scheme. So you can see um
who owns you can see on delution tractor tracker who owns the um who
owns like the warrants or the like if it's somebody that's
one of them like
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for example armistice or like not not halala or like um few
other you know funds >> HC win rates anything to do with these
guys guys guys >> it could be that's but that's not
a fund that's a investment bank but it maybe maybe they
don't do schemes I'll have to look more into that. But if
it's a fund that is just constantly doing these, you know, m
micro caps just like selling the shares and buying, they don't
have time to do to play games. Like once they're in the money
on their warrants, they'll sell right away. So like if I if I
see Armistice involved, I'll know it's not a scheme.
scheme. scheme. Um
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it's it's the ones that are like unknown that do
that can do the scheme. I mean that's just one thing
that's just one way to figure it out. But um also of course you
can't have um if if someone's doing a scheme they they
can't be like having big holders that aren't part of the
scheme or else the big holders just dump right into them. It's
got to be um the the the holders need to be part of the scheme
themselves. The big holders and usually insiders need to be a part
of it too. It's something that they might have been playing for
weeks. are like, "Okay, we're going to on this day
we're all
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we're just going to buy it buy up all the shares, all
the float and just run the stock up." It's like a few
people, you know, just decide to do that. that. that. >>
That's what a scheme is. >> Crazy. So you have identified
exactly kind of the fundamentals which you can spot in the SEC
filings of the typical players and the typical structures of a
scheme and and you're going to identify and that's how you
stay and that's a huge edge because you know the the shorts to
avoid or wait to hit bigger later when the scheme's complete.
>> Yeah, there's just too many opportunities to get get
involved with is something that might
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be a scheme. If I think there's any chance it might be a
scheme, I don't want to get involved. I'm like is it going
up for no reason? and is it, you know, squeezing shorts? Like
I'll just step I just won't get involved. Sometimes I try
to long schemes, but that's that's another challenge. Um
because you don't know when the scheme is going to end. Like at
any time they could just drop it on you, right? So So yeah, I mean
that that's another, you know, skill to try try to learn
himself yourself. Um now the theme is is with what happened with the
BMR. um go going back to where I had that uh
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that $5 million loss here in February. That was um they had a
deal with Nvidia. Now, they they they previous PRs, they also said
they had a deal invidia and the stock didn't do anything. And
that's one of the reasons why I was confident at the time. But
this Nvidia theme, we're just seeing over and over again, even
if they're just using like an Nvidia product, just the word
Nvidia can cause a theme. A theme. And that's just a bunch of
retail traders just buying it up and people shorting and the shorts
just get squeezed. And that's any theme. Now theme has to be
like a big theme like a something that's big enough where
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there's a lot of shorts, a lot of longs and the longs
will win and and the shorts just get get squeezed out of out of
their position and as they're getting squeezed they're
fueling the fire. They're like pouring gasoline on the fire and
it just goes to like insane heights. Yeah. So, I try not to short
those situations. situations. situations. >> I completely
understand what you're saying. What what gets me is um a lot a
lot of like well I haven't seen many charts that you've
shown and I think that's that's quite I'm just
curious how much is your trading kind there's a couple of
things I want to say but how much is he
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trading like the fundamentals and just knowing what like
knowing what you're trading knowing where whether it's a
theme or a scheme or it's just a shitty company and you're
going to take advantage of the pops on the news. How much of it is
that and how much are you really trading technical analysis because
you haven't showed many charts yet so I'm just curious is
it more about this than the technicals? Um it I think I think
overall um I would say it's the technicals and fundamentals. Um
I think technicals are more important. Now know it depends what you
you know fundamentals could be a loose term. You know does it mean
the intrinsic value of
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the company or does it also mean a headline or you know
who's owning it? Like it it's you know technical and
fundamentals they kind of blur into each other a little bit what
you're talking about but I think they're equally
important. I mean, they're pretty close to being really
important. I I might put a little bit more weight on technicals if
as a trader. Um because certain times you want to, you know, you you
need to wait in wait for the right timing. And that's what
could that's what technicals can give you by looking at volume,
time of day, um looking at the chart, all that stuff. Um whether
it's market hours or pre-market or
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after hours, like all that is like technical um analysis. I I
think what you cover I love your story by the way because
you're a guy that's made I think you're in eight
figures, right? You have 10 million plus. You just need to verify.
>> Yeah, I made money that's not verified too.
That's not a thing. >> So like you're up n 10 plus
million. I haven't I haven't met anyone. But what what
interests us about you is I've never like most trading teachers
or most people who teach trading or give back into trading,
they'll they'll double tops um short into resistance and
then then maybe they'll talk about don't don't short
lows, do short
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little lows, don't short sub pennies. They'll give
all these rules, but no one and they might say don't short hot
sectors, which is what you're talking about with the themes,
but no one goes into the depth of how to identify the structure of
what potentially can be a scheme. And I think that is could be what
separates a trader who makes hundred couple hundred dollars to a
trader that makes millions of dollars. dollars. dollars. >>
Yeah. Yeah. I look at all that stuff too. I mean Yeah. Yeah. I mean
all that stuff is definitely what way what you want to look at. Um
you know short resistance resistance resistance cover at uh you know
at
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support you know um I look at all that stuff too but
it's just sort of it's just one piece of information in
addition to everything else that I put in. like I want to get as
much information as possible about a stock and I and that's
what makes me a discretionary trader you know like a systematic
trader um might have a few indications but a computer does
everything and and you know they they expect to lose a certain
amount win a certain amount but for me as a discretionary trader um
I I know when when to get bigger size you know when to when to enter
better and I I I I um I'm not
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saying being a traditionary trader is better than systematic
But if you're if you're able to have a good method, I
think I think it is better. If you're able to um know how to
like change sides because a systematic trader will say, "Well,
if you're using discretion, you're going to mess yourself
up. You're going to make the wrong decision, you know, but I
think you can make the right decision as a discretionary trader.
discretionary trader. discretionary trader. >> If you know if
you know what you're doing and you're good enough, you
can." But it's it's like but what I what I'm
interested in is like you're it's not like you you're
like cut losses quickly
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because you you're letting us stop. It's more I
think what I understand from your style is you you're really
looking to the company. You understand the thesis and you have
conviction and then the stop isn't like oh I'm in and
I'm out for 2%. You you you're going with conviction and
believing in your bet right right right >> and then if it
doesn't work you loss. Sometimes I do could cut losses quickly
like um like for example um with with this recent one in MXT I I I
come last night and I got in at a higher price. That's
that's I think that's something you you you do want to
aspire to do like if
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you're pretty sure that you get a better price later and
um you know and and and the uh volume's not an issue or you
know like the sizing is not an issue, you do want to get out and
then get get in later if you if you got in too early. too early. too
early. >> Yeah. And but so I mean you're looking for a
lot of the because I think what gets me is I think a lot of traders
are kind of nearly at the level. You you said it earlier in the
interview. A lot of traders are nearly up in the level but they just
need to do a couple of things. A
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lot of short sellers know how to read charts. They know about
exhaustion candles. They know about death candles. They know how to
find entries but they keep on getting sucked into the wrong stock.
That's a scheme. And I think or they somehow get sucked into a
theme because they didn't they weren't aware that a hot
sector was just about to develop or something like that. And I think
you're helping shorts avoid the blowups to me. >> Yeah. I
mean that that that's part of, you know, part part of what what
part of the whole system. I mean, discretionary and you saw I had a
couple blowups before and I still have them with at a
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lesser level now. And it's it's that's part of
being a great trader is learning how to avoid the blowups because
there's no point in like getting, you know, 10 trades in a row
correct and then the one loss that that's bigger than all the
10 wins you had. You know, that that's a fate that a lot of
short sellers run into. They'll like have 10 small wins and
then one big loss is going to wipe out the 10 wins. I mean,
what's what's the point? You know, you you have to be able
to avoid those big losses. >> I mean, and that's
that's show that's showelling though, right? like
you're trading shook small caps. It's
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a fundamental market where 99% go to zero and then in the end
they go bankrupt. So it's not a hard game to short companies in
small caps and expect them to go down. What is a hard game is not
blow your account every two months. >> Yeah, >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> that's the art. >> And you know
and longs go through similar things too like longs can be brutal
where like I I you know the stock can just keep falling and falling
and falling and you just can't get out. Like I I've tried
I go into that myself like when I when I long something I'm
like oh my god I can't get out
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of this. It's never it's not hitting my price. I
have to keep lowering my price. So um I think longs into the similar
thing where like they could have a lot a string of wins and then one
big loss. >> You get an incredible amount of detail.
We've gone like 30 minutes on trading examples alone. Do you
have any other examples that you want to run through or or do you
want to kind of close it out and people can uh and people can look
on your website? We'll put the link in the description below if
they want. >> Um, no, I think it's good for now. I think
that's enough. Um, yeah, if they
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want to, um, someone wants to go through examples, they can
contact me directly. I can, you know, if they want to look at my
info because I show my trades on there. I can explain to them, you
know, how I made a certain trade and, uh, you know, we can go over
the the strategies of it. of it. of it. >> All right, man. I I
don't think we've ever had anyone who's been up the
amount of money that you are up who has given so much valuable
information and give so much back. So, thank you for that. Thank you
for your transparency. Um just a quick question like for someone who
wants to get
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started get started get started like for someone in the first
couple years of trading losing what's your best advice for them
to obviously go on your Discord and click and learn but other than
that like do you have any advice on how to get started the way from
lessons you've learned in the past? Well, I'd say, you
know, find a mentor, find someone who's successful and kind of
um try to emulate what they do and not all not all gurus are
successful. You know, maybe they put put it on their Twitter, but um
you know, in in reality, they might just it might just be a facade.
So, try to follow someone who's successful on
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a regular basis. They still, you know, trade a lot and you
know, they're trading. They can you see they have verified
returns like on Kenfo. And um and I would also say um realize
it's going to take a long time to get good at trading. Uh you
know some people it takes years. I mean it took me years. It took me
at least you know five years to become good at trading. And so you
don't don't go big. Don't blow up your accounts. You
know make sure you're you're profitable for like for
several months before you increase your size. And once you figure
out you know that you are profitable and consistently profitable
then you
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can increase your size and get exponential gains like like I
said. But um yeah, I'm I'm helping people out. Um you
know, like one guy here um Puerto Rico, he he quit his engineering
job. Now he's trading full-time uh you know, under my my help.
And um yeah, and like I told him, I'm like, "Yeah, keep it
really small. I mean, expect to lose for a while and then and then
go go big because I'd hate to see you like have to take a
mortgage on your house or something after losing losing all your
money um trading, you know, try to make it last and give it maybe
assume it might take a year to
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get good." Um, some people pick it up quick. It only
takes a few months, but some people can take a year or more to get
to get better. So, make sure you've definitely have a good
profit before you increase your sizing on it. >> Uh, Adam, it
was a pleasure to interview you. You've done some incredible
things and and thanks for everything you give back. back. back.
>> Yeah, thank you, Stephen. [Music]
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What's up, guys? Today is a very special episode for me
and hopefully for you, too, because in the 8 years or so that
I've been I've been I've been interviewing people,
there's been very few times that someone has been so willing to
give so much knowledge uh just for the sake of of giving back. And
Chavi is a rising star in the Spanish trading community. I've
met him at events in Madrid last year, and I'm super glad that
we finally got the chance to bring this top top top trader onto the
podcast. So, what you're about to see is definitely going to
change the way you trade. Chavier, we'll take it away. >>
With almost
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$100,000 in the last 3 months, over VWAP, we'll try to
look for longs. And if it's under VWAP, uh we'll try to go
for for shorts. >> So, this is stuff I've never even
thought of before, like this kind of psychology. psychology.
psychology. >> So, when the stock goes extended in one
direction, I try to look for the bounce. >> People will say
your charts look pretty crazy, but when you explain them,
there's total method and sense to the madness. madness.
madness. >> It doesn't work, I go short because the the
trend uh can be changed. So, I I short here, cover. When I make a
lot of money, it's when the bounces are big
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and the drops are all also big. I can be wrong in my thesis
and still make money because of these bounces. >> I feel like
you're giving too much away, Chavi. You shouldn't be on
this podcast. Welcome to Undiscovered Traders, and today we welcome
Señor Chavier Cormes. Welcome to Kinfo. We finally have you
verified. verified. verified. >> Yeah, finally. Uh I celebrate
that uh a lot. I was waiting a lot of time to do that. I'm very
happy for the Spanish community and all the trading community to
give more transparency. more transparency. more transparency.
>> I know you I think you've made more money than this,
but we have you on our records as verified
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558,000. And that's with almost $100,000 in the last 3
months, which is pretty incredible under the the recent trading
conditions. conditions. conditions. >> Yeah, >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, um I started trading in a prop firm in Barcelona in
2020 when the COVID market started. started. started. And I started
when it was called The Trading World and you I can't get
verified and I can't even get my trades from that period of
time. And the market changed in 2022. Uh it was a very a very very
similar than what is now. Like we had less opportunities and
everybody was seeing the same and the stocks were getting crowded in
the short side, so it was more
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difficult to make money on the on the short side. >>
Today, I guess I'd like to just go through your backstory a
little bit, kind of touch on the trading conditions and and how
you're operating differently to the 95% of traders who are
losing in general and in the world and then and then in a bit later
we'll we'll go through a couple of charts and some
examples of of your trading and maybe we'll we'll
we'll I noticed that your profit curve is a particularly uh
sexy. It's particularly uh smooth. If you can have a go at it,
it's sexy, it's it's smooth and it's straight
up. You don't take many losses, so what what
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was how did you get into trading? What what was the story?
You always into it or >> Yeah, let's let's do it. Um
so, when I was in college, I was studying industrial engineering and
a friend of mine, he knew that I was interested in economics and he
recommend me a book and that's where I discover uh the stock
market with a book and then I said, "Okay, the the stocks I
like this this uh the stock market. Let's study something
related about it because I was studying natural engineering and it
has nothing to do about it. And I started to study economics.
economics. economics. Nothing about the stock market was on the on
the
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subjects I was taking. And then I started looking for
internets, uh, and some mentors. I I started my first, uh, account
of trading in 2018. It's a CFD broker, uh, very bad experience
there. I lost everything in 2 months or something like that. And
then I said, "Okay, let's let's stop here." Uh,
and once I finish my my studies and I have free time, I'll
I'll day trade because I kind of that I lost money before
because I wasn't on the screens. I was missing some meals and
blah blah blah. So, I felt that if I was going to be in front of the
the charts, I would be able to make money. And I
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spent a a year and a half day trading in US stocks and I was
trying to look for breakouts in in large caps, but didn't work
out for a year and a half. And then, uh, I started looking on on
LinkedIn for traders and I found the manager of a trading floor in
Barcelona that they they were offering a day trading course. Uh, and
that's when the COVID market started. It was in I was 2020. was
2020. was 2020. Uh, Uh, Uh, I paid at them the teaching course and I
started trading with them in the prop firm. firm. firm. That was the
first time I saw real traders trading together in a little office
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in in Barcelona. They were like 10 people. During 2022,
everything exploded and the results of all the traders were
extraordinary that the office grew up to 50 traders. So, it was kind
of cool to see all the process. >> You You was I guess So, did
you finish your your course in economics? You finished it? Yeah.
>> Yeah. I started trading and I had 2 more years before I
ended the economics degree. And And And in the meantime I was day
trading and my dad, 6 months before I finished my economics degree,
he said, "Once you are done with your economics degree,
you're going to find a job or or stop day trading or whatever.
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Uh or you get the results from day trading." I mean, it
was just the right moment I found this uh trading office on
Barcelona that I started making money. So, my parents were were
happy about it. >> You're from Spain originally?
You're originally Spanish? originally Spanish? originally
Spanish? >> Yeah, exactly. From Barcelona. Well, not
Barcelona, a town an hour from Barcelona, but yeah, I I I used to
live there. there. there. >> Um I'm just curious uh cuz
I'm I'm reading a book by uh Ray I don't know if
you've heard of Ray Dalio. Uh yeah, the main top top invest top
top He has Bridgewater hedge fund hedge funds. Um I He's
retired from
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there now. But I was I was reading a lot about economics from
him and different economic cycles and how you have like short-term
debt and then you have long-term debt and then eventually
there's too much debt and you have to go through different
processes with the with the economy. Did you learn that that kind of
thing or does economics at all help you with your trading or
>> No. >> No. >> No. Um Um Um yeah, everything I
learned from the economics were about economic theory and supply and
demand and and these basic things. things. things. Uh some
accountability but nothing related to with stock market. The bad
what it gave me was discipline because
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I was studying that this this this career online, so I had to
study on my own and I had to schedule my everything everything
everything so I could get everything done on the right time. right
time. right time. And also the logic process I learned in the
economic in the industrial engineering program, engineering program,
engineering program, it gave me a mental structure to solve problems
problems problems that that that and try to find the logics on
everything that now that I'm day trading, I try to do the same.
And try to find the an explanation of why it should happen or why
not on and again the discipline because I had to spend hours and
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hours and frustration because I I had some exams that failed
and then I had to restart it and I and take the exam again. So,
that's that discipline and resilience was given from my
education. >> I think that's really important though,
isn't it? Like don't don't ever accept anything just
because you are told it. You have to question and understand why
everything works because it all connects. >> Yeah, exactly.
>> Did you turn profitable in the in the prop firm in
Barcelona? >> Yeah, since day one. But, it was >> What
did you trade or what else? >> No, no, don't go there
anymore. Uh like the strategy the market changed and and and we
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were doing our We bears. We bears. We bears. >> Um
>> Um >> Um >> Uh we were trading What? What?
What? >> I I thought you were going to say mean reversions
there. reversions there. reversions there. >> Yeah, mean
reversion. Yeah. >> Is that right? Yeah. >> Yeah,
that's I mean it it wasn't what they told us, but
it's kind of the what it is. Uh mirror version of Starship.
What we tried to do was shorting everything front side. We
didn't care about anything about any news, about the float,
about dilution, about about about uh uh uh anything. anything.
anything. Uh we just look for volume. Yeah, and in the COVID
everything had huge
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volume. There were a lot of oscillations between them same uh
1 minute candle, so we could get in and get out a lot of times to
manage risk risk risk uh the the risk of the position. We were like
monkeys pressing buttons. Uh Uh Uh and it worked and it was because
of the huge volume we have we had uh in 2020 because of the COVID
checks and every everybody on Robinhood or this kind of apps. But
then when the interest rates went up in 2022, that volume was
disappeared. So the strategy instead of covering in the pullback
because we when the price was going up we were short and coming
covering the position on
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the pullback. pullback. pullback. So with less volume the
pullback was lower and sometimes there wasn't any pullback.
pullback. pullback. So you put just add add add up to the position
position position and it was like a martingale martingale it or it
or it or >> Yeah. One way or the other. >> Martingale.
Yeah. >> So that's crazy. So it's like a
professional prop firm with an office set up in in in Barcelona and
they they basically weren't recommending that people just trade
on volume and and that's it, but it was working. >> Yeah,
that was working and uh at the same at that time I wish I understood
more about the how the market worked
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because I was talking with some good traders in Spain like El
Mosquito and Jordi Pamies. I'm sure you will know them. them.
them. Yeah. And they were freaking out while we were making money
without looking anything and just pressing buttons. Uh And and they
thought the Mosquito from there there there You you originally know
how those days are. are. are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He and them
wasn't with Jordi. They wasn't trading on the prop firm,
but I don't I know them from years ago. Yeah. Now, wow. And
they were crazy seeing our numbers and without any knowing anything
and looking at the flow of the meals or Yeah. Just pressing buttons
like a monkey.
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monkey. monkey. And like everybody was making money. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And like everybody was making money that we didn't
question anything. We just execute and trust what was working at
that moment. So So what did you start with in the beginning?
beginning? beginning? Uh I with with your small account when you
started and and how much have you made up until now? Um yeah. Like I
started with 700 euros. euros. euros. And now And now And now
it's almost it's almost it's almost 800,000 800,000
800,000 800,000 800,000 800,000 dollars. It's an absolutely
insane transition. Yeah. The million The million dollar question is
what What does the heavy What does the Xavi Comas know now know
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now know now that it that the Xavi Comas in the Barcelona
prop firm didn't know? What's the difference? the
difference? the difference? Yeah. So the difference basically is
understanding understanding understanding why things tend to go in
one direction or the other. And that's something I learned from
Edu Edu Trades. Uh like he was recycling shares like me, but he
understand why something or some shorts were crowded and stop going
short and as the short was or that the short sellers were in pain to
switch to buy us and go long. And that's something I was uh,
chasing all the time that the stock to go short and if it
doesn't go down they killed me.
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>> Wait, uh, wait a what? I I was still thinking about
your $800,000 $800,000 $800,000 from $1,000. It's crazy. Can I
just say it for Can the people in the comments when watch the video
or be watching the video at this point just write in one word what
you think of of Xavi's $1,800,000 $1,800,000 $1,800,000 record?
Because it's pretty incredible. So just leave a comment to say
what what you think of that kind of progress and and a thank you for
coming on because you're coming on to share knowledge Yeah,
free. So I really appreciate that. But sorry, just just if you go on
Like how I I I never get this cuz Edu as
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well, I've watched Edu trade live. I've watched you
trade live. Like what you Sorry, if you can just say it again. Like
what How do you know the direction of the stock? Cuz like I see Edu
like Edu like Edu like go long and go short and go long and like
like like how do you guys know? When something it has a lot of
volume, so we so we so we we read that like there is a lot of demand
on the stock. So if it's over VWAP, we'll try to look for
longs. for longs. for longs. And if it's under with VWAP,
we'll go we'll try to go for for shorts. Um, that's
like
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one of the main things. And then And then And then the market
cycle it's very important. Now, uh, the 2024 doesn't have
anything to do with 2025 and doesn't have anything to do with
2026. 2024 we had a a hot sec a hot market. So, we didn't have
a lot of reasons to to buy. I mean, just looking for something that
was going up. If it had news and it had more volume and no overhead
resistance or no bag holders, etc. etc. etc. Uh that was more likely
to be a a long. But, we just bought everything that was going up.
And there was uh at that time all the bears caught bears were making
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a lot of money. So, on the on the stock there was a lot of
noise. So, the when there was going up aggressive down aggressively,
it had a pullback. So, that pullback was very helpful for reciting
shares. So, buying and selling on the pullback and buying again when
it goes down. I tend to to bounce again. So, we try to go to the
trend. We're going to buy these dips when something it's
trending up and it's breaking up with a lot of volume. And
again, if it's over view up, sometimes we'll go uh uh uh
we'll do a view up bounce. If the stock goes under view up,
we'll we'll cut the position. For example,
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like this view up bounce doesn't work. It's a a
company that had good news or it had everything for the long. And
it's going in the opposite direction. direction. direction. All
the longs are trapped. So, that's a selling pressure that when
the stock tends to tries to to bounce, I like to short that because
every long trader would trader would trader would it's going to
sell because he has a losing position on the long side. And then we
switch bias this way. And the same time when we try to short
something and it doesn't stop and it's going up up up. So,
you know that the the ones that actually into short that they are
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going to be screwed. Like yesterday in U R U R G O Yeah, it
had a a crazy breakout and the stock didn't go down because
everybody was trapping the short side and we have now a a market
condition or market environment that it's kind of easy to make
money shorting. So, a lot of traders just short everything it goes
push up and just wait for for the fade. And when it doesn't
work as higher highs, so and there there is a uptrend, that's
where the pain starts from the short side. So, we try to make a
long. >> Yeah, and I've I've I've I've
seen you take that exact trade. I remember being I
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think it was with you in I think it was Yeah, the trade.
>> I was with you Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, that that was kind
of the same. >> Do you remember? And yeah, there was a stock
like I think it was about 2:00 in the afternoon and the stock was
like squeezing above VWAP and I remember saying to you, "Is
that Is that a short because it's like it's pretty
extended now?" And you're like, "No, no, it's a
long." And I'm like, "But you're buying
You're buying pretty And And you're like, "But if it
goes even higher, it's an even better long." Yeah, I was
thinking >> everybody is more is losing more money.
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So, they have to exit the position more with more
aggressively. >> It sounds so simple and it probably is. So,
like you're looking for the typical Obviously, the market With
the market environment, starting with that are you just looking at
like how strong the market is? Are you looking at like more
macroeconomic factors of like the interest rates need to be lower,
the bond yields need to be lower, something like that? like that?
like that? >> Yeah, I I just trade small caps, so this kind of
macro news doesn't affect where I trade, but it affects to the
money flow. I mean, what I mean is that if there is a a a
uncertainty in
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the the big investors have us in certainty, it doesn't
mean the average investor doesn't want to risk the money. So,
it's more difficult to pump a a stock. That means that
it's going to be less opportunities like like we have these
these days or this year we had had had uh low opportunities and when
we have low opportunities, everybody is looking at the same tickers.
And it's very easy to for these tickers to get crowded on the
short side. So, everybody looks for for the short like like
it's well-known that small caps are or the semi 80% of them
close red on the day. So, a lot of traders just look for that and
that
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makes everybody looks for short. for short. for short. So, I
tend to to look what a stock it's strong on what the stock is
weak. And to go long on the strong stocks or when they were breaking
out uh with volume and go short to the stocks that uh are weak. And
I tend to to understand not just traders like me, but more traders
like uh how they trade in this kind of market and a lot of traders
in keep in Twitter where saying like a zero ocean and and
nobody's making money and that make me think that uh like the
all the 2025 has been very good for the short sellers. So, a lot
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of people is going to have this mentality uh on shorting
everything. So, So, So, I tend to not not short what's crowded
or the stock that has a lot of volume or target when the long
doesn't work. That's a good short. >> Yeah, so just
just so I I it is crazy first of all that a lot of people on X are
saying that they're not making money and it's the hardest
I've ever and like you have a strategy that does make money and
it and obviously going to show how it and a couple of charts in a
little bit but just so I understand this cuz it seems quite simple.
So like I don't
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want you to give everything away but like just the basics is
kind of like if it's above VWAP but it looks like a good setup
uh with good catalyst, good strength, good whatever good volume,
you'll take it above VWAP and then if it's the opposite,
you'll take a short below. >> Yeah, actually or some
sometimes if there is a stock with a with a low volume that
it's maybe 120% up like yesterday AHM A I think it was. Like it
was going up with new without news. news. news. Uh it was 120% or
something like that. And it was a Chinese stock. So I said,
"Okay." I mean if the average stock doesn't go up
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up up or higher than 100% in the last 3 months and it
doesn't there is no more volume coming up coming up coming up
it's going to be a short. Um because nobody is going to demand
this stock so it's going to go down. Just because that
doesn't make any sense. sense. sense. Uh the problem is if you
short the stock and then the volume starts coming up uh coming in
and that's when I have to change my mind thinking that my
thesis is wrong because my thesis was based on that's a short
because it's very a lot of uh a huge percentage. It's like
120 or whatever. whatever. whatever. It's Chinese and it
doesn't
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have to be a lot of with a lot of volume. If the volume comes
in, the thesis is wrong and I have to switch my my my to close my
trade and uh start maybe a long position. Um but definitely to stop
uh shorting a stock. stock. stock. >> Yeah, I think I think
that's a really big psychological difference towards how a lot
of other people trade when I think about it. It's This is stuff
I've never even thought of before, like this kind of
psychology. When people say, "Oh, someone's married to a
stock." Like that's a common don't be married to a
stock. It's like It's like an old It's an old lesson,
right?
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But a lot of people do get, especially in times like now
where they're not making money. Like this has to work. This is
God. >> Yeah, yeah. They're not anymore and more.
>> Yeah, like it's got to kick. >> I put on you.
>> I know there's a big thing with energy right now in
the in the Gulf of Hormuz. But um But um But um I think you're
entering a trade, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're
entering a trade and you're like you're saying,
"Okay, it's above VWAP. It's got lots of volume.
It's a long, but I'm going to watch the energy on the
tape. I'm going to watch the the level two.
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I'm going to watch the strength of the chart and
I'm going to wait to see if I'm wrong. And if I'm
wrong, everyone else is wrong and I'm switching where others
would stay married. stay married. stay married. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly. >> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh that's
basically what I do. Like the psychology and uh Like this principle,
it's very important and I will always think why I can be wrong
before the trade goes against me and it goes under VWAP. I try to
think if there is some signal I can be aware that uh stops me from
being in that direction before it goes under VWAP. >> Yeah,
but it's like you have
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three outcomes when you enter a trade. Uh Uh Uh like say if
you go along on a trade above VWAP and it crashes and it hits under
under under you're you're that right, but you have to
wait. to wait. to wait. You have to just do nothing because
you're not sure. Are you wrong and you need to go short? So So
So how do you know which decision to make because so many people are
long and then they're short and then they're long and then
they're short and then they lose their way. It's like how
many times does that happen to people? How do you avoid that? that?
that? >> I uh when I get
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into a long position I do it buying the dip. So when the
stock goes extended in one direction, I try to look for the bounce.
So if there is no bounce and if there is no bounce in 5 minutes
maybe Yeah, I know that maybe it's because somebody is selling
and then it doesn't let the stock goes up. So that's one
signal I say, "Okay, I maybe if it doesn't bounce
I'll just cut my position. And and then when the stock proves
me that I was wrong Gus is right and I stop all my position in VWAP.
in VWAP. in VWAP. But I switch my bias uh there, but I my my entries
are on
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the bounces. So the stock has to go to bounce again because
yeah it may happen that I got short on the worst price possible and
then the stock uh Yeah, exactly. And then the stock just goes on my
against me. So I I wait for that bounce to short for the people that
were holding the the position of less loss or they are making money
on the bounce. So they sell and then the stock goes down. down.
down. Yeah, I'm not sure if I say or English >> No, it
makes full sense. So, like you you're waiting for a strong
stock to push. You wait for a pullback. You go along the pullback.
If the
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pullback isn't as strong as you expected, you'll
cut it. And then if it does crash down, you'll wait for a
bounce to get short in and then you're again testing the
strength of that bounce. Short is it too strong? Is it not strong
enough? >> Yeah, exactly. Exactly. >> It's very I
feel like you're giving too much away I feel like I
couldn't have you shouldn't be on this podcast. It was
it's too late. >> I have a Jewish mom. >> Good.
>> Good. >> Good. Is there anything else? I like cuz I
was with Edu where I was trading with Edu in in in in Poland and I
was trading with it. I wasn't
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trading with him. I was just with him in his hotel room cuz I
was at an event with him. And Edu was like oh, this is this is a
kind of Fitzgerald or this is a this is a X type of market maker or
X type of um person that facilitates its deals for pipes or funding
or something like that or dilution. Like HC Wainwright is one of the
guys. Yeah, it's like when when HC Wainwright do this, the
chart often is like this. Does that make any sense to you or
>> Yeah, he I hear him talking about that sometimes, but
sometimes, but sometimes, but to be honest, I don't know
anything about dilution
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and Yeah, maybe years ago I tried to you know more about the
dilution and it looks more random for me. Sometimes you you can
expect either the stock has a huge ATM or or you know, ever Yeah, so
you can expect some expect some expect some that that the stock
it's not going to be good for the long. >> It's hard
as well though. I mean you I think really like I I don't want
to name any platforms, but I've paid for and used a lot of
different platforms and I feel like I get different amounts of
months cash left on each platform that I use and use and use and
it's like I'm not
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sure how authentic the data is that I'm getting and then
if the data is incorrect and you go short a bunch and they're
not diluting then it's terrible. terrible. terrible. >>
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah. >> For
me it makes more sense to detect to know where to detect the back
holder. back holder. back holder. So, So, So, in the in the in the
to know where people bought in the past. So, when the stock goes to
these prices again, they will be more likely to sell. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that makes more sense for
me for shorting the stocks and dilution. >> And it's more
than likely
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like a much bigger audience as well. Like there's like
if you have 15 million people want to get out of a stock cuz
they're trapped, it's much more than 2 million. >>
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> dollars raised.
>> Yeah, well, whatever it is. >> Sure. Yeah. >>
We'll get into some charts in a in a minute, but I just I just
want to check with you cuz like is your strategy kind of that simple
or is there much more to it without you going too far? Like is it
much more than what you've outlined? >> I mean there
there is a lot of practice on on that and a lot of experience that
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on on paper it's difficult to show that on paper or in
in a podcast. And that's why I used to stream everything on on
my Discord to show to show to show all the details that are not
going to be in the playbook. So, I wouldn't say it's
simple. But But But it's not difficult. >> Yeah, I think
it's not difficult. >> The process that you're
following is not it's not some complicated multi >> Yeah,
I don't think so. But But But it's sure that sometimes you
have to match match match two concepts very fast. Yeah, I don't
know if I said it right. >> Connect two things quickly.
>> Yeah, you have to connect
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things very fast and fast and fast and I remember I remember
I remember what happened with this stuff two months ago or and
that's not on the playbook or that's not on not on not on
on this podcast. So there is something that it's not as simple
as as we speak. Yeah. speak. Yeah. speak. Yeah. >> So so tell
tell me quickly before going to the charts like this Iran this how
would how have you changed your trading because of the Iran-USA
conflict because you're the only person that I've seen
like Eddie as well obviously but like you're one of the few
people I've seen making money. So like is it is that like like
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like like oil is really really hot. It's a hot sector.
hot sector. hot sector. Let's let's move into those stocks
or how are you trading? >> Yeah, so my first thesis on on the
war was everybody is going to be very excited for buying oil.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it
happened like uh in June or July that it had like the US bombed
Iran. Nothing happened. So and like Trump said that that would be
like four or five week war and la la la I said okay maybe it's
not going to be much different than it was the last time. So I was
not trying to short everything but when the
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stock wasn't showing that it wasn't a long a long a
long I was going short to take the money from these traders that
went long for the excitement. excitement. excitement. Yeah, so first
of all I started to to trade like these tickers, like not believing
on on the long side, but I wasn't going to to short everything.
And then, I was like the opportunities were lower because a lot of
people were looking for the oil and and the gold and silver and
these kind of assets that I don't trade, so the opportunities
were lower. lower. lower. And the volume was as was lower as um
also. also. also. So, I tried more to to scalp
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and not to hold a lot of positions. Like today with Bubs,
BABS, it was a short, but it wasn't going down. So, if it
doesn't go down, I wouldn't marry the stock because a lot
of people is looking the same like me. me. me. And these recent days
and weeks, a lot of Chinese stocks has been pumping up and dropping
crazy since from the highs, like 80 90% from the highs. highs.
highs. So, a lot of people was looking for for the same movement on
the short side. And in Bubs, I said, "Okay, I I don't want
to be in this war because there is a lot of eyes on on that."
And it was
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trading like 400 million volume. So, I was trying to not be
on the crowded the crowded the crowded with what was obvious. And I
was trying to when the when the oil and these stocks were going up,
I was trying to short for for a few days, like in VIATL. Like I was
trying to short for a few days when it was in 29. And I got a news
pending pending pending in pre-market that I was the first time I
got that in my life, and I was kind of nervous because I didn't
know what was going to happen. Luckily, it was a good news. I mean,
bad news for the for the stock holder,
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but good was a for me because I was short. And then And then
And then the next day I was short in another stock and it was
another news pending. So it it it was kind of weird this this month.
this month. this month. >> You have a community now? >>
Yeah. Uh yeah, I have a Discord group where I I stream everything
with my students and we review the the trades uh they do with uh
some pro traders that are uh trading next next to me. It it does
start when we were like a little group and I was uh the more
experienced trader and they they were calling the lots of Vineta and
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it was it started like a joke basically and now it's uh
it's a name of our group. our group. our group. My goal there
is to be transparent with everybody and showing every trade I I do
and uh trying to resolve every doubt um the student can have.
>> And I guess I guess it's is it mostly Spanish or
you've got some South American in there? Any Brazilian? Yeah.
>> Uh I don't I don't think so. Yeah, but I have
some people from mostly from Spain from Spain from Spain and then
some people from Argentina, Colombia, Chile. Colombia, Chile.
Colombia, Chile. Like I said to you when I was starting my trading
career in Barcelona
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that it was a trading uh group of people uh pushing each
other uh to size up every every week and it was like a a challenge
between your mates who was making more money and who was having a
better performance. So it's not like we compete between us, but
seeing other traders next to you and because everybody posts their
their trades and the P&L and and seeing uh he made that money
hour and maybe it's something somebody that started that
started that started with you. So, that gives you more energy to to
say, "Hey, that's possible. Let's let's push it
and let's do it." >> I guess the way you trade is
like you can
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go long, you can go short, you can switch. I see you trading
a lot of tickers, trading a lot of volume. And you seem a very calm,
kind of composed person. So, person. So, person. So, I guess
you're the right person to be a trader. But like, did you learn
that? Or have you had some massive loss in the past or past or past
or >> Yeah, so um I encounter 99% of the time. Sometimes
Sometimes Sometimes when I don't get filled like today on on
URG, on URG, on URG, uh UGL, sorry. But I was going to be short and
I posted a an order and I didn't get filled. Um Um Um I
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was grateful years. And sometimes I get emotion. Uh when
something like that happened because it was like a a super fast win
and I couldn't take it. I get frustrated sometimes, but um I
think it's experience with time that you learn from to to keep
calm, to accept losses, accept losses, accept losses, to trade uh
the position and not the money. money. money. And I think when I
first started, I was years years years away from where I'm now
in terms of emotional control. emotional control. emotional control.
>> Is that have you read any like trading books that have
helped you or did you do anything in your life or it's just
time? >> No,
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it's just time. Um frustration. Um frustration. Um
frustration. Like when when you've been frustrated for the same
reason a hundred times the hundred and one is less frustrated. And
when it's a thousand, so maybe you don't care about it.
>> I had the worst discipline if anyone ever. And like it was
just him. Like I I remember with my trading I turned $600 into over
100,000 in 2021 and I was like really like I've got it.
I've got it but then 2022, 2023 like shorts started going
higher and higher and higher and that's what I was doing. Oh
yeah, um but my discipline I just couldn't cut a loss. Like as
soon as I went
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down 2K I couldn't I just thought I don't want to
lose 2K and I was in this loop if forever if forever if forever not
able to cut. And I I had to stop drinking. I quit drinking alcohol.
Um and um when I quit drinking alcohol I took 6 months off, stopped
drinking alcohol alcohol alcohol and started living a more
disciplined life and I've not had any bad losses in about in
about in about 8 months? 8 months or something like that? that?
that? >> Yeah, that's that's crazy. Um Um Um
>> But I I had to change everything. Like I loved to I loved
drinking bottles of wine. Like Like Like it was my
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favorite thing to do was to drink two bottles of wine in a
night. >> That's very hard. That's very hard to do.
To do. To do. To >> Yeah, like uh uh uh um one of the things I
learned in this uh day trading office in Barcelona was the max loss
was a thing that was unchangeable. And yeah, I did change it. Uh Uh
Uh and and and my second and my third biggest loss was for a lack of
discipline. So, I had to learn it for uh the hard way. I had a a max
loss. At that time we you didn't have like a auto liquidation
or you had 1 minute after you reached
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that max loss. After that minute, if you didn't close
your position, the max loss was executed. Uh I remember in 2022 in
2021 when Trump and um two social company it was at that moment the
work. the work. the work. So I was short there this stock because it
it was going up and all the sympathies sympathies sympathies at that
moment I didn't understand anything but now I see that's
crazy. So I was as it was going crazy I was starting and I reached
my max loss twice. said the manager to set me a higher max loss. So
in two days I lost 44 or 45 thousand dollars and it was the 25% of
my
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profits from there. And I said okay and it was in two days in
two days in a row. And I said okay that's crazy. And if I keep
changing my max loss I may be broke or I may lost 80% of the profits
and I may not be trading anymore, you know? >> Something
eventually clicks. It did for me anyway. Something and obviously we
can all make mistakes again and it's super possible but
something clicked within me that said if you stay in this trade now
that it's gone wrong it ends up worse more times than it ends
up better. And you you only you're only making a big mistake.
And these are the things
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that separate profitable traders from losing traders. So just
get get out. out. out. Just get it out. >> And sometimes what
happens is that you hold a position, it's wrong and then the
stock goes down and you said okay that's lucky I did I did it
and it's a a bad habit with a good feedback. good feedback.
good feedback. And I have another story you be before uh trying uh
just before uh learning from Edu. Like 2 days after uh before that.
I was shorting a stock called ADTX. And I shorted when the stock was
at 20. Because it was like 200% up or something like that. And I
said, "Okay, my stop loss it's
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going to be at 30." But at 30, the stock was even more
up. And I said, "Okay, now it's a time and it's going
to go down." There uh no way it was it keeps going. So, the
stock was halted to halted. Uh and it reached like 70 or 75. I was
losing huge money. huge money. huge money. I was praying like,
"Please, God." Just asking for one. Finally, I got a halt
down. It was from 70 or 75 to to 40. My loss was 80% less or
something like that. I knew it was wrong and I never did it again,
but uh that bad experience make you know that everything is possible
and you
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have to be one step ahead of that. Like shorting China
pre-market stocks. Uh you know that it can be crazy and and it could
be like PLYX, I think, in English. It was going to $2 for to 16 2
minutes or something like that. that. that. >> A lot of the
times when you cut a loss, it will go the direction that you wanted
it to and you would have made back your money or you would have got
out okay. Like more more times than not, you would get out okay. But
like yeah, I still in my head I'm just like just like just like
I don't care what happened. I'm glad that uh I
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did the right thing. I don't care what happened. Yeah,
my entry wasn't good or it just didn't work. Maybe I could
have had a better entry you know, I would have still been in. Um but
I never regret "Oh, I wish I didn't cut. Oh, no, I I cut
it too early." But that's the worst worst way you can
think. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yeah, sometimes uh that
happened when I wouldn't be trading with my and live trading
with my group. And somebody stops the position and has a big loss
and I said, "That's what you have to do." I mean,
sometimes you have to lose
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and and you have to accept it. It's part of game.
Sometimes it's higher than others, but and it hurts. But
it's uh it's a way trading is. You can't change it.
That's something I learned from Edu a lot. When to cut the
losers and don't get to stubborn in in idea that's not
working. >> Uh do you want to bring up a couple of trades just
to to to round off your initial? initial? initial? Um I'm
curious to see some of the theory in action. in action. in action.
>> So, I was trying to look for a first red day in this stock
that it was trading weeks ago at two and it was trading
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at 10. So, it was overextended in in the daily. So, I was
trying to to look for a weak signal to get short. So, So, So, uh at
the beginning at the stock I tried to long the stock when it was
showing strength. I was long here and then when the stock went down,
I was good. So, So, So, I think I cover it's very little, but I
cover all the position here, but it you don't see after before
the halted happened. I cover everything because the So, there is I I
am >> Ah, yeah. So, wait, you're long there, right? So,
you you sell it. >> Yeah, I'm Yeah, this is long and the
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green green green uh yellow arrow it's but it's on
the back of the blue. It's a sell. So, I sold I sold I sold all
my position or almost all my position here. position here. position
here. >> So, yeah, so this is typical of you like you going
long on the dip. You selling some profits, then you going long
thinking that's the next dip, but that's that's not a
dip. >> Yeah, that's not a dip. >> And I was I knew
I was aware that the stock was overextended on the daily. So, I
wasn't very careful on the long and it looks like I buy a lot
of times but it's I don't have a
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big position. So, I think I lost scale 10% of my Yeah. I lost
like 10% of the of my my max loss. So, it's wasn't a big
deal. And then And then And then when when when I was thinking that
everybody was screwed on the long side. That was my trigger to go
short. So, I trend to go short on the bounces, cover on the on the
continuation. the continuation. the continuation. Another Another
Another push. push. push. Or another pullback. So, I try to to short
that short that short that with with with a higher level like here.
I don't remember to be honest. But see at every push it goes I
I tend to
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to short. Um Um Um >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >>
Yeah. >> I remember here was very annoying because I got not
huge position, but I wasn't wasn't wasn't expecting
that going straight up without any bounces that I couldn't
recycle anything. And again it at that time like the the trade was
over for me like the stock went to eight to six or lower than six.
So, I have everything I I wanted in this uh first hour and a half
after the uh sorry, the start. Um but yeah, I that was a a pretty
good one. one. one. Because I go uh um with huge size here.
That's where the the imbalance starts. And that's when
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I'm very interested on on longing the stock. Uh going
short, sorry. sorry. sorry. >> Yeah, I love your charts cuz
your your like people will say your charts look pretty crazy. Your
executions look crazy. But when you explain them, there's total
there's total method and sense to the madness. There's
there's total sense and there's strategy behind them. I I
love how you trade. >> The good thing is that I don't
marry the stock as we talk about it. If I have to switch the bias, I
don't have any problem on on doing that. If you know when you
are wrong and you don't oversize unnecessarily, oversize
unnecessarily, oversize unnecessarily, the losses are not going to
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be hugely crazy. crazy. crazy. >> Just before you
switch off this one like the are you risking kind of levels here?
Are you feeling price action thing and this bounces too strong I
might start getting out. Is it are you risking levels or just feel?
>> Yeah, it yeah, I'm risking levels. Like when the stock
is trading here, so my my stop is here. Or it's when the the
the trends changes, so that's when when uh like my stop loss.
So, once the stock drops, stock drops, stock drops, it doesn't
make any sense to have the stop at uh these high levels. So, um when
the stock is here, maybe my stop loss is here.
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When I When I When I um I have uh the position here, so my
stop loss maybe here or maybe be what. So, that's I I lower my
risk and if it goes up I um um um I don't um I mean, I say I
close the position. >> Yeah, so you'll see I just
according to the level, so you're not too >> Exactly. One
place. Exactly. And like that there is a breakdown zone when the
established here established here established here if it bounces
over this level maybe I'm interested in shorting against this
level again, but here it's like okay. um um um It doesn't
have to go up. And if it goes up
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maybe something's wrong. So, just start thinking on on
managing the position uh uh uh correctly. correctly. correctly.
>> So, you can a lot of what you're doing is trend
following? >> I mean, I I never thought about it, but yeah, it
can be described as that. >> Sometimes >> Sometimes
>> Sometimes >> times I I go short front side, like when
the stock goes up I short this this moves because I I think like
that the daily we are back side on the daily chart, basically.
chart, basically. chart, basically. >> So, yeah. >> In
1-minute chart it's front side, but the big picture trend is is
a downtrend, so I try to to follow this
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bigger trend. >> It can be trend following sometimes,
but it's not it's not all this. Yeah. >> Yeah,
exactly. >> Cuz you're contrarian almost on on the other
ones. other ones. other ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Here AMBN.
It was also a first red day. So, again I started traded 50 cents and
it's trading like seven. It's like okay, and it's the
second day it's a gap up. So So So I tend to that that's
my main picture it's a short and I can long this this this this
um um um uptrend move uh buying the dips. I don't know why I
didn't do that. >> Maybe because you don't buy the
dips. >> Yeah,
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maybe I I can sometimes I can try. But but like the stock
it's it's trading at seven and it two days before it was
at six uh at 50 cents. So, sometimes uh I it scares me. It's
like buying on the top. top. top. So, I just wait for the backside.
And as again, like I told you that uh this dips can be a deep
buying. So, So, So, another chubby could be buying these stocks.
stocks. stocks. Uh and when it's it doesn't work, I go
short. short. short. Because that that trend uh can be changed. So,
I short here, cover, short the bounces, cover, short the bounces,
cover, short the bounces, cover. cover. cover.
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And when I make a lot of money, it's when the bounces
are big and the drops are all also big. Yeah. Another bounce,
another drop, another bounce, another drop, another bounce, another
drop. And that's the the final drop. final drop. final drop.
>> Sorry to interrupt. Do you find that you can still make
money because that is that open is kind of an uptrend, but you still
because the bounces are big enough, you can make money still?
>> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I try and sometimes it happens that
I'm wrong. And that's why in Kim for there is a huge um
huge um huge um a huge um win rate. Not my only my thesis are
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not I mean I can be wrong in my thesis and still make money
because of these bounces. And then when the stock um consolidates
and doesn't go down, I close half of my position and then it
reaches my my stop loss. But as I made money before, so it's a
positive trade, even though my thesis is not it's not correct.
>> Yeah, but these aren't small bounces. These must be
like seven seven eight percent moves up. Just these little zigzags
up. Eight percent up, eight percent down, 10% up, 7% down. But
they're lots of little good trades. >> Yeah, and yeah,
exactly. And that's what I learned in Barcelona the first three
years of trading
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was the one that told me you have to know the direction of
the chart, not just trying to make money on the on the bounces and
and have a bigger picture. picture. picture. >> But like is
there a skill to the bounces? Is there like a level two in hockey
staying or reading the tape or >> It's about knowing the
volatility that the stock can can be against you betting that the
volatility doesn't go higher without any recycle opportunity.
>> Yeah, so to to a lot of degree it's feel it's
feel as well in in the situation. >> Yeah, and you have to be
you have to have have have hot keys to know what
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levels are important, what levels make you wrong. Even though
like maybe I you have to have a hard stop loss. Like maybe if the
stock reaches the pre-market high and you're short, you have to
exit the position. That's a hard stop loss. So there's no
no doubt. But you have to have the level between the price and the
max lot and the stop loss where you have to start thinking that your
position it's not on the right direction. And knowing yeah, how
the price reacts on that on these levels and if that makes sense to
keep chasing this trade or you just let it go. >> No,
that's fantastic Travis. I think this has been
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an incredible education. It was I think when I spoke to you
briefly in Madrid, I thought, "Holy this guy like really really
knows what he's talking about and he's got a real
he's got a real good um grasp of the market and think what
you've delivered there has been is really really really good
value. I think it's will help the community tremendously.
tremendously. tremendously. So, thank you. I appreciate I really
appreciate you being transparent and giving that knowledge to me and
I'm sure it's going to help like a lot of people. >>
Yeah, happy to share everything I can and it's my first
interview in English. English. English. I hope I hope I hope I
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could express myself correctly and I'll keep trying to
improve that also. >> No, it was great. No, it was great and
it was very clear and and I I I I know how you feel. I did one in
Portuguese a couple of months ago and it was like was like was like
I was like three three times more nervous than I am to do it in
English for God knows what reason. We'll put your Twitter
below. I'll put a link to your room below in case there's
any Spanish people watching that so they can they can find your room
below where you're teaching. But, if you've got any any
final words or anything like that,
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I'll I'll let you close out. close out. close out.
>> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, I mean, I would say
resilience is very important. Like even though I started in the
COVID market, I struggled for almost 3 years and all these 3 years
of struggling make me the trader I am right now. So, try to learn
from the best. In King Fo, there is a lot of good traders. Some of
the traders on King Fo has their educational services. educational
services. educational services. So, go for transparent people. Start
with low money a little money until you know what you're doing
and when you have edge and your equity curve goes down. I goes up,
sorry.
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And your tower runs are are okay. So, just go for for it, for
everything. Yeah. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you very much.
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Today we welcome Bob Dog. His account has recently exploded
to 1.3 million. >> I'm not worried about the shares going
up or down. Where I'm focused just on the premiums. When
somebody has that type of volatility, I can get like 6% a week. This
was the big click for me and what has like totally changed my
trading. Now I know to go full blast [music] when I'm getting
these bullish signals versus the bear signals. I want good
fundamentals. Fundamentals kind of tell you what to buy, but then
the technicals are going to tell you when to buy. Fundamentally this
is a good company. This is where I really started looking at getting
in and then
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I get some of my buy signals with these blue stars. [music]
This is where I will sell a cash secured put. I would sell it
generally at my first blue star. As I'm getting more blue
stars, I'll actually sell more cash secured puts. As long as
this is in a bullish trend, I'm going to sell sell sell
That's essentially my strategy. >> Welcome to Ken Fo
Undiscovered Traders. Today we welcome Bob Dog, an options seller
who aims to make 1% a week and is one of Ken Fo's newest
verified millionaires. millionaires. millionaires. In his first year
on Ken Fo, he grinded around 300, 400,000. His account has recently
exploded to 1.3 million and he's quickly
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nearing the top 10 leaderboard. Today we break down how he
did it, his complete options approach, approach, approach, and what
he did to make things go vertical. vertical. vertical. So So So
basically you've done 1.3 million, which is insane. Well done.
Congratulations. What's even more insane is you've done it
with a full-time job. So you sell options for 1% a week. And So
first of all, if you just want to explain like what it What is this?
>> I think most people are probably familiar with buying
options in in the retail world retail world retail world because you
again you see on X or Wall Street Bets or something where the people
are these turning
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these crazy amounts overnight, like you just said. It's
like $600 to 100,000 and everyone wants to do that. Um so they take
these uh they they they buy these options which are basically just
like these contracts that uh you know, if the stock price goes up,
you may make a bunch of money. If it goes down, you don't make
anything. Um Um Um and what I do is I sell those contracts to
people. So, I will sell because, you know what, a thousand people
are going to buy that same $600 contract you did and 999 of them are
going to not make money off it. There's that one person that
will, that will, that will,
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but 999 people, I'm selling to them and I'm going
to make profit off that. And I think if you look at my win rate for
this for year to date, it's not 999, but it's it's
it's I think 85% win rate. By doing what I'm doing, okay,
so let's just say 850 people out of a thousand are going are
going to lose that bet. I'm I'm taking that and I'm
selling options to them. Uh it's very similar to casino. Like
where the house the house wins wins wins consistently over time. Um
Um Um and I'm generally selling options that expire this week
or next week. I do very short-dated options because options because
options because
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uh theta, and if you don't know what theta is, theta is,
theta is, uh may want to like research some theta what that is, but
it it it's one of the Greeks Greeks Greeks um and it
essentially decays the the value of that contract over time and it
accelerates tremendously as you get closer to expiration. Um very
much so like the day before. Um and so I'll do I'll sell a
lot of times on Mondays, I'll sell uh options that expire
Friday. expire Friday. expire Friday. And I'll watch them
slowly uh appreciate in value and then by Wednesday, Thursday, they
start exploding value. exploding value. exploding value. And um
I'll just I essentially I'll most
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of the time I just let them expire or I'll sell them for
like or buy them back for like a penny. Um Um Um so that's
mainly what I'm doing is just I'm selling selling options.
I'm the casino casino casino um while others are trying to
gamble Um and like I said, 85% win rate doing that. I think I'm
very comfortable with with with those kind of odds. There is more
than I'm not just selling options in like random stocks or like
every single Monday and every Friday mechanically. Like there's
also you have to know what is happening in the macro environment.
Have to be very in tune with what is happening globally. What are
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Trump's tweets? Love him or hate him. I'll just
like you have to know what this what is happening. This whole thing
in Iran, what's going on with China. All these things you have
to understand what's going on with interest rates, the Bank of
Japan. All this stuff is impacting impacting impacting the markets.
And then you also I want to find very fundamentally sound stocks and
companies. I'm not just selling options on companies that have
no revenue or aren't growing. aren't growing. aren't
growing. They need to be very good companies. And then I think the
last piece that I'll just add is the technical should be good
as well. as well. as well. Like I wouldn't
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want to sell an option on on on on on a falling knife.
>> So what did you start with and what changed in the last 6
months to go from 300k to 1.3 million? >> Um >> Um
>> Um I think Well, I had a really good year last year. I
think I think it's that's just the snowball effect of the
account growing and growing and growing and the bull run as well. I
think I think that's that's really the main thing. Um My
win rate really picked up this year. If if you look at my win rate
last year it was probably like 70% and this year I think actually
might have been like
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65. This year it's closer to 85. It is creeping up
towards like 87. Um 87. Um 87. Um I think that's the big thing.
And what I changed last year um um um If anybody remembers, I'm
sure you do if you're a active trader, but October was brutal.
October and November um um um was really just brutal. Um you know,
market was flying high and and and um you can see my dip there.
Look, I think it's November 9th or whatever. Um Um Um Uh yeah.
That was That was really frustrating to me. >> Before we dive
in, if you're watching this live, there's a code in this
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unlock the trading history and lock tickers and verify traders on
Kimfo. You actually get to see what they're actually trading,
plus a full journal of analytics uh on your own trades. That's
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bobdog26. You've got until Sunday night. It's only the
people that are watching this live can claim it. Enjoy the rest of
the episode. >> Um so, I started like This is where I got into
building indicators indicators indicators um um um because I
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wanted to be able to to pinpoint at which point uh the
momentum shifts shifts shifts in in the market. And either from a
bullish or bearish standpoint. And you can use this honestly, you
don't have to use this for selling options. This is great for
swing trading. Um I have people in my community just crushing it
just swing trading trading trading uh with these things, but I
started building out these stars and and um so, like I'll just
a purple star is like a bearish momentum point. And a blue star is
like a bullish momentum point. momentum point. momentum point. And
so, I'm looking at um so, pur- purple's bearish, blue is
bullish. I'm looking
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at a weekly chart because to me, weekly's my favorite
because it takes out all the noise. A lot of people look at like
5-minute chart or hourly chart. There's some even daily.
There's so much noise in there. Um and then like a monthly
chart is accurate, but it's it's a little slow. So, I
really like the weekly. This is This is what I'm charting every
Sunday when I spend my day charting. Um, but I can I I have If I
look at my chart here, I've got four indicators up.
Essentially, this this kind of gold regime regime regime Um, the
gold the gold candles are essentially in a bullish, the gray candles
are is bearish
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trend. And I have three other indicators down here here here
um, that are kind of also giving me these stars. these stars. these
stars. But, I can see back here now. Um, Um, Um, uh, I can't
see the date on my screen. Oh, yeah. So, this is August, actually.
August 25th, Bitcoin gave us the first uh, kind of purple stars
here. I got three, which when I get one, that that's kind of
the indication, but when I when I get three, I'm basically
going to say, "Okay, this is very bullish or bearish."
>> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> So, I
Now, I'm basically getting out of Bitcoin at this point. Even
though it went
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back up here a little bit, we're flashing some some
bearish signs. And this thing just absolutely tanked if you look at
this. Um, Um, Um, and then if I look at now, we're starting to
get some blue stars going. Um, going. Um, going. Um, and so, this is
where I started getting more bullish on Bitcoin April 6th. Um, so if
you look at like my Kinfo account, you see explosion. I was selling
in the money cash secured puts on things like MSTR and Coinbase,
very large positions. And just rode this huge explosion. explosion.
explosion. And I think this is this is probably likely the bottom
for Bitcoin. I you know, nothing's going to be perfect.
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This thick this thick uh, thick bar here is the 200 weekly
moving average. That's probably going to be really good support
if it does drop down again. That's probably where I would start
loading up again. again. again. Um, but the last piece I'll
just call out my bottom indicator here. This is kind of like the
gold lines are whales. And the white line is like retail. And this
is like accumulation. And so, I want to see this actually like
crossover to where whales are buying Bitcoin more um than retail and
that to me that's when Bitcoin is going to go crazy again. And
so this is this is like one example. I'll pull up um
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if it's all right, I'll pull up Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> But that yeah, that silver flow is that an indicator that
you've created, customized or is this >> Yeah, I I have
built all of these myself and they are right now they're
invite-only. invite-only. invite-only. Um I don't have these
things public like they're part of my community. Um Uh you
know, I think this is I I I even tried to publish some public on
TradingView didn't have a ton of success there. there. there.
Um but yeah, right now I've got these things just as
invite-only. Um And yeah, so I I've built these things. And and
I'll just call it like Hims. It was like
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the exact same thing. If I look at it was July. Literally
July was telling me get the heck out of Hims. And if you just listen
to this thing you could have avoided Hims all the way from at that
point it was 50 a share all the way down and then it gives us a buy
signal. buy signal. buy signal. Uh was it just under 19 was our buy
signal. So this is where I start to get back into Hims. And
it's such a similar chart. Um But yeah, this is this is kind of
this is like this was the big click for me and what has like totally
changed my trading. Like I was
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already profitable I was doing good, but this is just like
okay, now I know to go full blast when I'm getting these
bullish signals versus the bear signals. >> And this uh these
indicators are incredible because I it's it's funny
I've just been starting to look into uh uh uh everyone always
says follow the money, but no one really knows how important follow
the money means and and follow follow investor follow what
institutions are doing and and that so that indicator where you can
you can pick up what institutions are doing versus what retail is
doing and see that transition. It's it's incredible.
>> Well, that's that's who moves the market. Though,
like institutions and
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whales move the market. It's not us like retail traders.
They don't they barely even when you get these uh FinTwit
influencers that are have a ton of followers, like they're
really not moving the market unless unless it's just an
absolute penny stock. Like they're not even moving this stuff.
So, that's who you follow. Follow big money. And I think like
so many traders and like even myself in the past tried to fight the
trend. You you hear this trend is your friend. I'm going to
catch the bottom. I'm going to sell the top. No, you're
not. Like just the like it's not even worth it. Just it
it's tr- the the stock market is it
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it almost follows like uh the Newtonian laws of physics where
like an object in motion stays in motion unless like the it gets
forced against it. it. it. When when a stock is going up, it's
generally just keeps going up. And so, these indicators just catch
that momentum. momentum. momentum. Um I'm not catching the
bottom, but I'm going to catch the momentum and I'll ride
it. And I may not sell the top, but I can get pretty close to it.
>> Well, that's getting your strategy. Now, if if you
want to throw up a screenshot and just just while you do that, like
a lot of people can invest, right? A lot of people can
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invest and make 10 A lot of people can put money in Tesla and
Facebook or meta or or Google and be like, "Ah, 10% a year,
I'm doing well." or 15 in a in a good year. But no one can
really day trade. Like very very few can day trade. 0.5% are the
ones who make it. But then you get this thing in the middle, which
is what I found and what you're doing. This this mid-term swing
trading kind of game. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Where you you've made a million dollars doing it. Like
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And this is
the start. So, So, I think this is
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a real space for a lot of people. And if if I guess if you
can just break down roughly like how a new person can get into it,
some of the things you look at, what your weekly strategy is, I
think it's huge value. value. value. >> Um yeah, I mean
again, I can touch on like like like to me to me to me I get my
indicator and this is again Mara and sorry this is another like
crypto-related stock, but it just came to my mind as something. Um
where like I was I was getting signals that on March 9th, this is
actually the first crypto-related stock that it signals or or DC
stock,
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by the way. For anybody that likes DCs, um this was the first
one, which is a interesting sign. interesting sign. interesting
sign. I was getting the kind of signals to start trading this back
at $8 and now it's like it's like it's like you know,
almost 14. Um so that that's kind of like my first thing that
I'm looking to do um is do I have like bullish momentum bullish
momentum bullish momentum um on the stock or um try to think if
there's an Oh, here's here's another one I would
potentially look at. So, I'm going to I'm going to pull up
ASTS on the daily time frame. I'm just going to remove a few
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things here. Um Um Um but ASTS I looked at I'm going to
zoom way back out. And let me uh take a couple things couple things
couple things uh just make this clear. This thick gold bar is the
200 daily moving average. I was looking at ASTS all the way back and
it really hadn't been below this since like uh it like in like
2 years. And so, when ASTS uh a couple weeks ago or I mean, this is
like 2 weeks ago, was dropping it down into the 70s, I was like,
"There's pretty damn good chance it's going to going
to going to it's going to find support at the 200 daily moving
average
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because that's what it's hit for 2 years." And
look what happened, this thing is freaking just rocketed up. So, uh
myself, my community, like we were going hard on ASTS and then you
start getting some getting some getting some buy signals as well,
you go even bigger on these things. Uh I will do a version of what
people call the wheel. People will call it the wheel. I I I do a
little more aggressive than that, but like the the idea of the wheel
is that you will sell a cash-secured put on a stock you are
comfortable owning. And if the stock goes up, the price goes up, um
you essentially collect the premium from
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from that option contract, and then you move on, and
it's over. If the stock price goes down, then you get assigned
the shares potentially, and then you will own that stock at whatever
strike you selected. So, that that's the first part of the
cash-secured put, first part of the wheel. The next part that people
would do is they would sell a covered call after they get assigned
those shares. Then then they would then sell calls on those shares
those shares those shares a few dollars or whatever above that
strike price that they get assigned at. And they're collecting
premium, and they're going to do that repeatedly until those
shares until the strike price goes above
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or until the stock price goes above their strike. Um [snorts]
when that happens, the shares get called away. And then now
they're back in cash. Then they're doing cash-secured puts
again, and they're very much just doing this wheel type thing.
Um Um Um that's like your basic uh option selling thing. And if
you go on Reddit, there's all these wheel communities and
communities and communities and uh they'll tell you what
I'm doing is impossible. They'll say like a 1% a week, and
then you're like you no chance. chance. chance. I I think some
of the analysis I've talked about you have to do. Um but I I
would say I'm a little more like premium
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optimization, where I'm focused just on the premiums.
the premiums. the premiums. I'm not worried about the shares
going up or down. Um a lot of people when they sell covered calls in
this example get very frustrated when the stock price shoots up. So,
they may they may own a stock at $100, and they sell a covered call
for $105, meaning meaning meaning it can go up $5 before they get
the shares called away. Then then they watch the share price goes to
120 that week. And they're like oh my god, I missed out on this
$20 of appreciation. Like I'm never doing this again. I
I'm telling you I see this all the time. I'll
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just sell it for I'll sell my covered call for $100. I
buy the stock for 100, sell a covered call for 100. I get $3 in
premium. And I would go on my way. I don't care if the shares
get called away. Don't even care. I'm just getting my
premium at that point. So, I and it's to me it's just like
this inverse of I like because $3 on a $100 um um um share price,
that's to me that's a 3% return. return. return.
That's that's I'm already beating my my goal for that
week. So, I'm happy to get my 3% return. I don't need this
20% gain that uh people are trying to get.
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So, I'm focused very much on just the premiums. So,
I'll do the same thing with cash secured puts. I'm really
focusing just generating those premiums um rather than pure wheeling
if that makes sense. >> So, first of all, I guess we'll
go to stock selection. What are the types of stocks that you're
looking at when it comes to your stock selection? >> I want a
stock that is growing. Um and there's there's some really
good um um um I don't know I can't quote the exact
numbers, but like uh uh uh Druckenmiller and Warren Buffett had some
criterias with like growth and things like that. Um but I I just I
definitely want something that's
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growing like 20% a year. Profitable is also I I really like
profitable um stocks. Um Um Um I want good sentiment in a stock as
well. I think people don't appreciate that enough, but uh
strong sentiment can move a stock like like like Tesla. Tesla.
Tesla. It's got like a 192 PE which in you know, your
traditional investing is like insanity, but insanity, but insanity,
but there's a there's like a army of people that love
Tesla, and so it's a That's a That's a good one. Uh
even ASTS um um um is one that I kind of like laugh about I laugh
about the revenue, and sorry for the fans, but like it's still
pretty
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low, but like yes, they're growing incredibly well, but
they have this huge community that just loves that stock. So,
it's like I'm pretty confident that the it's going to
get bought up in any dip, cuz people just love that that company and
that stock. Um Um Um I think that That's a big piece. I think
also as a retail trader we like I mentioned before we aren't
going to beat these institutions and these quant traders um and what
they're doing. And they're trading these big They're
trading Mag 7s. They're trading these mega caps. And they have
these stocks like they're manipulated all to hell. Um Um Um
Where they're not trading are like small caps
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and even a lot of medium caps. They're not touching
those yet. They're They can't They can't do those
things. Um so, I I actually I really like a medium cap type stock.
Um cuz it's not generally going to go to zero, zero, zero, um
but they have this this tremendous upside that you can get. Um and I
think we've seen that lately with like with like with like some
of the semiconductors and uh you mentioned space stocks recently.
Like SpaceX IPO is coming up. Okay, so all the hype's going to
be in space stocks. stocks. stocks. All these small and medium cap
space stocks have just doubled in price in the last two or three
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months. Um if you look at those. So, I think I think I think
I I again I I want good fundamentals. Um Fundamentals kind of tell
you what to buy, but then the technicals are going to tell you when
to buy. And that's it kind of marrying those things up. up. up.
>> Good. Can we just run through like a couple of stocks on
the technicals where you can say like, "Okay, for this reason,
this is something where I would I would sell sell it in options
premium or or or and and where maybe some people go wrong?"
wrong?" wrong?" >> Yeah, I can do that. >>
Anything you want to do like how you
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do your Sunday thing kind of thing or if you you you how your
scan goes or >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >>
what you're looking for would be good. >> Yeah, so like
my Sunday kind of review, so what I'll start with I will look
at like spy. I'll I'll look through the indexes and I can
you can kind of see like on my screen I've got some of the
different indexes I look at uh to start with. Um just to understand
like the macro kind of environment. And again like I'll look at
mainly weekly. I do kind of look at the the daily and monthly. But I
can see here I'm kind of
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in this bullish trend. I mean if I zoom out on spy too like
it's hard not to be a bull when it's like it's
it's it's pretty much going up long term. Um Um Um but it
you know, we're looking pretty good here. It is all-time highs,
I'll be a little cautious, but I am in a bullish trend. So
I'll I'll generally like look through some of these
indexes to to look at uh what's going on. I really like right
now my favorite index is IGV. If you don't know what IGV is, it
is uh it's a software sector. Their top five holdings are
Microsoft, Oracle, Palantir, Oracle, Palantir, Oracle, Palantir, uh
Palo Alto, and
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I I can't remember the fifth, but it's like now or
Workday like one of those software stocks that just got the kicked
out of them. Um Um Um but what I was looking at on this this stock
in particular we went through this huge downtrend. Uh the 200 weekly
moving average to me is a really good like bottoming point and it
and it's kind of held. This is where I really start looking at
getting in and then I get some of my buy signals with these blue
stars. Um that's when I'm real I started getting into IGV
and selling cash covered puts here. Um Um Um and we're
we're kind of and I'm building a
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position because I'm pretty confident it's going to
keep going up at this point like the trend is up. So IGV So IGV So
IGV I like this one because um I I it's hard to guess with some
of the stocks like Microsoft or Crowd or Adobe, you mentioned uh
Duolingo that's just gotten crushed. All those are kind of in
this in this bucket. And some of them are still just getting crushed
and but a lot of them are starting to you're seeing
they're starting to see recovery. Um even uh let's pull up
Adobe would be one. I don't think we have totally it is
starting to get some kind of some bullish signals here. But
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you can see like if I look at this one, I can see it kept
getting bullish signals and it like dropping down. So I haven't
touched Adobe yet. Adobe yet. Adobe yet. Um Um Um not not the
biggest fan of getting into this one yet. I I like to see a little
bit more. Um if you really want to get confident in the stock, look
at the monthly. And here's one that's really interesting
with Adobe. with Adobe. with Adobe. It's hit this 200 uh
monthly moving average. This is normally like bottom bottom of a
good company. Like this is like if it goes below this, what the heck
is even happening? Cuz this company is
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still like printing money. If I look at their financials, and
I'm not I don't I haven't traded Adobe all year, by
the way. But like it's got a 14 PE. It's got a 98 market
cap. If I look at earnings, they're doing 26 billion this year.
They're still growing. If I look at their statements,
they've got got got uh they've got a ton of cash. Uh 7
billion cash. Like overall, like fundamentally, this is a good
company. No, I'm not currently in it because of the you know,
the AI AI discussion. Is Claude going to replace them? Maybe Adobe,
I don't know. Um Um Um but when I would start getting into
Adobe is if
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it gets up into this kind of like 300 range, I'm going
to start triggering monthly bullish signals and I'm going to
start trading the stock. the stock. the stock. Like Like Like
because that point it's probably going to start recovering.
Like I said, it's going to start going up, but it's going
to keep going up. Um Um Um Adobe, personally Adobe, personally
Adobe, personally I don't know. I don't know if about this
company. Just like I know they do like uh graphic design, and I have
friends and family that do this for a living, and they still love
it. I don't know. >> Uh can I can I just say is just on
that chart
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chart chart the yellow the yellow indicator is the hedge
fund, and the white indicator is the retail on the silver floor,
right? >> On the bottom one, yes. Exactly. >> So so
hedge funds you can So the institutions are still getting out, and
they've been getting out since 2000 2025. How smart are they to
to to spot this AI trend? And retail is dip buying and getting
crushed, which is just just the story. >> How many people have
you watched buying the dip all the way down? >> people? I
don't know how many people. And Duolingo as well, and Hims
& Hers as well. And it's so interesting to see that
institutions are getting out
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and and retail and and retail are getting clubbed. clubbed.
clubbed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> My my
I I've worked in marketing for 10 years. years. years. We all
We all We all religiously have used Adobe products. I've worked
with editors and designers for 10 plus years, and I don't see,
unless Adobe rapidly adapts, how how it turns this thing around
because because cloud and AI is getting so good at video at video at
video and image editing that I I don't see I don't see it
coming back despite how great the figures look. >> Right.
Right. >> I think it's a casualty. >> Right.
It's it's it's crazy, and and that's why
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though I like the IGV because it's hard to you know you
can't you can't know 200 different companies in and out
and like which one like is is Adobe ever going to make it or not or
is Salesforce? They may. They just did a $15 billion buyback. Is
CrowdStrike going to be okay with with AI? It's hard to know,
so I like the sector overall. The the trend's bullish. I like
that. Um Um Um >> Is that IGV did you say? You said IGV the
IGV? the IGV? the IGV? >> IGV is like a sector. >>
sector the sector. It's fine, yeah. >> It's like a
software and you can see this thing's just been
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It's starting to come back. And what I've noticed
is I like this kind of as a hedge because right now
everything's AI and semis. Everything's AI.
Everything's AI. Everything's AI. Anytime AI dips, this
goes up. So if you look at days that are like red for AI, this is
like green. So it's it's kind of a good hedge, but I also
think it's just it's just undervalued in terms of like
what they're bringing in. These companies are still very
Microsoft is not going anywhere. I'm sorry. Like Microsoft is
going to do well. Oracle's doing well. doing well. doing well.
Um Um Um >> But these guys have got cloud space though.
They've got the They've
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got all of the the cloud that they're selling, which is
an alternative business. And and they're in the AI as well.
They're Microsoft. They've got their own philanthropy and
stuff like that. >> Yep. Yep. Um let me talk about So my
favorite sector this year has been the data centers. If you ever
heard the Situational Awareness LP kind of manifesto by the Leopold
guy that was like, you know what I'm talking about? >>
No, tell me tell me tell me. >> Oh my god. So this guy was
he's like 24 and he runs the most successful hedge fund in the
world right now. He um He um He um >> A 24-year-old has the
most
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successful hedge fund in the world. >> 2500% return
last year. This guy. Is he I can send you the link or whatever. Look
it Look it Look it And so it's called Situational Awareness LP.
It's his fund. And so he worked at ChatGPT. ChatGPT. ChatGPT.
And he left like last year or the year before. I I don't really
know why. There's like a lot of rumors. But then he wrote this
manifesto in the summer of 2024 about bottlenecks and AGI happening.
happening. happening. And he picked companies like Bloom Energy
Energy Energy um um um and and uh SanDisk and he bought them like at
the bottom. With and he turned he turned like $200 million
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into like $5 billion last year. Off just shares he has some
options, yes. yes. yes. Um Um Um but when this guy is his filings
got released Monday last week that it moved stocks. stocks. stocks.
Um he it moved stocks. But my point I guess my point of this whole
thing is his focus is on the bottlenecks of AI and AGI. He's
not trying to buy Nvidia at this point even though Nvidia is amazing
and it's going to keep crushing it. He's like, "Where
where are we going to have a problem with compute?" And
he's found it's like power power power and it's like
and it and it's enough compute. So like the data centers
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or these companies that are providing power in the US
there's just not enough power. Um [snorts] that's where he
got his Bloom Energy. I think recently he bought TE which is called
T-One Energy. Um I'm proud to say I was in that before him.
him. him. Uh Uh Uh so that's a nice brag, but um I'll just
this is like I love this this thing was like uh uh uh you can see
last week it showed where he this is last week. Um he bought his
filing got released and you can see this is the volume. It just like
shot up cuz people saw he's doing it. This is a good stock.
Like this stock's
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going to go. This could 10x from here. Uh not financial
advice, but like when he's in a stock like people are are
really liking it and then if I look down at my silver flow whales
started getting in this thing uh May 4th uh is when they started
like going up. So we're starting to get some momentum there. Um
so TE's TE's getting moving. Um Um Um yeah. I'm a
Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. >> No, I I just I
really like your approach of like starting with the sectors and and
I So are you are you trading only the sectors when you're
selling selling the the the calls? Are you trading the stocks
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as well? >> Uh I'm trading stocks, mostly stocks.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Um
>> Um and I think I mentioned the data centers are my favorite
right now. I really like Coreweave has been a really fun one to
trade. trade. trade. This this thing is just up and down and when
these stocks are really volatile like this, like this, like this,
the premiums are just juicy. Like uh EOS is another battery company.
Uh you have to be careful. This thing dropped 40% in a day. So you
have to be really careful this, but when somebody has that type of
volatility, the premiums are amazing. Like I can get like 6%
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a week off EOS off off the premium. So like it's
fantastic. Uh Galaxy is another one within the data center world I
like. Iron, people love Iron X. Um this has been a really fun one to
trade. Uh Cypher is another fun one. But I I I'm So I'm
showing lots of stocks that may seem like I I'm knowledgeable a
lot of stocks. I'm not. I have like 20 that I'm like
I'm over and over again. If you look at my Kinfo history,
it's very much these like 10 to 20 stocks that are like just
over and over and over again. Um and so my advice to people would be
like shorten your list. Don't
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try to trade like a thousand stocks. Try to trade like a few.
You can even do like five. Like Like Like last year, last year, last
year, 70% of my gains were in five stocks. It was like these same
five that I I And because I because I because I you you start you
become extremely knowledgeable about those companies and you learn
their patterns. I think you mentioned biotech. That's a huge
advantage in that space cuz you start learning the trends. You
understand how those companies move. And you said you talked about
the trials, the one, the first, second, third. I don't know
anything about that. If I trade biotox, I'm going to I Biotex,
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I'll get crushed. I don't know, I just don't
know anything about that. Um but you when you you get your these
companies and you just start like mastering the way they trade,
it's such an advantage um to trading them. So, like I will I
like these core stocks that I'll just trade over and over again
essentially. >> Can you give me an example of like a trade now
that you might be getting in and and why you would be getting in it?
>> Yeah, so I think um and by the way, another thing I do is I
don't I don't enter a full position ever on my first
trade. I do like increments. increments. increments.
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Um so, Um so, Um so, as example, as example, as example, if
if I am entering a position, I may only do 20% of like what my full
allocation would be because the stock may still drop more um um um
uh or not, but I so I will I will scale that up as time goes on. So,
as example, what I would do on the weekly time frame, I get my first
kind of bullish signal was back April 20th on Cipher. I'm
getting some blue stars here. stars here. stars here. This is where
I will sell a cash-secured put. put. put. I'd sell my first
one. I would sell it generally at my first blue
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star, blue star, blue star, um which is actually back here.
Uh and I'll sell another one as I'm getting more blue
stars, I'll actually sell more cash-secured puts. So, as as
like momentum's going up. And so, I'm accumulating those
positions. positions. positions. As long as this is in a bullish
trend, I'm going to sell cash-secured puts on Monday or Tuesday
and have them expire on that Friday. Friday. Friday. Um Um Um
that's essentially my strategy. Um I will generally not sell a
ton of covered calls until I feel like we are getting close to
peaking or uh I feel a little bit of risk here. Cipher would be
example where it's near all-time highs. all-time
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highs. all-time highs. I'm comfortable I'm
comfortable I'm comfortable selling here selling here selling
here um because I was doing cash-secured puts down down down in the
15s, 16s. Um building position up and now it's in the 20s. I
like I'm kind of comfortable um if this gets called away and I
think people are like they're so worried about like closing
position early. Like there's there's just always just
always just always opportunities in the market. So um I'm okay
to like just let things go. And if they go early, I I'm
notoriously I'll sell them early, but it's okay um to let
stuff get called away. >> Do you Do you find I mean you have
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a All right, you see you're building into winners.
You're building into winners by the by the sound of it when
you're you're buying sell you're selling puts on the
way up. Do you ever build into Do you ever have a plan to like ease
into a loser or give it give a loser room or is it's Are you
strict with that? >> I think uh rarely. I I try to stay in the
bullish momentum. There's a few exceptions where I'll show
another RDW was one that I had drawn this line and it was like
continuously hitting this uh descending resistance. I started
building position like down here here here um um um because because
because
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it was the only space stock that was like still going down
for months. While I was watching SatL and Sidu, ASTS, Rocket Lab,
all these space stocks are shooting up and this was like this is
like a picks and shovel of the space sector. And I knew as soon as
it breaks this resistance, this thing is going to go nuts. nuts.
nuts. And so like I'm I was building position for weeks. for
weeks. for weeks. Um Um Um and I was comfortable being being red or
slightly red uh while I was doing this. And then you see this thing
just like exploded up. So like I think it's just totally fine
and being comfortable. I
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think you just have to be comfortable um if you are going to
try to average into like a a a stock in a downtrend, is this thing
going to be a winner over time? Like, this is a good company. The
other one I'll I'll just admittedly, there's two
stocks I am building a position in right now that are losers in
terms of the trend. One is Robinhood. It's just It's not
really going anywhere right now. right now. right now. Um, Um, Um,
it's been kind of flat. I think this is I think Robinhood is
going to be a winner long-term with the movement of money is
generation generational money kind of transfers hands and that
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stuff. And then I think Open is another one. another one.
another one. This I have a similar trend line to what RDW had. I
think Open is going to have an explosion one of these days. They are
The only thing with Open is it's just subject to to rates. And
uh, until rates start going down, this stock is not going to just go
you know, it's not going to explode. But, I think I think this
stock is cheap, so it's like I I'm comfortable holding
this like long-term. And so, I've been like probably for a few
months now, just like slowly buying a little bit every week of this
stock or I'm selling cash-secured puts
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and I'm getting assigned, essentially is what's
happening. Um, but I'm just comfortable. I think this stock is
going to eventually just explode and I think it's undervalued.
I really like their CEO. If you look at he just he just did an
insider buy, which is generally bullish. generally bullish.
generally bullish. Um, he's really transforming this company,
so it's worth looking into. Um, so to me, the technicals
aren't here, but I think the fundamentals are in this company.
They're expected to turn a profit for like the first time this
year. Um, and once interest rates start flipping, this
company's going to go bananas. So, this is just an example of
something I would buy as it's
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going down. down. down. >> Yeah, I mean, when I when I
think about it, I mean, your strategy is uh, obviously sell it
selling selling puts or or or calls and collecting the premium. And
the reason that you're doing that is because specifically
because it gives you more room to be to be wrong because of the
>> some. >> some. >> some. the theta. So So, but
basically, it is the same as someone who's buying low and
selling high on equities. It's It's the same It's not
the same at all, but it's You're You've got a bit
more room in being right or wrong through your strategy, but
effectively, you're doing the same prediction of
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the macroeconomic factors as I the stock selection as as an
equities trader. So So, it's like how have you How have you you
you So, you've kind of Well, you've made a million dollars
doing this, so you you've Let's not say you've
mastered it until you've made 10 million, but you're
you're on the way You're on the way to like mastering the
markets like and and predicting it. Like how how how does someone
learn to do that? It's like the million-dollar thing, how to
guess where stocks are going, what direction. How How did you do it?
>> Um well, I I will say I don't think anybody can
predict short-term. short-term. short-term. Like I see
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all the time like what do you think's going to happen
this week? What do you think's going to happen tomorrow? I I I
I can't tell you. I mean, I like I don't think anybody
knows like uh Bitcoin's down under 75K right now because
because because apparently the the new law that the SEC was looking
at acting got canceled Friday. Like I saw a little bit about that.
Like I don't know what's going to happen. So, this is
where like I think thinking like a long-term investor is the best
approach. Like that's why I I like the monthly chart, the
weekly chart. Like I just I try to think of like longer term because
it's
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hard to predict what's going to happen immediately.
immediately. immediately. Um Um Um I think again, like trading with
the trend is is huge. Trading in companies you are comfortable
owning or that you believe in, that you know a lot about, that you
use. If you're a new investor, that's the best like trade
companies you use, like that you know. Like I trade on Robinhood
sometimes. I own a Tesla. I like I I love my Tesla. So I like I know
a little bit about that. Where somebody trading Tesla that
doesn't drive one or I think you're a little disadvantage
I think to that. Um Um Um I think I think just like knowing about
the
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companies that you're trading is is definitely huge. Um
Um Um I I'm trying to think what else. Like I think I think
Okay. I will let me also talk about something. So the the market is
like designed to shake out like weak hands. If you've ever seen
the fear and greed index index index guess what the best time to
accumulate is. It's when there's freaking massive fear in
the market. The best time to sell is when there's massive
greed. massive greed. massive greed. I mean it it's like every
single time that I've watched over the years the fear greed
index hits like a five or under a 10. That's like super fear.
Everybody's panic. That's
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when you freaking buy. Like that's when you get into
positions into positions into positions and that's when like
smart money is accumulating. Um accumulating. Um accumulating. Um
And then the opposite on on on the the greedy side greedy side
greedy side we see like there's so many like articles that come
out and there's like so much manipulation that's
happening. It's like It's like It's like you have to
just ignore the noise and like stick to the thesis and stick to your
strong companies. Um the companies that you believe in. Um and I
think just a lot of times just ignore the noise. There's so
much like doomer doomer doomer articles that will come out and
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like they're they're suspiciously timed and sorry
I'm not trying to get into like conspiracy theories.
They're so suspiciously timed some like with some of these
things and like Oh my god, the other one uh uh uh the market's
in turmoil is a special that that gets on CNBC. They just
market's in turmoil. Well, guess what? Every time that is aired
the market has been up like 30% a year later. Like if you look at
the statistics every single time, they run these like crazy things
that just scare everybody out. I just I just I just I think you like
trading is very much psychology and I think it's actually more
in the stomach a lot
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of times than it is in the brain. Like are can you handle
this drawdown? Can you buy right now? It hurts to buy sometimes. It
hurts to get in a position. A lot of times those are the best times.
>> And I honestly I honestly think that's why it takes 5
to 10 years because you've got to have seen things so many
times that you just feel you just feel reassured. And I've kept
you a long time, so I just want to I just want to ask you two more
questions. There's two There's two elements to this.
There's the fundamentals and the technicals. So in terms of the
fundamentals, is there any key things that
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you're looking for that help you choose a stock or that
you could recommend other people look into to choose a stock?
>> I'll just I'm going to comment that I think
technicals are the leading indicator right now. In a bull market,
technicals are matter way more than fundamentals. Like we see some
of these stocks. Like I mentioned ASTS. From a fundamental
standpoint, I don't know if they're making like $100
million a year right now. Last year they weren't making
anything. To have a 30 plus billion dollar valuation makes no sense.
So technicals right now lead. In the bear market In a bear market
though, the fundamentals are going to lead. And that's where
it's going
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to be like super important. Um important. Um important. Um
I'm not really worried about like PE. I think I think it's
fine to to check it out. Um but a lot of times like companies like a
Palantir can have just outrageous PEs may still keep going up. Um I
want to see I want to see strong growth. growth. growth. Definitely
like 30% plus a year in growth. growth. growth. Um I like to again
see profitability because that just gives me a little more
confidence like confidence like confidence like Hims is profitable.
Hims had a huge drawdown, but you know what? It's a profit
It's not a meme stock at this point. It is profitable. Uh
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GameStop has 9 billion in cash and a 10 billion market cap.
Like there is no price to their business. They're you're
just pricing their cash at this point. That's pretty solid from
a fundamental standpoint. So, I like to kind of see the cash they
have as well. Like, what can they can they do some things with this
and um does that give them some flexibility or if they don't
have a lot of cash, are they going to dilute me like really soon? Um
so, those would be some of the things that I look at. at. at.
>> Yeah, and then in terms of the um the technicals, is there
any kind of like you've got
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your indicators which are >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> brilliant, by the way. But, is it like a
trend break or like are a dip that recovers or shooting stars or
whatever? >> I think like I'll say the 200 weekly moving
average. Anybody can pull that up on their chart. That's like
generally a good like bottoming generally. bottoming generally.
bottoming generally. Um but then I think the basics like RSI
relative strength index or the MACD. Those are just like basics that
you can see like bullish or bearish crossovers. crossovers.
crossovers. And they don't catch the bottom, but they catch a
trend. And I think those are fine. are fine. are fine. Um Um Um
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any trader can pull those up and use those. And just I think
the basics, you don't have to go uh crazy with these
indicators. Um are they if a stock is above all the moving averages,
that's generally like a bullish thing. Or it's below all
the moving averages, that's generally like a bearish trend.
Like, anybody can pull this up and it's it you really
don't have to complicate it. >> The last question
I've got for you is if you had to start again and do it all
again, again, again, how how would how would you study pattern B and
what would you do to like learn as fast as possible? >> Oh my
god. Uh
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I I I would have went I would go apply for a one of these
Wall Street firms, probably. probably. probably. And go learn. Yeah,
because like I said, my education my education my education I
probably lost like $50,000 before I started becoming like profitable
in that. that. that. >> You lost 50 >> easily. Easily,
like >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, I call it like call I I
like when I say I paid tuition, it's it's a college
education. education. education. Uh before you had like >> Now
it's nothing cuz you made 1.0 What? What were you at? 1.4? 1.4?
1.6? >> Something like that, yeah. Uh um >> So, 50k is
nothing, but you
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lost 50k at the start. That's Man, that's crazy.
crazy. crazy. >> And it hurts. But it's tuition.
it's tuition. it's tuition. >> That's a lot.
That's a lot. >> I think like I would really want to find
like really good groups of people and be in hang out with that
community and learn and learn and learn would be the best thing. And
it's hard cuz there's so many bad ones, but there are some
very good ones that actually teach you teach you teach you um um um
how to trade and how to win this market. I will shamelessly plug I
do lead a community called Theta Daddies. You can go to
thetadaddies.ai if you want
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to join. You can check that out. out. out. Um but I also just
comment there are other good ones. So, some of the others I really
like, The Long Investor is a good one. good one. good one. He's
very like he's uh he's very disciplined. He does good
analysis. Um he's a Patreon. The other one I would also call is
Danny Chang. Would be is another very good one. Great at charting.
at charting. at charting. Um Um Um I think they're a little
opposite. One is kind of like the permabull and one is a little more
bearish and a little But they're still going to teach you like
the right psychology and fundamentals and and
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that's what I try to do for people, too. I just try to
teach and help people learn how to be successful in the market
because it is so hard to try to do it by yourself and there's
so many communities that that that they talk a big game, you know,
they're loud and loud and loud and but but but it just it it
just doesn't work. So, I invest in a lot of tools, as well.
Like I I TradingView I get like the highest plan. I do unusual
whales cuz I like to know kind of like what are some of those weird
flows. I pay for some other things like I'm fine to spend money
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because I think it if it helps make money, it's
it's worth that investment. So. >> Yeah, >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts]
>> all right. We'll leave it there. Fantastic knowledge.
Absolutely loved your indicators. I'm sorry to have kept you
for so long. I feel like I've kept I've kept you too long
by the end of it all. But look, it's fantastic knowledge. Click
the link in the below to check out his XRS community and and thank
you for your transparency. >> Yeah, absolutely no problem.
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made over 300,000 trading gold. You seem to have like an intense
knowledge of trading at 21. >> Whenever that's the case,
the dealers, they have to factor in more Vega [music] premium. And
so that just boosts like the option prices a little bit more so I
could sell it for a little bit higher. I'm looking at the daily
chart. I I want to see like an X percentage above the upper
Ballinger band. Ideally, I'm buying it before the move happens.
So like DGA, is it too high? And then when I'm selling it,
I'm selling it on the way down where a move is happening. So
there's like some classifiers that I like to use
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to uh determine like an overextension. overextension.
overextension. >> Why? Why conviction on that day? >>
Welcome to Undiscovered Traders, where we have a 21-year-old who has
made over half a million in just the last six, seven months. Ben
started with about $200,000 and he's going to break down with
us how he got started, what he trades, and he'll give a glimpse
and some insights into his strategy and what he looks for and uh how
he's had this kind of half a million profit in a matter of
months. But first, Ben, welcome. Great to see you. Have you done
have you done any podcast before? Is this your first? We try and
bring new traders on.
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traders on. traders on. >> Yeah, this is the first one
I've done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. Well, thank you for
coming on. Thank you for being transparent and uh I mean to get
started, I guess we'll just go into what what do you trade? How
did you get started in traded in trading? What piqu your interest?
>> Yeah. Um well, how I got started in trading. So, I'm
from Houston. Um and there's this like local uh quant firm.
It's called Bridgeway Capital Management. It's not
it's not Bridgewwater. It's it's the Bridgeway. Um,
so it's a little smaller. It's 100% quant and I got the
opportunity to uh shadow one of the head traders there and
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um it's a really interesting experience like he taught
me about like cuz they kind of well the the trader that I worked
with um he was kind of in like the uh low liquidity markets. So not
like the hyperl liquid markets like midcaps um but like more low
liquidity. So, I got to understand a lot about um the order book,
like how block trades block trades work um and just how to how to
gauge like where you should place your orders. Um yeah, and that was
like out of um all the like internships that I've done prior.
Um that was, you know, very very interesting. And so, um, I started
off trading like, so at
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first I didn't really have, um, too much capital, right?
So, um, I started off like doing those, uh, platform challenges that
like, um, like I'm sure you've heard of like Topep, right?
right? right? >> Heard of. Um, yeah, how are they like are
they real? Are they legit? Are the scams? Like what what's the
story? Because I I don't I b things on these. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. So, I mean, I don't
think they're scams. scams. scams. There are certain companies
that are like a little bit shady, but you you want to stick to like
the the more reputable firms. Um, TopSep I think is really good. My
Funny Futures is
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pretty good as well. Um, Apex Apex like is a little um a
little iffy. Some people don't like that because like the um
they have a lot of rules that they don't really like tell you
too clearly about. At least um back when I was trading them. Um
them. Um them. Um yeah, but like I I think if you stick to those
three, like they they shouldn't be that bad. Um they just do
have rules that are pretty hard to to work around, but if you if
you're able to make it work, then yeah, it's so Yeah. So
this is exactly what I hear. It's um I I got told that the
rules that they
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put in place make it difficult for you to be profitable and
pass the challenges, but like it is possible. So So how was your
experience uh in this route? route? route? >> Um it was good.
I think it took me uh like the first the first six months uh I was
just taking it slow. I I wasn't really passing a calendar. I
wasn't really doing much. Um just like trying to fill the
waters um because futures is a little bit different. Um it's a
lot more efficient compared to like low liquidity um equity markets
um what I was used to. Um so I had to you know uh kind of like find
my way. But
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then um I think about a year and 1 month in I passed my first
account and then my uh second and third year um there was like some
really great opportunity during that time. that was I think it was
around um COVID 2021 like amazing opportunities in the market
especially um the indexes and so like these future prop firms they
offer like now they offer like Bitcoin some forex but back then it
was mainly like NQE and so that that's what I was trading I
optimized my strategy for NQAES and I think for around in two years
I made over 200,000 and then I used that money to fund it uh fund my
lab again.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So,
like hang on, just take us back. So, just to go back to these
channel these challenge models cuz I'm very curious about them.
Um so, what did you need to deposit in order to have the opportunity
to trade real money and qualify? >> Okay. Yeah. Um so, you
don't need to deposit anything. Um because like I said, I
didn't have like a lot of capital. So, you just pay like a
monthly fee. um for the account like uh you can I think top is like
$49. Uh I I bought the highest one. Um so it was like $149 for me um
per month and then you just
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trade that and if you pass it um you pay like an an extra
like 149 for an activation fee and then after that um you get paid I
guess. Yeah. So that's it's a So it's $149 a month
and then they'll give you like a a simulated a simulated
trading account and then if you you you >> Yeah. Yeah. I
didn't like >> Yeah. Yeah. So you get like So what I did
u my account was 150k. So I paid $149 for it. I had to make 9,000
without losing um I think it was 2% of the account. Wait, no. uh
9,000 without losing 4500. losing 4500. losing 4500. Um Um Um so 3%.
Yeah.
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Um and then once you pass that, you pass the EBO phase, um
you get into like a SIM funded account. So it's like you can
you can make money off of this stage, but it's still fake
money. And then afterwards, you get moved into a live account with
like actual capital. >> And then when you get into the live
account, that's uh what balance do you only start with? So you
start with whatever the profit you generated in the sim funed
account like let's say you pass like the the eval phase right
and then you so you get into like a sim funed account and then um
let's say I so I made $20,000 and
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then I got moved into a live account so my balance was
literally like $20,000. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> And then um and then is that like a 50-50 split or >>
No. Um, so the first $10,000 is is 100% you and then afterwards
it's 9010. >> So, uh, so they keep 10% after you make
$10,000. $10,000. $10,000. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you
make the 90. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >>
That's that's it's pretty good. It's pretty good
deal. And then so you you you did that made a ton of money in
futures and just thought, all right, I don't want to I
don't need to give this 10% anymore.
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So that's when you kind of started creating your own
account. >> Well, um, not necessarily. So like um for uh for
futures uh the opportunity set is a lot more sporadic. So, um,
basically like a lot of the time these markets are very efficient
and so it's like it's hard to find edge because I I like
to trade momentum, right? So, I like it when the markets are moving.
But, um, so even though the the ATR of like NQ or ES is like a
decent amount to be to be able to like cleanly capture that every
single day is pretty hard. Um and so you have to find times where
the market is inefficient, right?
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And so if if you think about a market um like especially in
hyperlquid markets like NQE, there's a lot of market makers,
right? So uh let's call them price t price makers, right? So
they set the price and they provide liquidity on each level of the
order book. basically like that market is very efficient most of the
time and the to the times where I've seen the most edge is when
everyone becomes a price taker right and what that means is just
nobody knows what the price should be they don't know where
fair value is so price is just like moving everywhere right and and
those create very clean trending move momentum moves um which
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helps like me capture it because I'm the average like
trade duration for me is around like um 5 minutes to like an hour,
right? But uh so like my trades aren't like microsconds, right?
So it's it's hard for me to capture um a lot of points
unless it's a it's a clean trending move. And yeah, so
back to my point, like uh ENQ or ES, they don't really have
these type of clean trending markets a lot of the times. it's
only like you know a few a few months within the year where like
there's like massive volatility like VIX is above a 20 25
that's when it's like very easy to trade futures and so
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I I I was like tired of that um I wanted like a broader
opportunity set and so I moved into equities right because in
equities you have like um what like over 4,000 tickers uh I'm
trading uh US markets and so there's over 4,000 tickers that
you could trade from instead of just like two tickers right instead
of NQ ES I have 4,000 things to choose from. So these stocks they
have a lot more idiosyncratic risk and so there's more
opportunity opportunity opportunity on the dayto-day. Um so so
basically what I'm trying to say is that like in futures my
equity curve was like you know one big spike and then I would you
know
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kind of lose a little bit like throughout the time. But
basically like you trying to you you have to maxim max maximalize
maximize um how much profit you can make when it's volatile and
then you try to lose as little as possible when it's not
volatile. But with equities um I just need to focus on like the best
opportunities of that day and and usually there is at least one good
opportunity I could capture every single day. So like uh equities
there's more reps right? as you could get better, more
practice, more opportunities. Um, so your equity curve looks a
little better instead of like these jumps. It's like, you know,
a little bit more
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stable. There's still periods where you have a bad time,
but like overall it's it's more stable. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, like if I can if I can
think you made half a million in the last 6 months. Um, if you could
outline kind of what um what I guess is it equities classes, what
types of is it equity classes? So, it's futures. stocks,
options, forex, >> options, >> options, >>
options, forex. forex. forex. >> You learn all these by 21.
That's that's pretty impressive. So, like if you could
just kind of outline, if there's a way of outlining, maybe we
can have a look at a few charts in a in
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a bit, but like roughly what is your kind of go-to strategy?
I know you just said with futures it was like you're looking
for kind of momentum and variations from the average true range
>> and then so what what would the strategies be across the
other the other asset classes asset classes asset classes >>
the other assets? Um well like whenever I trade options I'm
just using the underlying uh stock sharp. So let's just talk
about equities right. So, for equities, um I have a lot of different
um setups that I I like to take, but um the ones that made me the
most money is um like overextension trades. So, like I'm
looking at
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the daily chart. I I want to see like uh I use Ballinger
bands. Uh moving averages help as well. Volume, I want to see like
large extension. let's say like a an an X amount of ATRs from a
certain moving average, an X percentage above the upper Ballinger
band, an X percentage of increasing volume on the daily chart. So I
use those um classifiers in order to to describe the the quality of
the setup and then I guess I I just trade the mean reversion of that
overextension. >> Yeah, I was I was going to say it sounds
like you're trading a lot of mean reversion strategies. So is
that kind of a mean revision
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and future has mean revision and inequities >>
inequities? Yeah. Yeah. Because um there's a lot more
idiosyncratic features for a specific company. So like one specific
company could be having an amazing momentum run in in the last few
weeks, right? And then it could get to a point where it gets very
overextended and then that makes a really good setup. Um but when
like that's not too often in like futures because it's a
lot a lot a lot of things going on. Um and so it's very hard to
get these the future markets or even forex markets to um deviate
massively from their mean >> and I mean silver and gold are
tradable on futures,
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right? Yeah. So like that's the one example where
you've had the most insane mean reversion ever. >> Yes.
Yes. Like so mean reversions don't really happen that often in
like major world assets. So that's what made like the the
silver and gold trades like very very profitable. There was a lot of
edge in that and like I made a lot of money in that. in that. in
that. >> Yeah. How much is a lot of money? >> Um
let's see. So in in futures I think I made over 300,000 um
trading gold. Um, and then in equities, uh, equities, I I I imported
it in Kinfo. I think it was $118,000 in in one day.
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day. day. >> So, you made half a million by itself just
trading gold pretty much, like 300 in futures and then 118 on the on
the equity side. equity side. equity side. >> Yeah. Yeah.
Because like that that opportunity is is so rare. I think that was
like a a five sigma of that or or something crazy like that.
>> Do you know what it is? I mean, you I take it with shorts.
you took it short or you took it long or you took it long. >>
Yeah. No, I I took it short. Like I I mean like you you don't
really know um when the move is going to stop. So like it's
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hard for me to long it like cuz like like you know you could
find like certain spots to like the risk off of but it it's
it's very hard to get on the long side. Um especially when
it's so overextended. But for the short side, like once you see
the turn, um, volume coming in, a change in the tape, uh, very
extended from the moving averages, like then then you could like at
least comfortably like size in because like like it's hard to
commit too much size on on the front side, but then when when you
know you're on the back side and like a lot of other traders
that you respect are also trying
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to hit it on the back side, then you could, you know, size in
a little bit more. more. more. >> I can tell you now like I I
I was following Silva closely. I don't normally trade futures
but it was impossible not to look at it and I found the main sign
and it's easy to say in hindsight but I I realized that the day
that was the final day for silver short was was was the final day
was a move where it was like 15% up in one day and when when silver
on its final day was a 15% green day and I think it it had
previously had like three days in its
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history where it had done more than 15% in a single Okay,
that's when I thought, okay, that's an that's
that's an overextension blow off top within 24 hours. And then
that that's what I thought. This has to be the top. But uh
I' I'd be curious. I don't know if Do you have a
chart of uh gold? Is there any way you could like kind of just give
some sort of >> You can share screen if you want. There's
a little share screen. I'd love to just see very basically like
what you were thinking, what the sign was, and how you made
basically half a million dollars on gold. I I have a lot of
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friends that um I mean they didn't blow up but like they
were taking a lot of paper cuts on the front side and so that's
what I was trying to avoid because um like if you take too many you
know like stops stopouts before the the top actually happens then um
when it actually does happen you get a little gunshy and so like I
that's what I was trying to avoid. Um, and then so I I only
really hit it with actually um I I didn't even hit it with that
much size. Like I now that I'm thinking about it, um I remember
I was um pretty like disappointed in myself for not getting bigger
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and and so like uh a major part of my review was finding
spots where I could have gotten a lot bigger, a a lot more of my
size. Yeah. So, like the gold trade that I was talking about that
happened in October, actually, uh October October October 17. Yeah.
But, um I think you're referring to the the more recent silver
trade in January, right? >> Yeah, I was referring to silver,
but if you if you can bring up or talk about either, it would be it
would be amazing to to to see. >> One of the the bigger
traders that I I kind of respect. Um I I asked him about gold or or
GLD
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and he said like to um most of the time you want to focus on
the the asset that has the most volume and so that would be GC and
instead of uh the equity equivalent which would be GLD and this this
was in options. So, um I was trading GD uh and so like it
doesn't have the details for like the Asia session which is
really important but basically um during the Asia session there was
like a really strong gap up that got completely stuffed. Uh and so
um I I went back into um a lot of historical analoges on when gold
had an overextension and um it tends to uh top around the Asia
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session and then it starts to roll around linen session. The
the Asian session is is typically like when it uh or if it does top
it would have like a strong gap up that gets faded um and then it
starts to roll around the London session. that that that's
happened with like um the other historical analoges too even though
there there isn't that many. Um and so that that's
basically what I was looking for and and some some like structural
reason as to why that happens is because um the Asian session is
mostly physical. Um and then when you get into the London session
that's when it starts to become more electronic. Um I
don't
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know why that like uh why that affects price but I guess it
does. Um yeah and and so when London session starts to roll over um
I was really targeting uh Asia lows. It it doesn't show it
right here but Asia lows were like somewhere around here. So it says
market open for GLD. Um I was looking for um the place that I'm
currently at like they like to call it a up through open. Um, so
basically it's just like a a very quick like move up at at open
and then it gets stuffed right away. Um, and so that that's
basically what happened. Uh, can I draw like a trend line here? Hang
on.
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Let me see if I could. >> And how's how's the
daily looking at that point as well? Just for anyone who >>
Yeah, let me go to the daily chart. >> Yeah, there you go.
>> All right. So, >> so this is the daily at that time.
Ah, so it had already had the massive gap down and you were looking
for a Oh, which day I won on? Yeah, >> it was this it was this
day. It was this day. day. day. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. So,
it's like three massive gap up whoops in a row. >> Yes.
Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here you go. Like right here. Yeah.
>> And And you're
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thinking it's it's it's definitely
overextended. It's about to be a short and you're thinking
it's likely to roll over. Was it after the Asian session? Asian
session? Asian session? >> Uh yeah. I was I was tra I was so
I'm in Houston and I was trading this like all night. I
wasn't sleeping. Um so I I was following this like the entire
Asian session, the entire London session. So by the time New York
opened like I was I was just ready to to hit any like um up through
open or or any trend line break. Uh and so that's that's
what this trade was this first trade. Um let's see. Yeah. So
conviction on that
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day. Why? Why conviction on that day? >> Okay. Um
there's like here I put the ballinger bands on. Um so
there's like some classifiers that I like to use to uh
determine like an overextension. So um this is the guildy chart. So
it's not as good as the uh the GC chart. Um but you you can
still see like there's uh massive gap ups um increasing volume.
Uh the volume doesn't look that impressive here, but it looked
a lot better um on the GC chart at the time. Um and moving averages,
yeah, it was it was it was pretty overextended from the moving
average. Um I I like to use a nine or or the
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five. uh and it was like an x percentage above um that moving
average. And so that's why I was really interested in that one.
>> And so it it's really not that complicated. I mean,
you put an indicator on a chart, it's it's hit that
indicator, you've got a moving average, it's x% away from
it. I mean, everyone can look at the chart and say there's
three massive gap ups in a row. Is is your edge like more patience?
Is that the differentiator between you and someone else? The
patience? Well, I mean, yeah, everyone can look at the chart and see
that it's overextended. Uh, I think like something it does have
to do with
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patience because like if you take too many hits front side,
then you you can't really get too big. Um, you you might be a
little gunshy. And also, it's about knowing where to pick spots
to risk off of. Um, the reason is because like I mean, if you trade
overextensions a lot, you know that these things move like crazy.
like um this is my equity uh chart, but like when I was I was also
trading futures with it at the same time and um like like one minute
candle could like move like what like 30 points in GC, which is like
$3,000 if you had one GC contract. Uh which is really crazy. Um, so
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like e even though like you know that it probably is going to
mean revert, like if you don't pick the right spots,
you're going to be stopped out before you even capture the
move. Um, and so like it's the skill of knowing like what what
spots to get big at um where you can comfortably risk off of like
that. That's what's hard um to to do. So yeah. >>
And and just tell me um so this is like this is an equities shot,
right? This is the footies that you're trading. Yeah. So, and
you're trading it with options. Is that is that right? >>
Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So, why are you trading
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it with auctions instead of equities was the first question?
question? question? >> Um, okay. So, there's two things.
One, um, I don't have that much capital to like trade a ton of
equities. Um and so like so so my thought process going to this was
that um I want to have a lot of my buying power um not locked up and
so the best the most efficient way to do that is with um options and
the reason is because like you know I mean I might be wrong on my
first hit right so like I want to split my risk up like still have a
lot of buying power to keep on hitting this because
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like I think today is there's a high likelihood that it
could roll I didn't know like I mean like I don't think
anyone knows the future, but like um so so in order to like to to
mitigate that, I kind of split my risk up into like two or three
shots. Like okay, I I have um let's say like I'm going to
risk $30,000 to capture this trade, right? But I wanted to split
that up into three 10k risk trades. So like I can take three
stopouts before like I have to, you know, reconsider my my position.
Um and yes, that's why I was using equities or or options and
also because like um the
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magnitude of the move um would definitely introduce Vega into
into the option chain. And so that kind of um makes your your the
upside a lot um a little bit more skewed to the upside um which is
good in in the long run because you want to have um a positive
riskreward. Yeah. >> Yeah. See you in Z zero DTA is this.
>> Yes. Yes. This was this one was really good because it um
it happened on a Friday. So um the zero DTE. Oh, also one more
thing. Um the IV or implied volatility for the for um options
whenever like there's an overextession move is like really
really high. But um on on a
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zero DTE like if you get closer to the money like that at the
money or in the money strike um you're not paying too much
extrinsic um extrinsic value on that option. So it kind of makes the
the the return pro return profile a lot better as well. Yeah.
>> Is that because like the theta is running out or something
like that? So it it it >> Yes. Yes. Yes. There's >>
less. >> less. >> less. >> Yes. Yes. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm still coming to terms with the
Greeks. Do you know the Greeks? Well, Well, Well, >> I would
Yeah, I I think I know them pretty well. pretty well. pretty well.
>>
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So, the Vega, can you just kind of explain a little bit what
you were referencing on the Vega because it's just it's
something >> Vega Vega is just volatility premium. Um so like
when so like basically the the nature of the move that I'm
expecting is like you know very fast very uh strong pushes lower
right and and so that increases the realized volatility for um the
the the the specific asset that I'm trading. And so whenever
that's the case um the dealers they have to factor in um more
Vega premium. Yeah. And so that just boosts like the option prices a
little bit more. So I could sell it for a little bit higher,
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>> but it also cost you more to buy because you
they're expecting a move down. So the they charge you for a
raise. So the Vegas is Vegas is Vegas is >> Yeah. No, Vega is
already high, but ideally I'm buying it before the move
happens. So like Vega isn't too high and then when I'm
selling it, I'm selling it on the way down when the move is
happening. And so Vega is exploding at that time. that time. that
time. >> Okay. So, you get paid more premium because the Vega
guy goes higher when the H because the stock's speeding up at
the the the >> Yeah. So, like let's say like right here
like
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like Yeah. Like right here like we're still in
consolidation. We haven't broken down yet. And so Vega is still
high because of where the daily chart is, but it's not super
high. But then when I'm selling it here and there's like
major volume coming in, then like Vega is exploding down here. And
so like I I can I can like charge more for what I'm getting.
So, and then in terms of your Yeah, in terms of the executions, you
you already explained you're basically you're looking for
kind of the push to get into the short. And I mean, it's
it's kind of as simple as that. It's three big camps.
You've got the Ballinger bands.
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It's expand it's extended from the uh the the
moving average. average. average. >> That's you short and
that's it. Half a million more or less. >> Yeah. Yeah.
And this was the first trade. Um it isn't showed here, but Asia
low was around here. So I was offloading into Asia lows and then I
also used volume like to exit as well and then so I I held a
trailer. This was VWAP. Uh let me see if I could put it on actually.
actually. actually. >> Do you know do you know when you say
Asia laws what what why does why does the the laws of the Asian
market matter compared to the London market? >>
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Yeah. I I don't really know. Um it just it just does
from my my experience. Um like Asia low is right here and it just
happened to bounce really well off that level. Um and so like I took
the majority of my size off there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Crazy. Do you want to quickly go through the
silver the silver trade because that's like the million famous
dollar trade that recently. >> Um let's see. I think I I
also hit silver on that day as well. Oh yeah, but silver I
didn't have nearly as much size. crazy things while I'm in
with silver like uh I heard that like um a lot
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of the a lot of the hedge funds were massively underwater in
uh with short positions the Chicago futures regulator pushes the
margin rates up to force people people people >> do you know
about all of this >> I I have heard a little bit about that
but I'm not sure like what is speculation and and what is um
what is real real real >> what's real >> yeah si
looked a lot better than This this is like very like gappy because
it's like the equity chart, but like for the continuous silver
futures like it looked a lot better, but um it's still the same
thing. Um major gap ups. Um and then this final uh
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move higher had a it has a much steeper slope compared to
like the you know the grind up before that. Um there's like a
clear um acceleration. Yeah. And then um this on Thursday was kind
of the day where a lot of the traders that I trade with thought that
it's day one. Um basically day one of the backside. Um so
basically there's like front side where it's still going
up and then day one where it finally cracks. Um so we thought this
was day one. The reason is because uh let's see if I could show
it. Um yeah, so this so yeah it also peaked in the Asian session as
well on this day.
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So it it peaked and then a lot of people were risking off of
the Asian high at this level. Um and then that was the uh the drop.
Um and so we thought this was day one and then day two we just hit
the continuation. Yeah. continuation. Yeah. continuation. Yeah. And
uh and like I think we know that like gold has been on this crazy
run because because because from my understanding it's
there's been instability with the US dollar as a reserve and
with politics and the US and I don't know if it's directly
related to Trump but stuff with like >> the US dollar got
frozen in terms of Russians Russia's assets and one
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country thought well if you can do it to Russia you can do it
to everyone else and then we started having the bricks nations want
to trade in gold. China's buying a bunch of gold. There's
like rumors of the US dollar being dropped and as a result, people
are directly moving to gold is the the standard bearer of
currencies. That's my understanding. I don't know if that
directly relates to silver, but just to give context for anyone who
doesn't know like that is the one of the key drivers behind the
gold. >> Silver followed suit. Precious metals followed suit.
But >> where the show was, I I'll leave it to to you. to
you. to
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you. >> Yeah. Yeah. um like the there was definitely
like real um like thematic reasons as to why like silver and gold
were u pumping so hard and that's what makes the trade so much
better is because like if if everyone can understand like the story
behind like why this asset should be much higher than it is um then
there's a lot of um money in this market that isn't too um
um um well averse in trading is what I would say like um I mean my
mom was talking about this trait um so like that you know that just
>> what's up >> when when your mom's talking
about it it's probably is starting
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to be a short >> maybe yeah and so like that's u
that that's what made this trade so good like the the
structural drivers behind it um but like the short was entirely
technical like um it just all all comes down to like technical
analysis. Yeah. >> And is there any specific thing cuz I was
talking to you about this before and I I was saying when I noticed
that silver was up 15% on the day for the future and it it had only
been up like more than 15% 20% three times in it like recent history
and I was like all right if it's going to be the day it's
probably going to be
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that's the block top. What was your indicator or did you
have any if you've got like one way of telling? telling?
telling? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's the same thing.
So, I use uh Ballinger bands like an X percentage above the upper
Ballinger band, an X percentage above the uh moving average 95. Um
Um Um volume volume increase. Let me see. Yeah. So, there was
increasing volume here. Uh it looks much more impressive on on the
uh GC chart. Um yeah. Yeah. those factors. those factors. those
factors. >> It can really be that simple of an extension of
the indicator as an increase in volume and that's that
indicates the top. Can it be that
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simple? simple? simple? >> I think that I don't
know when the top is going to be right. Um, so I just have to pick
spots where the probability is the highest. Like so, um, basically
you study historical analoges to see like when it rolled, what were
the conditions, what were the criterias? Um, and so these criterias
that I I've identified happened to be when um the top was most
likely in. And so that's where I'm going to put risk in
because like I mean these trades like okay this one was $36,000 in
options in zero DTE. So if I'm if I'm putting that much
money in in a zero DTE like sometimes I'm sizing for
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zero sometimes I'm sizing for like an an X delta amount.
Uh but but either way, it's like a lot of risk and so like
there's no way I'm putting that much risk behind a trade
unless um the probabilities are in my favor and it's supported
by historical analog. People always say that uh history doesn't
repeat but it rhymes. And like I think like when everyone's
looking at the same history for the same examples of the same thing
happening, I mean one there's like fear, greed, and emotion
will never change in humans. But the other thing is like we all look
back at history of what happened the last time and then that almost
becomes a
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self-fulfilling prophecy because so many people are thinking
it's probably going to be here. That's that's where
it changes if that makes sense. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Oh
yeah. I kind of want to clarify like I I'm not using like a
historical analog to like completely say like h like um or or
completely how to execute my trades like so but the the trading part
um like when it comes down to like raw executions is like purely
technical so you you have to zoom in you're looking at the tape
the volume um volume um volume um and then like moving averages VWOP
but um when you're out on the daily chart then you're able
to
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look more um like historically as what happens when um a
stock has a similar daily chart. Yeah. >> Are you what
percentage when you're trading is is um technical and what
percentage is this is what's happening with silver this is why
it's happening these this is x y and zed that the the exchange
could do by upgrading the margin rates or this is where the hedge
funds are short like how much are you thinking of the big picture
and how much are you just trading the technicals? Are you putting
the full story together? Are you like you just technical say this so
it's this? it's this? it's this? >> Yeah. No, I
definitely putting the
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full story together. Um like like I said like the uh the
thematic reasons why gold and silver were moving like really helped
the trade and so that like um upgraded like the the quality of the
trade and and how much I wanted to risk on that trade because like
um these blowoffs they happen like very often but but like like for
for example um Beyond Meat uh just had like a similar kind of like
blowoff blowoff blowoff um but like they never reached like
mainstream right like like unless you're like super tapped into
like um overextended stocks like um you you won't really know
what the recent overextensions are, but everyone knew about gold,
everyone
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knew about silver. Uh and so that like really made the trade
so much better and so much it it made the trade worth so much more
risk. Um but when it comes down to like purely executing the trade,
it has to be entirely technical because otherwise like so so um when
you trade bigger and bigger capital, right? You can't just risk
off of oh um like the the news, right? Like it has to be something
technical where like okay this level there's a huge buyer there
and so that's what I'm risk off of. or this level on the
order book there's um like a key gamma level right like like
that's where you can like
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understand okay if it gets above here I'm wrong or um if
it gets here then I'm right if you if you can't put those
um things to a trade then you don't really have a trade uh I
guess I guess you do but that it gets very dangerous because if
you're wrong like you could blow up like really quickly uh and
so like to protect herself from that like it has to be purely
technical. purely technical. purely technical. >> So, so do
you know when you were sitting uh and you were shadowing the guy at
the hedge fund when you were in your placement was there anything
you can tell us that he showed you
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in the order book that's not just the numbers going up
and down and and what do you mean by gamma in the order order book?
So a lot of uh equities um they're especially US equities
they're they're market made uh because they have a well I
I guess like the the hyperlquid option chains there's a lot of
market makers there and so uh gamma um are you familiar with like
delta and gamma and stuff like that >> delta is the direction
and is delta is the direction of the trade and how much you get paid
on it and is gamma the speed of the direction changes or something
like that. Uh yeah, it's a second
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derivative. Yeah. Yeah. I I don't want to say too much
about about about gamma. Um but basically like there's certain
gamma levels sometimes and and you could like price trades around
that gamma level in certain types of ways and so you could use that
to your advantage. That that's that's what I'm going
to say about that. about that. about that. >> Yeah. No, I
think I've seen something about this on YouTube, but it's
it's certainly an area I wonder for for anyone to explore more
if they want to. Um yeah, the the amount that you've learn I
mean you you said that you've been doing this 5 years and uh
we'll we'll come to wrapping
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this up now. You you've g tremendous value by the way.
It's been an amazing analysis. I mean like you started trading
like four or five years ago. You're senior doing the
internship. So you must have started at 18 or something did you or
17? >> No, I mean I dude I I've been trading like um well
I've been trying to trading for like more than half my life.
I've always like, you know, been interested in in like the
financial markets um and the stock market. I thought it was like
super cool. Um but I never really like really started until um that
internship. >> Like what my question to you is like how have
you
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learned all of this stuff? Cuz like even though the Greeks
you seem to have like an intense knowledge of trading at 21. So
where did how did that come about? Where did you learn it? just
interest like I I've been like very interested in it and
I've been like pursuing it a lot. So just like talking a lot of
like reaching out to a lot of people are where you want to be. Um
like like traders that you respect like um just always being curious
and also like um with Chad CBT like ever since that like you could
um very you could shorten your learning curve like very quickly just
just using like artificial intelligence.
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intelligence. intelligence. >> It's insane,
isn't it? like uh yeah, I'm I'm trading biotech right
now and like I got profitable pretty much immediately trading
biotech by just spending hours upon hours upon hours of reading
reading books that I don't understand and reading them with
chatter BT just saying what does this mean what does that mean can
you clarify this take a picture of the page can you just explain
this in a more basic way and and books that I'd previously not
been able to understand have accelerated v learning curve by five
years five years five years >> and if if traders aren't
doing this they're gonna fall really behind because like
education is racing ahead
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because of AI. of AI. of AI. >> Yeah, I've loved
talking to you. Uh I love I love to get someone who's made so
much money on a gold trade and a silver trade and trading so many
different assets. We'll just very very quickly close on just a
quick preview of your screen. So this is you've basically done
in the last seven months zero to to 555,000 555,000 555,000
verified. Quite a smooth chart. Um and this is futures is it? No,
this is just equities. Just options. >> Just equities. And
this is trading a lot of um let's have a look. Uh are you are
you sell is that like kind of selling premiums when
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you're taking put options or is that just >> you
never sell premiums? >> No. No. You never sell pre >>
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So when you're
trading put options, what do you you you're just looking for
stocks to to drop to your targets. That's it. It's like
another way of kind of shortening with equities but with options.
options. options. >> Um. Yeah. Yeah. And then like you just
have to like uh like understand what strikes you're getting and
like the their delta values. So like if you're expecting like a
slow grinding move, maybe you want, you know, a 50 delta, but then
if you if you're expecting like um a more sharp
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fast momentum move, then you could get like a 20 or 30 delta
option. So yeah. >> Um and look, you've got a very nice
pro uh profit curve. Is this this 500,000 560,000 that's
that's what you both verified on Kimple but do you have other
profits elsewhere? profits elsewhere? profits elsewhere? >>
Yeah. Yeah. >> Do you have any look you've you've
done incredible you your learning curve is someone of the same age
as someone who's probably 80 and been doing it their whole life
and you've been doing it probably with the help of AI at the
age of 21 which is mind-blowing. Do you have any tips and advice for
someone to get where you
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are in the same amount of time? Well, I would just say like
uh just just be genuinely curious like like I think financial
markets are are very interesting. Um I think the order book is very
interesting. Um just just just be curious and like use like any
resources that you can get and don't be afraid or or don't
shy away from like new new things. U because change is change is
like um a guarantee. Um, yeah. >> But is there is there like
some options books here for it? Like some like courses you pay for?
Like um I mean like like GPT really helps with options. Um I I would
say like like books are
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are are are they're good. Um but like with GPT nowadays,
you might as well just use GPT. Um GPT. Um GPT. Um >> you just
sit and have a conversation with it. with it. with it. >> Um
yeah. No, I I I I talk to uh GPT like I I I max out like my my
credits just like talking GPT wherever I'm interested in like a
certain um new strategy or a certain setup um like options
algorithms. Yeah. algorithms. Yeah. algorithms. Yeah. >> And
it just gives you the answers like it just it just it just >>
No, I I I I kind of um sorry I I kind of have like more discourse
with
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it. Um, I'm not entirely expecting answers because like
I don't sometimes like I I think that I'm more right
compared to GPT. Uh, um, so like it it's just like like
I'm having discourse and then like I I you know forward test
that with the markets and like actual performance. >> Yeah.
But for example, the last thing when you're learning like how
to trade options and what the correct delta is for a position like
where do you learn that from? How do you learn that? >> Uh
trial and error. like um like you just got to like trial and error,
maybe back test, see what works. Um GBT won't help you on that
one. Yeah,
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>> you're a you're a level above many traders
that I've spoke to. Um but I think there's a huge amount
of people can learn from you. You you've offered tremendous
value so far. Is there any links or anything? Do you have any links
or anything that you want to share or >> just No. Yeah. Just a
transparent trader that wants to help people. I don't I
don't even know if I want to help people. I just I I'm
just I'm just a trader. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >>
Yeah, >> just a trader that. But ah but you did the podcast.
You've given some amazing advice. advice. advice. >>
Yeah. I mean I I don't really
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like um to like teach because I feel like once you teach, you
stop becoming a student. Um so I I don't really like to, you
know, uh teach because I I don't think I'm like qualified
to even help anyone yet. >> Yeah. man, you're super
qualify. You're super qualified, but maybe maybe in uh maybe in
10 or 20 years, you can pass it down and and change some
people's lives. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? >>
Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. >> What What's What's the plan?
Sorry. You're an interesting person. I've got lots of
questions for you. Last one. Like what's what's the plan
for the rest of your life? What are you going to do?
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Like buy a boat or buy a boat and sail around or what
what's the what's the goal? goal? goal? >> Um I have
I have big plans. Um like I'd want to scale this as much as
possible, but you know like like trading is a little bit hard to
scale like when you get to like you know really big like hundreds of
millions. Um because like there's like liquidity constraints
and also like um tech technological issues as well. Um but but like
we we'll see when we get there. Um but but yeah, like maybe you
know um try trying to scale my trading as much as possible. as
possible. as possible. Maybe start my own
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fund one day. Maybe. I don't want to like, you know,
speak too soon. But yeah, >> if you weren't going to say
it, I was going to say it, Ben. I was going to say I'm um I can
say it here first. I'm looking forward to seeing uh your hedge
fund on on Wall Street at some point because it's there's
it's very very rare you meet someone who seems so switched on
with such in-depth knowledge at your age who's already got
proof in the characteristics, the personality traits, the
discipline, the control, the the the lack of emotion in the right
way like that. Do you know that like you have the right emotional
level to
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to like be mature about trading the market? something that
took me like 38 years to even get onetenth or 120th of way or 150th
even. 150th even. 150th even. >> So I would say it took me a
while as well. Like I mean I I'm definitely like like pretty
emotional like still and like I was pretty emotional like back then
as well. Um so it definitely takes time. So time. So time. So
>> anything you did with your discipline to sort it out or get
better or did you just lose a lot of money and feel sick? Um, Um,
Um, I guess I think you just have to be really competitive. Um, like
like competitive
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with yourself and your performance. Like there's always
understanding like how can I get better? Um, because I mean like
like losses they definitely hurt but like if you can turn them into
like a learning experience like okay like losses this is opportunity
for me to get better better than I was yesterday. Uh if you flip it
like that then um it won't hurt too much and uh it'll
speed up your learning curve. Yeah. Yeah. Um, is your family like
super ambitious? Are your dad super ambitious? Do you have something
to prove to someone? I'm just trying to understand. understand.
understand. >> I mean, my parents my parents are are very
supportive. Like, they don't um
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they just want me to like be healthy. That's basically
all all that there is. Yeah. Yeah. I'm bas I'm just doing
it for myself because I I'm a really competitive person. Yeah.
>> And you know where that comes from or you have no idea. Um,
well, I mean, like I there's like a game called like Clash
Royale. I don't I don't know if you've heard of it.
Um, but I I play that game a lot and like I'm I'm one of
the best players in the world. Um, and so like I I think it comes
from like Clash Royale. So, yeah. >> Beautiful. All right. So,
you're one of the world's best at that or
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like one of the top in the world like ranked or something
like that? >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I'm ranked pretty
pretty well in Clash Roy. >> Okay. All right. Well, uh
we'll leave it there. I took too much of your time, much more
than I said that I was going to. So, we'll cut it there, Ben.
But you unless you got any final golden nugget, uh any final advice?
If if you've got anything you want to say, I'll leave the
phone to you. But yeah, it was a pleasure. pleasure. pleasure.
>> Yeah, it was a pleasure, too. This was a really nice
conversation. Yeah. >> Thank you so much, buddy. I'm
looking forward to
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getting it live. Yeah. >> Cool. Thank you. Have a good
day.
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You can make a lot of money. The strategy is easier.
It's based on maths. So, if you can do basic maths, you can do
it. If the market stays flat, I make profit. If the market goes up,
I make profit. If the market comes down a little bit, I make profit.
My goal was to double the account in 1 year, but I ended up doubling
it in just a few months. In a delta neutral strategy, instead of
predicting the market direction, we take both sides of the trade.
So, even if I start from $100, the price goes to 95, even though
technically the stock is down, but I'm still winning. As the
time passes, you
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see this gap grows because your near-term option is growing
at a faster rate. As this gap grows, this is our profit, but this is
where our edge comes from. Based on the back test for several last
years, I know what the win rate is going to be, what the expectancy
is going to be, and I can just execute that strategy every week.
>> So, you you are the casino. >> You can say that.
>> Welcome to Undiscovered Traders. Today, we welcome Ravish
from Greater New York, currently completing his $1 million challenge
trading two very unique strategies we've actually never had
covered before on the podcast. Joined him for last year, already
setting up $327,000 $327,000
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$327,000 in broker verified profits. And this is kind of the
crazy part. He's done it without ever looking at a chart and
executing roughly 2 hours a day. So, this is a potential strategy
for part-time traders. And today, we're going to look at his
delta neutral strategy and his time spread strategy. He's got a
full deck, full strategy all prepared to walk you through walk us
through for you guys. Full value, but first there first there first
there How are you, Ravish? >> I'm good. Very well. Thank
you for having me. having me. having me. >> You've made I
mean, we've got like 300,000 plus verified. I think it's a
bit more than that. But
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you've made $300,000 $300,000 $300,000 without without
without uh looking at charts. Can you just What do you look at if
you're not looking at charts? charts? charts? >> So, I
make my trades using option Greeks. I'm an option seller. So,
the strategies that I practice are actually systematic strategies.
They are based on option Greeks and options data. And everything is
priced into those premiums, and we can use that to make these trades
these trades these trades without having to worry about what's
going on in the chart. >> Nice. And I just want For the For
the people watching, comment below like what your experience level
is with options. I'm just curious uh if people how
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how experienced they are in it because I think options are
starting to boom now, but what would you say is the kind of the
advantages to the strategies that you're about to kind of walk
people through and teach people today? today? today? >> So,
most people when they start with options, they start by buying
options. They buy call and puts. And when you do that, you are
fighting against the time because there is something called theta
premium. premium. premium. And your option decays very rapidly. And
if the price does not move fast enough, then your options go to
zero. So, statistically, 80% of the options go to zero. And
that's why most option buyers lose
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money. lose money. lose money. So, that means people who are
on the selling side of the options, they can win most of the time
because they are the ones selling these options. >> You were
telling me a couple of things just before just before just before um
before we went on the air, and it was kind of you you said that your
strategy was too easy. Was it or was it was hard it was hard to go
wrong? Tell me a bit about that. >> So, it's it's
too easy for me now because I've been doing it for many years.
years. years. Uh but for someone who's new, it's initially
going to be definitely there
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is going to be a learning curve, but it's well worth it.
>> It's very easy to make mistakes. But for with your
strategy, you were saying there's more of a a margin for error.
Can you tell me a bit about that? >> Yeah, so most traders
what they do is they try to predict the price. They look at the
charts, they look at the patterns, and they try to predict where the
market is going today, where is it going next week. And uh based on
the chart patterns, statistically, there is no real proven edge in
it. Some people have developed their system with a lot of experience
and instinct. But if we we are clearly
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looking at technical, there is no like clear technical
pattern which we can say that you just follow this pattern
mechanically and it's going to work. work. work. But when we
come to the option selling side, there is a risk premium baked into
the options. So when you are selling options, you have an edge. And
I don't have to be precise on my timing or my entry. I can have
a lot of room for error. The market can go up, down, or in circles,
and I can still make profit in any market condition. So last year I
started a brand new account. Now in the past I've made millions
in profits, but last year I was
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like, if I were to start a new account with $100,000, can I
make 10K a month with it? Which is like a goal for a lot of people.
people. people. So So So turned out that was too easy. Right off the
bat, in the first months I started to make 15, 20,000 dollars with
it. My goal was to double the account in 1 year, but I ended up
doubling it in just a few months. So I was like, this is too easy, I
need to level it up. So then now my new benchmark is how do how fast
can I grow this to a million dollars? There's no fixed timeline
for it, but we are
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now 14 months in, and the account is already at 450,000 now.
>> So many people are getting 10% interest a year. a year. a
year. I mean, how many hedge funds are out there? And people are
putting all of their savings, 100, 200,000 of their savings, and
they're lucky if they get 10% in the year, if it's a good
year. Especially in the United States, it's it's been a
little bit the the SPY and the Qs have been returning less than than
the markets in Europe these days. >> Yeah, absolutely. For
most people, 10% a year is the S&P benchmark. And here I'm
able to compound this account in 10 to 15% a month. Now,
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when people think of compounding, people think of compounding
on an annual basis, but compounding is actually based on intervals.
It can be a monthly thing. It can be quarterly thing. The faster you
can compound the shorter intervals you have, the more profit you can
make with it. >> So, I've got two questions really for
you. I mean, first of all, I think it's it's an incredible
return on investment of a system that returns 10% a month kind of
systematically rather than discretionary day traders who are making
25% or 30% over a couple of months and then they've lost 100%
when they blow up on shorting the crazy meme stock or something like
that. I think
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I'm really looking forward to getting into your
strategy, but I mean, first of all, all, all, um um um do you need a
lot of money to do this? For the people learning, can you start
small? small? small? >> Yeah, absolutely. You can start with
as little as you want. In fact, if you're new, I would
recommend you to start with as little as possible because no matter
what strategy you try, there is going to be learning curve.
Initially, you can lose money. lose money. lose money. So, the goal
should be to lose as little as possible while you're learning
so that you don't get you don't get hurt by the market.
The The mistake
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some people do is they start with two large positions. They
have a couple of bad losses, and it sets you back and and it
demotivates you from even trying something new because you might be
close to getting a positive expectancy. You might be close to
getting that edge, but now you have had a setback, you are going to
stop trying it. trying it. trying it. >> How easy is this to
for people to learn and replicate because I think for some newer
traders these are some scary sounding words delta delta neutral time
time spread strategy. >> So >> So >> So most
people the thing is that most people are not aware that something
like
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this exists. this exists. this exists. But once you
understand the basics at some point it will become a second nature
nature nature because because because if you are brand new to
trading there is a learning curve but this is way easier than
charting and technical analysis and doing all those patterns and
indicators. >> I love that. So it's easier. It's
it's the strategy is easier it's just less conventional.
conventional. conventional. >> It's based on maths. So if
you can do basic maths you can do it. >> And just just lastly
first you have a YouTube channel right? So people want to watch this
and learn more about it. You've got a ton of videos. >>
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Yeah I teach almost all of my strategies in-depth on my
YouTube channel. So if you like any of these strategies you can go
to my channel and watch full videos on them on them on them where
you can learn them how to get started with it. >> Guys and the
the link is in the description below and just before you go through
your strategy two strategies actually two option strategies before
you go into that just quickly I know I know we've we've
only got 300,000 verified for you on Kimble because because
you've just uploaded the broker last year. last year. last
year. So what's how long you've been trading for?
What's your total profits? >>
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So I've been trading for almost 10 years now. Initially
when I started it was it was actually a stroke of luck. I went to
the Robinhood app to buy stocks. My goal was I will buy Fang apps
Fang stocks. stocks. stocks. And when I clicked on the trade button
it showed another button called trade options. options. options. So
initially I thought it would give me some options some advanced
options to submit my order. And then I clicked on it and learned
about calls and puts it was something brand new to me. And I was
like this sounds fascinating. I can control with 100 shares of a
company like Meta for just a few hundred dollars.
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dollars. dollars. So, I was like, okay, let me try it. And I
put in $500 in my first trade. Next day, it turned into $2,500.
>> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> And then another
trade next day, next day overnight trade, made another $1,500. So,
in my first week, I made like $5,000 without even knowing what I was
doing. was doing. was doing. And I started my account with just
$2,000. $2,000. $2,000. So, I was like, this is amazing. I'm
now going to do this and retire from everything else. I was working
in tech back then. back then. back then. So, I was like, this is too
easy. I should do this all the time.
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But but that beginner's luck didn't last very long.
And then I losing money as most traders do. And And And I spent
several years trying to chase that rabbit hole doing technical
analysis on charts, buying options, losing money. losing money.
losing money. It was an expensive lesson. But I think every trader
needs a journey like that to get to a point where you find something
that works for you. And then I learned about option selling. And And
And I was like, this I like this because I don't have to look
charts, I don't have to be good at technical analysis. I can
just do simple maths and bet on probabilities probabilities
probabilities and have the
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house advantage. Because when you are buying options, you are
like a gambler trying to time the market or play your luck. But when
you are selling, you are the house. You have the house advantage.
house advantage. house advantage. >> So, you you are the
casino. >> You can say that. >> You you are the casino.
It's like It's like rubbish palace, not Caesar's
palace um in Las Vegas. But I'm curious to get into it. Do you
want to open up the Do you want to open up the deck and and
let's see let's see this strategy. >> Okay. So, a
little bit about me. Uh been trading options for more than 10 years
now. I
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had a career in tech. I retired from my career a couple of
years ago when I hit a point where my options income was more than
my full-time job. So, at that point it made sense to go all in on it
because I thought that I could be I should be able to do much
better. better. better. And uh like I said, I started out with the
beginner's luck. But then there were several years of period
where it was hit and trial, losing money, learning different thing.
I had a big setback during COVID period. By that time I was like,
"Okay, I need to do something better here." better
here." better here." Because uh most
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of because buying options I'm losing most of the time.
So, I learned that there is a selling side of options also. Who are
making profit off me. off me. off me. So, I decided to learn that
side. I started selling options. Initially, when most people start
with selling options, they start with simple strategies like selling
cash-secured puts, selling covered calls. Which can work well. A lot
of people make 20 to 40% annual return with those kind of strategies
and they have been battle-tested for many years and they work well.
And they have a lot of margin of error. Um Um Um but then I was
like, "Okay, how do I do something better?" Because at
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that point my account was relatively small. I was trading
with about 20 30,000 dollars. So, even if I made 10 20 percent in a
year, it was not really worth of the time. So, I was like, "I
need to do something exponential here." Um and then I started
to contribute more to my account. I was growing my account
consistently. I started to use some more leverage. leverage.
leverage. And I was doing really well until 2022. In 2021, I had a
blockbuster year. year. year. And in 2022, I realized that was a
bull market genius. market genius. market genius. That when
everything is going up, it's easy to make money. When
everything goes down, you get
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crushed hard. crushed hard. crushed hard. And uh And uh And
uh at that point I decided that I will focus on something called a
delta neutral strategy. neutral strategy. neutral strategy. In a
delta neutral strategy, instead of predicting the market direction,
we take both sides of the trade. And if the market trades in that
range, you make profit. And the best thing about that is that delta
neutral strategies are even more profitable in a down year like
2022. >> Nice. Interesting. So is a delta neutral is is it
kind of like you want the stock to stay where it is? Or like is it
like a butterfly pattern or something like that? that? that?
>>
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Yeah, there are a lot of different patterns. Uh patterns. Uh
patterns. Uh delta neutral is one umbrella term for several
different option structures. Simplest one is triangle and iron
condor. We can dive into some examples on how they work. Uh once you
understand, it's fairly easy to do. to do. to do. >> But
can I just understand by delta neutral what you want the stock to
do? When you when you place an options trade, what you want the
stock to do? >> We want the stock to trade in a range. So, for
example, >> Okay. So, let's say we have a stock
that's trading at $100. We start here. And then we sell a put
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at $90 and we sell call at $110. So, we have 10% up and down
range. As long as we stay in this range, the market can go up, down,
or in circles. As long as it stays in the range, we get premium from
both sides and we keep that premium. We sell call to someone, we
sell put to someone. someone. someone. And we if we stay in the
middle, we win. So, even if I start from $100, the price goes to 95,
even though technically the stock is down, but I'm still
winning because it is still above my 90 strike. >> Yeah. Yeah,
makes full sense. I'm not going to ask any more questions.
I'm
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cuz I think you you I'll I'll ask you questions
later in the presentation. So, I'll let you go back and then
we'll continue. continue. continue. >> So, I've been
trading Delta neutral for several years now and at this point
I've become like a very good expert in it. And my strategies
are a very systematic. They're based on backtesting. And And
And a lot of these strategies are mechanical and even automated. So,
the way it works is let's say I find a strategy where I open a
trade at a fixed day at a fixed time with a fixed structure.
structure. structure. And based on the backtest for several last
years, I know what the win rate
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is going to be, what the expectancy is going to be, and I can
just execute that strategy every week. So, using strategies like
these, uh my goal was to make $10,000 a month on a new account with
$100,000. And now this account is up to 456k including unrealized
gain. My initial goal was to just make $10,000 a month. a month. a
month. The most fascinating part is that now this account that I
just started with 100,000 last year, it is making more than 50,000
in a month. month. month. If you see on Kinfo, my last one month
realized gain is $97,000. And this month currently month to date is
$70,000. is $70,000. is $70,000. So,
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it is just like crazy to me that you can make this kind of
return with just just starting with 100,000. Now, if you have
smaller account, you can start with 10,000 also. 10,000 also. 10,000
also. But, it will need time and experience to get to a level where
you are able to produce returns which are phenomenal. >> Yeah,
it's it's it sounds quite interesting because I it's
not re I mean, is there a lot of creative creative thinking in the
backtest and finding formulas or is it just very process process
driven and repeating repeating what the data says? >> It is
based on data. So, a lot of the data is actually based on the
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option Greeks. So, once you understand the option Greeks,
initially it might sound a little bit complex, but if you just spend
some time to understand it, understand it, understand it, it will
unlock a whole new world for you, which I I'm sure it's
going to be life-changing for most people. >> And and the
Greeks are the Greeks aren't some some color it's the No,
it's I was going to say the Greeks aren't some coliseum in
Rome Rome, but it's I think that's that's a different
country, but the Greeks aren't too the Greeks aren't too
confusing really. What what what are the Greeks for the people I
don't don't know. It's it's alpha, delta, gamma,
theta,
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and implied volatility. implied volatility. implied
volatility. >> focus on the Let's focus on the two
simplest Greeks for now, which most people can easily understand.
And 80% of the time you just rely on these two Greeks. Greeks.
Greeks. One is delta. A delta basically means a multiplier. a
multiplier. a multiplier. Right? So, if I have a If I have a stock
that's trading at $100, and I buy a call option, which is
currently at 20 delta, that means it will have a 20x multiplier. For
every $1 the stock is going to move, my option is going to go up by
$100 by $20. $20. $20. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So, that means
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if I buy this call option for Let's say I pay $200 for
it. And I buy that call option, the stock goes up by 5%. So, stock
goes up by $5, that means my option can gain five about 5 into 20 is
$100 in premium. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So, an option that I bought for $200 can make 50% return if
the stock goes up 5%. 5%. 5%. >> Yeah, makes sense. >>
And now another way that this option represent is that if you as an
option buyer, you are buying a 20 delta 20 delta call delta call
delta call the chances of you making profit in it is only 20%.
>>
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And if right >> If I'm selling an option and
I'm selling that 20 delta option to you the chances of for me
to make profit in that is about 80%. about 80%. about 80%. >>
Is that is that true when when you read it out or is it you read the
delta as 0.2 on the screen don't you? Like that's
that's normally how it shows up and that literally means 20%
chance of this working does it? The the Greeks the the machine is is
is suggesting that. suggesting that. suggesting that. >> Yes,
so that means it has 20% chance of expiring in the money. That means
it will make some profit in about 20% of
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the times. So as an option seller if you are selling 20 delta
calls or 20 delta puts you are going to make profit most of the
time. time. time. >> Interesting. And obviously if that delta
changes by which how far out away from the the money the the puts
are or the calls are that you're buying the the delta would
delta would delta would >> Yeah, it can be it can be it starts
from like at the money is $50. The further out of the money you go
the lower delta it's going to be. There are some option sellers
who even sell like five delta option. They will have 95% win rate.
But it but
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there is also another side to it. it. it. In one of case
where the market has like a parabolic run they can also lose more
than what they are making in in a single loss. So their losses are
going to be bigger but they will have a higher win rate. So you have
to optimize for the balance where I have high win rate with an even
risk reward. So I personally like trades where I can have 70 to 80%
win rate with an even risk reward. If I'm winning I'm
making $100 if I'm losing I'm losing $100. $100. $100.
That means as long as I win more than 50% of the times, I can be
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profitable. So, in actual terms, my win rate is like 70% to
80% varies month on month. Last 2 months has been close to 100% and
you can trade it in many different ways. There are a lot of you can
put together two to four options in a spread and come up with a lot
of different strategies where you can construct a very sophisticated
trade which can give you a lot of edge. >> And do you know
what do you know what I think is uh is cool from what I'm
understanding of your strategy is most people cuz people cuz people
cuz I've traded with a lot of small cap micro cap equities
traders and um
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the main thing about the complaint about is markets are
quiet, it's dead, summertime July August. But your strategy
probably loves summertime because you you want nothing to happen.
The less that happens is the better. Is it not? it not? it not?
>> Yeah, absolutely. We actually love the choppy market. Now,
most traders complain about losing money in the choppy market
especially if you're buying option in the market is choppy,
your option goes to zero. That's what option sellers love. We
like to sell options in that choppy market. Now, most of the time
market is choppy. choppy. choppy. So, we sell options in that choppy
market and make premium from both sides and your options expire
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worthless, we make money. make money. make money. >>
Yeah, so you don't you don't love the the AI boom and
revolution and Sandisk and Nvidia. You're you're loving
the the boring uh what supermarkets or consumer staples is it that
kind of more boring more boring industries like Walmart? Walmart?
Walmart? >> So, I invest into I invest into all types of
companies. I may very bullish I'm very bullish on AI and tech
and I have lot of investments in all the big tech companies, AI
companies, semiconductor companies. Uh when it comes to selling
options, I am agnostic to the stock. The fundamentals of the stock
does not matters to me. The uh uh uh the technical
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I don't do a lot of technical analysis. technical
analysis. technical analysis. I look at stocks which have like a
predictable range. predictable range. predictable range. And I trade
options in those range. Now, there are some uh some periods where
you can expect higher volatility. And in those periods, I would just
step out of the market. Yeah, it's like selling insurance. So,
let's say um you want to if you're selling insurance, you
want to sell insurance where you have low risk. If you know that
there is a flood warning warning, are you going to sell insurance in
a flood warning? I'm not going to. I'm going to step out
of the way. way. way. Even if
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it means that I do not make any trade for a month, I'm
going to be okay with that. with that. with that. Because it is
better to not trade and not lose money than going in the market and
risking taking unwanted risk and losing money. So, you have to pay
some attention to the macro cycle, what's going on in the
market, is there any war going on, is there any FOMC coming? coming?
coming? So, just step out of those events and most of the time it
works well. Another great thing Now, this is a screenshot from my
broker. The best part about the strategy is that if you see, it is
up like 300% in
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uh since I started. But there is very little drawdown. It is
pretty much going straight up. Then there are periods of flat months
where like I said, I stopped trading in some months. You see like
this flat period, like this was Iran war situation, I was flat.
flat. flat. Because why take unwanted risk? Uh Uh Uh so, my drawdown
is in single-digit percent. Typically, traders who make this kind of
returns will have very high drawdown. They will have 50-60% drawdown
at times. Here I have almost no drawdown. So, it's very low
stress strategy for me. And even this this during this period, there
were multiple drawdowns in S&P ranging from 15 to 20%. We went
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through the tariff situation. We went through the Iran war.
S&P had multiple big drawdowns. My account had almost no
drawdown. >> Yeah. Yeah, I think you can't stress that
enough. It's It's we literally we literally we literally
So, like two 10 to 20% drops in in the queues and the spies for the
tariffs and the war. Yeah, it's incredible that you've uh
you've uh you've uh >> Right. Now Now, a lot of
people will say that oh, if you are making 300% 200% return in a
year, you are beating all the hedge funds. Uh you can be a
trillionaire in few years. If you are compounding at 200%, you can
be a trillionaire in few
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years. >> True. >> True. >> True. >>
But, that's not possible because of liquidity. In a lot of
these trades, there is not enough liquidity enough liquidity enough
liquidity that I cannot go out and put a billion dollar trade in a
strategy like this. So, I can trade a few million dollars with a
strategy like this, but I do not I cannot trade billions of dollars
in a strategy like this and still generate same kind of returns
because then you become the biggest position in the market and
market makers will hunt you down. And And And so, so, so, there is
liquidity concern where which is why you cannot scale it infinitely,
but I'm happy
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to make a few million dollars. I'm not even thinking of
that level. level. level. Uh Uh Uh and the other thing is the
mindset and psychology. psychology. psychology. As my account size
uh sizes are growing, I do not feel comfortable risking large
amounts of money because capital preservation is the priority for me
now. When you're starting with let's say $10,000, your
goal is to get to $100,000. $100,000. $100,000. When you have made
millions of dollars, you want to protect those. So, instead of which
is why I was like, okay, I will start a new account with 100k
because I can afford to lose 100k. It If it goes to zero, it's
not going to affect
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me. affect me. affect me. But, using that risk capital, I
have swing I can take a shot at making it 10x. 10x. 10x. >>
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Fair. Makes sense. And And
it's it's great it's great learnings and examples for
newer traders who need a uh amplify their accounts and and turn
1,000 into a couple. >> Yeah, so anyone who wants to do
trading, what I would recommend is like allocate a certain risk
capital which you are okay if it if you lose it. That's way
That way you can protect your bigger capital. bigger capital. bigger
capital. But, and risk small amount to get to a point where you can
be consistently profitable.
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profitable. profitable. So, uh let's get into the
strategy. So, my first strategy is called delta neutral strategy.
Now, this is an umbrella term for a lot of other strategies.
strategies. strategies. Strategies like strangle and iron condor.
condor. condor. Uh the main the way this strategy works is is is uh
let's say you are an option buyer. You think the stock is going
to go up, you buy call. If you think the stock is going to go down,
you buy a put. What I think is I don't care where the stock is
going. I'm going to look at the data. data. data. Let's
say a stock is trading at $100. And my data says that in
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a given time period, let's say the time period is 1
month, month, month, I think that this stock is going to trade
between 10% up or down range. Based on the data, I can tell that uh
in a month, the trading range for this stock is about less than 10%.
Maybe it's 5 to 7%. So, I'm going to add some buffer to
it. And I'm going to sell a put which is 10% down from the
current price. And I'm going to sell a call which is 10% above
the current price. And I'm going to collect premium from both
side. So, the put buyer is going to pay me credit. The call buyer is
going to
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pay me. As long as the stock trades in this in this range,
both of these expire worthless and I get to keep that profit.
>> Can I ask what happens if it's very rare to happen,
but what happens if happens if happens if um I don't know,
it's British British Airways. Yeah, yeah, it's a safe uh
American Airlines, something like that. It's a safe type of
player that you play and one of the planes crashes or they found out
that every single broken and it's a complete crisis and and the
stock goes from 100 to three overnight. Is will that be a big loss?
So, big loss as well. >> So, there are two ways
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to do this. One is defined risk and one is undefined risk.
So, let me show you with an example. example. example. So, I use
this tool called Option Strat to model my trades. Uh so, the
simplest strategy is called strangle. So, let's say I want to
make a trade on Meta. Meta has been through with the earnings. After
earnings, there is a period of choppy period when the market tries
to discover what what's next. So, I think I think that next 1
month can be like a calm period for Meta. The stock is trading at
605. I can go sell a put at 505 strike and I will get $380 $380
credit from it. And
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I can sell a call at 650 strike. And I will get $738 credit.
So, total I'm getting like close to $1,120. $1,120. $1,120. And
now, this gives me a range where the stock can go up or down in
between this range, right? So, the price starts here or the next 1
month, the stock can go up or down like this. As long as it stays in
this range, I get to keep this profit. And getting into this trade,
you will know exactly what your chance of profit is. is. is. So,
before I open the trade, it shows that I have 75% chance of winning
this trade. trade. trade. And when I lose, I can use
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a stop loss. If the price goes out of this range, I can exit.
>> Uh okay. So, it say it can >> of the times I'm
winning and winning. And if it starts to go out of this range, at
that point I can exit. My loss is going to be maybe a few hundred
dollars. dollars. dollars. But there is another way to do this. Now,
this kind of strategy you can say it's You can see here it says
max loss infinite. infinite. infinite. If let's say there is a
big news overnight, Meta stocks goes up or down 20%. At that point,
I can lose more than this $1,100. this $1,100. this $1,100. >>
Yeah. >>
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Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, in that case, what I like
to do is instead, this is called selling naked strangle. strangle.
strangle. So, I typically don't sell naked strangle like this
because it has infinite risk. infinite risk. infinite risk. So, I
like to hedge it by buying outside wings. wings. wings. So,
let's say if I'm selling 550 put, I can buy another put,
which can be 10 points out. points out. points out. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I can buy a call, which
can also be 10 to 20 points out. Now, in this trade, my credit goes
from receiving about $1,100, it goes to $269. But now my max loss is
capped
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at 731. Now, no matter what happens, I'm not going to
lose more than $731. >> Is it not just better to have the the
stop in cuz with with options, it's can be tricky and they say
don't use stops because you can get tugged out too easy. Is it
Is that the reason why or cuz you don't you pay an extra
premium unnecessarily, no? unnecessarily, no? unnecessarily, no?
>> Yeah, so but if you are selling a strangle, it is not
recommended for most people because you can have like a big black
swan risk. What if there is like a recession or black swan risk
overnight and the market drops 10%? What if there is something
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like COVID? So, you don't want to get wiped out on on
those days. >> Yeah, cuz I I was thinking the options
don't trade after hours, so you'll be okay. But that
doesn't mean the world stops. Anything happens overnight and
the stocks going to open up 20 30% out. So, you can completely
protect yourself. This is what I love about options. You know your
exact risk, your exact reward, and the exact probability of the
occurrence. occurrence. occurrence. And you You must You must You
must go to bed sleeping like a baby. You must sleep very well at
night because everything's already worked out. >> Yeah,
absolutely because I know that my probabilities are going to
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work out. And plus I I spend some additional time back
testing to find these opportunities. Now, for example, let's
say you opened a trade like this last week. Last week when Meta was
at 708. At that point, this same option spread was trading for 332.
332. 332. And now the price is doing thing. It's going up and
down, but you see the above line line line is the trade. The bottom
line is the stock price going up and down. This line is the trade
price. There is some volatility, but you see that it's mostly
going up to the right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> And as long as the price stays in this
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range, range, range, the premium is going to decay and we
make profit. make profit. make profit. And you can do these trades
for any duration. You can do it for um one-day duration. You can do
it for zero DTD. You can do weekly. You can do monthly. In fact, I
also do some zero DTD trades where I have asymmetric risk reward. I
can even structure these trades that I want to risk $1,000, but I
want my reward to be $2,000. All you have to do is play around with
the strikes and probability and whatever you are comfortable with,
you can go with that kind of setup. >> And then this is delta
neutral because you're
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neutralizing the delta basically with the with the with the
both sides. Both sides the call and the option. option. option.
>> Yeah. And then there is another if you Now some people are
like I I want a better risk reward. So either you can have a high
win rate or you can have a high better risk reward. reward. reward.
I like a balance where like in a trade like this typically when I
start to lose there are also some adjustment strategies that I can
use where in most cases my max loss is not going to be like this.
like this. like this. So in a winning trade let's say I win
$250 in a losing
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trade maybe I lose $300 but I'm winning 70 to 80%. But
if you want to structure it in a another way, there is another
strategy called iron fly. fly. fly. Let's try this on something
like Nvidia. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >>
Another great way to sell is like Nvidia's earnings is tonight,
right? People don't know if the stock is going up. Some people
are saying it's going to go up. Some people say it's going
to do go down. go down. go down. I don't even care. I'm
going to do this strategy with with on a back test it has more than
a 100% win rate over the last 2 years. And I'm going
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to do this tonight. What I'm going to do is I'm
going to sell a call and put at 225 strike which is the current
price. And I'm going to buy 20 point outside wing as a hedge.
Right so I'm going to sell 225 sell 225, buy 205 put and 245
put for protection. This strategy is called iron fly. fly. fly. Now
Now Now it has 51% chance of profit. And here the max loss is 894.
And the credit you are receiving is $1,100. $1,100. $1,100. So, now
if you tell me, if we do a coin flip where you have 51% chance of
winning, winning, winning, and if you lose, you lose $900. If you
win,
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you win $1,100. Is that a good strategy? The You see the edge
in the maths. I don't even have to look at the chart to make
this trade. I have a mathematical edge in this trade. trade. trade.
>> Yeah, it's a it's very different to to to how the
majority of retail traders trade. This is not how retail trades.
This sounds a bit more like how hedge funds probably trade. >>
Yeah, but yeah, a lot of funds trade like this. And And in this
case, my strategy is going to be simple. I'm going to open this
trade 15 minutes before market close. And tomorrow in the morning,
uh, at whatever price the market opens, the
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first thing I'm going to do is take profits. In the
first 5 to 10 minutes, I'm going to take profit, and I'll
be out of this trade. May I may not make the full $1,100 profit.
Maybe my profit in the morning is going to be somewhere close to
$400, depending on where the price opens. So, whatever the profit
is, I'm going to take it in the first 5 minutes. If I make 50%
return in an overnight trade with just 5 minutes of work, I'm
thrilled with that. >> Yeah, and so what you need to what you
need what you need Nvidia to sit for this to for this to work?
>> So, for this to
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make profit, Nvidia needs to be in this range. So, between
214 to 236. >> Uh, it just needs to sit within that 5 5% range
tomorrow morning by the by 9:30. 9:30. 9:30. >> Yes. So, the
market makers are expecting a 5% movement. But historically, Nvidia
moves less than 5% after earnings. So, over the last year, I've
been trading this kind of strategy for every every earnings. Have I
have 100% win rate on this. >> How did you get into the
backtesting element of the research? Is this like Python or Python
or Python or AI? AI? AI? >> So, I actually I actually vibe
coded my own backtesting engine engine engine uh uh uh using
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options data. Uh let me show it to you. So, this is my
backtest for Nvidia uh over the last 1 year. I tested a lot of
different strategies. If I were to do an iron an iron an iron So, I
tested multiple strategies, iron fly and iron condor, targeting
different strike prices, different wings. And almost all the
combination won four out of four times over the last 1 year. And
they each have their average profit. They each have their uh return.
uh return. uh return. So, like for example, if I were to sell an
iron fly with 10-point width uh width wings, wings, wings, it makes
43% return on average in just an overnight trade.
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If I go with 20-point wide, it makes 28% return. And if you
traded this every time for the last 1 year, with just one contract,
total profit would be $1,100. And in this backtest, I'm just
opening a trade 15 minutes before market open, taking profit uh in
the first 10 minutes at market open. >> Uh it's it's
very kind of you to go into this detail and and reveal this kind of
uh work that that you're doing. It's very nice of you. And
it just shows you like like like with especially with artificial
intelligence these days, you don't need to be able to code. You
can You can use platforms and programs to build your
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own system. It just I mean, I don't know if you agree,
Ravish. I do the same thing as you would. It just takes a curious
mind. It just takes a little bit of curiosity and and answering some
questions to questions to questions to to start getting to this
point now. >> Yeah, absolutely. There are also you have to
basically uh once you understand the Greeks, it like I said, it is
going to open a whole new world. Because then you start to think
about things like, "Hey, I can do this." Like when I first
learned about data neutral delta neutral, I was obsessed. I was
like, "How is that even possible?" even possible?"
even possible?"
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That you can make profit without predicting a direction. My
mind was blown. >> I think >> And now with AI now with
AI earlier I So, I have a technical background. I used to code, do
analyze data manually. Now I just you I know I can just write code
this thing. I did this in few minutes without having to code my
thing. And I can tell AI, "Hey, use this API, get this data and
back test these 10 different strategies." And it tested like
these seven strategies and all of them are winning. winning.
winning. And now I just have to choose, "Okay, which one do I
want to go with?" >> I mean, it's just
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insane how much AI's enabling average people to to have
exponential growth, eh? I mean, but the thing is I don't like
you've got to be racing with this AI technology because
everyone's going to be doing it. So, you've got to be the
the one best at it. it. it. >> Yeah, I mean, with AI um a lot
of people do is go to AI and tell tell it basically, "Hey, dear
AI, make me a million dollar strategy. Make no mistake."
mistake." mistake." And that's not how it works. You
basically have to give it your core idea and then it can improvise
on it. And then it can test the data for you to let you
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know that, "Hey, it works." Like for example, there
is another strategy which is a simple call buying strategy.
strategy. strategy. Uh I also have a video on my channel about it.
That strategy has a more than 90% win rate. And on that video,
you'll see hundreds of comments from people making a lot of
money with that strategy. I use AI to test that data. What I did was
I downloaded CSV data for um for QQQ stock. And I gave it to
ChatGPT. I was like, "Analyze this data. I want to know that if
I enter this enter buy this stock when the market drops 1% in the
next 3 months, what is the average performance?"
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average performance?" average performance?" And it
gave me data that 90% of the time if you buy when the market drops
by 1% in the next 6 months, it goes up by 10%. It does not have to
stay up there, but it goes and touches 10% level in the next 6
months. And then I created a simple call buying strategy where you
buy a leap call with 1 year expiration and 50% profit target. That
is working like amazing. like amazing. like amazing. >>
That's totally crack-ass. That's totally crazy. I mean,
the thing is though like it's so obvious. It's so obvious,
but people aren't doing it. Like it's so obvious and
it's so easy, but I
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but I but I The thing is right, so I have a question for you.
Is everyone going to be millionaires in the future because of AI?
Like but can any trader become a millionaire through AI in the next
5 years, 6 years? What's your thoughts? >> I think anyone
can become a millionaire if they are disciplined to learn and
practice and manage the risk. Now, technically if you look at it
there are a lot of people in the market. Some are billionaires.
There are I recently went to Berkshire Hath Hathaway meeting in
Omaha. Like I was dumbfounded that Warren Buff- We here we are
talking about millionaires. Warren Buffett has built a
trillion-dollar trillion-dollar trillion-dollar
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empire. empire. empire. Because he just gave it enough time
and he was disciplined to keep it going. And there are a lot of
billionaires there. there. there. And all of them are running like
multi-billion dollar hedge funds, making billions of dollars. The
difference between us and them is the skill and discipline. They
have more experience, they have more skill, they have more
discipline. So, if you can practice these three things, things,
things, there is unlimited money in the market. You can make a lot
of money. I think like even when we are thinking about millionaire,
millionaire, millionaire, we are thinking small. The opportunity is
much bigger. >> I think I feel inspired. I didn't expect
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that. that. that. I feel inspired by what's possible and
it it it it's so it's so true. >> Yeah, I think
going to Maha kind of like changed my perspective. Over there, I
went to a private conference, which was invite-only. There were a
lot of hedge fund managers there. Like Bill Ackman was there, Monish
Pabrai was there, uh Guy Spier, a lot of uh big uh hedge fund
managers that you hear about like operating at 100 million or
multi-billion dollar level. They were in that room where there were
like only 100 or so people. And uh going there kind of changed my
perspective that there are levels to this game. Right now, we are
thinking
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very small. >> But uh I mean, it's true. These
guys like I was reading um I'll let you go back to the the
other processes shortly. But I was I was reading a book by uh Ray
Dalio. I don't know if you'll know. Ray Dalio is the he
he's the CEO was the CEO. He's retired now of uh
Bridgewater Capital. Capital. Capital. So, he's one of the the
top hedge funds. And he He's got some books on debt cycles. But
he he's made billions and billions and billions having one of
the top hedge funds in the world at one point. And what's true
what one of the first lines in the book that he said
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was is I'm not I'm not smart at all. I'm not
smart at all. Uh Uh Uh I've made He said I made a lot of money
by knowing what to do by uh not by not knowing the majority of
things and just being able to work within the constraints of of what
I know. know. know. And what he did is lot a lot of what you're
doing and what I do now as well is he says me memory's
terrible. I forget everything all the time. The multi-billionaire
hedge fund guy says "My memory's terrible. Can't
remember things." So, he just works with a system and it's
that process, the repetition, working with a system, and he's
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reached multi-multi-billions. Just persistence. Just
persistence. Just persistence. >> think once you Once you find
Once you find an edge, once you find a system that works for you,
then you just need to focus on it and keep it on repeat until it
starts to uh it stops working. Eventually, like no strategy is going
to have an edge forever. Some people do this mistake in backtesting
backtesting backtesting um that they do a backtest for 10 years, 20
years. 20 years. 20 years. Uh I think that is not wise because a
strategy that worked 20 years ago might not be relevant today. It
was a completely different market 20 years ago. Today, we are in a
very
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different market. different market. different market. So, So,
So, you need to have a recency bias. Yes, I would like a strategy
which is battle-tested for 10 years or more. But, what I want to
know is is it working now? Is it working in the last 1 or 2 years?
So, I will have a recency bias for it, which is why I'm
backtesting this strategy for the last 2 years because uh like 5
years ago Nvidia was a different company. different company.
different company. Right? So, you need to have a recency bias. bias.
bias. And uh you can just then use this data to do it. Now, I know
that okay, I have done this strategy
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enough of the times for on a lot of different stocks.
It's not going to work on every stock, but I know all the
stocks on which it is going to work. Now, I can do that every
quarter. >> But, yeah, but at the same time, it's so
important to monitor your data, monitor the the results, the
probabilities to make sure that something a trend isn't
changing. changing. changing. Um Um Um It but it's it's
really interesting because the market has a has evolved a lot. And
when you're talking about no point checking back 20 years. Most
people who invest just I dust color dust cost dollar average.
It's like the strategy that everyone does the
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cost dollar average. But I was thinking I was looking at some
charts in the 1930s after the Great Depression. If you dollar cost
average in the 1930s, you you would have ended up losing 90% of your
money. your money. your money. But then but then also in the in the
1930s the market would go up 20% in a month. It would have a 20%
increase in a single month. It was it was much more volatile. We
don't get those moves as much now. much now. much now. >>
So we we just saw a move over the last one month where it was close
enough to that. that. that. >> Uh the Q the Q an
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index I mean it the Qs >> went up like the Qs went up
like 15% in in a month. >> Oh there you go. So maybe maybe
things can crash maybe things can crash to 90% on the next crisis.
Who knows? But but uh now you're right. The Qs the Qs after the
um after the Iran threat. Are you talking about the Iran war threat?
It dropped in and with the whole of the AI revolution the Qs have
gone like 18%. That's AI though it owns half of the Nasdaq like
it doesn't it? It's it's weird it's half of
Nasdaq. of Nasdaq. of Nasdaq. >> When chat GPT came I bought a
leverage ETF called
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TECL called TECL called TECL at $20. at $20. at $20.
It's a 3x leverage technology ETF. At that point I was like I
do not know which companies are going to be winner. But I think this
AI revolution is going to be the biggest revolution in tech we have
seen in our lifetime. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So I was
like okay I'm going to put money in this leverage ETF 100k
invested. I'm willing to lose. That is now close to a million
dollars now. now. now. That stock that is now at $200. In just like
three three four years. >> Like that's such an
intelligent thing to do. do. do. >> So if you
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are if you if you put effort in your skill and you have
discipline then then and you also need to have risk-taking ability.
risk-taking ability. risk-taking ability. Now, people say that
putting money in S&P safe. S&P safe. S&P safe. Like I
showed you my account, my drawdown is lower than S&P. So, if you
have lower drawdown than S&P and your returns are like
exponentially higher higher higher your risk-adjusted returns are
through the roof. the roof. the roof. >> Well, I think what
you did with ChatGPT coming out and putting the 100K in the
leveraged DTF was a it's an incredibly well-timed smart move. I
mean, because it we knew when we saw ChatGPT, it was
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like nothing we'd ever seen in the world before. We
didn't know how how it would advance or how fast, but we I I
think when ChatGPT came out, we knew the world had changed forever
and it was a matter of time. of time. of time. So, So, So, it's
interesting. But, do you want to go back to your to the to the
second strategy? I keep throwing you off the the PowerPoint, but
it's it's interesting to talk to you, so. >> Yeah,
let's go to the second strategy. So, now you're going to
construct this strategy in a lot of different option structure. In
the other strategy that I really like, which I think has a
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better risk-reward risk-reward risk-reward is I call it the
theta machine. It's a time spread strategy. In a time spread
strategy, what we are going to do is now think let me give you an
analogy of like an Airbnb business. Think about this. I rent out an
apartment. I'm paying $5,000 a month rent for it. And then I go
list it on Airbnb for $500 a night. Maybe I have I sell 20 nights in
a month. So, and I have some operational cost. So, basically
I'm spending like $7,000 on this apartment all in and I'm
pulling in $10,000 and I make $3,000 profit. I do not own the
property. I do not have any significant investment
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in it. The only thing I have is a lease. Right? And I can
earn a monthly income from it. from it. from it. We can do the same
thing with options. Technically, if you wanted to do that with
Airbnb, it's not profitable in today's time. today's
time. today's time. But it is very lucrative and very
profitable with options. So, what I'm going to do is uh uh uh
So, there are a couple different types of strategies. One is
calendar spread and one is diagonal spread. So, I really love
calendar spreads. This is one of my best performing strategy. So,
let's say I think S&P right now is trading at $740. $740.
$740. I think over
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the next um um um few weeks it can go higher. Let's say
I think that in the next 3 weeks weeks weeks it can go higher. So,
I'm going to go with with with Let's do it on Qs. So,
okay, let's try try it on Qs. So, I think in the next 3 weeks
Qs can go a little higher. I don't know how much higher,
higher, higher, but I know maybe it is going to be higher than
today. So, that means my time period is going to be to be to be
I'm going to buy an option for 18 June and sell an option for
12 June. So, the way it works is we are
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going to buy a longer term option and we are going to sell a
shorter term option against it. The term structure can vary
depending on your trade outlook. outlook. outlook. So, the way it
works is when you have buy an option, you are paying daily theta on
it. Think of it like a daily rent. And when you sell an option, you
are earning that daily rent on it. Now, theta is not linear. The way
it works is that options which are expiring in near term are going
to have higher theta decay versus options which are expiring in
longer term. longer term. longer term. So, what I'm going to do
is I'm going to sell a
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short-term option which is represented here in the red line.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then
I'm going to buy a long-term option which is represented in
green line. line. line. Now the theta decay on the short-term option
is going to be fast. And the theta decay on long-term option is
going to be slower. So when we start there is like this gap between
differential between their premiums. As the time passes, you see
this gap grows. grows. grows. Because your near-term option is
growing at a faster rate. As this gap grows, this is our profit.
This differential is our profit. This is where our edge comes from.
So as this gap is you
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we go through the time, the gap is growing, the profit goes
up. That's how this strategy works. So and we can model it
again using option strategy and see how exactly it's going to
work. Now I do not know where the price is going to land, but I can
use the Greeks to guide me for it. So what I will go is I will sell
my short option at 20 delta. So 20 delta is going to be somewhere
around around around $740. $740. $740. So this is at 23 delta.
I'll go with it. So I'm going to sell a 740 call uh for
June 12 expiry. And for the back week I'm going to buy
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740 call at the same price. Now Now Now the way this it is
going to work is I'm going to earn theta premium for it. Plus I
have a direction. This is a bullish trade. trade. trade. In this
trade we want the market to go to 740 strike. Now this says that
there is 23 delta. So that means technically there is 23% chance of
that happening. And uh And uh And uh and the price here uh the
chance of profit here is 29%. So, it is still higher than 23 because
we are getting theta premium for it. Now, if the price goes up
slowly into this this this So, if the price goes up higher
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like this this this then in this trade we can make like well
over 300% profit. In this trade our max loss is just $162. So, it is
a very cheap and low-risk trade to put on. And the upside can be
$618. So, I can make like more than 300% profit in this kind of
trade. But, when I get into this trade I have to wait till here,
till expiration to hit that bull's eye. But, I'm not going
to be waiting till there because there are chances that market can
go up and then come back down. down. down. Right? So, if it goes
into 20, 30, 40, 50% profit in a week I'm going to book
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my profit. And then I'm going to wait for another
pullback and make this trade. So, let's say if someone made a
trade like this just yesterday. just yesterday. just yesterday.
Yesterday this option spread was trading at $100. at $100. at $100.
Today it's $164. So, it's up 64% in just 1 day. 1 day. 1
day. So, with a trade like this we can have asymmetrical risk
reward. And if you're taking profit early you can have a higher
win rate. And uh And uh And uh sometimes if you want to wait for the
maximum peak profit, you can also do that. I have had trades where
I've made 200%, 300% profit. Or if you want uh
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something with higher probability, you can reduce your strike
price to 30 delta. So, 730 is going to be about 30 delta. And now we
will have higher probability. Risk reward is slightly worse now.
Now, this is this is this is um um um $194 max loss. Max profit
$600. Still, it can be a multi-bagger trade. multi-bagger trade.
multi-bagger trade. And all I need is the stock to go up a little
bit. I can book profit at any point in this zone. >> So, just
just make sure I understand this cuz this is a something I've
never seen before. See, you're buying the 730 call call call
and then you're also selling the 730 call, but
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the the call that you're selling selling selling
you're you're selling earlier on because you want you want
you want the better theta, right? And the one that you're
buying is further out. So, you make money on the theta as as one
thing. thing. thing. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Um and then you also want the the stock to go to go to go
because when the stock was towards the level when the stock goes
towards 730, does it it doesn't really make Does it matter
because one calls canceling out the other one? So, you're only
making the theta, no? >> So, in this trade, you can make this
trade a bullish trade, a
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bearish trade, or even a neutral trade. It all depends on
where your strike price is. Strike price is basically your price
target. If the price goes to your price target, that is where you
make maximum profit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So, you have bullish direction to this trade. trade. trade.
Now, if I bring these strikes down So, if I bring these strikes down
to $710 $710 $710 Now, this becomes a delta neutral trade. Now, in
this case, I make profit if the stock trades in this range. So, now
I need the stock to stay flat. >> But But if you buy a call
and sell a call at the same price, does
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that not cancel cancel it all out? Because you just done
answered options. >> So, like I explained in the previous
illustration there is a difference between deltas and thetas for the
option at the same strike. For example, let's go back to the
730 example. So, on the option that we are selling, uh we are
getting 32 delta. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So, but we are short selling this option. So, we are short
32 delta. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And
uh we are theta positive here. So, we are earning $31 theta from
this every day. day. day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >>
Yeah. >> And the option that we are
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buying has higher delta. higher delta. higher delta. >>
Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Slightly higher. So, this
is 35 delta. And here we are paying $29 theta. So, we can go here
and this tool will show you aggregate graphics, um aggregate
metrics. My total delta after the full spread is 2.6. My theta is
$2. So, that means on a trade which is costing me just a little over
$100, I'm going to earn $2 a day, which is basically like close
to 2% a day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >>
And as we go closer to the expiration, this is going to increase.
Now, 2% a day it does not sounds a lot, but
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if the price works your way and you are earning theta, the
theta is going to accelerate. accelerate. accelerate. So, very high
probability that I can make somewhere between 30 to 50% profit in
the next 1 to 2 weeks. >> Yeah, that makes that that makes
sense. And then And then And then you're making money on the
delta as well because they've got different deltas based on the
time that you put them on. So, you're making money on the
delta. That that that calculation between the two deltas and the two
thetas, you're making the difference as it goes. And the more
time you leave it, the better because you're making money on
the theta ultimately. >>
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Yeah. Yeah, I actually want the market to move slower, right?
Typically, an option buyer wants the market to move fast for them to
make profit. Here, I like it to move slowly. I want it want a slow
grind grind. And then I can make profit. And if I make faster, if
the market moves faster, let's say over the next Nvidia has
blockbuster earnings tomorrow, the stock goes up to like 7:30 over
the next week. I'm still happy with 30 to 40% profit in a week.
Then I can close this trade and open my next trade. So and if
I'm neutral on the market, I can just do it at the current
price. And then this
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becomes a delta neutral trade. And another thing, if I'm
bearish on the market, market, market, I can do a put calendar. Here
is I can go and sell 680 put, which is at 21 delta. delta. delta.
Now if the if now let's say Nvidia has bad earnings tomorrow,
market drops, then this trade can this trade has potential to make
446% profit. So yeah, it has a low probability. The probability is
35%. But the upside is 500%. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >>
Yeah. So So when you on the earlier example, when you're
talking about the Qs and you were put them in the 740s, so
you're you're win a lot of money if it goes to
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the end of the theater or you if you hold the trade for a
longer time, you make more money. If it reaches the 740s, you make
more money. What happens if it just doesn't move or it goes the
wrong direction? Is that is that a that's a loss? >> So
if it does not moves, uh so in this case, case, case, it all depends
on what strike price we choose. If I want to be slightly neutral to
bullish, let's say I want a trade which is slightly bullish,
but gives me some uh downside protection. I love downside
protection. I like to make profit if the stock moves uh up, but if
the stock comes down,
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I would love some downside protection. Then I can make a
trade like this. Uh where Uh where Uh where >> [clears throat]
>> let's say I can make a trade at 715 strike. strike.
strike. It is slightly bullish. If market goes up, I make profit. If
the market comes down, down, down, then my break even is 698.
Currently, it's trading at 711. So, I have about 12 to 13
points downside protection downside protection downside protection
against a drop. >> And how did you get that? Is that because
you get the theta? Does the theta give you the downside protection?
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That's how
you get the >> Right. >> Right.
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>> Right. Yes, now my theta is minimal. Now my delta is
minimal, less than one. But my theta is higher. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I can even do this trade
with a shorter duration. Let's say I think I want to make a
trade with just one week duration. duration. duration. I can make a
trade like this where where where if the market stays flat, I make
profit. If the market goes up, I make profit. If the market comes
down a little bit, I make profit as long as it trades in this 701 to
730 range. >> Just to make sure make sure I got this. So, a
lot of people might
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say, "I think that the QQQ is going to go to 740 and
it's currently at 720." They'll put the call option
on for 740, and then they'll just panic if it doesn't move
towards 740 because every day they're losing money. But the way
you do it means that you get the actual theta. That means even if
the stock doesn't do anything, I'm making theta right now.
So, you get paid to wait a bit more. >> Exactly. We are
getting paid while the price moves our way. >> I don't
know why more people don't do this. this. this. >>
Because people don't know about it. >> [laughter]
>> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> It's
fantastic. I absolutely
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love this. It's it's because it's it's
not rocket science. I mean, it's just putting one more call
more call more call on onto the option that you are going to put
anyway. put anyway. put anyway. >> Yeah, I would I mean, this
is why my account has such low drawdown because I use strategies
like this. like this. like this. And if there is another there are
levels to it. There is next level is I can buy both call and put
calendar and make profit both ways. I don't even have to
predict the market direction. direction. direction. >> Yeah,
you can literally be paid to be wrong. You can you can be paid to be
wrong
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or you can be paid when the stock does nothing. does nothing.
does nothing. You can just sit there and make money. >> Yeah,
exactly. And in a trade like this, if you are right, you can make a
lot of money. money. money. If you're wrong, your loss is
actually pretty small. You can do these kind of trades with as
little as $100 to $200. So, even if you have a small account, you
should never buy call. This is the way to go. >> That's
crazy. But and obviously the only way you lose is if you get it
completely wrong, which when you're buying the larger cops
larger cap stocks on a on a bullish market,
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it's if you buy in decent companies in a bullish market,
it's not often that you're going to get a the stock will
completely the wrong direction. And if it does, you just buy more.
>> And you can the great thing is you can do this kind of
trade for any trade duration. trade duration. trade duration. If you
think you need 3 months, you can do a 3 months long trade. And And
And and you just use the delta. Just sell between just buy between
20 to 30 delta. There is very high probability that eventually the
stock price is going to go and touch it. >> And and say if you
buy it a month out,
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what's the what's the spread between the options
there? If if you're buying a month out, you buy like uh is it
like or you can tell me you'd buy say it's Google whatever
400 calls and you want it to reach 400 in a month. How would you
position those? The buy and the sell call. >> Right. So, if I
think I want to buy Google, I can make a trade like this, which is 4
weeks out. And um And um And um I will sell a 400 call for June 18
and buy a 400 call for the back month. And in this case, my max loss
is just 175. 175. 175. Max profit can be
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575. Huge asymmetric risk reward. And even if it stays flat,
I can still make profit. So, let's zoom in a little bit. So,
let's say I make this trade and the stock does not moves at
all, it stays flat for the whole month, you can still make close to
50% profit here. profit here. profit here. >> So, just to get
this right, you buy you buy the call saying June and then you
you'd sell you'd sell the call or it's the other way
around. You'd sell the call in June and you'd buy the
other one in July. Is it like that? Or is it the other way around?
>> Yeah. Well, yeah. So, we sell
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a short term. So, let me go back to this graphic again.
again. again. >> Uh you sell a short term >> Yeah, I
link short term and we are buying long term. And we make profit from
the difference. >> And is there ever a point where you just
let the short term expire and then just hold hold the long term to
keep going or you always close together? together? together?
>> So, usually I don't. Usually, I close it for profit
before expiration uh because in that case um uh uh uh because
usually when that happens um um um this is uh okay, I close it for
uh because if the short leg expires, then I'm
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just holding a long call. Then I'm paying theta for it.
I don't want to pay theta. So, which is why I will close it
before expiration, but sometimes I see my trades trades trades which
I was happy to take close for 50% or something profit after my short
call expired, long call went parabolic. And it went up 300% 400%.
So, there are scenarios like that. But, that's not the game
I'm playing. I want consistent returns. I'm compounding
week over week. My account is compounding at 8 to 15% a month.
month. month. And with that kind of return, with such low drawdown,
low drawdown, low drawdown, in 2-3 years it's going to it can
go to
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eight figures even. >> The This is genius for me.
It's totally genius. Um And the best things that I generally
like genius strategies are that they're so simple and
they're so simple and beautiful to execute, but it's
nothing nothing too complicated, is it? It's not too
complicated. I mean, I've understood everything you've
said in in a 50-minute session. session. session. >> Yeah,
exactly. Because um because the way when people try to learn it is
it is it is they start they get intimidated by a lot of things
because nobody really breaks down in such simple terms. Uh they talk
about Greeks and all those things and uh charting and technical
analysis. It was intimidating to
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me also initially. initially. initially. But what I figured
was that instead of learning everything like a reading a full
textbook, full textbook, full textbook, focus on a couple of
strategies and master them. master them. master them. And after some
experiences, everything starts to make sense to you. Then it becomes
second nature. Options is all about the probability. The reason why
a lot of traders lose, even if you give them a profitable strategy,
strategy, strategy, they don't understand the expected value.
They don't understand what the risk is, what the reward is,
what's the win rate, how does that affect their overall profit
and loss. With options, you get it up front, right? You get up
front.
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That this much profit it can make. This is your maximum side
potential. This is your chance of profit. It is all baked in the
data. And with tools like this, it makes it very easy to understand.
So, I did not learn options by reading a textbook or by watching a
lot of videos. Yeah, I did watch a lot of videos on YouTube on Theta
profits uh on Tastytrade channel, and I learned a lot of strategies
from there. But, you basically learn by doing. It's math. math.
math. You do not learn math by theory. You learn it by doing. So,
you have to put it in practice. I would spend I used to spend a lot
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of time. I still do. Going into this tool and modeling
different trade ideas and see how they work. work. work. And
there's another great thing in this tool. Once I make this
trade, I can just save this trade. And this is like a paper trade
now. Now, it is going to track it in my account on how this trade
works. And you can even go and see its chart and see how it's
working. So, let's say you bought this call calendar on Google
1 week ago when it was trading at a higher price. Even though the
stock price has come down, you can see that the options has not lost
any value. Stock price came
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down, but you you're still flat on your trade. This is
why it works so well. >> To just to close it out, I guess do
you have any have any have any final thoughts about how someone else
can get started and and they not they don't have to You've
heard of Black-Scholes formula and the the big the big black book of
Black-Scholes formula and the book They don't need to read
that. read that. read that. >> I think that is what makes it
intimidating for people because they hear about all these
complicated formulas. But, with tools like this, you don't have
to go deep into it. You can start with just focusing on delta and
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theta and start to make some paper trades. Basically,
understand how it works. And you will learn by experience. >>
That's been incredible. I think this has been one of the the
episode where I've learned the most and and had my eyes open.
So, really really appreciate you delivering all of this this
knowledge and information. It's so valuable. Thank you for
giving back, and thank you for being transparent. Do you have any
final thoughts or anything else you want to close in on? >> Um
yeah, I would say uh one of the biggest problems that I see with a
lot of traders I work with, they learn a new strategy, and they are
excited they are
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thrilled with it with it they are very enthusiastic about it,
and then they start to make big trader big trades right off the bat,
and they lose money, and they think that the strategy does not work.
They hop onto another strategy, do the same thing, which is why a
lot of traders can spend years chasing different strategies and
losing money. losing money. losing money. But what you need to do is
trade small, and give it time. I don't If I learn a strategy, I
don't mind trading it for 3 months or even 6 months with just
one contract, risking couple hundred dollars on every trade. trade.
trade. Because if it works for me over that
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period, I will make 20 to 50 trades with that strategy. If
I'm winning most of them, them, them, that gives me a good
understanding of yes, this is profitable, and then I have rest of my
life to use that strategy, and I can compound compound it. compound
it. compound it. You don't think of it in a way that I learned
this, I need to make all the money today. money today. money today.
Start by practicing it. Take it slow. You We people People spend 4
years going to college, spend six figures in tuition, tuition,
tuition, and then they do internship, then they work at a job for
few years. It takes them 10 years to
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build a career where they are at a point where they feel that
they've achieved some level of success, but with trading,
people think that they should do it in a week. It's It does not
work that way. So, you have to develop your skill and be patient.
It's not going to take 10 years. Most people, if you have the
right direction, you can learn it in 3 to 6 months. And I think if
you put in that level of effort and discipline, it can be
life-changing. >> Where can people find you if they've
got any questions? any questions? any questions? >> Yeah, you
can reach out to me on I have a YouTube channel called
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Options with Ravish, and I also have an Instagram. It's
called Hey Ravish. You can search or find the link in the
description. >> Thank you so much for your time, Ravish. It
was absolutely amazing, and you've delivered tremendous
knowledge that I'm sure is going to change a lot of
people's lives. people's lives. people's lives.
>> Thank you, Stephen. It was a pleasure speaking with you.
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You've lost all of your parents' money. That was
basically all their money. So, this is you, 1.6 million, 33% win
rate. How can you lose so much and make 1.6 million? It doesn't
matter how many times you lose. The only thing that matters is how
much you make when you win. win. win. >> So, you you took
Rocket Lab from 370 to over 90. over 90. over 90. >> [music]
>> [music] >> [music] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Some people could say you got lucky. What people underestimate is
what it takes to [music] [music] [music] see it go up 30%, 50%,
100%, 500% and not sell. Many people [music] don't don't
know this and don't
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understand this. Like a high rate from the Federal Reserve
automatically means lower [music] price for assets across the board.
Diversification is the [music] worst enemy of a good investor.
I'm greedy, but when I see something [music] that seems cheap
and that I understand well enough, I just go all in. I think you
should buy Rocket Lab. This is This industry is going nowhere. My
next play for now is This is how you make 1.6 million dollars.
Welcome to Undiscovered Traders. Today we have Stan 3000 from
Bordeaux, France. He's turned 14,000 into 1.6 million in
verified profits on Kenfo by being obsessed with one stock at a
time. Uh Stan's 1.6 million is insanely made with
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a 33% win rate. And apparently he never looks at charts. Uh
today we're going to break down his one stock approach and how
he's made 1.6 million from it. But uh first, Stan, welcome and
how are you? Thank you. Thank you very much Steven for for for for
this invite. I'm doing just fine. Happy to be here. Happy to
Happy to share the the the knowledge and hopefully bring some value
to to your listeners. Very beautiful and then I mean just to maybe
address the elephant in the room. The the hat and the sunglasses.
Yeah, so basically I basically I basically I don't want to have
any fame in the real world. I used to
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have a YouTube channel. I didn't like being on camera
and everything. So I just I want to bring value to people but I just
prefer to stay in the shadow. And And And yeah, so Cool outfit.
It's cool because you're like you're like super
transparent with your with your trades. So you're transparent
[clears throat] where it matters, right? Do you want people there to
follow you if they find this episode valuable or Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, yeah. It would be great actually. Thank you very much.
My my X profile is Stan 100X. So Stan 100X. And I give tidbits. I
give kind of tips to to succeed in in in in this journey and
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I also show my latest investments. I speak very freely. I
don't want to be a public figure but on on here I speak I speak
very freely. Okay, so for for starters if anyone wants to follow him
in in this incredible story and all incredible calls. calls. calls.
Just track track we'll put that that link in the description.
And also any any other links for you Stan we'll we'll drop
in that description. So people can find. And I appreciate like
that's a crazy amount of money 1.6 million. You've done it
in a very very unique way. You've got a lot of value in the in
the terms of you've got a background in approaching economics.
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economics. economics. You don't look at the charts. You
focus all in on one stock. Like that that's some that's
some stuff that I mean I think that breaks some rules, right? But
the best the best people make money by breaking the rules, but I
think um I think it doesn't actually. I think when you listen
to the right people um um um you you'll find that what I do is
not exceptional. It's not something that is unusual for um
people who genuinely love investing. investing. investing. Uh
because there are very big difference in my mind between investing
and trading {slash} gambling. Uh Uh Uh I'm sorry I might offend
some people with this statement, but
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uh in my view um um um real investing is about long-term.
Real wealth creation is about long-term. And when you listen to the
right people, which is basically all the famous goats like Warren
Buffett, Peter Lynch, Stanley Druckenmiller, Stanley Druckenmiller,
Stanley Druckenmiller, they all say the same thing, you know, they
all talk about how diversification is the worst enemy of a good
investor. good investor. good investor. How um How um How um
understanding what you own is basically the the key to success. Uh
how concentration is you ultimately how you create real create real
create real uh value and real wealth once again. And basically this
is what I did. I listened to these guys
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back in the day, back in when I was studying economics. Uh I
researched a ton. And eventually I came I came yeah I came
successful in this line of business. business. business. I I've
heard another guy who's recently made multi-millions and he had
a similar approach, but it was more with day trading and and
it's it's it's quite obvious when you think about it
like look for the best people in the world to study from and just
and just and learn everything that they know about it. And and
obviously like when it's kind of kind of gets a bit more niche,
which is a lot of Ken Fo's audience, which is micro cap,
it's look
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look at the top guys on the leaderboard and see what
they're doing. It's it's the same thing, but I mean
the the main question everyone asks generally is um how did you
start? How much did you start with? Because when someone sees 1.6
million they're like how could you start with five and you make
more? So like So like So like >> [laughter] >>
[laughter] >> [laughter] >> It's not you're
not so good are you? That's it. We're telling you you made
one you're not that good at trading. Yeah. It's you put in
the SPY. So tell us how you started and what you started with and
and how and how that worked. So I've
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I've always thought about businesses. I've always
liked businesses. I've always studied businesses on my own.
I've always wanted to start businesses and I never did because
I'm somehow very lazy person. So I just do the things that I
like and that don't take too much energy, physical energy. So
basically I've thought about investing for maybe 10 years since
I was 18 years old up to 30 to the COVID era. And everything tanked
at the during the pandemic. So basically I was let's go. We I
need to start somewhere. So I worked all my life to save 30,000
euros. So I had 30,000 euros. I started investing this money and
after a while because everything was
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pumping to through the roof. I decided to put to involve my
parents and I asked for my mother's savings. I don't
recommend doing this but I asked for my mother's savings and I
asked for my father's savings. savings. savings. And the grand
total was was was 50K plus my 30K. So I had like 8K to start with.
start with. start with. And basically yeah, I just pressed open
account on a European broker and I started from there 80,000 euros
2020. But so you'd been thinking about investing for a while
you'd studied economics in in school already by this point. So
you kind of you kind of knew what you were doing. You you would have
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understood, I guess, that um that um that um tons of
money's being pumped into from the government. If the
government's getting a shitload of debt, government's
getting a shitload of debt pumping tons of money into the economy,
tons of people are going to have extra money. There's a bunch
of extra cash flow. All of that cash flow has got to go somewhere.
It's probably going to go to the market. You're going to
get assets rising. It's a great time to invest. Like,
that's the the logical of the economic flow that I picked up.
The the the most basic It's even more more basic basic than
this. It's that um I saw like um a fire
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sale, you know? I was like, "Okay, Google is at uh I
think it was 170 post crash post COVID crash. It was at 120 or
something like this." And I was like, "This pandemic will
eventually go away. So, now is the good moment to start investing.
Now, I have um a cushion, you know? If ever I'm not very good
at this, the prices are compressed. So, I will make money doing
this. This is why I felt so safe. I was I was convinced that I had
the the margin of safety necessary to start with. And with. And
with. And uh uh uh I think fear is very big thing in the market, and
I was
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scared for a long time. Like, for 10 years, I was scared.
This is why I didn't start. And this COVID era this COVID crash
gave me somehow the somehow the somehow the the confidence the
confidence the confidence to start at depressed prices. I mean, it
it makes full sense. We we've had so many things like this. We
had it Was it Was it January last year? I can't remember the
exact day, but we had on March we had we had the tariff panic. And
we've just had uh this crazy Iran war. war. war. And uh I mean,
for me, I would see that especially with like Google is not going to
anywhere in the next
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10 years with the AI boom, especially with Gemini and its
connection and how it's it's it's it's it's
use up uses ramping up. And it and it's just like um like
Nvidia and Google like the more bombs that go off in Iran as sad as
it is to say it, but the more bombs that go off and the worse the
war gets and the more the stock the more the economy drops or the
the markets drop, the better the buy is. The more fear there is, the
better the buy is and and people don't still don't get
that the more scary it is to buy, probably the better the buy is.
Yeah. That's a very
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simple rule, but it's it's so true. It As you said,
like the tariff uh uh uh last March, April was a perfect example.
Last November, December we also had like uh some maybe 10%, 15% drop
on the the indexes. indexes. indexes. And even And even And even 2
months ago in March, the everything was dropping, everyone was was
afraid, and look at the market now. All-time high. Everything that
you you you would have bought at this period, just like not such a
long time ago, like 8 weeks ago, it's nothing, would have made
you maybe 50%, 60%, 70%, 100% on Of course, it's more on the
tech side, on the growth side, but even a
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Google, Nvidia, or Amazon are up 30%, so buying when fear is
much alive in the market is more often than not a very good idea.
But I mean, let's let's go quickly go back to your story
with So, I want to get into your trading strategy if you're
investing strategy. I want to get into it. I want to uncover each
part of it in in a little bit of detail for value for for the guys
watching, so they can replicate this this crazy success of like
what, 60 and 80 to 1.6 million? How can How can the guys out there
do this? Um Um Um so let's just go back to your to you borrowed
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a bunch of money from your parents. parents. parents.
>> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >>
You're You're convinced that you're you're going
to make a bunch of money, so walk me through it. So, I I started
with my money and after, as I told you, maybe 4 months, 6 months, I
they showed they saw that I was performing well because it was the
post uh COVID boom, so everything was like just going straight
straight up. straight up. straight up. So, they they said,
"Yeah, why not? Take the money and work your magic." So, I
think it was maybe in June or July 2021 where I reached peak at
160,000 euros. So, I just I doubled
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the money. And I felt like I was the king. By November,
December 2021, we had uh the first inflation and it was supposed to
be transitory. Uh that was absolutely not. And uh maybe 3 months
after that, we had the war, the Ukrainian war. So, that had a
massive impact on on oil prices, on energy prices across the board.
board. board. And um And um And um a few things happened, you know,
with my positions. I had like may- I think most of people don't
know, but Rocket Lab had warrants. Uh at some point, Rocket Lab is
uh the company I invested in. invested in. invested in. And um And
um And um warrants are
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very um um um like kind of a call option uh but uh expires at
much uh longer time frame. And um they redeemed the warrants. Uh to
explain to people rapidly, so you have a strike price, which is $11,
which it's the price uh to which you can buy the stock when you
have a warrant. So, I have one warrant. Uh if the stock is at $20, I
exercise my warrant, I buy the stock at $11, and I can sell it right
away at $20. But, there's a very uh small thing that I
didn't know at the time is that when you buy a SPAC warrant,
there's rules that go with it. And one of
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the rules was that if the stock traded higher than a certain
price for a certain period of time, the company could redeem the
warrant. And And And the the This is what they did. So, basically,
So, basically, So, basically, the stock traded, let's say, at
$20 [snorts] $20 [snorts] $20 [snorts] for 3 weeks. So, the company
had the right to redeem the warrants, whatever the price was. And
the price when decided when they decided to do this was maybe $8.
maybe $8. maybe $8. So, it was under the strike price of $11, which
means, basically, these were absolutely worthless. absolutely
worthless. absolutely worthless. And this was my biggest blow, I
think, in the stock market.
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Maybe I can't remember how much I lost, but I think I
lost 50k lost 50k lost 50k like in a blink of an eye. I think I lost
It's 70% of the position was gone in a heartbeat. And this was
my biggest blow, and this is the my most vivid memory of like a big
fail. fail. fail. And um And um And um then I did some dumb moves
dumb moves dumb moves uh uh uh trying to buy this and that, and you
know, trying to recoup your money. This is one of the worst thing
you can do in the market. Revenge investing, revenge trading is the
worst thing you can do in the market.
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And I did exactly this. I was was was genuinely tilted,
genuinely tilted, genuinely tilted, but uh I couldn't stop
myself. I wanted the the rush again. I wanted the money again,
because I went as high as 160. I couldn't stand being at 120, 1
100. And so, I I kept doing stupid things, stupid things one one
after the other. And by January 2023, I had 14,000 euros left on the
bank account on the broker account. So, So, So, you've lost all
of your parents' money, which I would I would assume is uh is
important to them. Like they might be they might they've got
the apartment and stuff like that, but the the 50,000 is
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not just a it's not a drop in the ocean for them unless
they're other multi-millionaires. other multi-millionaires.
other multi-millionaires. No, they're not. It was basically all
their money. Yeah. They were cool about it. They they would ask me
like, "How is it going?" Yeah. I wouldn't say I would
just smile and we will all laugh it out. So, this like it it it
didn't uh affect me in some way. Like it didn't put any
pressure on my shoulders. Uh I I And also, I'm a responsible
kid. I'm a responsible human being. I knew that I will get them
the money back one way or the other. Maybe not the stock market, but
I would work
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my off, you know, and just provide and deliver and do any
kind of job to get their money back and make sure that I don't
screw them. Can I I'd like to get into what you're doing
now and what's working right now? But I mean first, I know you
studied economics. Is there any value that you can kind of pass on
to the people listening listening listening that you've picked
up from economics? Yeah, I think uh I think everyone should have
like some basics economics uh knowledge because uh because uh
because uh the the the macro, what we call the macro, is uh is the
most important thing in the market. How money flows into
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the market, how what the Federal Reserve does, what how it
impacts the market, what their yield is and why is this so
important. Most people who invest and trade don't know the
simple formula of discounted cash flows and don't know that the
the yield used by the Federal Reserve is basically what is used to
discount cash flow. And this is on the lower side of the the
division. So basically, if you have a big number there, your money
your money your money is worth much less. The future cash flow is
what is is is worth much less. And this is very basic knowledge and
knowledge and knowledge and I think most of people many people
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don't don't know this and don't understand
this. Like a high rate from the Federal Reserve automatically means
lower price for assets across the board, especially risky ones. This
is the kind of knowledge that without my economic degree, I
wouldn't know. And I would encourage everyone who loves
investing investing investing to study to study to study in a in a
funny way, you know, don't go into books right away like the
most complicated one. Just go on YouTube channel. There are very
like brief videos, cool videos who explain this, the monetary system
in a very light way. And only this can actually like give you some
edge, you know, and still I I come back to
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this because it's it's also something that I I
learned from him. But Warren Buffett says this all the time.
He's always in many interviews he's talking about how the
the the the the the the the rate from the Federal Reserve, the
interest rate is you know, you know, you know, a form of gravity,
you know, like at some point stocks eventually go down if the the
the rate is high. So I think this is the the biggest most important
thing that people underestimate. Uh this is something that I've
noticed is really important. I'm actually reading a book by Ray
Dalio called debt cycles right now. I do some like biotech investing
things and the most
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important thing possible is that um inflation is low, the the
general interest rate is going 5 4 3 2 1%. 1%. 1%. And And And well,
a lot of people don't realize like when there's a lot of
when the interest rates are low, everyone has more money, borrowing
is easier, people uh find it more accessible to get more debt. When
people have more debt and more money, the first thing they do is try
to make more money with it. They're putting it in the market.
So, assets go up and like a lot of people I think a lot of people
don't quite pick up that I I didn't pick it up till 3 or 4
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years ago. But then it But then the reverse happens. So, when
the interest rates are are too low by the government uh for too
long, long, long, the opposite happens. They have to pull the pull
the rates back up. Money gets pulled out of the economy. The first
things to fall is is is assets. So, as an investor, or even a day
trader, like looking for hot cycles in markets, Yeah, you do.
>> You you you have Yeah, exactly. It's imperative to
understand like it's it's basic economics, but it's
super important. And also like the the What does the Fed do? Like
what is its role? And uh And uh And uh its role is
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to maintain inflation at uh 2% and have a very healthy um job
market. And this drives all the decisions. And when you have
inflation, it's not good. When you have recession, it's
not good. When you have stagflation, it's not good. And this is
very very like general basic knowledge, but this is actually
something you have to understand in order to understand economic
cycles. And I'm not telling you that you need to like try to
predict them or enter at this point or exit at this point or wait
for a crash or No, this is not it. The only thing you need is to
understand why something is moving. You know, like for example, once
again,
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when I invested in 2021, I didn't understand that
everything was moving because the just that the Fed was printing
money. I knew it because I studied it, but once it's your
money, once you you start investing the money, you have like kind of
a your vision is blurred. This at least this is what I felt. I
couldn't couldn't couldn't I just I couldn't
grab this reality. And when it tanked because of inflation, then I
understood. And then I saw the real effects of monetary policy, of
inflation, and this is how I learned. You see what I mean? Like this
is going through going through going through this difficult time is
what opened my eyes in
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the end. For a lot of traders and [clears throat] investors,
it's also not just like how much money is there in the economy,
but where's where's the money going? And right now
we're seeing the the memory and the the memory and the the
semiconductors and the the GPU. It's almost like it's not
so much in stuff like Nvidia. It's all it's not in AI as
much. It's in the company that helps power the the the
factories, all of the hard stuff behind the AI. Yeah, you you have
also this this this is something I didn't understand at first
and took me a while to is is is um um um uh narrative. Narrative and
hot
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uh topics. topics. topics. Um Um Um when I bought when I
first bought uh Rocket Lab, once again, which is my all-in stock,
all-in stock, all-in stock, um space was not the trend. Space was
absolutely not sexy. Space was basically when when you would uh
write uh RKLB on X, you would have bots. Like all the pages was
floo- were flooded with bots. Like a price alert, price target. No
one was talking about it. And now I understand that maybe that was
not the best time to invest because the focus that the market has on
a topic a topic a topic drives drives drives you ultimately the
price. And I waited from 2021 to 2024
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to get my money back. If I did other things in the meantime,
if I invested on other things other things other things it would
have maybe worked even better. And by 2024 it was clear that uh as
you said like Nvidia, all of these were becoming like a very hot
topic, but also space. Space was clearly with SpaceX starting to
talk about IPO, uh with reusab- reusability, with the uh the moon,
with all of these massive projects, with Golden Dome. You have a a
focus on this area and if you hold the right assets at the at the
right time right time right time everything pumps. Everything.
It's not perfect because if you invest in
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bad things, it will pump, but it will eventually go back
down. But in if you invest in great assets, like I again, Rocket Lab
is one of the if not the best public space public company available.
Yeah, look at the stock price. It's it's it's
incredible and I think it it will get even even better. So let me
let me take a quick look at RKLD just to All right, so Rocket I can
bring this up in a little bit. Yeah, it's three from a three to
117. Christ. So Christ. So Christ. So >> [laughter] >>
[laughter] >> [laughter] >> tell me um Let me just find
the screen. Here we are. So are. So
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are. So you we were down to 4 in the 16,000 parents
understanding. How has that turned into 1.6 million? Can you walk us
through kind of the the strategy that you've employed and how
>> [clears throat] >> So, >> So, >> So, I
like businesses. This is what I like. I understand and love
businesses. I understand and love money, profit. money, profit.
money, profit. And when I see a company, I'm whether I'm
excited right away or I'm just just just thrown away and I
don't want to hear about it anymore. And this is a mistake. You
need to have an open mind. This is a mistake I made early on. And
And And when I
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first started, I I saw an opportunity. opportunity.
opportunity. Have you heard about the brand Aston Martin? Martin?
Martin? The car brand? Yeah. Aston Martin, uh English English brand.
Um was just bought by a billionaire. His name is La- Lawrence
Stroll, okay? And by a a member of the Mercedes team, the boss of
the Mercedes team, Formula 1 team, Toto Wolff. They injected money
into Aston Martin. So, I was sure that sure that sure that the the
this company was amazing. How did I discover it? Headlines. Just
reading through, reading through, reading through, you know, just
trying to trying to trying to find something. Going out there, like
looking on looking on looking on I I
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can't even tell you, but on news outlets, on YouTube.
Just I just maybe I was just watching Formula 1 this day and I heard
that Lawrence Stroll was buying uh was acquiring Aston Martin and I
I told myself that the business is worth 1 billion right now. And
Ferrari, which is a competitor, is worth 30 billion right now.
It's a distressed asset. You have two guys, two geniuses in
their own field, that come and acquire this company. They're
going to clean it, clean its debt, make it more efficient, and bring
it back to the top. What does this mean in terms of market cap? It
means that it's worth it's worth 1 billion right now.
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In 5 years, it will be worth 10 billion. billion. billion.
That was my very basic idea. So, I I all I just I went all in on on
Aston Martin. That was my first investment. And And And if I had
kept this investment, I would have 10,000 euros right now. But, what
did you put in Aston Martin? What was your investment? I think I had
I was all in. I had 120. And it's And you would have had 10,000
now, so it's So, what's what So, you bought the narrative
of of some billionaires taking over a company turning it around, but
it it's not a success story in the end, is it? No. They they
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failed, haven't they? I they they I I I thought after 3
years or after a few um um um earning calls, if I don't see
anything anything anything play out, I'll exit. And uh I was
not seeing any progress. Delays, Delays, Delays, um costs that kept
rising, um the depth level was not coming down. Everything that I
anticipated was going to happen never never happened. So, I just And
I found Rocket Lab in in the in in the meantime. Be Rocket Lab
didn't IPO um was not uh public before uh uh uh March April of
2021. So, basically, I had uh yeah. yeah. yeah. I two things
happened simultaneously. Aston Martin went bad. I saw
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it coming. And Rocket Lab IPO'd. and I just decided to
go to go to go very deep into Rocket Lab very rapidly. Do you know
the ticker for Aston Martin kind of find this? Is it even on the
platform here? >> Say Say what? A M M M >> AML L Uh this
is not going to No, it's it's on the British the British
the British It's on the British one. I think it's AML
point something. Yeah. Yeah, AML group. group. group. So this is
Yeah. Aston Do you know? So when did you buy it? buy it? buy it? I I
I I bought it I bought it before this. I bought it in 2020.
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Yep, around here. >> got it around Around here and I I
wrote I wrote this this wave to the way up and I I sold when it
started to dip. Like uh Okay. But a bit before it But I remember
like someday went from 19 they Of course they split reverse split 10
times since then, but I was at 19, 20 and at 17 I was out. So you So
you made You made some money on Aston Martin based on the kind of
the billionaire you saw but tell me about Rocket Lab because
you've mentioned Rocket Lab several times on this. In fact,
let's just quickly go to your Let's go quickly go to your
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your Kenfo profile as well just so people can see. So this is
you, 1.6 million 33% win rate. I want to ask how How can you lose so
much and make 1.6 million? Because again, like they all say it,
Buffett, look at this dumb idea. I wanted to recoup my money, so I
bought I bought put options cuz I I sold the stock. I sold Rocket
Lab a few weeks back. And when it jumped very high this past week, I
bought puts uh with the hope that they would print and I would I
could buy the stock back. This is typically a very very bad idea.
So, again, listen to Peter Lynch, Druckenmiller, Buffett, they
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all say it. They all say it's it's all very public
and out there. They all say it doesn't matter how many how many
times you lose. The only thing that matters is how much you make
when you win. And And And I can't say it better than this.
It's not about how many I could have an even worse ratio. I
could be at 2% but the the the only important thing is how much you
make once you win. And I made a lot, so. So, so this is Peter of a I
love I love how you've said that but so like your candle chart
looks like you've not been trading but and then you've
just
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had some big wins out of nowhere but it's actually not
true. When I actually scroll scroll through here even trading since
2024 and you were you were down about it says down 200 is that $223
at this point at least. $223 so just small small trades up 10 grand
down 4 grand. So, not much not nothing big going on here minus 20k
and then you've had this Yeah, I tried things too like I have
some money around that I throw like kind of a way, you know, I try I
remember buying like buying like buying like some some puts or dumb
stuff on like I think I bought puts on Nvidia when it was trading
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at $20 or something. So, I I make a like a ton of mistakes.
Like is this your RCKT trade this 90 to 1.5 million? million?
million? Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Right. So, so look, I want to I want to go
through sorry, RKLB trade sorry. So, So, to go through RKLB and I
want to understand like if it's possible to like take a look on
Yahoo Finance maybe. Let's have a quick look on on the this
chart. And just walk us through the entire trade and and how you had
the conviction to hold Where where did you get in first of all? So,
So, So, um um um I was I was I was um talking
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about Aston Martin, okay? While I was all in Aston Martin,
there was a stock called Tesla that was going into another
dimension. Basically, it pumped maybe 10x in 6 months. months.
months. And I was there holding my rocket my Aston Martin and
feeling like an idiot because I bought this like old school, not
trendy, not cool on the British exchange exchange exchange kind of
shitty stock thinking I was a genius. Meanwhile, all the cool folks
out there were making tons of money with Tesla. And I wanted my
Tesla. I wanted my Tesla real bad. And I don't really know how
I started looking on YouTube. Maybe I started looking about Tesla.
And I stumbled on
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a page and I would encourage everyone to go watch this, but
there's a guy called Emmet Peppers. And another guy called Dave
Lee. And these two had conversations back in the day in 2020 around
Tesla Tesla stock, Tesla growth. Tesla growth. Tesla growth. And
they all became multi-millionaires going all in early on early on
early on when the stock IPO'd in 2013, 14. And they all made 30
millions, maybe even more. And um And um And um I would I was just
like, "Man, I need I need my Tesla now. I need to find the
thing that is very small and I would I is impossible uh for it to
succeed and it will succeed.
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succeed. succeed. And this guy, Emmet Peppers, started his
own channel and and and he was chatting with a friend or like his
associate, I don't know how you say, like his uh uh he had a
company with him on investing friend. Yeah. Anyways. And um And um
And um at some point they dropped the name. They dropped Rocket Lab.
And I was like, this guy knows. You know, obviously he bought Tesla
at uh $2. Now it's worth 500. So, So, So, if he's talking
about Rocket Lab, I'm going to buy Rocket Lab. And I bought
instantly Rocket Lab. Instantly. I dropped 10K. And then I did my
research. And again, this is very known, very
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very public. Put some money into into a stock as quick as
possible because it will drive your research. your research. your
research. And this is what I did. And I started to learn about
Rocket Lab. And the the most important thing was listening to
earning calls, very boring stuff. Listening to earning calls,
listening to the CEO, listening to the CFO, um um um looking at the
their track record. And when I did this, I discovered maybe the best
company best company best company on the planet at this scale. Like
I'm sure now and it's obvious in retrospect. But when I
heard the CEO, his name is Sir Peter Beck, uh uh uh I was like,
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I I can't not go all in. This guy is honest, honest,
honest, uh uh uh a genius, a genius, a genius, super ambitious,
super ambitious, super ambitious, and level-headed. and
level-headed. and level-headed. And y- y- y- you this is something
also very important, like uh the human side of things. You know, If
you see a uh if you hear an if you listen to an earning call and you
feel a a bad vibe, you know, some some someone that smells like
fishy, fishy, fishy, you shouldn't invest your money. And this
guy was like it I can't even tell you how much I I thought
highly of this guy and I still think. I was like,
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he he knows. He he's he's he's amazing.
He's an amazing person. He's an an amazing leader.
He's an amazing engineer. So, So, So, yeah, I just I told
myself, he who who who who better than him to handle my money? A- as
as simplistic as it sounds, he handles your money at the end of the
day. And I was like, okay, there's no one else on in the market
that I know of that then that can handle my money this good. So,
good. So, good. So, I'll I'll give him everything and at
some point in the future space will become commercial space will
become uh mainstream. I was convinced of this also. also. also. And
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so I went all in. Yeah, and it's it's kind of that
thing of like some people have just got that um um um that X factor
where you just feel you just feel like that's that person is is
someone special just by the way they talk, by the way they hold the
room, by the way by the evidence of the things that they create. I
mean, you've got these people like Elon Musk and and Steve Jobs
and Jeff Bezos and and I guess this guy for you was Yeah, he's
exactly that. >> had that that that kind of X factor of like
this guy is like a vision He's got this visionary, but
he's he's
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practical. He's got the practicality to bring the vision
to life as well. But it like why is Rocket Lab what what was Rocket
Lab at $3 a stock though? Or $4 a share? It was a small company,
rather small, but with enormous ambitions. And this is also
something that becomes instantly important when you buy into a
stock. It's learning about the industry. Uh seeing the time
where it will go in 5 years, 10 years. And And And back in the day
it looked pretty small. They had They had They had like maybe 70
million per year of revenue revenue revenue and a small rocket, but
launching a a rocket successfully and and delivering a payload
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into space is extremely extremely rare. It's super hard.
hard. hard. And they And they And they they they would do it on a
regular basis. Now it's even the the frequency is even higher,
but they had they had they had the the foundation to become
something spectacular. And um And um And um at 350 was basically
basically basically uh ready to scale into giant type of company.
company. company. And today and also yeah, very important point, but
that when they IPO'd when they de-SPAC'd, they announced
Neutron, which is their newer rocket, which is much heavier. much
heavier. much heavier. You could see, you know, that the the
trajectory of the company was following this this
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much larger rocket. They had big plans. It was super hard to
to to execute them, but every uh quarter uh quarter uh quarter I
would listen to the earning call and see that this little company
that was sending sending sending successfully a rocket into space
was actually doing what it was saying it was going to do. I just
told myself every quarter I told myself, "Okay, it's
amazing. I don't care what the market thinks. I know this is
amazing and I I'm pretty sure it will pay out eventually."
So what was Rocket Lab trying to do? Was just trying to Is it like
commercial space flight or was it What was the the the goal
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of the company or what is the goal of the company? So,
basically it started as a launch provider. provider. provider. But,
that's not a good business on its own. own. own. So, So, So,
they quickly understood this and they started making acquisitions in
order to also sell space systems. It's a big like I I
can't Home Depot for space. You know, it was a small one back
in the day, but that was their ambition. It was to become a big Home
Depot for space. Everything that goes to space has a Rocket Lab logo
on it today. No, I'm I'm it's not everything, but
it's a crazy number like 40% 30 or 40% of everything that
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goes to space has a Rocket Lab logo on it, whether it's
solar panels, reaction wheels. It It It You see like they
they've controlled the whole the whole chain, the supply chain
to space. Uh and if you see this and you understand where the the
space industry is going, is going, is going, then how can you not
love it? Like I guess a product or a a piece of something like I
know what you mean by the Home Depot. Any kind of product that is
related to space Rocket All that goes to space Rocket Lab managed
this process. So, whatever's happened like whatever products
are made on the ground is is also is is already
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like an industry that's completely saturated. But, no
one's doing this kind of thing for space yet and so Rocket
Lab's like the first to do it or is there competitors? Um
it's like any industry that was very fragmented. Basically, you
had two or three old school big players, Boeing, Arianne, ULA that
were very rusty uh commercial companies and they were not entirely
commercial. Like actually, they were not commercial. Like Boeing a a
but uh the Artemis program, for example, is example, is example, is
part subsidized by the the American people, the American public.
That was a a very dusty industry, and you had these newcomers,
newcomers, newcomers, SpaceX, SpaceX, SpaceX, Rocket Lab, Blue
Origin, that
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that that just basically told everyone, "We're
going to replace these old like these boomers." As I told you,
it's it comes from my let's say business love my love of
businesses, businesses, businesses, is that I understand the I
understood the inefficiencies going into into into a company like
Boeing or like like that kind of projects, you know, money is wasted
by the billions with these companies. And you had the new ones,
SpaceX, Rocket Lab, Blue Origin, much leaner, much more efficient,
and you could see that they were going to capture to capture to
capture all of this money that was going to waste and make it a
profit for them, you know, because they were
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private, first first of all. Yeah, I know, like I I I've
read some like investment investment books, and and a lot of them
talk about like I think think think a lot of them talk about moats
and and things like that, and it's it's it's almost
like for Rocket Lab, they've they've they've saw an
industry that's not quite took off yet. There's
exponential growth. The existing players aren't really doing it
properly. And then I suppose you've got SpaceX, which has an
IPO that yet. I don't know if Blue Blue Origin's not a No.
ticker yet either. So, Rocket Lab's the first ticker on the
market Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. >> brand new industry
that's going to
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take over it. over it. over it. And like it's kind of
like yeah, it's it's like it's it's hard to see
how it can fail with a really charismatic visionary CEO. Is that
that's kind of Is that Is that kind of where you're going
with it? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I would doubt myself,
of course, when the when the stock would range between four and
eight and four and five and four and six. I would I would hate
myself, even. I would be like, "Man, you're dumb. This is
This This was so dumb from you." But, at the same time, I never
sold because I was convinced that what I was seeing would be seen
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by everyone eventually. everyone eventually. everyone
eventually. And thank God that this is what happened. happened.
happened. But, I mean, yeah, I I I know I can see these fluctuations
on the chart like three It must have been torture to go Oh, yeah,
it's happening at 3.50 to 8. No, no, it's coming back
down. Why would you sell it from >> The >> The >>
The >> Two years of range. Absolute Yeah, horri- horrible,
like it Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially those uh three those low 3
3.30s before 3.30s before 3.30s before All of a sudden, it goes uh
to God knows God knows what. But, I mean, look, like I'm just
curious. Like, this company doesn't
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have endless supplies of money. It must must be having some
form of dilution because when I'm looking at the annual, I
It's still losing This company's losing money now.
Although, it's it's it's it's revenue is
It's like Uber, right? Like, Uber lost money for its first 10
years or whatever. But, like, is there no fear of dilution or dilute
with shareholders or I think yeah, the dilution is uh is a great
thing. It's an amazing thing with with capable management.
management. management. Uh let's say they raise 1 billion. This
billion will turn into 10 billions because they're capable.
It's like an investment. Uh very short term, it stinks.
It's It's bad. You don't like it.
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But, over the long run, this is what allows a company to
scale, to actually deliver. deliver. deliver. Dilution is a bad
thing when you have a a management that dilutes you every 6 months
and over promises and under delivers because if effectively,
they're taking money away from you. from you. from you. The
stock price keeps being the same and the market cap goes up. So,
basically you're just you're just you're just being
wiped out. With a capable management, with someone who knows what
he's doing, like the CFO Adam Spice and the CEO Serge Futterer
back, I knew that I just could trust them with with the dilution,
with the money they were uh uh uh
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taking from the market because that $1 billion billion
billion for example, that they would raise, they would make it
eventually would turn into $10 billion, $15 billion. And this for a
company is the only way to scale and to become big. So, a big
company is good for investors. You you don't want a company
that stays small because they were afraid of dilution. dilution.
dilution. Dilution is an incredible thing when used by the proper
management. You you basically took Rocket Lab from your and it from
the 290s cuz you you would have been in the 408s and then it it went
as low as low as low as Rocket Lab went as low as I
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think I'm seeing 320. Yeah, around Yeah, around Yeah,
around >> at 320s up to 117. Are you still in Rocket Lab? No,
I'm not, unfortunately. Hurt yourself. Hurt yourself. Hurt
yourself. I sold around 90. 90. So, you you took Rocket Lab from 370
to over 90. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And and mind you, I had
leaps and leap options. leap options. leap options. And this is this
is the biggest differentiator is that I I I I held the stock for 2
years. And then as we saw earlier, it was ranging badly. ranging
badly. ranging badly. And I got so so upset about it at some point,
beginning of 2024, I think, that I just
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I was like, okay. Okay, the This is how you want to play it?
it? it? I sold everything and I bought leaps and I was just ready to
go bust or hero or zero. Thank God, Thank God, Thank God, hero.
Crazy. Well, you bought them in the money or you bought like four $4
leap options or you bought like $50 leap options with a million
million contracts? contracts? contracts? >> I I bought 222
leap options leap options leap options for $5 strike price. They
were worth $1.47 $1.47 $1.47 at the time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
God help the person who sold MGT. >> [laughter] >>
[laughter] >> [laughter] >> I think I think he's
doing
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just fine now. Like since I sold it has risen even more. Like
it's up 50% like maybe a little bit less, but >>
originally sold it though was Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. This one,
rip. Yeah, this one is definitely like I'm sorry for him, too.
Yeah. I do what you do, but I do it in biotechs. Biotechnology.
I'm My brother's into My brother's actually a
scientist. He's professor in a lab. I I never was a scientist.
scientist. scientist. But I was always into I'm I'm quite
into like like like researching biotechs, the diseases that they
cure. I'm I'm interested I'm interested in how you
cure cancer. I'm not clever enough to do it, but
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I like to read about it. Do you know Do you know what I mean?
That's also very interesting. I absolutely don't. Yeah.
But um But um But um And yeah, like there's sometimes Aussie LT
was a a biotech for me and it just had some bad news on a phase
three and the options were The stock was at 180 and I was buying
what like I was buying $2 $2 strike for like 20 cents and this
it's went up to five. five. five. And I've still got some
of those options and it's it's not it's not three to
three 490 but I was looking at the options thinking options thinking
options thinking how can you
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sell options on the stock by 20 cents cuz I'm just going
to buy tons of contracts and I know and I know that it's got
other things in the pipeline that are that are worth tremendous
value that sound like they're going to work. But that so now
you now you know this now you kind of know the formula of buying
buying a ton of cheap options and how it it can really work on the
on the right company. But even like I bought a bunch of options on
Google like I didn't want to buy I didn't have the balance
to buy the a ton of options. I bought call spreads like vertical
spreads. I bought
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a ton of vertical spreads saying Google in one in nine months
will be this price at the at the peak of the Iran war and I'm
like of course Google's going to come back in the next nine
months because because because if you if you look at any of the
history or the economics of wars the stock market always generally
rises 20 30 20 at least 10 to 20%. With it like after the three
months crash of the war and it happened after like all of the Iran
wars the Iraq war the the Ukraine Russia war like like like even I
think going back to World War II like the market rose go after the
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initial three months drop it would always rise so I was like
oh of course Google's going to rise with the TI revolution and
stuff like that as well. I'm like how would I don't
I'm like who sells these call spreads the you're
you're an insane person to sell us these spreads like why who
would I mean it's the most guaranteed money of any guaranteed
money. Do you know what I mean? Like who sells these spreads? I just
don't get it and obviously I'm about like I'm about
to cash out on them in a in a couple of months. >> Nice nice
nice. Well done. But But But so It's it's also very risky
we should
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also emphasize that you can also get like demolished. Yeah.
Even with leaps because you know you you never know how long a
certain downturn will will last or you never know what can happen
with one single company. company. company. It's always a risky
bet. This is the the best way to go to zero, you know? Just time
decay will take you to zero. I was lucky and very lucky that the
timing was perfect because they went through the roof, but imagine
we had yet another war war war starting in 2024, gas prices going
back up, the Fed not hiking rates, hiking rates, hiking rates,
stocks staying low another year or 2 years, years, years, and
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I would actually have maybe lost everything. So, everything.
So, everything. So, it's always be good to be cautious.
It's always good to understand the risks that you're
taking, you're taking, you're taking, but uh if you are
comfortable and if you thought this through and if you know what
you're talking about and you know what you hold and know the
industry, then yeah, well, definitely encourage you to to go for it.
Go go for the leaps. leaps. leaps. So, options is for those who
don't know, it's all about um you predicting a volatile
move to happen just before it happens, and it has to hit a certain
range that you're predicting. And if you can manage
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to get the timing correct, it will pay 10 times the leverage.
Um or if you get the timing wrong, you can you can lose everything.
The way I do my options is I generally I don't I don't bet
too much. I may bet a little bit outside of the money to get better
to get cheaper better value, but um but I'll like for example,
with options, I'll I'll I'll I'll have like if
if everything was to expire worthless each month cuz I've got a
bunch of options on a bunch of months, I'll not lose more than
$1,500 $2,000. So, like the most I'll lose is $2,000 every
month if something goes wrong. And I I
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trade a bunch I trade a bunch of equities as well, so
it's like it's it's never going to end as losing the
2,000. That's the type of thing that >> think get getting
your losses is actually a very like it's also something very
important knowing when to cut your losses is extremely undervalued
because I bought a ton of bad businesses too. I bought I bought
about Virgin Galactic, about Beyond Meat, about Open OpenDoor. I
bought all of these near peak like Beyond Meat I bought it at $115.
$115. $115. $115. Now it's worth what? 90 cents? So, you know,
cutting your losses very very rapidly in something you don't
believe in is is underrated. And
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after market as well. But you just just putting on the what I
what I realized is that what I once I don't know what you think
about this, but I I I did exactly what you did. I I still do exactly
what you do. I generally trade things with equities first and when I
feel like a move is it should be exploding and it's not not not
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. >> I'll I'll I'll
put the options on because I'm like this is breaking point. So
I'll put the options with the equity and I I generally do that
with a with a lot of stocks long and short. I'll short a stock
cut it short a
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stock cut it. Then I'll short a stock put the puts on as
well because I'm like this is so ridiculous that the leverage
is going to pay. pay. pay. Yeah, the that's a very good thing
you're bringing because what happened is exactly this with the
Rocket Lab leaps. It's Rocket Lab signed a massive contract
worth 500 million of dollars of dollars of dollars and it was
trading at 2 billion and the stock popped for a day or two and then
it tanked so bad and and it went to all-time lows after this like
monstrous signing, monstrous contract it went to the to its all-time
low. It went to the three 320 or 350 you were
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mentioning before and I was like what in the world is
happening here? Like why is it tanking to all-time lows and they
just signed the biggest contract of their lives? lives? lives? So I
just went, "Okay, I sell the the the the stock, and now
let's go for the lips." Yeah. Well, yeah, when when when
the market's at the peak of its delusion. And and then to So,
just to kind of to wrap up, I guess, um can you come to kind of
finish up on kind of some how you can carry these principles across
that you've learned for other people to kind of pass on? And
then also, if you've got any future predictions,
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I'm sure the man who's just made 1.6 million, if
you've got any predictions on next stock stocks, please share
it with the money for the community. community. community. Love the
game, and have a long-term mindset. mindset. mindset. Love
companies, study companies, study their industry, find I'm not
telling you to go all in one stock. This is obviously risky, but
find a basket of companies that you truly understand. Don't
make it 30, 40, 50. Make it five top. Understand everything about
them, everything about their industry, and just go for it. This is
how you create wealth. This is how you make 1.6 million million
million dollars. dollars. dollars. No I'm no genius.
There's no secret. It's
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just It's just It's just this [clears throat]
simple simple formula. formula. formula. Yeah, cuz I mean, some
people there could some people could say you got lucky. lucky.
lucky. I would say that you you made you made your own luck. Uh Uh
Uh I got There's Listen, there's obviously luck involved,
obviously. You But But But what people underestimate is what it
takes to see it go up 30%, 50%, 100%, 100%, 100%, 500%, 500%, 500%,
and not sell. Because I could have sold anywhere between 14,000
euros and 1.4 million euros. I could have sold anywhere. anywhere.
anywhere. And I knew I understood what I held. I knew where it could
go. So, I just didn't move.
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And this is the non-lucky part non-lucky part non-lucky part
is that is that is that I didn't I didn't budge. And
believe me, huh? Last last year when tariff happened, I was still
into the leaps. And I went from 450,000 450,000 450,000 euros euros
euros to 113,000 to 113,000 to 113,000 euros within 1 month. And I
didn't budge because I knew that space space space was big, was
becoming bigger. I knew that SpaceX was going to IPO. I knew all of
these things. And I just yeah, held. >> Why didn't you
sell a couple of them? Did you sell a couple of them or did you sell
none? sell none? sell none? Cuz you had
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a lot of futures contracts. Sell none. Sell none. Sell none.
Um I I did sell, but Oh, yeah, I did sell sell sell earlier when it
I was so traumatized so traumatized of the 2-year of ranging that
when it went when I went back up to 80,000 euros, which was my
initial uh investment, I saw like maybe 30% and I was panicked. I
was like, I want to save all of my money. I want to sell everything.
I wanted to sell everything because I was like, okay, I'm even
let's give the money back to my parents. Let's get my
money back. And I'll just I'll just forget about this
whole thing. But then I was
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I was like, why would you do this? Why would you do this?
This When I tell you this is the non-lucky part is that you have to
reason yourself. You have to maintain some kind of you know, of
structure in there because otherwise you sell, you buy, you do a
plenty of wrong things that will use your money. And now I have 1.4
million euros. I could have had 3 million euros if I didn't
move, but that's not important. The most important thing is
that yeah, just, you know, have a have a have a a frame, a mental
frame on how to just be serious about this. Why 90? Why did you sell
at 90?
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Uh because Uh because Uh because I just thought that that was
like it's dumb, but it was 100x from the lows. lows. lows. I
was my low was 14,000 euros. And I was at 1.4 million euros. So, I
was like, okay, I just 100x my money. I need to protect my capital.
Yeah. It's fair enough. And and and the other and next industry
or sector that you're looking at? I think you should buy Rocket
Lab, maybe not now because it's reaching like all-time highs
all the time, but this is this industry is going nowhere. It will be
here for 5 years, 10 years, 100 years. We're going to visit
other planets most likely, and you
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know, maybe SpaceX and Rocket Lab will be gone by then, but
for the next 20 years 20 years 20 years this is the industry that
will matter. Now we're talking about data centers in space. I
think that this time will only expand from here, and there are very,
very few players who have the keys to space, and actually there are
three. Rocket Lab, Rocket Lab, Rocket Lab, SpaceX, Blue Origin.
SpaceX being of course the best one by far, but still Rocket Lab has
the keys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And And And also now I I have my money
on Reddit, so I just throw the name out there, but I have some of my
money on
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Reddit. I'm I'm buying buying buying more
responsibly. I think I'll end up being all in, too, but
I'm being I'm buying by chunks. Uh And I think yeah, I
think it's in the value at the moment. I think it can go much
higher. I think it can also go much lower if the macro market are
not playing along, but uh my next play for now is Reddit. Do your
DD. Understand how it what it does and the industry and everything,
but this is a name I like. It's not a 100x, but it's a for
for the next 10 years, it's a good 10x, I think. But
you're not going to You're not going to go
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all in on I think I am. I think I am. I think I can. I think
yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah,
yeah. Eventually, yeah. Eventually, yeah. Eventually, yeah. This is
just the I don't know for the best or the worst, this is just
how I how my brain like like to do things and whenever I see
I'm greedy in Subway and it's bad, but when I see
something that seems cheap and that I think I understand well
enough, I just I just go all in. And we'll we'll
we'll just we'll wrap it up here cuz we're coming to
time a little bit, but can I just can I just
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ask Reddit why why what what are you seeing there that's
cuz I I totally get space. Like I totally I totally understand it
and I'm like I hate myself that I didn't see this. Why why
Reddit? I think it's um it's one of the last genuine human
interaction. It's one of the last places where you have genuine
human interactions. It's interactions. It's interactions.
It's it's the only social network I personally like in the
sense that you have people cheering you, you have people explain
explaining you things. You also have of course like you know, bad
apples like everywhere else, but the vast majority of people in here
here here are are are it [clears throat]
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feels like they're here to to help each other. And this
is this is this is very valuable in the the AI era and advertisers
will value this and for now it's it's only starting
it's monetization monetization monetization journey. It
hasn't made a lot of money like the potential is still super
high for them to make much more money per users for example in the
United States they make $9 per user. In Europe or in the rest of the
world they make $2 per user. If they bring this number up to the US
level it's like 5 billion in revenue. You see? So this is one
catalyst that go can carry you for 5 years. Another
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catalyst is they're renegotiating as we speak with
Gemini and with GPT to to sell the data available on the website.
And it used to be a fixed contract 60 million per year and now
it's going to be a user per usage, you know, like if Gemini and
GPT GPT GPT uses a lot of Reddit content they have they'll have
to pay a lot of money. So this is another catalyst for example. Yeah
but I just think the the narrative about I never thought about it
like that as well but how do how do you realize that it's
it's the last social network with true human interaction
because cuz you're right you did right I didn't
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think about it I mean obviously X is the first one to get
toppled over by companies and bought and stuff like that and I see
how Reddit's true human interaction but I mean Instagram's
true human no? Instagram's It is but it doesn't feel
genuine it feels like it's all fake. I mean it's not the
criteria because fake or not fake it's the money doesn't
care about fake or not fake. It's just that yeah now you have
you start to have you don't know if something is AI or not. Uh
you could say that it's also the case for for Reddit, but when
I go there and I ask for my I don't know, my gas
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stove who just broke, I'm quite confident it's not
an AI, but like like like replying. It's It's someone who
wants to help me out. Yeah, if I want to show off my new watch, I
don't have any new watches. I haven't splurged on
anything, but let's say I'm proud. I just bought a Rolex.
I want to share it my with all the Rolex lovers, for example, and
you know, uh dumb example, because I'll never buy one most most
likely, but uh uh yeah, my new phone, my new car, my whatever. Like
this feels genuine. On Instagram, you have more like, "Oh,
I'll show you my life. I'll show you how cool I am. And uh
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buy my product." That's that's that's
more that's more that's more Yeah, I think it's the
last authentic network, yeah. Completely makes sense. That's an
interesting one. Can I Can I just Can I get any final thoughts, any
final comments before we wrap it up? Listen, I'm just super
happy to have done this interview. I hope it helps as many people
many people many people uh as possible. I hope that people
understand that a long-term view in long-term view in the market is
is the key to success. And uh yeah, I hope you guys liked it. All
right, man. Stan, you've give a tremendous value. tremendous
value. tremendous value. Um Um Um very unique perspective we've
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never had on here before, so thank you for your time and
thank you for your transparency. transparency. transparency. Thank
you, Stephen.
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That one tip is going to help so many short sellers. I made
$100,000 in 3 months. I traveled 27 countries in 2 years.
There's going to be so many people out there who who are just
thinking like the only time I can trade is after hours. How is this
guy just made 100k after hours? And if I show right here, I'm
in a very good position because I know that I I'm risking like
[music] 5%. But if I hold this and it goes down, I could make like
22 26%. That was the main game changer for me. Welcome to
Undiscovered Traders, the podcast that brings the next six and seven
figure verified traders onto the
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scene. And today we're with a friend after hours trader,
Lucas Marin, who's up about a quarter of a million right now.
But the most important thing, he's made $100,000 in the last 3
months while working a full-time job. And he's called the after
hours trader because he only trades after hours with the exception
we're just talking about BY and ND which was like the
unmissable the unmissable uh uh uh meme stock short. Uh today
we're going to look about look at a little bit about his chart
and and basically some real life examples of of how he's
trading after hours. Perfect episode for anyone who's got a
full-time job. Right. >> Exactly. Thank you very
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much, Stephen, for being here uh for for letting me be here.
It's a it's a pleasure. It's a long journey to be
honest. I've been trading for a long time. This is not the
first time I've spoken to Lucas Mar. He's in S Paulo right
now. I'm in Rio de Janeiroto. We've met a couple of times,
so we already have like a friendship and a relationship. We've
met a few times at events and whatnot. So, like I know Lucas's
journey, but like why don't you like walk us through it, but I
I remember you at 100K and I thought, is he going to make it? Is he
not? And you've just catapulted. So, tell tell
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us about it. about it. about it. All right. So, basically my
story with trading started a long time ago. So, I would say 17 years
ago. Uh because I started working at in a brokerage house in Brazil.
So, I'm from Brazil as you said. Uh it's called the
brokerage house. It's it was credit Swiss, which it's one
of the was one of the biggest banks in in in the world and it was
the main tra broker in Brazil in terms of volume for equities. Okay.
And uh it was an amazing experience because I kind of learned the
the everything like behind the scenes from trading like how you
actually see the market in terms of
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flow because what I what I was trading I was trading like I I
wasn't trading to make money. I was trading to execute well
orders. So it's a different game. It's a game of okay, let
me trade uh I don't know XYZ stock. How many shares this stock
trade a day? If I don't know if it trades 1 million shares a
day and I receive like a 200,000 shares to buy in a single day, how
do I buy it? It's like 1/5if of the volume of the whole day.
Like it's kind of impossible to buy in a single day. So how do
you do it? you kind of search for block trades, you kind of
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start by going to the market, but in the same time once you
go big in the market, everybody understands that you have a big
order. So, it's pretty much like how you execute your order
without everybody knowing the size that I have behind, you know, so
it's a different game and uh sometimes we I made like very big
I would like make mistakes as traders, right? So, you probably know
a little bit of Brazilian market, but Brazilian market it's way
way way way way way way like tiny compared to US. We have like 400
stocks in Brazil and like we don't see any stocks moving more
than 5% a day at all at all. But
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one day I was like trading a company like called yellow.
yellow is like a a machine a payment machine company and I was I had
like a huge order that I was supposed to buy 20% of the volume right
and there was a block trade of 1 million share like shares and all
of the sudden my algorithm because like trading in this
institutional world you only trade algorithms right so you pretty
much has to handle 300 orders at the same time of different symbols
so it was like a crazy moment that I was like pretty much buying the
whole book because the the the the algorithm didn't see like he
saw the the 1 million
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size order. So he had like started buying 20% of the volume
which is pretty much the whole book and I made like the stock went
up 6% it halted. So I was like in panic like what the what I what
did I do you know but that kind of situation only happens where
you're over that side of the game which is a completely
different game for what we do here right but that kind of helping me
understand that shards are important but more than shards flow is
what matters you know if you understand that flow it's more
move what moves stock you understand the game some way somehow you
know well I mean that was
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a crazy experience But al in terms of the personal trading, I
was never able to be profitable trading in Brazilian markets and I
traded for 12 years in Brazilian market. And uh it was only on 2021
when I kind of had for like I had another businesses. I was an
entrepreneur. I had like a startup and I kind of went bankrupt. So I
had to get my money outside Brazil. So I kind of transferred my
money to direct brokers. back then it was 2019 I guess but like when
I kind of saw all the stocks in US moving a lot you know like 100%
200% like what is this like I never saw this before
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you know and then one day I decided like I just I went to
Trading View you know like and I filtered like the 99% down stock
like let me get any one of these that it like because there was one
one thing that is called asmmetric risk right and small caps in a
eight they have a huge asymmetric risks we were talking before about
bioteex right so if you get one right you can get 200 200% but how
much is it can go down it's already on zero you know like there
is a chance that it get listed but the asymmetric risk is insane so
I for one like I was so lucky that the
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day that I start decided to buy long any stock on the small
cap world I bought it I I'll never forget it it PETZ. I bought
it like five minutes before the close and it was like $1,000, right?
So, I bought it and I like 10 minutes later when the after hours
started, it was running 200%. running 200%. running 200%. I
don't know why, but it was so like what? I just made $2,000
like without even knowing I was making it this this kind of money
because I don't know even why I didn't I opened my my web
uh system again because the market was closed for me. I didn't
know he even had what
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after I was trading you know how how newbie I was back then
and then I kind of clicks that I said look I got to I got to
understand this right so I as many of the guys here I went to I
found Timi sypes I bought his mentor like the the challenge and
that's where everything began like it be it became pretty much
like trading longs long OTC's OTC's OTC's and uh this
is 2020 21. Okay. And since 2021 until now there there like a lot of
things happened. First the OTC's died. So pretty much I stopped
it longing and I kind of understood that I had to find a way to
short. But
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while shorting [snorts] you have a lot of things that you had
to learn. First risk management it's key. But as a beginner
trader in the US market you don't know how much the stock will
up. If you see a stock running 100%, you you will never think that
you could get 200 20 300%. If you don't live the market, right?
Because you you you don't come back to shards like 95 stocks
that went 200 200%. You got to live. All right? You got to see it.
You got to have screen time. So, what happened? Uh the first huge
quiz was Dwak, was Dwak, was Dwak, which is DJ, right? All right.
>> That was insane.
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I kind of like had a two maybe 10% of my whole account was
like loss on that and I got scared but I still got understood that
there was like a lot of hedge know because I I was trading pretty
well like my my winning percentage rate was always insane but I took
big losses right and uh and it kind of kept me the whole big winning
small when losing big for a long time so pretty much I went through
through a lot of squeezes is some of them I will never forget. Some
of them I had to had to had to I don't know like I I I those
situations when you get halted
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up in the sky and you know you don't know exactly what
you freeze right what do I do you know and most of them most of them
I get away I got away nicely right but that's the thing you you
learn on the wrong way right >> and uh I kind of understood
for a lot of reasons that I kind of had to find other paths and one
of the paths that I found was was was uh premarket and after hours.
That was a long time ago. Uh there was like when I met David
Capablanca, we became friends there and we started trading premarket
pretty much. And back then I was still part-time trading. Okay.
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And you got to understand like cuz I became full-time and now
I came back part-time. But uh pretty much back then I was making a
good chunk of money, a lot of money and and in a point that I kind
of made the decision like I'm making more money trading in two
hours than made my actual job like and I had like personal issues
and and that kind of stuff. So I kind of decided okay let's I
don't know let's let's go full-time and and try to
live in this right. So that's when I became full-time and the
struggles of becoming full-time came together, right? Which are I
know like having to pay your bills
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with with trading. You have to withdraw money while your
money is there to be grown, right? And um there was a moment like
that I kind of decided to bro uh I'm living my dream right as
trading full-time making money why do I not I don't know travel
so that's like way you already know the story but I traveled 27
countries in two years right I went to Asia Oceania Europe stayed
there for two years traveling the whole world so it was an amazing
exper experience. I kind of I could I was I I was able to to to pay
the whole trip and live this two years without losing money because
I kind of
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made at least the same amount of money or even more that what
I spent. But it's not easy. What I mean it's not easy is
that everything worked until it didn't, right? And when it when
I started having actual huge squeezes that got me into the position
that I had to stop, but I didn't want to stop and I kind of I
almost blew up my account. I decided that like everything that made
me not stop was related to not having another source of income
because if I stopped the trade, I would probably my risk water was
terrible back then. So there was a lot of things that changed and uh
to to to to
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where I am right now a lot of things and uh most of them was
related as we were speaking before risk management and understanding
where or which session I'm good at and that's where KEFO
comes in exactly that moment and that's pretty much because
I've been using KFO since my whole my journey began like three
years four years ago, but I was more like competing, you know,
because you're on the leader board. You want to see you growing
how how how far I am from the first ones. And back then, I was like,
I gotta be honest, with less than 100K, I was probably one of the
top 100. Why? Because Skinfo was still beginning.
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There was not that much people on the leaderboard back then.
So, I was, yeah, I'm a great trader. I'm in the best one,
top 100. But then like green kingfo became like huge how it is right
now and a lot of good traders and more traders are getting there and
being there and you understand no there is a lot of thing to learn
still but that's the moment like it was end of last year I took
a huge loss uh on on on drug now drug was one of them but I took
like some losses along the way my 2024 was uh it it was sideways is
even like negative some way somehow. So if
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you see my curve and probably you can not sure if you want to
share it but >> that we'll sort through in a minute.
We'll we'll we'll bring it up and you can talk
through it. >> Yeah. But that was like the everything where
everything clipped because I kind of had to understand a lot of
things about myself. Okay. And that's a re a huge part of
trading because trading it's it's how you deal with your
own self or your own emotions and in and not only in trading but in
life in general right so 2024 even though it was an year that I lost
money it was like a introspective dash uh self-nowledge year
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I was in living in Portugal and tra traveling still but I was
like f study philosophy I was doing a lot of things besides trading.
That was my more culture. I I don't know. I understand exactly
what's my next steps in life. And uh back then I would say that
I wasn't taking trading the way I supposed to. Like it it was
more like I'm loving what I'm doing. I'm making
money. But I always had the feeling and that's terrible. Okay.
I'm not saying that I was right. I'm here to be verbal and
and honest. I always had the feeling that the next day could be the
day that I would blow up. >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Why? Because my risk
manual was terrible. I was making $100 to lose 5,000. Like
that's terrible. Terrible, you know. And uh there was one day
that and I'll never forget it. There was a stock called LPA. It
was like a Costa Rican IPO that I shorted at 300 like $30. $30 and
it went to 600. And that moment, man, every time I remember that
moment, like right now I'm feeling emotionally about that
moment because that moment it was the worst moment that I'm
ashamed in terms of my career. But I'm here to be transparent
that everybody has the right to be learning the wrong the worst way.
Everybody has the
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right, but you got to learn. That's the thing, you know.
So I I was lucky enough to survive, but I had that moment on the
trading that I kind of closed my computer and I hoped for the best
because I it was halting after halting and I overnight it closed at
600 but pre-market it open in 400 and it went down to 100. So, I
still took a huge loss, but it was going to blow up my both accounts
because that was another mistake that I made. I shorted on two my my
two accounts. So, I was pretty much ending my career back then. So,
that was the wakeup call, you know, even the wakeup
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call to understand what I wanted to do my life. So, I came
back to Brazil. So, I kind of okay, I lit the dream of trading and
traveling. Now I'm going to organize my life to make sure I can
fit trading in the way that I can grind and grow up as a trader on a
professional way. And uh I was enjoying trading before. Now I was
like no now I gota I got to get I want to get to the next level and
and to do this you gota you got to organize your life. You cannot be
trading and and pretty much like hoping that you're going to
get a million, right? You got
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to get a me become a millionaire. You got to understand that
you have to as that that combines everything from what you're
your journey as well right you got to you got to like have
discipline you got to have you got to work on health you got to work
on mind everything and on my side there was the problem of not
having another source of income and that's where black arrow
like we're going to talk about black arrow that's where
black arrow comes in but it's pretty much like it it That was
pretty much the moment that I had to reorganize my whole life to go
to the next step and I'm like I'm here
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in the best moment because I made the right choice and
I'm seeing it paying off, you know. So yeah, that's it
pretty much. pretty much. pretty much. >> Oh, but I mean I
think it's funny. I see a lot of sim simil similarities in your
journey as I do in mine because we both made about 100,000. We both
went away to to be full-time traders. We're both you I took 40
50,000 of losses. I think you sustained yourself. both went into
jobs that kind of interlin in some way as well. So, it's been a
a a crazy a crazy path. But I think the most important thing that I
hear from your story, and we'll
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bring up your profit chart in a second, is that it's
like you learned how to be a professional trader and you were like
more having fun in the past, but like this time you're like,
"No, no, I'm going to do this. I'm going to be Anyone
can make a mistake and blow up at any time." Like, I'm not
saying it can't happen. anyone can take an outsized loss, but
it sounds like the difference is is you've gone back and been
professional about it and you're like, "Okay, look,
I've messed around. I've been on holiday now. Now I need
to really take it seriously." And and like and I speak to a lot
of guys in
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the like the top top guys that I speak to when they say,
"Okay, I'm going to have a trading room, but I don't
want anyone to make jokes in it. I don't want anyone to say any
silly things in the room. I don't want anyone I remember
hearing David Caplanc actually say, "I don't want anyone
being self-deprecating." I've had other traders say,
"I don't want to really make jokes." Like, this is
not a room. This is not a place to make jokes. This is a place to
take trading seriously because it's a really risky game. So,
you need to be really serious. And I don't know, like for me, I
had the problem of seeing
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people on Wall Street doing cocaine and drinking and
thinking, "Yeah, these traders are doing cocaine and drinking.
Why Why can't I at least just have some drinks? I don't
have to do the cocaine, but why can't I have a bottle of
wine?" And and I remember when I was full-time trading and I
was up about 100 grand, I'd be five grand down on a trade
shortening, same as you. And I think, you know what I'm going
to do? I'm going to walk to the corner shop. I'm going to
buy a bottle of wine and four beers, and I'm just going to
I'm just going to see this one through with some with some
drinks. >>
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Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And uh in in my
head, it was all possibly going to be okay, but the dream could be
over at any moment. I knew as well, just the same. I was like, I
could blow up tomorrow. Every morning I'd wake up and think I
ga blow up tomorrow. >> Yeah. And it's just like in the
end like I've totally like I've been sober for nine months
and me discipline is completely different and me results are better.
Your results are better. And it's uh it's uh it's uh
it's hard to say it's hard to say like just be
professional about it. You need to learn it, right? >> Yeah.
>>
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Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You have to live it right. And
uh and that was the moment. And uh so basically my biggest struggle
in in in trading it was sizing up because you can see like now that
you're showing the screen right you can see that my whole path
from zero until the moment that kind of the the the the draw down
started which was April 2024 April 2024 April 2024 March there right
that was my peak but you can see how kind of it was a linear growth
compared to where it is now, right? right? right? >> Is this
all shortened? All shortened stocks you you picked up. >>
Yeah, like probably most >>
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probably I don't know by maybe the first four months it
was longing OTC's. >> You are making money doing that. So
you were were were >> I did you long made a lot good like for
for me it was a good amount of money but not compared to what
I'm like doing or or did along the way. But like the whole
growth that you can see like from June uh 2002 until the March 24
like whole the whole 2023 I was I was backpacking in Asia. So, I did
pretty well. But the thing is now I I kind of that that was the
moment that I kind of understand I was only trading premarket, you
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know, because premarket was uh was uh was uh >> 5 6
p.m. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> In Asia,
I know, >> you know. So, that was the perfect moment. I was
trading premarket. Sometimes even at 6:00 a.m. when I had like a
wake up early. But like besides that, it was traveling and even
partying a lot. But I kind of did well pre pretty much. But when I
started to become full-time on 2024, I had like one or two even
three nice months and after that it was just terrible. Like I I got
scared to be honest because when I had that huge moment I kind of
cuz the problem is I
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was I was you you can see that the line the light the whole
P&L line that reurb it's kind of linear. Why? Because I was
never ever made able to size up ever. I was still trading for three
years with the same amount of capital and like sometimes 2x but
never like the size that I'm trading right now. I was I was
scared of this the the the squeezes how much money I could lose
because I didn't have a specific point or place that I would
stop my position. I was always stopping my position in a moneywise
uh risk level, which means that like I I was okay to make $100, but
I was also
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okay to lose 500, sorry, 5,000. So when you see the the like
the the the curve again on the end where I am right now, I'm
like it's a different game. And that's where like I want
to share how important Kinfo was on this because Kinfo was the one
that showed me all the stats to understand what was the main uh
hours of the day that I I was profitable, right? uh my pretty much
like I had like a 95 percentage rate with even any big losses along
the way on pre-market and after hours especially after hours right
but what happened what happened was um I I came back to Brazil at
that moment I
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kind of reorganized okay now I have a steady job when do I
trade but in Brazil that's a nice thing because you're
here in the same time zone so you do you know that the market closes
at 6:00 p.m. in Brazil regular hours and ex exactly the moment when
my job is done like pretty much my my shift ends and uh I can pretty
much start training after hours and that's what I've been
doing for the last last eight months at least. What happened is pro
in August August August this thing came up as well and that's
that was like one of the big changes in terms of sizing up. I
I'm faster I'm even
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faster to stop and sometimes when I stop the trade I
don't mind coming back in the next five minutes. I I had a
mentality that if I stop at a trade I'm done for the day or
even done with that symbol. But why? like but there is no reason if
you stop you just enter on the wrong timing you you might find the
right timing in 15 minutes again you know so that's pretty much
what uh helping besides that I got to be honest I learned a lot
understanding how Alex de trades you know from mic understanding how
lens there are there is a lot of knowledge uh free knowledge uh on
the YouTube on
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the Infos's podcast and other podcast there are a lot of
informations out there that helps me helping me and should help a
lot of traders no matter where they are on the journey. And that was
the moment when I understood one thing that kind of connects like
it's goes more like on the trading actual trading actual
trading actual uh process which is understanding the the the concept
of the right side of the V you know not sure if you you know what it
is. Les talks about this. Do you know what it is? It's pretty
much understanding that if you short in a position in a place that
is on the front side, you might
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have on the same position once the stock comes back. You
might short exactly on the same position, but it's a completely
different uh EV. It's like expected value. So be quiet because
if you're shorting on the front side, you don't know
exactly where is your stop, right? If you're shorted on the
same level once the stock already came down, you know exactly what
is >> the exact same value but the other side and you've
got to stop. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >>
exactly. And that's such a simple simple v uh like uh idea that
kind of Whoa. That makes a lot of difference because on the first
the the first uh option you're
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like pretty much thinking you know where is the top and the
second one is like okay I'm kind of knowing now where the loans
are trapped as a short seller and might be the what the place that I
should short you know at least try to you know because it don't
matter if you're wrong once you build a position you know
exactly how much you're going to lose because you know exactly
where you're going to stop. That was the main game changer for
me. >> But it's it's such a simple thing, but
sometimes he can be such a simple thing away from such a major
breakthrough. >> Exactly. I have a I have an example
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in my screen I want to show you. >> Yeah. No, bring
bring it up. Like let's because I'm I'm I I was going
to ask you how have you managed to size up so significantly and
manage your risk at the same time, but you've kind of
you've kind of just you've just given the simplest answer
that answers it all. that that's it. So, pretty much what I did
it was like I made $100,000 in three months. Pretty much >> on
the psychology point of view, I can't stress how important it
is to have money coming in. coming in. coming in. >> The best
traders that I've known, I'm not I'm not going to say
all
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of them, but most of them they have a side income some way,
somehow. Even though if it's like real estate something they do
have, you should never be ashamed if it full-time trading, it's
not for you because it's not about being a full-time trader.
It's about being profitable. I was like, I'm a full-time
trader. I'm traveling the world. That that was like what was
what was fulfilling me. It was not the trading making money. It was
the freedom aspect of trading. I'm not a worse trader if I
prefer to be a part-time trader. Everybody wants to be that guy that
it's on Instagram or X that is doing this for a living, right?
And you
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don't know what's behind everybody. Maybe the guy
has a lot of money already. Maybe he has a a side income. Maybe he
has I don't know my a lot of reasons. I had a chance to meet
the guys from NASDAQ. I had a me a chance to meet the guys from NY.
ahead of me like a lot of people on on on the on the the space that
could learn a lot of things a different stuff you know like for
example uh I didn't know that the after hour sorry the power
hour from 3 to 4 p.m. It's only the only time during the whole
day that companies can do buybacks. do buybacks. do buybacks.
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>> I didn't know that either. Yeah. >> You
know, and why baby power hour? It's power hour because of this.
I don't know. Maybe it's just because they want to squeeze
short sellers. But the thing is there are a lot of components inside
of the market that you only learn when you go there, you know, and
you you you're you're you understand the micro structure
of the the market. Uh I've I've been dealing with a lot of
clearing firms right now, right? And one of the clearing firms told
me in a call that they monitor all the short sellers in their
clearing house that are building positions. Why? Because they have a
threshold threshold threshold
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from X amount of money which is pretty much stocks quantity
versus shares size of the positions compared to the market cap. So
if the one specific trader has I don't know the number I
don't remember or even I wouldn't never say as well but x
amount of percentage of the market cap if a if any short seller is
positioned on that specific quantity he's got the the clearing
firm will take the client out of the trade and you know there is a
lot of times I can show you even like M SMX, which is a crazy crazy
crazy uh China runner from this week that it's it's
probably one of I'm giving you a call
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right now. Not giving a call, but it's bring it up.
Bring it up. >> Like it's a it's one of the main uh
black swans from the last week. SMX I'm going to show you on
the screen, but it's probably going to be one of the best
trades for the next week. It's going to have a red day and
it's going to crack like huge, but it's still trapping
shorts. But the thing is I'm not sure if it's that's
the case but specific stock but the clearing firm takes the client
out the trade and there are a lot of moment and after hours that the
stock is running 300 400% of the day and all
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of a sudden it closes close to the max of the day and the
stock does this boom which is you can see that the chart is only
aggression which is pretty much the client being taken out of the
trade. So that specific trade, I love it because I know that this is
not a real trade. It's pretty much inefficiency of the market,
inefficiency of a of a low floor, right? And this is usually coming
back usually never we never know it's 100%. But that's one
of the trades that kind of became my a setup inside after hours
because I know if like the the edges on my side, you know, and um
even though I
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still use the right side of the V to make to make the entry,
I do it with double triple size because I know that especially if
the float is not that low, for example, SM SMX X I kind of traded it
but I traded with scary it was scary move but because it was very
low flow but sometimes there are biotechs that run like 500% in a
day and that happens again and now it's a nice setup you know
so that kind of information that's exactly like I'm
working with something that kind of helps me become a better trader
which is lovely you know so yeah that's that's where I am
right now this is
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my license of black arrow. I'm only connected to Zimra
right now and we should go uh probably when this goes live it will
be already live on S trader as well and we have like way more
brokers that we are you want to connect we are speaking with this so
you can either see like pre-market risers you can see after hours uh
rises and fallers so it's it's a pretty nice tool that we
are working on and like I even can show about the the AI feature
that we have like you can basically code you can do a lot of things
right here right this is like after hours but this is like there was
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last last session was Thanksgiving session so it was not
actual like after hours so it's kind of messed up right in
terms of the the timing but this is a spec like this is a move from
after hours trade right this is pretty much what stock was going up
right here and you can see this was WB U W buy we buy. So right here
I could short right here but this moment especially after you see
that is a lot of people like look at this. This is nice as well. You
can see how much percentage it goes down right? You can see that
right now the long the long guys they saw uh they
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they were expecting this to to skyrocket right. So what
happens is there was a lot of down movement here that kind of made
all the short sellers get scared right here and I I was pretty much
building the position right here enjoy enjoying this hike this like
spike and that was my my clear stop right. So right here I would
cover my positions if I had I had I had like this. So this one I
shorted right here and I cover probably on this crack. Didn't
hold and shoot the view up and right here. I I think this is the
best expected value right here. It's not on the first bounce on
the second bounce
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with lower lows, lower highs, right? So you can that you can
see right here this happening right there is this movement happening
right here. So basically you can see that after the first top first
top first top that is the that is lower than this one that the last
one right you kind of understand that the buyers are kind of scary
right now. So to be honest the best expected value was here. Why?
because it's almost on the same place almost not the same but
it's you can first you can trace a trend line you already know
that will be people trading and and start shorting right here right
so pretty much you could enter
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right especially right here and you can you could stop here
or adds with here as well >> are are you taking the first or
the second once because you get that first lower high are you taking
the first lower high or the second lower high? >> I trained
both in terms of risk. This was this is riskier than this. >>
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, this is what
even Alexis talks about this. So, pretty much when you're
shorting a uh exponential move, right, you're always trying to
find the backside. backside. backside. Um the idea here is how do
you find a place that the expected value is more on your favor. So
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here the movement could continue to go up right it was going
up right here. So there was a lot of shorts of shorts of shorts that
were uh right there there like right here was the breakout right. So
pretty much everybody stopped right here though. So this was a stop
movement, right? So after this it could continue right there, right?
It could continue to to explode even though and that's another
part of my whole strategy. I would say that I'm six I was 80% I
was back like from the beginning I was 80% fundamental 20% technical
right. So, but when I was 80% fundamental to 20% technical, what
happened was I was always focusing on
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the fundamentals which means that even though I was getting
squeezed, I was expecting that was right and it it would it would
come out come down eventually, right? Because I was right. I know
that the pl the stock was not supposed what it was right now. But
now I kind of said that the the the the balance should be at least
60% like 40% technical. So I'm still shorting shorting shorting
stocks that know doesn't have any news or if it does have news
I'm go with I go with small size. I'm going with probably
I'm probably going to be trading only here. So this was one
example that I traded here and here. Why here?
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because I made this move. I already got like some of this
move. And that's another topic that I want to mention which is
and that's another thing that I'm kind of proud of because
for the first time in my life I'm being able to to add to
winners and that's in and I now I can give you a perfect
example. So what it means add to winners in my specific case. Some
people might have a different opinion but for me is I got this move.
I have have have already cushion here because I made money. I have
some money to risk. And when the stock comes right here, my average
is right here, right? Or
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maybe closer to the same place because of course I
didn't get the average price for this move exactly right here,
right? But I was able to short on the same place again, even even
lower. So I was reducing my my average price but I was keeping the
same risk even with even big size. Why? Because I knew that if I
stop right here I was going to lose only the money that I already
made on the first move. >> And remember it looks nice but when
you trade with this it gets simpler. you understand how easy it is
to make in ins and outs on the trade trading with this and also this
helps me
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a lot with adding liquidity which I make ECN fees on the
trades and I know that Zimra does it sage all the brokers the direct
access brokers they have it which is a huge uh part of the game
black arrow it's the it's a it's the US trading
platform for neoka loka it's the main uh technology provider
for Latin America. We have like five billion clients and 90% of all
uh retail orders that goes to the Brazilian exchange, it goes
through the loka. So pretty much we're talking about a huge
company that I'm kind of helping them to enter in US. So what
it what is amazing about this is it's a trading platform made
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from traders to traders. So I'm kind of helping it to
have all the features that I know that are necessary for a US equity
trader even futures trader we do have uh uh futures integrations as
well. So, so what I'm trying to say is that even anybody
who's listening to this, if you want if you're interested,
uh I if you could like we spoke on this, we I want to leave like a
link for you guys to get a trial, but also get in contact with me to
ask for features to ask for improvements because like the idea here
is to stay for the long game. So whatever we can do to bring new
features
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to improve the quality of the trading experience, we're
going to do it. Yeah. So this is like another example that I want to
show you. It's pretty much the same idea. If you think about
like this move right here, it is after hours as well, right? This
this was a stop that that was going up and uh >> just just
quickly to give it some context. So like Kala like it's like a
I presume it's a beaten down daily. Let's see if it's
float matter. Does the volume matter? Like I guess the news can be
like news like I see stocks being like ah we've just bought
loads of Zcash in the in the stocks
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up on Z that it's bought some crypto and stuff. So like
it could be like no news bogus news or so so so I might have to
search again for the news. So this was running like 50% regular
hours. regular hours. regular hours. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Right. And uh what happened pretty much when
the after hours started it it it came back >> line. Yeah.
>> Right. But there was this huge move. Not huge 14 15%. It it
closed right here. So pretty much we had like a 15 move. This is not
even the best example, but it kind of works the similar uh path in
terms of how you position
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yourself. So you know exactly where the risk it's right
here. So I kind of started building my position after right here,
right in this in this trend line. So I kind of built the whole
position until here and it cracked 17 18% after that, right? And
that you know that this specific trade I almost got stop it if you
can see it because I was using this place as my risk. Right. So this
is one example that was pretty much almost I got stopped on this. I
gota I'm going to get this one. This was really really like a
simple move that if you see this chart, where do you think that the
longs are
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trapped >> or at least at least trapped? >> Yeah,
like the one 165s the 165s they might be thinking I hope this bounce
works. I would be thinking >> but I mean they're
completely they've lost all of the value in the 130s but the
170s there yeah they're starting to think like if this
doesn't continue I'm a bit worried. Exactly. So, so when I
see a hu and that's something that I also learned with Alex
Semis. Uh when you see a huge move like this in two minutes,
it's almost what we call it like a a death candle, right? So,
this is a moment where the guys who are buying expecting this to
continue this
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move up right here, they are scared now. And if I short right
here, I'm in a very good position because I know that I
I'm risking like 5%, 6%, which is not terrible. But if I hold
this and it goes down, I could make like 22 26%. And look at this.
It's a lot of range. The range is insane. If you think about
it, it's 25%. The stock went up from after hours. Okay, this is
this was this was not up during regular hours, but it went up went
up went up 41 45% after after hours with no news. And boom. If you
if you see this red candle, okay, I'm going to prepare myself
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to short because if I short here, I have a ready a a re a
risk limit very very very very close, which means I'm not going
to lose a lot of money. And even I can save some some size to add
around here expecting a double top right as the other one. But
that's pretty much uh the whole size and whole whole whole
whole range for the trade. And that's a that's that's
another topic which is very important which is how fast it is to get
out of the trade. I have like a 100% closed position on the ask plus
X amount of cents which means that like think about it when
you're when you're
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dealing with a loss it's a hard process for your mind
like it it it cost you a lot of energy to do this right but imagine
that you have to go on the screen select your m get your mouse go
there press the number look how many steps steps you have to go to
go through that it would probably make you not do it or if you do it
you're going to do it on the right time wrong timing. So, what
I'm trying to say is that using this, it kind of just I I press
one button with one hand and I'm out. And I I don't care
because if the stock goes up again,
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I might get the two the same 20% move in the future because
if the stock went up from from from 180 to 2.7 right here, I could
do the same trade and the stock would go down even more. Could go
down, right? So that's pretty much the basics of what I do. And
one thing of course I also look for the daily chart. So we like this
is not a good example for a dating chart for here. But I also look
for resistances on the daily chart as well as a place to get
confident to build the position after the crack the same crack that
I was talking about. But that helps as well. And
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the last one that I want to share is SMX, which is not a I
kind of did a trade on this. It's a huge pump and dump that is
going on right now. Like it's it it's it's going from
six 75. It's insane. >> The volume's terrible on it
though. Like that. that. that. >> Yeah. Like that's
horrible thing. I was thinking I haven't seen this one and
it's because of the volume I've missed it. It's not
on me scanner. >> Yeah. Is that 2 million a day? Yeah,
it's not it's it's not that much. And uh so maybe
like here even though I didn't trade like I think the only
trade I made was
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right here. This one cuz sometimes you gota you gota you like
it was a risky trade to be honest because why it it was risky
because the range was insane. So, if I had to stop this trade, what
should I do? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >>
Like 30% it's not it's it's not doable. I don't
want to lose 30% of my position, you know, at all. I want to lose
five 10 max to make 20, you know. So, that's not a that's
not the riskreward that I want. But in terms of understanding where
the pain is, if you see this, it's like a 23% move. And there
is there was actually um right
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here ah I'm thinking on the wrong screen again uh right
here there was like this you know like specific uh support and
resistance level that everybody that like this is kind of what
I'm trying to do right now. I'm trying to see where the
pain is. So when you see this like a lot of people tried to buy
right here on this movement because they were expecting this to
consolidate and continue to go up. So when it cracks, everybody who
bought it along the way is expecting expecting to go down, at least
break even right here, right? So this is at least a good place to
short. But as I said, not this stock. It's
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just trying to bring the the the idea of seeing where the
pain is, right? But as I said, 30%. This is actually is always good
to show a good example of not what not to do, right? It it was a
really nice place because of the pain but not because of the range.
The risk risk reward here was not not good, you know. And know. And
know. And that's the thing. It's pretty much like how you
can uh read the riskreward compared to float through news. It's
it it's like it's not a simple strategy to automate
because it there was a there is a lot of inbetweens that are
definitely uh discretionary but that's what
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I'm doing and I've been very successful for the
last five months even like eight months from now >> man like
$100,000 and like we're both in Brazil right like $100,000 is
half a million he eyes like half half a billion he eyes is like
that's a lot of money out here but can I just ask what did did
you start with? >> Get what what number did you start with?
>> I started with >> $6,000. >> $6,000. >>
$6,000. >> 6,000. Cuz so many people ask this because when
when you say you've made $100,000, that there'll be people
a lot of people will say, "Yeah, but if you started with
$500,000 and you made 100,
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it's not very impressive. But if you've done 6,000
to 250,000, that's some like unbelievable trading. It's an
unbelievable ROI. So well well done on that." Like it's
great it's great to know you personally and and and see you
achieve that. But like can you just remind me of the name of the
curve the V curve by Lance? >> It's the right side of the
V. >> The right side of the V because that one that one tip is
going to help so many short sellers or this one tip will help so
many short sellers and like the episode is worth that alone. like
you you me and but but and I think we've covered so
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many amazing things because it's like it's like
it's like you've like you've almost got to be willing
to give up everything and like for me you've almost I had to
give up everything to have any shot of successful trading. I had to
just give up all other lifestyle elements to almost live like a monk
but like a gambling trading monk to to like have a shot at success
and I'm still not even there. But I mean for you but for you
you've always been more disciplined than they I think. >>
Yeah. But the thing is man uh it's funny that like I'm
I'm not the one bringing that the knowledge right it's
pretty much screen
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time and that like I I think August there was the aha moment
for me right so that there is I even posted this on next like it
finally clicked. I understood because what I understood I understood
if I go big I'm not gonna blow up my account because I know
exactly where I'm going to stop. I understood uh exactly where
to enter and uh I understood like the part that that part of
understanding who's in pain it's it's only when
you're there you're trading because you trade and you
understand exactly like the in between of every single boop you know
>> like the thing is how how long have you been trading before
that click
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because let like let's be I know you're you're
a smart guy you're an intelligent guy well educated how long
did it take for that to click And this is just a typical example of
trading >> three years. >> Three years. >> The
thing is, of course, that's the thing. It could take le it
could it could have take like way less if I was more focused. I was,
as I said, living the dream, that kind of stuff. But it don't
matter. But it took me three years. And there probably there is
people that trade for like one month, two months, and they give up
because they are they are not profitable, you know. And you
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gota you gota you got to think this is like even chim chimi
says this it's not a spring it's a marathon right and
sometimes along the way you understand and it it it starts all
starts but the last thing is sometimes you can know something like
everyone knows what you've just told them because they've
just listened to it but are you are you ready to hear it like are
you ready to hear that information and I've heard a lot of
information and not been ready not been ready to hear it and not
been ready to take it on board. And same same with you. I'm
sure you've heard basic principles of risk management before.
before.
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before. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >>
But but now is your moment like now is your time your time your time
>> to take it on. And what why do you know why? Do you have
any idea or is it just this is life? >> I know why. Because
now I'm accepting losses because I have a steady income.
>> That's the reason. >> All right. So, it's
that's >> it's it's that simple because before
I was like, I don't I cannot take this loss. It's
it's like worth x amount of days or weeks of trading. Now, like
I don't care. I have my bills covered. Like, I don't care.
It's this is part of
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the game. I'm not I'm trading probabilities.
I'm not trading to be right all the time. And that's the
thing. And like a lot of podcasts like you got to go to KFU and see
all of them. I see it a lot of times like learning how the traders
who trade on the opposite side think. Mighty Stock is a guy who
trades on the long side. I know you tribute him. Like he's a
really good trader as well, but he trades long. And like if you
learn exactly how the opposite side of the move is thinking, you
like, yeah, I I like I know this guy is in pain right now. He's
buying exactly what I'm
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stopping it. Like it's all about flow. Who has more flow
on the market in terms of volume? it it makes them the stock move
and that come backs and we go full circle for the whole interview.
It's coming back from Brad Swiss, right? It's it's
all about flow. >> I think I think we've just covered the
conscious of of trading in this thing. It was a it was a it was a
beautiful conversation. conversation. conversation. >>
I'm loving it. I'm loving it. That's a really really
good moment. I'm leaving like especially like this is like
it's it's it's live with Zentra. It's going to
go live with other brokers in in the future. Yeah. Like
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it's very easy to trade. You can see like I can place
orders real quick. I'm just pressing shift and I can place like
buy. This is not going to work right now because market's
closed. I wish you guys could test it and let me know if you if you
have questions and uh I'm glad to help. I'm just going to
ask you one more. I mean also quite important for a lot of traders
is it's I hope I'm allowed to say this. I don't work
for N logic but like a robot. It's a I know from Zipra side
it's a little bit cheaper than it's a little bit cheaper
than the competitors as well which
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is an important uh thing for traders right >> exactly
yeah from from intro we do have a partnership that we we offer black
arrow one version which is the same black arrow with limited shards
so it's like two shards so it's like $30 for for two
shards but this is like uh $90 so this is like the full unlimited
platform black arrow ultra So it's it's now I I saw that
the the competitors went even up the price. So it's like at
least $50. And uh you're going to get 400 developers working at
at the company to bring new features every single month. And uh
it's a as I said it's pretty much evolving to
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be everything that you guys want and need. And uh count on me
to be the the intermediary to make this happen the most that I can.
No, I love it. And like if you want to like Lupus is a great guy,
good heart wants to help people like a lot of Brazilians. Any final
words for beginners who just want to do what you're doing?
Full-time traders who want to not full-time people in jobs that they
hate. They just want to do what you're doing after after the
ship finishes. finishes. finishes. >> You got to love trading,
you know? Like I I think this as a as a performance at sport, you
know, you gota you
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gota you got to live this. You like I watch podcast every
single day when I go to work and when I come back to work from work
I I see I I see like you get the best traders that are out there.
You I see like Kyle Williams reviews from his mom's trading. I
see like all the guys all the time. I I only got the right side of
the V. All of the sudden I was watching like Lens's video like
ah [snorts] How did I didn't see this before? You know, so that
like you got to you got to I think that to finish it's pretty
much having the growth mentality. Never think you're
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good enough because you're net you you always have space
to improve, you know. And that's not only in trading and
that's what what is beautiful from trading which trading
reflects life itself and the opposite as well like if you're
focusing on evolving it yourself every single day and in all the
aspects your life you got to get you're going to get better on
trading. So it's pretty much that's why I love trading.
It's it's it's a mental game that kind of reflects
how how you are as a person. F focus on learns and focus on getting
consistent, not making money. As you as as we are seeing here, it
took me three years to have
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the confidence to probably see the like the seven figures in
a couple of hopefully months, but maybe one or two years, you know?
So, it's it's like uh it's it's a long-term
game. It's not like I want to get a millionaire uh quick.
It's not it's never going to work like this. It's no
it's maybe if you have the money and the side income to do this
uh even like as a full-time but we're not try find a way to do
it part-time as I'm doing now and uh there is no shame on doing
this part time at all at all. >> We'll end on that. Uh
Lucas Marin, thank you so much for your
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time. Uh excellent episode with really brilliant takeaways.
You're going to help a lot of people.
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experienced the volatility, and then
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come back and made half a million. Like,
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what's what
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happened? Zero DTS were not working for
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me. But if I if I traded even just like
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three or five data expiration options,
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my success rate went up a lot. I'm
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pretty comfortable sharing the strategy.
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One of my main strategies is to Welcome
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to Undiscovered Traders, the podcast
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that focuses on the charts, stats, and
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edge of the latest six going on seven
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figure traders. Today we're talking to
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Zoo. He's up
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$320,000 in the last 12 months, almost
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half a
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million
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lifetime options trader and and
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equities, I believe. How are you?
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Hi. Uh, thanks for having me. I'm I'm
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doing well. Glad to be here. And um tell
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me tell me a little bit about you about
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about yourself, what you feel
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comfortable to to say and also how you
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got into trading and then we'll get into
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your profit chart in a little bit. Yeah.
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Um I started my I initially started
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trading in
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2011. So almost 15 years now. Uh 14 15
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years. And um the first 10 years I was
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pretty much just blowing out
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accounts. Um learning a lot. Uh I had I
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wasn't consistent. I I made some money
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some years, lost some other years, and
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but I was also working a full-time
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job. And I didn't get consistently
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profitable until maybe 2019, 2020.
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And even then it was not really big
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profits um kind of below five figures.
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And I quit my job in finance in 2020 to
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pursue entrepreneurship. I got into
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affiliate marketing and running some
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online businesses. And then I also got
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into crypto and Bitcoin and really dove
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into that uh
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for the better part of 2020 through 2023
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I want to say
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and yeah I I was uh doing a lot in
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there. I was working freelance for some
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crypto startups.
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um there was a lot of funding in that
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space for for VC funding
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and yeah uh did relatively well but you
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know in 2022 if you ever followed crypto
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everything crashed with FTX and Teral
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Luna and
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um you know I I did pretty well the
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first two years and then I would say
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like a good amount of those gains just
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disappeared um after. So, came out
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unscathed. But also, it's it's one of
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those things where, you know, when
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you're trading and stuff, if you make a
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million and you lose a million, you feel
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like you lost a million,
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right?
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And so, I got back to my roots in uh
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trading
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equities. And uh
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what I found
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was that I gained a lot of risk
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tolerance from being in crypto cuz
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you're dealing with like crazy ups and
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downs like triple digit
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percentages. And when I got back into
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stocks, it actually felt kind of boring.
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Um you know, 1% 2% moves. And so I I
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think I because of that I was I started
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being able to like really trade uh
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equities and options with more
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objectivity uh without kind of just
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being scared of every single tick. And
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um yeah, that's that's sort of how I
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uh my a little bit of my my journey.
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Yeah. But uh it's it I mean it's it's
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crazy to me because you've been in the
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market for like 10 plus years. Is it
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going on 15? Going on 15 years. Nothing
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nothing really clicked to the point
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where you could consistently make money.
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Went into crypto, experienced the
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volatility and then come back and made
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half a million. Like what's like what
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what what happened? Like how did you do
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it? Like it it cannot just be the the
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the objectivity. Or is it that you could
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just be completely objective? But like
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what how how did it click this time?
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Yeah, good question.
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Um I think the there there was a lot of
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growth, you know, in the first uh decade
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and um I'm just constantly, you know,
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learning more about myself. I I think a
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lot of it
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uh what clicked for me was
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uh really being able
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to get my psychology down. I think yeah,
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fear is a really bad place to be. That's
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a like it's just a bad um emotion to
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have when you're trading. And uh if you
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can get into a place to trade without
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the fear uh you can uh really uh do some
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damage I think. Um and so actually
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journaling my trading helped a lot
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because it allowed me to really look at
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what I've been doing wrong and really
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face that head on. And I was clearly
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doing a lot of things wrong in the past.
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Yeah. Um, so,
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uh, yeah, honestly, like the the the
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strategies that I employ these days,
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they're not very different from the
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strategies I used to trade with. Uh,
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they're I'm very familiar with these
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strategies because it's been a long
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time. But the main difference is like
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how I'm approaching them methodically
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and also like just
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recognizing
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it different in what environment we're
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in in markets. Yeah. I said being in
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crypto helped me kind of identify
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like like what's the market sentiment
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and
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um I I'll talk a little bit about this
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uh when we get into the strategies but
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um yeah it helps me to like break up the
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years um into sections and um kind of
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figure out what environment I trade well
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in and what when I don't trade well and
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just try to try to optimize for those
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times.
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Yeah, like everything that you're saying
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makes complete sense to me as well
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because I think when you first start
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trading those initial three years, those
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initial few years, you're so zoomed in
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on like getting it right and getting the
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pattern perfect, but you're so emotional
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all of the time. And then then you find
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a pattern that works and you start
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making money and you're so excited, but
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then the pattern stops working because
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the market conditions change, but you're
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just so you're so emotional that you
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can't you can't react objectively to the
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change because you're just so like, no,
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it has to work. It has to work. It's do
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you know what I mean? No, it the pattern
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doesn't work anymore. What do I do? And
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you panic. But it sounds to me that
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you've just learned to pull back, not
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have the emotions, and then because
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you're not stressed, but when when
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anyone's stressed, they react badly.
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Like if you ever see a cat, a cat when
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it's stressed reacts in the most
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horrible way. And it's it's if you can
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just be objective, you can see things
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more clearly. You can see changes before
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that happened. Cuz how many how many
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traders make 3 months green and then
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then they just lose it all. Like Yeah.
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If you if you traded it without emotion,
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would you have lost it all in the fourth
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month? Or would you have thought, "No,
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the market's changing. I need to do
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something."
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Absolutely.
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Yeah. Sorry. 100%. Because I watch
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traders recaps who make millions of
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dollars and they all do the same thing
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that I was doing. I just couldn't do it.
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which but uh if you want to if you want
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to go into your charts, I'd be curious
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to see um if you can show me your profit
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curve on pinfo and share screen, I'd be
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very curious to talk a little bit
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through uh through your performance. But
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it's it's refreshing for anybody who's
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been trading 5 years, trading 8 years,
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trading 10 years, not made it.
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If it's just the it's just the time it
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takes to mature and not mature, but
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manage your
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emotions. Yeah. Um, let me pull this
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up. There are two big takeaways I I I
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got when
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I got on to Kinfo and actually just
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looked at this and it was
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um, one of them was my portfolio stop
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loss. Uh, what what I call my portfolio
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stop-loss. And,
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uh, just my portfolio stop loss working.
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Um, and it's visually very apparent once
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you look at this chart. So
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that that part of my strategy is if I
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lose 10 to 15 or maximum 20% of my
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portfolio value, I liquidate everything
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and I stop trading altogether. Um,
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doesn't matter why I did it, why it
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happened. I just do that and I stop
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trading for a few days or a couple
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weeks. Yeah.
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And
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um I I wanted to highlight those because
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this last year in July was a pretty
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actually the first time I I really did
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it was uh in April of 2024. And you can
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see I had a big drop off here and it
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just flatlined because I stopped myself
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out. And after that it I proceeded to
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come back with a fresh mind and was able
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to make new highs, right? And then from
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those new highs, I had another big big
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drop and flatlined and I was able to
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come back with a fresh mind again and
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you know almost doubled my profits from
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from the low. And I think this
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was it was really nice to see this
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because it really showed me
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how, you know, if if in my past, as I
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told you, I I would roundtrip a lot of
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my gains. And it's because I didn't have
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this mechanism in place.
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Um, and it it was just such a stark
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um change
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because I kind of look at trading
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as as sport as a sport. I think it's
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very analogous to sports. Um, I really
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like basketball. So, I'll use that as my
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analogy. But, you know, I
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think in sports, you know, they always
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say defense wins games. Defense wins
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champions championships. And in
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trading defense, the way I see it is
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you're trying to protect your capital
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from
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yourself. Like we are our own worst
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enemies a lot of times cuz no one's
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making you lose money, right? There's no
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one like blocking your trades or
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anything. You can do whatever you want.
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But
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um a lot of traders like me in the
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beginning, we come into it without
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defense and we we don't realize that,
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you know, we're actually our own worst
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enemy. It's not the Wall Street
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institutions hunting your stops. It's
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not, you know, some algo trader out
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there, right? Those are not your
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opponents. really you're trying to um
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optimize what you do best uh to make the
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most profit but also protect your
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capital from yourself when you're you're
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not doing well. Um so yeah, I had
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several times where I stopped out here,
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here,
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um
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here. This was a big one. And then, you
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know, each one of those proceeded with
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me just making new highs.
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And yeah, I uh that's one of the key
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takeaways I had from this.
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Um, another key takeaway is
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uh scaling for me. Um when you know when
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my portfolio started going up a lot
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here, scaling kind of became an issue
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for me
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mentally. Uh when you double triple your
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account, it's kind of like do I start
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doubling and tripling my position sizes
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as well. Um, and it, you know, I I'm
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still human, so it's like I know people
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always say like trade based on
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percentages, but it's still hard to see
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like, you know, your portfolio fluctuate
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from hundreds to thousands to tens of
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thousands uh within the days and weeks.
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So,
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um, yeah, this,
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uh, currently I'm, you can see I'm sort
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of in a consolidating
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period. And I think this, the last five
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months, this year, it's really been a
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issue for me trying to get down my my
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scaling.
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um this big loss here in January that I
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took. It was one trade. It was it it was
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one trade in I think
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MSTX and I just went way too large in
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size and I took a big loss. I stopped
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myself out actually kind of too late. I
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think this was more than more than 10%
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of my portfolio maybe.
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Um, and so since then I I've been slowly
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grinding back up. But yeah, I'm kind of
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in that phase of just I'm I'm just
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constantly learning like what where is
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my risk tolerance and getting
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comfortable with with the size. And I've
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got two questions for you. Uh the first
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one
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is like how do you handle how do you
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have the mental strength to do 4 months
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without making any money? Because that's
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that's where a lot of people go wrong.
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They think I'm not making money for a
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few months. It's I'm not I'm not a good
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trader anymore. It doesn't work anymore.
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But then you you're always just behind
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100 100k a month or 100k in a few
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months. So how do you have the
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resilience to to have the faith in your
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system?
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Um good question.
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So before I went full-time, I made sure
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I had a pretty good buffer, you know, in
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our savings. And um I I knew that
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trading isn't going to
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be like every day I make money or every
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month I make money. Um, so there is like
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having the buffer allows me to still
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live a normal life without kind of like
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freaking out about paying
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bills, but
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also I'm I would say I'm pretty
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competitive
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uh in general. So I I play basketball
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and I am pretty competitive there. And
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um there's a part of me
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that for whatever reason uh
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I I just trust that my system's going to
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work. And
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um cuz cuz I think I've proven it enough
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to know that over time it will work. But
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there will be times when I'm going to
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take draw
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downs and
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uh
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I I think I when I look back at my
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trading
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um history, it's most of my draw downs
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are due to mistakes. It's me not
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stopping myself out or it's me using too
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big of a
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size. And so I I I think I just trust
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the strategy because I know it it's a
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strategy that makes makes money. It's
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really
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me. The theme is me just working on
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myself. Yeah. No, 100% understand. And
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we're all I mean, when you think about
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it, we all work on ourselves our entire
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lives. Everyone's quest is to be a
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better version of themsel every day. Uh
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yeah, I don't want to go too deep, but
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like that's how we're built. I mean, as
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humans, that's how we're built because
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if we weren't built always wanting to be
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better, we' just uh get fat and lazy and
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be extinct. So, It's just this is how
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we're built. But can you tell me about
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those like those crazy days? Like that's
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one trade in March. March 13, I think.
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March 13 looks like a crazy trade.
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November 23 went on that run. What what
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what happened there? Like and how did
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you learn this? How did you find your
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edge? What are these trades?
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Yeah. Uh Yi here. Yeah. Like what was
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that? That's one trade. No. Is that an
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options trade? Yeah. Yeah. Um, so this
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was
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SMCI and this was if you remember last
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year SMCI super micro went parabolic.
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Um, and I I was riding the
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momentum and I just bought calls and it
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it was kind of a
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lucky trade because I bought calls on
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like Thursday or Friday and then that
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next week that weekend they announced SM
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they added SMCI to S&P 500 and on Monday
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it it opened um really high and they
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sold us did they I I had
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no
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no I I literally was
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just it it was just a textbook like
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um trade for me um momentum trade for me
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and I would say that that's kind of the
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the case for most of my quote unquote
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home runs. They're mo most of them are
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just textbook trades that I I never
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expect them to be home
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runs. They're they just happen to be
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like a base hit type of normal trade
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that ends up working out really well. Um
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so most of my trading is is just this
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this like grinding higher sort of thing.
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And uh last year, I think the second
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half of the year was just crazy. Uh so
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my normal trades, they just ended up
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performing really well because of the
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election. Um I can kind of go into like
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if you want me to, I can go into these
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bigger ups and downs because I kind of I
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did go back and look at them to see what
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what trades does. Well, absolutely. or
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if you have a couple of charts as well.
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If you can throw a couple of chart, I'm
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just curious like how you trade, how you
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form the thesis, what you're thinking
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about, maybe one example of a pattern or
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something like that cuz like
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Yeah. Okay, let me
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especially with the options side of
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things because uh a lot of people will
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be curious about options because of the
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volatility in them, right? Like uh if
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you' have bought HIMS HMS, you'll know.
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Do you know HIMS? Oh, yeah. Like I I I
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was long I was longing that a while cuz
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I bought that dip a while and I was
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thinking I don't want to cut this. I
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don't want to cut this. And then it it's
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just it looked like it was never going
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to bounce and now it's going to go to
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alltime highs. And you just think how
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like how did that happen? I know. If you
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had calls on that, I wouldn't like to
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think.
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Uh for him, I don't believe I bought
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original line 3583, 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:50.149
calls. I think I bought shares uh for
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that one.
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Uh, hold on one sec.
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Call phrase. What was your thought on
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HIMS? I want to know if it was similar
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original line 3623, 00:20:58.159 --> 00:21:00.310
to mine.
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Um, him when it took that huge drop uh
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in March or April. Yeah. Uh, I I already
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started getting bullish on it, but there
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was the whole tariff stuff happening,
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right?
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And um I for for the most part I'd say
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in April I was trading more shares than
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original line 3687, 00:21:20.080 --> 00:21:22.710
options because or if I did trade
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original line 3695, 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.590
options it was like shorting options. So
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shorting puts or shorting calls against
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my shares because I knew there was going
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to be a lot of volatility with the
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tariff
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um stuff happening. And
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um it's way easier
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to just hold on when you're holding
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shares, right? So
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um so in terms of strategy, I want to
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share
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original line 3783, 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:58.470
maybe two two main strategies that I uh
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employ. One of them is the
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pre-earnings
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rallies. And I
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love this for just buying call options.
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I I think so for options trading, the
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hardest part about it is if you're going
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original line 3839, 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:18.310
to go long options, you need to time it
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correctly, right? because there is an
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expiration there's beta decay and the
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other part is there's IV there's
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volatility component to the options
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pricing so if the volatility drops over
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time your options value will drop over
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time with it even if the stock price
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goes slightly up or sideways right if
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you're buying calls or buying puts you
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need that move up or down to happen
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pretty soon or way way sooner than your
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expiration, right? Yeah. So,
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um I'm pretty comfortable sharing the
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strategy. I I I think people get afraid
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of like sharing strategies because they
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think the edge will go away. But yeah,
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um this is one of those things where I
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don't think the edge will ever like this
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is a phenomenon that I think will always
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happen. Um just due to market greed and
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just how just how hype works uh which is
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something I I I really became in tune
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with hype and like taking advantage of
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original line 4031, 00:23:31.919 --> 00:23:36.149
hype uh when I was in crypto. So there
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are only a few things in the market that
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are certain and one of them
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is earnings. Earnings will always happen
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every quarter, right? And the mag seven
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earnings are the biggest. It's kind of
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like the crescendo of earnings season.
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And so I break up my year of trading
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into basically four parts. It's just all
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based on earnings. So when I think about
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these swing trades that I make, I'm
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always thinking about where are we in
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relation to the previous earnings and
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the earnings coming
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up, right? And one of my main strategies
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is
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to is recognizing
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that the few weeks to a month prior to
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an earnings for MAG 7
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um or a really strong momentum
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stock usually the stock will go
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up. the the magnitude is random, but um
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usually it trends upward into earnings
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because people don't want to be shorting
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it um or they're just getting hyped
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because her previous earnings were
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original line 4239, 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.269
really good. So
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um so for options you have a lot of
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original line 4255, 00:24:58.320 --> 00:25:00.789
benefits when you can kind of when you
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know an earnings is coming because you
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original line 4271, 00:25:03.600 --> 00:25:07.350
can buy the contract that's expiring the
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original line 4279, 00:25:07.360 --> 00:25:08.669
right after
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earnings that protects you on the IV
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side on the volatility side because
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volatility increases as we get closer
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and closer to earnings. Yeah. Um and you
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definitely want to buy the contract
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expiring after earnings. Um and
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then you also get the positive drift um
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component and that increase in
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volatility as time goes by also helps
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original line 4359, 00:25:38.679 --> 00:25:42.190
to offset the theta decay on those
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contracts. So the time value on those
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contracts kind of get offset. Um
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um so yeah by that so the theta the
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theta will always decay the closer you
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get to the earnings right but it's the
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original line 4407, 00:25:57.600 --> 00:25:59.510
implied volatility will increase. Is
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that right? Because it's getting more
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volatile in the runup. So that kind of
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stays flat because one offsets the
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other. Yeah. Exactly. Is that right? Is
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that what you're saying? Yeah. Yeah. It
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makes sense to us. Yeah.
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So, I pretty much just try to take
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original line 4471, 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:14.950
advantage of that fact. And so, if you
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look at like Micros Microsoft used to be
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original line 4487, 00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:20.549
my favorite stock to do this in a pre
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pre- earnings rally trade. Um, but
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lately it has not done it as well, but
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I'm always tracking it.
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And I'll just kind of expand this to
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see. So these boxes that I draw um this
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is the four-week period prior to the
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original line 4543, 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:42.669
earnings calls. Okay.
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So you can tell in the last four
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original line 4559, 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:48.390
earnings it didn't really give me a it
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didn't really give us a good like clear
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pre- earnings rally. So I actually
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original line 4583, 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:55.510
stopped trading Microsoft. But I I want
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to use this as an example because
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um so
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for here like this earnings in January
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2024 you can tell that you know the
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month or two prior to
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uh so earnings is right here and this
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was the move in the last in the prior
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four weeks of earnings but prior to that
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after the previous earnings, um you did
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have a run up, but you also had just
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original line 4671, 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:30.789
like sideways, right? So, if you're
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original line 4679, 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:32.510
going to buy a call and you end up
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original line 4687, 00:27:32.520 --> 00:27:34.909
buying a call
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original line 4695, 00:27:34.919 --> 00:27:37.510
here this entire time when it's
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original line 4703, 00:27:37.520 --> 00:27:38.870
sideways, you're going to be losing
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original line 4711, 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:43.830
money. Yeah. Cuz you don't call the
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original line 4719, 00:27:43.840 --> 00:27:45.190
Sorry, the the theater and the ivy
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together will not not make money. Yeah.
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original line 4735, 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.710
Exactly.
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So, if you want to buy a call, you want
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to get in right around here or around
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original line 4759, 00:27:54.320 --> 00:27:57.149
here. So,
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um this was a good trade. Uh I think
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original line 4775, 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.070
this was part of my
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original line 4783, 00:28:03.080 --> 00:28:06.510
January. Yeah, right. Uh my
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original line 4791, 00:28:06.520 --> 00:28:10.430
January spike up. I was trading those
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earnings and you can tell a right after
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earnings are released. It's just a
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completely random event. Right. Yeah.
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And I I always sell before the actual
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earnings calls cuz there's no point for
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me to participate in anything
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afterwards. It can it can spike up and
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keep going like this. I missed this
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whole thing, but that's just not where
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where my playground is, right? But I'm
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trying to find this is where Sorry. Your
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original line 4887, 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.510
expiration is um your expiration is
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after the earnings but you normally sell
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original line 4903, 00:28:45.919 --> 00:28:49.430
the contracts before correct. All right.
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So do you put the expiration after the
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earnings just because the I the IV will
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be higher or Yeah.
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IV and uh the theta decay also just
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doesn't get as affected. But but you're
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always not going to gamble on the
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earnings even though the expirations are
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there. you
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just I if I'm I will never go long calls
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into earnings. If I do do an actual
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earnings trade and hold it through
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earnings, it'll be probably a short put.
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Yeah. Or I'm holding shares kind of more
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longterm. But yeah, I I never hold
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through earnings. I'm actually usually
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selling uh way before the earnings. So,
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even though the the rally here was
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pretty big, I'm I probably only caught
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half of this.
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Um, and that's good enough for me cuz
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cuz you know in options you have a lot
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of leverage. So, if you just catch like
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even in Microsoft, if you catch like a
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10point move, that's like 100 200% on
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original line 5103, 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.269
the options trade. Yeah. No, no, it
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makes I'm just asking questions for
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people that don't know options. I know
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original line 5127, 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:02.310
options a bit but not I've never traded
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original line 5135, 00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:04.549
them but I'm just thinking but I think
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original line 5143, 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:05.669
everyone can should be able to more or
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less understand it so far but you have
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to set a price a price that it will
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reach for for your option not to expire
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worthless right
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original line 5183, 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.230
sorry can you repeat that sorry uh when
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you when you're making a call is there
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original line 5199, 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:20.389
is there a price it needs to get to
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original line 5207, 00:30:20.399 --> 00:30:21.230
still
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or it's just literally taking the trade
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original line 5223, 00:30:23.760 --> 00:30:26.630
with leverage oh good good question it
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original line 5231, 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.510
it doesn't have to get to like your
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original line 5239, 00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:32.389
strike strike price or anything. Um,
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original line 5247, 00:30:32.399 --> 00:30:33.830
most people who trade earnings, they
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original line 5255, 00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:36.870
don't hold it to maturity or expiration.
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original line 5263, 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:38.710
Uh, usually you're just trading off the
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price of the call. So, if the price of
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the stock goes up, the price of the call
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original line 5287, 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.149
will
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original line 5295, 00:30:46.159 --> 00:30:50.549
uh likewise go up just in a much larger
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percentage because it's uh each one call
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original line 5311, 00:30:53.360 --> 00:30:55.909
option or put option is controlling 100
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original line 5319, 00:30:55.919 --> 00:30:59.310
shares. Yeah. Essentially.
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original line 5327, 00:30:59.320 --> 00:31:02.070
So for Microsoft
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original line 5335, 00:31:02.080 --> 00:31:05.310
uh one call option might be like
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original line 5343, 00:31:05.320 --> 00:31:08.230
$500, right? But yeah, but it's
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controlling 100 shares. So if Microsoft
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itself goes up
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original line 5367, 00:31:13.080 --> 00:31:15.070
$5,
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original line 5375, 00:31:15.080 --> 00:31:18.389
um your your call option is going to go
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up $5, which is $500, and that's 100%
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original line 5391, 00:31:22.679 --> 00:31:25.750
gain. So it's a very basic example. So
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does the strike price matter then? Do
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original line 5407, 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:28.870
you care about the strike price? I'd
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just have to put one in as a formality.
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The strike price does matter and that
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gets into kind of more of the mechanics
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and technical details of options. Um
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original line 5447, 00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:44.710
like if you're buying an option where
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the strike price is above the current
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price, then you're buying an out of the
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original line 5471, 00:31:49.840 --> 00:31:53.509
money Yeah. option. And those generally
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original line 5479, 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:54.870
have give you the biggest percentage
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gains, but they're also the riskiest
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because all options that trade out of
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original line 5503, 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.710
money
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original line 5511, 00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:05.750
um during expiration expire worthless
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original line 5519, 00:32:05.760 --> 00:32:10.230
just at zero, right? So if you're buying
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original line 5527, 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.509
an out of the money option, you are
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original line 5535, 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:17.110
taking a huge bet that
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original line 5543, 00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:19.830
um the the price is going to go up very
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soon, right? It doesn't have to get to
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original line 5559, 00:32:21.919 --> 00:32:24.070
that strike price because it as long as
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it goes up in in like a quick fashion,
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you'll you'll still be able to sell it
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original line 5583, 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:33.350
for a profit. Yeah. But um uh something
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I also track is like options order flows
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and options exposures. And so one of the
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things you can look at to determine
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original line 5615, 00:32:43.600 --> 00:32:45.909
where institutions and like whales are
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original line 5623, 00:32:45.919 --> 00:32:48.310
positioning themselves is if you see a
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original line 5631, 00:32:48.320 --> 00:32:53.750
huge order like 10, 20, $30 million call
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original line 5639, 00:32:53.760 --> 00:32:55.590
option out of the money call option
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original line 5647, 00:32:55.600 --> 00:32:58.950
order on like a stock like Tesla, you
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original line 5655, 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.149
know, somebody is betting big on that
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original line 5663, 00:33:02.159 --> 00:33:05.909
stock moving up cuz if they're doing it
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original line 5671, 00:33:05.919 --> 00:33:08.549
in out of money, they they need that
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original line 5679, 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.149
stock to go up. So,
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um that's usually like when you see big
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original line 5695, 00:33:13.840 --> 00:33:15.909
orders like that,
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um you'll see some you'll see some
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original line 5711, 00:33:18.320 --> 00:33:21.269
movement in the stock. Yeah, I know. No,
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that that all makes sense to us. So,
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you're kind of looking for what the
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original line 5735, 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:25.990
hedge funds are doing to follow them.
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Think that someone's on to a good idea.
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original line 5751, 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.070
They know why. I don't know why, but I
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original line 5759, 00:33:30.080 --> 00:33:31.990
know that they know something, so I
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might follow that. Yeah, exactly.
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original line 5775, 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:39.190
Um, so yeah, that that's an example of
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the of the pre-earnings trades.
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Um,
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original line 5799, 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:49.070
and I'd say one of the things
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that has been important in my m maturity
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or my growth in trading is sort of
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original line 5823, 00:33:55.760 --> 00:33:57.470
recognizing
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original line 5831, 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.509
that different stocks have different
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original line 5839, 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.950
personalities, right? Not every stock
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original line 5847, 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.710
will have a pre-earnings rally like
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original line 5855, 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.069
personality. A lot of them don't care at
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all actually. And and some stocks will
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original line 5871, 00:34:10.560 --> 00:34:13.109
also change over time like Microsoft
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original line 5879, 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.629
doesn't really do it anymore.
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original line 5887, 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.869
Um but
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original line 5895, 00:34:18.879 --> 00:34:20.990
uh a part of my research
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original line 5903, 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.310
is finding stocks that have started to
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original line 5911, 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.790
show that they're going to start doing
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original line 5919, 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.710
it. And
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original line 5927, 00:34:29.720 --> 00:34:32.909
um one of the one of them has been
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Palunteer. Uh I'll kind of show
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Palunteer. So for a while before
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Palunteer didn't really like exhibit
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original line 5959, 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:47.550
that like if you look at even January
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2024, it kind of just went sideways into
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earnings and then it popped up, right?
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And what the more of these you get, the
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more s positive surprises you get, the
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original line 5999, 00:34:56.720 --> 00:34:59.829
more traders start to remember that, oh
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yeah, this is a strong stock or this
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original line 6015, 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.550
stock is making money, right? They're
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original line 6023, 00:35:04.560 --> 00:35:06.630
constantly beating earnings. Same thing
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original line 6031, 00:35:06.640 --> 00:35:08.190
here. It kind of popped
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original line 6039, 00:35:08.200 --> 00:35:11.430
up. And so the last three earnings, we
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original line 6047, 00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.870
saw the pre-earnings rally trade
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original line 6055, 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.190
actually be pretty
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original line 6063, 00:35:16.200 --> 00:35:20.550
good. And so this this past earnings,
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original line 6071, 00:35:20.560 --> 00:35:23.109
that's what I did. I I traded Palunteer
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original line 6079, 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.069
a lot long prior to earnings and it was
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original line 6087, 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.950
a pretty good pretty good run despite
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original line 6095, 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:33.589
the tariff stocks. Yeah, that's was that
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original line 6103, 00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:35.829
that last earnings period before this
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original line 6111, 00:35:35.839 --> 00:35:39.589
one uh I don't know if it was like Q Q4.
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original line 6119, 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:41.270
Yeah. Was that a Was that a gap up on
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original line 6127, 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.990
earnings? It was. was that ah so
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original line 6135, 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.510
whenever you see that gap on earnings I
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original line 6143, 00:35:45.520 --> 00:35:47.349
can imagine the psychology of every
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original line 6151, 00:35:47.359 --> 00:35:48.630
single person on earth who knows about
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original line 6159, 00:35:48.640 --> 00:35:50.150
Pelaton is like I'm going to get in
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original line 6167, 00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:52.270
early for the next
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original line 6175, 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:54.870
one but you're going to and cuz you got
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original line 6183, 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:56.950
a really really nice run you got a
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original line 6191, 00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.870
really nice run at earnings in the next
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original line 6199, 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.470
quarter as a result of the previous
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original line 6207, 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.550
quarter having that gap would you say
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uh sorry can you repeat say the previous
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original line 6223, 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.710
quarter's earnings had a very very nice
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original line 6231, 00:36:10.720 --> 00:36:12.630
gabble because the earnings must have
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original line 6239, 00:36:12.640 --> 00:36:15.670
really good for the market. Do you think
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original line 6247, 00:36:15.680 --> 00:36:18.710
does that create the next rally in the
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original line 6255, 00:36:18.720 --> 00:36:20.790
run-up to the next earnings because
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original line 6263, 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.349
people want to get in on the next move
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original line 6271, 00:36:23.359 --> 00:36:25.190
early?
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original line 6279, 00:36:25.200 --> 00:36:28.069
Yeah, 100%. I I think that's exactly
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original line 6287, 00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.109
what's causing these pre-earnings
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original line 6295, 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.470
rallies is when when you have a company
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original line 6303, 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.550
that's constantly making profits, that's
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original line 6311, 00:36:34.560 --> 00:36:35.870
beating
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original line 6319, 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:39.109
expectations, especially after a dip,
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original line 6327, 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.870
right? I I went from 125 down to down
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original line 6335, 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:44.470
50%.
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original line 6343, 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.109
Right.
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original line 6351, 00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.190
So, and and what I'll say is like
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another reason I focus on earnings is so
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much is
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original line 6375, 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.710
because earnings season has this it's
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original line 6383, 00:36:56.720 --> 00:36:59.829
almost like this magical effect on the
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original line 6391, 00:36:59.839 --> 00:37:02.470
markets where it doesn't really matter
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original line 6399, 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:04.550
what's happening in the world. Just
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original line 6407, 00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:07.910
geopolitical tensions, war, tariffs, all
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that. people, the market just tends to
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original line 6423, 00:37:11.359 --> 00:37:13.270
ignore everything and focus on these
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original line 6431, 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.829
earnings. Um, it's like this little
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original line 6439, 00:37:15.839 --> 00:37:18.069
capsule in the market and and that's the
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original line 6447, 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:21.230
environment I love to trade in.
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Um,
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original line 6463, 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:26.230
and back in February, I actually started
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original line 6471, 00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:28.550
getting short the market because all the
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original line 6479, 00:37:28.560 --> 00:37:30.790
tariff talks were coming. Trump just got
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original line 6487, 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:34.390
in inaugurated and inflation data was
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original line 6495, 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.910
bad. rates seem to not be, you know,
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original line 6503, 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:42.310
lowering. So, but despite all that, the
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market continued to rally halfway
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original line 6519, 00:37:44.240 --> 00:37:47.990
through February and it didn't really
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like if you look at
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um the
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original line 6543, 00:37:51.720 --> 00:37:55.750
S&P, it didn't really drop until after
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original line 6551, 00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.870
the final MAG 7 reported earnings, which
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original line 6559, 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:03.390
was Nvidia. Okay.
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original line 6567, 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.950
Um, if you look
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original line 6575, 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:11.630
at Nvidia, which I think was yeah, like
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March March
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original line 6591, 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.069
27th, March 26th,
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original line 6599, 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:20.390
um, up until then, like the market
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original line 6607, 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.270
didn't really
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original line 6615, 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:27.190
like drop, but after Nvidia reported
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original line 6623, 00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:29.030
earnings, um, that's when like
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original line 6631, 00:38:29.040 --> 00:38:31.750
everything started tanking And I really
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original line 6639, 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.790
do attribute that to the fact that
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original line 6647, 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:36.829
earnings just has this
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original line 6655, 00:38:36.839 --> 00:38:40.150
magic. Um, yeah, I see what you're
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original line 6663, 00:38:40.160 --> 00:38:45.829
saying. Yeah. And yeah, I these gaps I'm
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original line 6671, 00:38:45.839 --> 00:38:48.630
always missing. So I got out obviously
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original line 6679, 00:38:48.640 --> 00:38:51.230
before this gap. I missed
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original line 6687, 00:38:51.240 --> 00:38:53.670
it. But at the same time, it can gap
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original line 6695, 00:38:53.680 --> 00:38:56.990
down, right? Yeah. And
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original line 6703, 00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.829
so, yeah, this is one of my favorite
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original line 6711, 00:38:59.839 --> 00:39:02.069
strategies cuz it's it's much more
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original line 6719, 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.270
predictable to get this run than to try
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original line 6727, 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:07.270
to catch something after earnings. Yeah.
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original line 6735, 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.109
And this is just a single leg option,
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original line 6743, 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:11.270
right? You're not doing any complex
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original line 6751, 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.270
option. It's just a single leg call.
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original line 6759, 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.630
Yeah. Uh it can be calls. It could be
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original line 6767, 00:39:18.640 --> 00:39:21.349
just long shares. uh they have been
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original line 6775, 00:39:21.359 --> 00:39:25.910
trading the leverage ETF shares a lot
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original line 6783, 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.950
more. Um or it could be short puts. So
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original line 6791, 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.550
like like the idea is for me is just in
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original line 6799, 00:39:34.560 --> 00:39:36.390
this period I'm going long in some way
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original line 6807, 00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:37.470
or
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original line 6815, 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.670
fashion, right? Uh is there an ETF every
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original line 6823, 00:39:41.680 --> 00:39:43.430
stock though? Is there an ETF of PLTR
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original line 6831, 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.910
and Tesla and they have ETFs that double
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original line 6839, 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.510
and triple the the volatility for you?
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original line 6847, 00:39:49.520 --> 00:39:52.069
Yeah. Yeah. So, Palunteer has two
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original line 6855, 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:56.790
leveraged long uh it's PLTU.
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original line 6863, 00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.150
Um and then
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original line 6871, 00:39:59.160 --> 00:40:00.910
PTIR.
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original line 6879, 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.270
PTIR is a larger dollar value stock, but
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original line 6887, 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.109
it does have earning uh it has uh
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original line 6895, 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.310
options. PLTU doesn't have options that
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original line 6903, 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.430
trade for it. So,
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original line 6911, 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.870
um I like trading PTIR more cuz if I'm
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original line 6919, 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:18.470
going long the shares, I can at least
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original line 6927, 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.190
sell calls against it if I'm wrong and
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original line 6935, 00:40:21.200 --> 00:40:24.910
CO has a premium on that. But,
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original line 6943, 00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.990
um yeah, so
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original line 6951, 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.230
uh a lot of my trading is that. And the
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original line 6959, 00:40:30.240 --> 00:40:32.710
second strategy is is one that I
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original line 6967, 00:40:32.720 --> 00:40:34.790
actually haven't really employed lately.
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original line 6975, 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:35.870
It's
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original line 6983, 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.109
um it's called a squeeze.
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original line 6991, 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.150
Uh, it's an indicator that I believe
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original line 6999, 00:40:42.160 --> 00:40:44.910
John Carter
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original line 7007, 00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:48.470
developed really early on in my trading
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original line 7015, 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.870
career. I think maybe over 10 years ago,
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original line 7023, 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.069
15 years ago.
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original line 7031, 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:56.230
And the squeeze essentially, it's it's
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original line 7039, 00:40:56.240 --> 00:40:57.790
this indicator
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original line 7047, 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.309
here.
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original line 7055, 00:41:01.319 --> 00:41:04.309
Um, it's essentially, let me see. I
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original line 7063, 00:41:04.319 --> 00:41:06.790
don't think Palenter is a good uh good
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original line 7071, 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:11.190
one for this.
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original line 7079, 00:41:11.200 --> 00:41:12.910
I
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original line 7087, 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.309
believe hood. Yeah.
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original line 7095, 00:41:17.319 --> 00:41:20.710
So the squeeze indicator is trying to
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original line 7103, 00:41:20.720 --> 00:41:25.710
identify times when the stock is
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original line 7111, 00:41:25.720 --> 00:41:29.349
consolidating and the longer. And so
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original line 7119, 00:41:29.359 --> 00:41:33.270
this these red dots here, they're just
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original line 7127, 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:34.710
it's indicating like it's in a
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original line 7135, 00:41:34.720 --> 00:41:36.150
consolidating period. It's in like a
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original line 7143, 00:41:36.160 --> 00:41:38.630
tight range. And this is the best time
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original line 7151, 00:41:38.640 --> 00:41:41.190
to get into the stock. Now, the squeeze
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original line 7159, 00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:42.950
indicator doesn't tell you what
S33-P0896
original line 7167, 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.950
direction it's going to go. It could go
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original line 7175, 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.910
it could break out upwards or downwards,
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original line 7183, 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:53.109
but um I use this a lot to just identify
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original line 7191, 00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.030
times that I want to get in. Um, so
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original line 7199, 00:41:57.040 --> 00:41:58.349
Robin
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original line 7207, 00:41:58.359 --> 00:42:01.750
Hood had kind of a textbook trade here
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original line 7215, 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:03.430
back in December where it just went
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original line 7223, 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.150
sideways and then uh when the squeeze
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original line 7231, 00:42:06.160 --> 00:42:09.309
quote unquote but what he calls fires
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original line 7239, 00:42:09.319 --> 00:42:12.790
um it that's when it breaks out. So when
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original line 7247, 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.589
it turns green that's when it fires and
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original line 7255, 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.589
we had a pretty good move on this one.
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original line 7263, 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:20.069
And this one was paired with a pre-
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original line 7271, 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.870
earnings rally if you can see. Yeah. Uh
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original line 7279, 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.910
um so it's kind of like a confluence of
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original line 7287, 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:27.309
two of my favorite
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original line 7295, 00:42:27.319 --> 00:42:29.150
strategies.
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original line 7303, 00:42:29.160 --> 00:42:32.550
Um and yeah, so Robin Hood is actually
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original line 7311, 00:42:32.560 --> 00:42:35.589
another big candidate lately for these
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original line 7319, 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.910
pre-owning jies. Would you say that is
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original line 7327, 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.710
there much difference you find with uh
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original line 7335, 00:42:40.720 --> 00:42:43.349
trading these pre-minence uh rallies on
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original line 7343, 00:42:43.359 --> 00:42:45.510
options compared to to stock other than
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original line 7351, 00:42:45.520 --> 00:42:47.670
the leverage that you get? Cuz are you
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original line 7359, 00:42:47.680 --> 00:42:49.550
scoring more on the IV
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original line 7367, 00:42:49.560 --> 00:42:52.230
and is it more beneficial? to make more
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original line 7375, 00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:54.790
options than stocks or
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original line 7383, 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.030
Yeah, it's it's hit and miss. I would
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original line 7391, 00:42:57.040 --> 00:43:01.910
say it's it's generally easier to hold
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original line 7399, 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:03.550
on
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original line 7407, 00:43:03.560 --> 00:43:07.109
uh if you're holding shares. Uh with
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original line 7415, 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.349
call options, it's a lot less forgiving.
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original line 7423, 00:43:09.359 --> 00:43:12.390
So, for example, like if you had, let's
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original line 7431, 00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.510
zoom into this. If you kind of saw this
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original line 7439, 00:43:15.520 --> 00:43:18.790
happening, this it broke out, right? If
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original line 7447, 00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:21.670
you bought calls right here like kind of
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original line 7455, 00:43:21.680 --> 00:43:25.030
at a local top and it kind of drops your
S33-P0933
original line 7463, 00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:27.349
option value in this one drop will
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original line 7471, 00:43:27.359 --> 00:43:30.510
probably decrease about
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original line 7479, 00:43:30.520 --> 00:43:32.790
50%. Right? Even though on the chart
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original line 7487, 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:36.150
itself it doesn't look like much. So you
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original line 7495, 00:43:36.160 --> 00:43:38.309
need to be able to stomach those types
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original line 7503, 00:43:38.319 --> 00:43:40.870
of things because it it can come back in
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original line 7511, 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.589
a big way. Right? even this day like it
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original line 7519, 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.910
gapped down and you probably would have
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original line 7527, 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.510
seen a big 50 60% drop in your so if
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original line 7535, 00:43:49.520 --> 00:43:53.109
you're holding shares it's a lot easier
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original line 7543, 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.309
to just hold on for a larger portion of
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original line 7551, 00:43:56.319 --> 00:43:59.349
the of the rally but the there's no
S33-P0945
original line 7559, 00:43:59.359 --> 00:44:02.069
advantage other than managing emotions
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original line 7567, 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.230
uh stocks versus options you don't gain
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original line 7575, 00:44:04.240 --> 00:44:05.910
from another way because I know options
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original line 7583, 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.190
has the different criterias
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original line 7591, 00:44:09.200 --> 00:44:12.069
yeah options it's just more leverage
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original line 7599, 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.150
That's mostly it in terms of profit and
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original line 7607, 00:44:14.160 --> 00:44:16.309
loss.
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original line 7615, 00:44:16.319 --> 00:44:19.349
Um,
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original line 7623, 00:44:19.359 --> 00:44:22.550
yeah, I'd say so. Oh, okay. So, for a
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original line 7631, 00:44:22.560 --> 00:44:24.870
lot of uh equities traders, they can
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original line 7639, 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:26.309
you've you've certainly put me on to
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original line 7647, 00:44:26.319 --> 00:44:28.230
something because I've been um I've been
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original line 7655, 00:44:28.240 --> 00:44:30.790
trading a lot of uh like that that whole
S33-P0958
original line 7663, 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.349
dip that whole dip when Trump did the
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original line 7671, 00:44:33.359 --> 00:44:35.470
tariffs and the trade war
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original line 7679, 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:37.829
like I didn't think America was going to
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original line 7687, 00:44:37.839 --> 00:44:39.670
end forever. So, bought the dip on most
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original line 7695, 00:44:39.680 --> 00:44:42.390
of the Magnificent 7 and on the on the
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original line 7703, 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.790
news of the this is this won't go out
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original line 7711, 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:45.990
the same day, but on the news that
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original line 7719, 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.589
China's just made the trade deal with
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original line 7727, 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.470
the USA and everything up massive like
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original line 7735, 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.550
that that that made me a nice amount of
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original line 7743, 00:44:52.560 --> 00:44:55.750
money today. And I I started doing that,
S33-P0969
original line 7751, 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.190
but I was thinking, okay, well, Trump's
S33-P0970
original line 7759, 00:44:57.200 --> 00:44:58.950
not going to destroy the economy and
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original line 7767, 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:00.710
then rebuild it again. Do you know what
S33-P0972
original line 7775, 00:45:00.720 --> 00:45:02.309
I mean? That's not going to happen more
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original line 7783, 00:45:02.319 --> 00:45:03.990
than once. That's a one-off thing in the
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original line 7791, 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.550
in the lifetime. So thinking how else do
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original line 7799, 00:45:06.560 --> 00:45:08.230
I continue to trade these kinds of
S33-P0976
original line 7807, 00:45:08.240 --> 00:45:10.230
stocks because I work a lot like for you
S33-P0977
original line 7815, 00:45:10.240 --> 00:45:11.670
you I don't know how much free time you
S33-P0978
original line 7823, 00:45:11.680 --> 00:45:12.430
have
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original line 7831, 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.510
but this style of trading will not take
S33-P0980
original line 7839, 00:45:15.520 --> 00:45:18.309
10 hours every day. Right.
S33-P0981
original line 7847, 00:45:18.319 --> 00:45:21.510
Or does it or does it? I don't know. Um
S33-P0982
original line 7855, 00:45:21.520 --> 00:45:24.150
well this is like one of the uh
S33-P0983
original line 7863, 00:45:24.160 --> 00:45:26.470
strategies I do for swing trading. But I
S33-P0984
original line 7871, 00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:30.230
have I do day trade. Yeah. Um, and if I
S33-P0985
original line 7879, 00:45:30.240 --> 00:45:33.190
day trade, it's usually with options and
S33-P0986
original line 7887, 00:45:33.200 --> 00:45:36.950
it's usually with like
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original line 7895, 00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:43.270
uh S&P or or futures um on the on the E-
S33-P0988
original line 7903, 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.510
mini stock uh E- mini taker or
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original line 7911, 00:45:45.520 --> 00:45:48.710
something. Yeah. Oh, that's like a
S33-P0990
original line 7919, 00:45:48.720 --> 00:45:50.390
that's a completely different strategy
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original line 7927, 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.990
though, but which Yeah. So, which is
S33-P0992
original line 7935, 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.870
making it the most money from from the
S33-P0993
original line 7943, 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:00.630
Bannon's place, the futures, the
S33-P0994
original line 7951, 00:46:00.640 --> 00:46:02.870
auctions?
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original line 7959, 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:04.750
It's
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original line 7967, 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.349
definitely options make the majority of
S33-P0997
original line 7975, 00:46:07.359 --> 00:46:10.390
my profits and I'd say the swing trades
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original line 7983, 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.910
make majority of my
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original line 7991, 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.230
profits.
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original line 7999, 00:46:15.240 --> 00:46:17.750
Um, for for a good good amount of time,
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original line 8007, 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.230
I was only trading actually pre-earnings
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original line 8015, 00:46:20.240 --> 00:46:22.230
rallies. Like I would trade the pre-
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original line 8023, 00:46:22.240 --> 00:46:24.470
earnings and then once our earing season
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original line 8031, 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.710
happens, I'm out and I would just stop
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original line 8039, 00:46:26.720 --> 00:46:29.430
trading for two months. Uh this was when
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original line 8047, 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.550
I was in full-time and and then when you
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original line 8055, 00:46:32.560 --> 00:46:34.390
know about a month prior to earnings,
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original line 8063, 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.950
I'd come back and kind of assess, okay,
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original line 8071, 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.190
what do I want to buy? Ride that rally
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original line 8079, 00:46:39.200 --> 00:46:42.630
and then and then get out again. So
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original line 8087, 00:46:42.640 --> 00:46:44.950
yeah, day trading is something I I
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original line 8095, 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:46.950
actually only started doing in like
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original line 8103, 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.150
maybe the last eight months. Wow.
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original line 8111, 00:46:51.160 --> 00:46:54.470
Um, and I'm still sort of getting
S33-P1015
original line 8119, 00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:59.790
getting a hang of it honestly because
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original line 8127, 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.470
I I was trading like zero DTE. Yeah. A
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original line 8135, 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.470
soft, right? And
S33-P1018
original line 8143, 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.069
um it was always just like one contract
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original line 8151, 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.750
at a time though. But um I realized
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original line 8159, 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.069
after like kind of journaling and
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original line 8167, 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:19.190
tracking like which uh like what's
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original line 8175, 00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:21.750
working and what isn't zero DTS were not
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working for me. But if I if I traded
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even just like three or five data
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expiration options, my success rate went
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up a lot um just because I had more time
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and the the value of the option didn't
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didn't go to zero by the end of the day.
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So that's what I started doing. I
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started trading uh
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spy calls and puts um three or five days
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out and that's been working a lot more.
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And
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uh for day trading I use a lot of
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options exposures like gamma exposure,
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delta exposures.
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Um and yeah, that that's it's pretty
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technical with those. Yeah. No. So, I'm
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I'm telling you now after meeting you
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now, it's it's come at a weird time.
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It's like it's funny how these things
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happen. I'm definitely going to look
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into earnings plays more. I work I work
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all the time, so it's like I don't
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really have much time, but definitely
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those earnings plays I'm going to start
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looking into a little bit more. So,
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thank you for sharing that. You you've
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helped one person for for sure, but I'm
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sure you've helped a lot more. But, uh
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final question for me is like how how
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did you get into this? How did you learn
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this? And and how could someone new
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start learning this?
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Um, you mean options or? Yeah, like when
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you talk about the gamma related
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strategies, I mean it sounds crazy to me
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and I don't know many people who are
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teaching it. So, is that from your
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background in finance or
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Yeah, it's um it's something I it took
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me a while to to learn options and like
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options it's a beautiful
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product. Uh the the world of options you
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can get as deep as you want um and as
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like academic as you want. Um, but at
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the same time, if you don't, you're you
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can still like do some damage trading.
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But I've initially learned from John
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Carter, actually, the the guy who
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created this squeeze indicator. This was
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over 10 years ago. And
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um I I paid for the service to just be
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in his trading room and I would just
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watch him um do his thing. And I
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remember like he had this epic trade
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which I think is on YouTube. He had a
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huge like milliondoll day trade on Tesla
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um just with
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options and he was just he just showed
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like how to use the squeeze indicator
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and relation and like all that. So I
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learned a lot of options trading from
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him.
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I learned a lot from Tasty Trade. Uh,
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Tasty Chicken is a big think tank in the
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options trading world. They do a lot of
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research
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uh that they give for free just on their
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website and YouTube. So, I highly
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recommend that.
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Um, I will say that most options
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traders like me, they get into it just
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wanting to buy calls and puts because
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you see those 100,000% gains and you're
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like, I want that, right? You're you're
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kind of like getting this penny stock
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sort of behavior for a stock like
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Microsoft, right?
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But um it's really important to
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recognize like Tasty Trade calls it
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probability of profit. And when you're
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buying a call, the probability of that
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option being profitable is not it's not
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50/50 like it is with buying shares.
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Like it's it's not just price goes up in
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the stock, your option goes up because
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if it doesn't go up fast enough, your
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option actually just loses value. So,
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the only way to earn money trading long
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calls is you need the stock to go up and
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go up
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quick. That ends up giving you like a
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probability of profit of like 30%. if
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you're going long calls. But if you're
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going short, if you're going to like
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short
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options, the probability of those
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uh being profitable is much higher
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because you can make money if the stock
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goes sideways
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um goes up or even goes slightly against
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you. You can still like as long as it
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stays above your above or below your
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strike price, you can still make money.
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uh you just kind of cap
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your uh max profit
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potential. But uh even though I I I said
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I I go long calls, um a lot of my
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profits just daytoday it's it's just
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short options. I'm I'm shorting to
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collect some premium. And when I looked
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back at my
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2024 performance,
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um, a huge I I'd say like 40% of my
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profits were just shorting options. Um,
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shorting puts or shorting calls. And
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that it's it's not really going to like
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show, you know, those huge spikes. Yeah.
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Yeah, but like when you see me grinding
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higher and higher, it's usually cuz I'm
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shorting options and that kind of gives
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you an edge in in options trading. But
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um
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the
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[Music]
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the downside to shorting options is you
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need more capital to do
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it. Um so it's not like just buying a
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$500 call for Microsoft. you actually if
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you're shorting a put on Microsoft, you
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need like a lot of money, a lot of cash
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to like cover the 100 shares, potential
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massive loss. Yeah. No, it's it's it's
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funny with options. It seems like it's I
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suppose you can short for premium to
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pick up small amounts of money because
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most won't move and then you're looking
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for that needle in the haststack where
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you think that that's going to be the
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one that can go and then that brings
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back to him at the end. hims and his um
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that was one of those stocks where you
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thought it's a matter of days or weeks
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before this has a bounce. Um and then
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and and I don't know how well you look
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into the stocks, but I remember it lost
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its partner. It was through a loophole
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selling the GLP1
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Mhm. drug. Through a loophole, it was
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selling the obesity drug, but then the
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loophole closed. So obviously it was
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going to get a it was a matter of time
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until it got another supplier like a we
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go or an ompic or a I forgot the names
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of the other
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ones. So like would that be the type of
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stuff you take a call for like waiting
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for the news but you don't know when the
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news is going to come or
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um it it's better to just wait yeah that
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that in that scenario
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um I would not I would not buy calls
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before the news I will sorry
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um generally if I'm buying calls I'm
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buying into momentum. So, I'm not buying
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reversals. Reversals
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are really good for selling puts
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um or like buying
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shares. Uh but you will get killed in
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the chop if you're just going long calls
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because it's just you you have no idea
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when it's going to move, right? Um,
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generally it's after like it's already
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made some made some move and it broke
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out above some local high that I'll I'll
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buy into that momentum. Um,
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so yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much it.
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No, it's been a it's been a really
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interesting uh chat with you. I
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think I think we haven't really had any
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options trade as honor or people
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explaining options related strategy. So,
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I think this will have its own little
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place on being very valuable to the
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community. So, uh I app I really
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appreciate your time. Thought I thought
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your insights were fantastic. Um any
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final words to close out?
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Um yeah, no, I I really appreciate uh
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this opportunity. Uh, I I love what
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they're doing at Kinfo and actually I
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I've watched many of the interviews of
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the previous traders and um it's really
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interesting to like see what other
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people trade and how they trade and like
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there's so many different ways to like
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profit in this market. And um I do want
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to shout out like uh one of one of my
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favorite interviews you had recently was
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Rob Booker. Yeah. Um, and I resonated
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with him a lot because he was talking
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about how like if you're looking at a
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successful trader, look at how they lose
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money. Um, yeah. Not not how they make
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their big wins, but like how do they
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lose because the biggest part about it
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like longevity in trading is to not give
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it all back, right? And that's pretty
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much the story of my journey.
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just uh just don't give it all back. No,
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but uh Rob Robo is a really really cool
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guy and really really great guy to have
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on. Yeah, but the the best thing that I
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like about these and I think what makes
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this different to the what I see on I
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say these numbers on the podcast are
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going up as well. So more people are
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starting to watch. But I think the
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reason it has an appeal is because you
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know for a fact that the person saying
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what he's trading and how much money
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he's making is real. So you're gonna add
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you can judge for yourself and give
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weight to how much do you want to
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believe this guy's advice based on how
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much you find success in his track
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record and how stable his track record
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is. So someone's been trading for 5
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years and they've made x amount of
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money. You know that that's not it's not
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luck because over five years they've
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successfully made that much money. But
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if so, if if you've got a trader who's
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made
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$200,000, but they've only done it in
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six months, you're like, "Oh, well, and
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it's just like that, you're like, "Oh,
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well, this this guy could very quickly
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lose that money." So, look, he's
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verified, so he's worth speaking to, but
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but the the the person listening can
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make the judgment on how much weight
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they want to give to that person's
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advice based on the profit chart and and
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how long they did it for and how long
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they've been profitable for. So, it's
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it's really good. Yeah, it's great. I I
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don't know anyone else kind of doing
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this in the market like in the in the
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journaling realm. Um so really cool. No,
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thank you. Really really appreciate it.
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Really really appreciate your time.
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Thank you for being transparent and uh
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I'll see you again. All right. Thank
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you.
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this episode of Undiscovered Traders podcast, Jonk87 sits down with
Naoufel, an algorithmic trader who’s pulled in $240K in verified
profits. Originally from Morocco and now based in Canada, Naoufel
opens up about his path from the basics to overcoming emotional
challenges through algorithmic strategies. He shares the advantages
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welcome to undiscovered Traders today we're talking to
nowel even if you're 40% right most of the time you will still
make money H he is up near the quarter of a million more can I have
your algorithm so can I give you like $10 a month for it or $15 a
month or it it's not it's not it's not for welcome to
undiscovered Traders the podcast that focuses on the charts stats
and Edge of the latest six figure verified traders who have not been
interviewed before today we're talking to nowel originally from
is it Morocco yes but now in Montreal Canada H he is up near the
quarter of a million Mark we're going to
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go through his his profit curve some stats and an insight
into his uh algorithmic style which is really interesting we
don't get too many but first how are you how's the life of
a full-time Trader in Canada I'm good thanks for asking stepen
and first of all thanks for having me um yeah I'm in Canada as
you know um have a winter pretty rough so we're gonna start
there so I'm gonna present myself um I was born and raised in
cablanca city in Morocco and at the age of 13 my family immigrated
in Canada so I've been trading algorithmically since 2013
fulltime so my journey started with a deep passion with financial
Market but I
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quickly realized that emotion often Cloud the decision Mak
making that's when I turned to algorithmic trading where I
could build system to automate my strategy removing the emotional
component and make data driven decision uh also another way why I
choose algorithmic trading is because like many other um I've
tried chat room follow Trader account you know subscribe to trading
signal and as you know most of them didn't deliver and uh I
eventually came across a website that audit Financial gurus and it
asked them to provide financial statement and or tax document to
provide to prove the trade with their real money and the only one
who could prove their track record will were algorithmic Trader
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uh from then on my algo Journey algo Journey algo Journey
started um so yeah I I trade mainly breakout um I don't know if
you're familiar between between breakout or me reversion
breakout algo tend to have low winning rate so you have around 40%
success ratees so that may sound counterintuitive but you can be
profitable even if you have 40% success rate the key here is to have
um nice win to loss ratio so if you risk 100 you need to make 200
even if you you're 40% right most of the time you will still
make money let's have a quick look at your uh profit chart just
to see how you're doing I'm curious
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how you how you literally started to learn this this entire
thing but I I absolutely understand the the 40% win rate when
you're picking up 2 to1 3 to one as a as a former short seller
I used to have um or still a short seller I used to Bost an 80% win
rate but then I would lose all of the money that I'd gained in
a single day so on the one that went wrong so I we we know we we
we're all familiar with the with the the risk reward Concepts
but yeah if you want to just share screen we'll bring up uh
we'll take a look at your k for nice yeah
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so is this your this is your algorithmic account so um this
is my year-to dat profit I can remove um you know the the date this
is one account so I have multiple account but for the sake of
transparency I've connected this one uh so as you see the
tracking start in late 2018 start 2019 in now you can see my Equity
chart is a little bit uh Wiggly you know um not like the the short
seller it's pretty smooth after that you see a big loss um you
know it's a different style uh but you know with break out like
like I said you have 4 it's a real TR it's a stable stable
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yeah stable but you know a little bit Wiggly because when you
have a 40% success rate you all always have you know a losing stct
so you may have 15 20 trade in a row that are losing so that's
why you see this you know small drop down after that you see a big
win so this is the reality behind it um so um with gamef what I like
with it so you can identify the symbol that you are profitable so me
as an analo Trader I always want to see uh which uh you know asset
is performing more than the other one and um you know here you can
see this is my year
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today profit but only stocks because in this account I I also
trade future option with the help of algo signal algo signal algo
signal so um here I'm showing only stocks because the future
Ops option side is a little bit more complicated for the sake of
simplicity so here you see this is my pnl for this year on this
around 73k per for this year and you can see also that with k for is
nice you can see your top P symbol you can see here that algo made a
lot of money on Nvidia Apple shop TMF it's the 3x ETF treasury
bond Netflix Amazon and you can also see my bottom symbol
that's I'm
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not performing so well so for me as an algo Trader I always
say that it's it's like a soccer match you always want to
keep your A+ player on the field and remove the less performing one
so it's easier for me to um identify with the help of kinfo and
uh yeah so so far we knock on wood it will continue like that with
next year um yeah so this is my you can see stocks you can see
future but overall this is year to date uh uh profit and this is all
the profit for this account on since uh the late 2018 no it's
amazing how you uh it's amazing how you've you've
linked
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that's kall Pro for those that don't know you can
there's a free month trial if anyone wants to take it it's
free to anyone who's got an account um but it's amazing
how you you use kall and you use the data in line with your
algorithm with the analogy of a a football player and I mean
that's that's really how you think about it right
it's like the these stocks are performing really well with the
algorithm I'm going to keep them on I can add more to the
position size these ones aren't something wrong I need to look
into the data is that how it is mostly exactly 100% you kind of
rebalance you know
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you see the good performing one you put more money onto it
and the bad one you replace them so so far you can say I have some
Messi in the in my team I have mbappe and Ronaldo and that's I
have to replace them it's it's it's and you've
got some division two and division three players but don't
worry they'll they'll get substituted for the next the
next Ryon stall but uh like like Al whenever people talk about
algorithms everyone gets scared because they sound really
complicated so like do you have a background in something similar as
a job or like how did you learn this this is a nice question because
I really don't
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have any coding background you know I can code some basic
stuff you know but um on my journey I found out that there is some
is some is some software they are trading system builder software so
I only use this software so I use strategic w x so basically it is
um a software where you can select a bunch of indicator you know RSI
Binger band you name it vwap and so on and after that the software
we're going to is going to do you're going to do a lot of
simulation you're going to smash all these rules together and
it will come up with some trading system so I have multiple system
that I
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don't even understand the logic that I trade why I trade
them because I have um a robustness process that's filter out
all the curve fitted strategy because with this kind of trading
system builder most of the time it will yield curit strategy you
know so it will look sexy on the back test but when you go live
you're going to start losing money because the system is not
robust enough to trade with unseen data so that's why it's
important to have a workflow that will filter out the curve fit one
and will give you only the robust one you know so this this this
software so let's say I want to trade an RSI system
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you know basic mean reversion system I will select it in
strategic want X it will generate the code so from that I can choose
okay I want the code in Easy language you know with trade station or
ninja Trader or any other platform it will generate the code for me
and from that I will be able to trade it live and connect it
directly to my broker account so short answer I don't really
have a big background in coding I know some basic stuff uh but with
the help of the software I'm able to trade knock and wood
successfully so far but I mean it's amazing because I think
it's commonly said in trading that
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learning a trade isn't extremely difficult to find an
edge most Traders can do within one or two or three years but to
manage the emotional aspects of it and not take that ridiculous draw
down to not lose patience one day is the is the big problem that
happens I mean I know strategies with 80% win rates I know
strategies that with 70% win rates I know that the point to get in
and out I've back tested them against samples of thousands of
data so but I don't really have the time to sit in front of the
market all day so but I like the research so for someone like me or
anyone else who I've
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described this strategy is Kind of Perfect is it or would you
say oh well um to be honest the difficult part is trading a strategy
with 40% success rate okay I think as a human we always want to
trade something about 70 80% and you know Let It Go but what I found
out based on my test thing most of this High win strategy will tend
to fail in live environment and you have a higher chance that your
strategy will perform if you have sub 40% win rate I know it's
counterintuitive but this is what I found out so the the when you
have like 10 loss 10 loss a losing streak 15 loss losing
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street it's hard psychological but if you have tested
your system you have do you did the calculation you know I
don't know if you're famous with the risk of room you know
probability tell me so me so me so basically um it is a way of
sizing your algo so for instance if you size 2% of your max account
and your win rate is about uh you know 30% and your win loss ratio
is about I don't know of 1.5 your risk of run is pretty high I
mean we can do it here it's pretty easy uh um I can I can show
it here this yeah you can go here and see risk of
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room it's it's really uh so let's say you have
a um you know payoff of about 1.5 you risk 100 right but you make uh
150 your accuracy says 30% and you risk 3% of your account see risk
through 99% so maybe you can work on the accuracy maybe 5% you are
still nearly guaranteed of losing all your money so you need to size
your account accordingly so if you have 40% and you risk 100 to make
200 and let's say you risk 0.5% drop to zero right so with this
information you know even if you have five 10 15 loss in a row you
are pretty much uh you know not guaranteed but you
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won't uh you won't be rued yeah so um so this is
the idea behind you need to size accordingly with your algo of
course you will have some algorithmic that will not perform they
will fail in life but you need to replace them with new one so this
is the tough part of the job you always need to monitor your
strategy and you know this one okay it's having a dry down is
it normal compared to the back test if it exceed the dry down of the
back test I'm going to turn it off I'm going to replace it
with a new one so yeah basically so how much of your time goes into
watching
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the charts and how much of your time goes into just managing
the algorithmic data and results results results um good question
well with strategic want X for other similar trading system builder
you can build some workflow so if you have a server you know
dedicated server that's run 247 you what I do is I'm
always running my system data minor so I will choose to run it maybe
on the NASDAQ maybe on under stock Nvidia whatever and it will yeld
me some strategy the goal for me is to have a lot lot lot of good
player on the bench that are ready to play you know uh sometime it
take a lot of time you
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know sometime you can mine for nearly a week and you
won't find something that is tradable and you need to look for
another symbol another stock another Market and so on but uh the
biggest chunk of my time go into monitoring so at the end of the day
I always look at how my algo are performing you know is it you know
the L that I have today is it normal is it something that is
comparable to the back des and so on so for instance on this account
I trade the the one that is tracked by kfo I trade around probably
80 to 990 Al so if you monitor it on any Alo can
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take a little bit of time but you know you have to do it to
to continue to perform yeah I mean I guess it's I guess what
you're doing is you're defining an edge and then
you're refining The Edge so you define in and then it's
just refin refin refin refin oops I took that out and me results
have got worse I need to probably put that back in it's
it's a constantly refining The Edge like like you constantly
train a football player to make them the best fre kick taker best
penalty taker best right winger same thing yeah yeah sure sure
definitively especially when you have Dre down you know we are all
human
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when you have dreadon you start doubting yourself maybe you
start losing it it it so when you monitor you track you gain the
confidence back so you say okay this is a dad like the other one so
I will just need to continue to execute my trade like I did in the
past and I came back from this TR down ni can I can I have your
algorithm do can I give you like $10 a month for it or $15 a month
or is it it's not for sale is there a price for these things
I'm happy to work with your algorithm I don't M I'm
happy I trust you well yeah I have a
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course with my partner uh where we sell algo algo trading
course and now we're thinking about leing some algo so the idea
you know this is what I like with gameo you know you have to have
skin in the game you know you if you trade this you have to show me
that you treade it live with your real money so if you pay you know
a monthly subscription at least you want to know that the developer
the trader traded which his is running so yeah you know it's a
it take a lot of time but uh it pay at the end it pay or or I can
just use your algorithm and I'll I'll
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put some money in but well we we'll say we'll say
I'm just joking maybe I can find a way to pay but uh do you
want to break down we've talked a lot about I just want to ask
uh how how did you get into this was it specifically because you saw
the most profitable Traders verified in the algorithmic Traders is
that how you got into it yeah like I've said know I've
tried many style you know many chat room Twitter account trading
signal subscription and it didn't work out you know and uh when
I I I came across a website that tried to bust you know all the the
the yeah the guy was
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a machine man like you if you don't give your tax
document your financial statement your broker statement you are
considered a fraud direct and the only one that were able to provide
their tax document the finance statement where uh you know the algo
Trader so from that on this is was this was a good way you know a
good you know way to to to identify which strategy best so this this
is why I started algorithmic trading on my end no very but did you
read any books on it to get started because I just people hear the
word algorithm and get scared yeah I I did read some book but the
thing is in
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algo trading world people are secretive with their algo you
know they don't want to share it because if they share it many
people will trade it and you know they will lose the edge they will
need to try a new one the the the information that I found is
basically that that served me is finding a good robustness system
because the the first obstacle was okay you need to learn how to Cod
but it take a lot of time but the solution that you found is okay
there is some trading system builder that can find algo for you so
this was a good solution from that on okay this system builder will
generate a lot
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of curvefit system so most of them will not perform life but
some of them will perform so what's what's the feature the
function on this algo that's make them still perform in live
environment so that's was the challenge so you have to do a lot
of research a lot of back testing a lot of what we call incubation
you know I don't know if you're familiar with the term
incubation I know the way but not in trading okay so incubation so
basically when you build a system you know you have the in Sample
data out of sample data and from that on if you think that this algo
is robust enough you're going to put
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it on Sim basically so for the next three month four months
you're going to see how it perform if it perform well you know
especially when there is a volatile Market you know if it's a
bull market everyone makes money you know but you want a data set
where there is a lot of chop you know a lot of volatility if your
algo survive this kind of price action it you have a high likelihood
that it will continue to perform in the past so you have to have a
lot of Argo Inc incubation and this is where a strategic b x is
useful because you have a lot of algo that you can incubate and
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in the end at the end you will select the one that you like
the one that seem to be robust the one that have a good uh risk
adjusted return a good sharp ratio good profit factor and so on very
interesting I think without uh without further Ado we'll take a
look at your strategy if if you're kind enough to be one of the
few uh algo traders that can give an insight into their own system
yeah yeah sure uh I'm going to share a simple strategy that you
can build with um strategic want X it is the turnaround Tuesday
strategy uh like I've said you know this strategy you know
it's only a you
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can click you don't need to code so the the logic behind
it we have to be Monday the day have to be Monday so you can see
here day of week equals Monday just check I think you're not on
I'm seeing K4 still I oh oh maybe uh let me share again okay so
this is the rule of the strategy we call it turn turnaround strategy
so you can see that the day of the week is Monday the close has to
be lower than the open so you you are expecting a red day on a
Monday and you hold the strategy for one day only only only so uh
let me show you here yeah
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you you only hold for one day here you can see it has been
tested on Apple see yeah you have nice profit Factor you have a nice
winning rate for instance this one is about 58% and you can generate
the code based on the platform of your choice trade station strategy
Point s uh sorry uh Ninja Trader Ninja Trader Ninja Trader meta
Trader and so on um so this is the other side other side other side
of the strategy give a moment here so here you see um exit after one
bar you see one bar only yeah and uh you know simple stop loss of 5%
so usually the robust strategy are simple you don't
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have many rule so if you have two rule close a red close on a
Monday and you hold for one bar and this strategy has been tested
well over many years you can see it's still profitable so for
the an analytical people that will say oh look you have a low annual
return here you know 1.9% you 1.9% you 1.9% you see this is just a
test you know if you tested for instance on U proo upro is a two
time spy ETF you know I'm going to show you the result they are
pretty interesting here so this is the result on uo uo like
I've said is a 2X the Spy ETF you know
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you're trading the market you can see that your yearly
average return is about 15% your drw down pretty much uh normal 14%
And you have a nice winning rate you know and um you see with this
is with the kind of thing that you have to do as an algo Trader you
start with an idea even if the result doesn't look as good but
you can you know take the same strategy test it on another sample
for instance the market because there is some people who say yeah if
you trade only Apple you know how do you know that Apple will still
be performing in the next year in Nvidia maybe your it's you
know
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it's survivorship bias so there's solution for that
you can trade the ETF of of of track uh so you can see it's
pretty H you know it's tradable for 15% return 14% drw down
nice profit Factor nice winning rate uh and like I've showed
you with the you know the risk of Ru calculator you can calculate
the sizing of this strategy you know how much will risk to avoid a
potential room uh the goal is to have multiple strategy like that to
avoid the you know if it stop working you can replace it easily with
another one and so on also I'm going to share another thing
that I like with kinfo uh I don't
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know if a lot of people use it is you can extract all your
trade into a CSV file so my goal right now is to reduce the Vol
volatility of my H curve because as you as you saw it's a
little bit Wiggly because it's it's a breakout algo
breakout algo is not as smooth as the main reversion or the short
only only only Center Center Center um this is a test that I did
maybe it can help somebody else that will watch this video so this
is a pretty straightforward graph what I did is I extracted all my
trade put it in Excel and I try to simulate if you know I am better
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at reducing my position size if I hit 5% Dr down is it better
will it generate more profit will I have a better sharp in the
future and so on so here this is the my performance the Blue Line
This is the performance from Kimo you see it's a little bit
Wiggly you know yeah but what I simulated is okay I try to reduce uh
my allocation by allocation by allocation by 50% if I hit a 5% Dr
down and um strangely enough you make more profit you know you can
see the the green line you make more profit and you have lower dry
down and I also try to see if I reduced my
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allocation by 75% when I hit 5% dry down and ironically
enough you make more profit you see this is a big big difference
between the red line and the blue the blue the blue line and
it's you know you you have lower dry down yeah you can have you
know the only downside is you have you know a lot of um you know
stagnation at some point because you reduce the size so it makes
sense you will not make back the profit as easily as before but you
reduce the dry down but when it's time to to to break out it
catch um the the full amount so this is interesting I was able to
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do it because of kinfo ability to extract trade and uh yeah
another thing is when the equity hit a new alltime high the position
size uh go 100% so it go back to the initial position initial
position initial position sizing um so yeah I hope it helps um
somebody who Tred to refine his process no I think it's I think
it's an amazing uh it's an amazing way to educate people
on a different style of trading because you know the the main
Educators with the biggest voices biggest voices biggest voices are
more or less saying the same kinds of things of of like day trading
without an algorithm you take the trades trade between 9
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and 11 but it's a completely different strategy that
you've got that's uh formed in a completely different way
so it's it's really good for opening people's eyes um
but what what would you say if someone knew wanted to get started
tomorrow what what what's the first steps of the day and
what's this platform is this platform the one that you just
mentioned earlier the x is it X trade yeah strategic want X so first
thing first uh the fact that we have king for now you can track the
most Prof profitable Trader and try to to to learn from them so this
is the first step to do I'm I'm well aware that there is
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better Trader than me and and so on but just by choosing a
good educ is by by itself can save you a lot of money so with kinu
it's easy to do uh second thing if you want to go the to take
the route of algo trading um try to use system builder trading
system builder like strategy point x it's uh really a nice
software it will save you a lot of time you don't need to learn
how to code because learning how to code take a lot of time uh so
you may you know abandon the idea because it take a lot of time but
with trading system builder it's much easier you have
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a lot of tool that you can use to filter out curit system
that uh and also this software there is always new updates you have
a nice customer service uh there's a lot there's a big
community that will help you out if you have some question and so on
um so yeah strategic s can help you but the most important thing is
that you you need to have a well defined process to filter out Cur
fit system so this is the key so I know a lot of people who TR who
trade uh Al go based on trading system builder but are not
successful because their process of filtering out is not good so you
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need to choose an educator that's trade the same style
as you successfully with their real money so you can reproduce this
kind of result because thing is some people will try I'm sure
you're aware of that some people will follow really successful
educator that have a k for account but they don't have the same
result the thing why because maybe and probably he's not using
the same position size you know but with algo you are really you
know digging into the number so if you're trading trading analo
okay what is the allocation what is your average loss what is your
max loss what is your max Trad down uh what is your worst Trad down
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in the best have you sized accordingly so if you mimic this
kind of statistic in your own trading in your own account you will
highly likely have the same performance that than your educator
because you're replicating exactly the same Playbook exactly
the same allocation and strategy and so on so yeah hope it helps no
it makes fall sense uh just to one or two questions to close out but
just to say we we'll drop your details we'll drop the
platform details in the in the YouTube description if anyone if
anyone wants to click or the needed or they want to learn a little
bit from your style of your trading do you ever lose sleep
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at night looking at an algorithm and thinking you just one
tweak away from a multi-million dollar strategy no not really do you
know what I mean on no yeah yeah no no I understand what you mean
but no um multi-million dollar you need to use leverage because um
you can find a really nice strategy that's work well in life
you know environment with real money money money but you know you
need to trade some pretty liquid instrument and you need to press
heavy size you know you can't buy a Lambo if you you know you
allocating only $20,000 you need to press heavy you know you know
when you look at the best Trader of
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all time you know Dron killer you know Ed seota you know the
Jim Simons so their annual rate you know the best one I think is Jim
Simons it was 66% per year and these guys was trading like multi
billion so the best of the best made 66% in a year so how much do
you need to make a million in one years so you need probably a lot
of money I got it it's a long game it's it's the long
it's the long it's the long path of millions right
it's the long game yeah yeah sure makes sense do you think
algorithmic trading will eventually just wipe retail out out out yes
yes yes
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because emotion are really hard to control really really hard
you know um you know even if you have the discipline it will come a
day or two I don't know your dad or mom died you know and you
have a position on and you know you don't have the energy
mental Clarity to take a trade to close the trade um you know we are
human so we are weak by definition because we have emotion but with
ago trading you know it's automatic it will buy it will sell
there is no discuss discussion around it and you know you can close
the computer and go other thing you know that's may be helpful
for you but
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I think in the future yeah especially you know with chat GPT
right now you can easily code an algo you know and and if you put in
the work it's easily doable but you know on my end this is
based on my experience I know I'm weak man I know with emotion
you can it's easy you know you take the trade you think
it's when it's going to go higher it hit your stop mental
stuff you know there's a lot of people talking about mental
stuff it hit your stuff you you know and you still you will still
lose more money that you thought of so that's why I prefer AR
good trading it keep
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me in check for my hand for me my emotions are all over the
place so it's probably the if I'm ever going to make it in
trade in Alo is probably the way forward as well and it's going
to wipe retail anyway so you may as well get in now yeah yeah I mean
it's it's it's really it will help it will really
help and a lot of people especially on the the short side you know
I've heard like recently there is the Ticker on Twitter drug
drug a lot of people out and because if if you had an algo even if
there is a halt and it go beyond at least you will you
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will exit with a loss but if you think oh it's gonna
drop back it's tough game good uh now it's been fantastic
to talk to Fantastic to hear your experience fantastic to see pretty
enlightened by this New Perspective so appreciate your time if
you've got any final words I I'll let you have them before
we close out well first of all thanks for having me uh it was a
pleasure to meet you too stepan and uh yeah for the all the trailer
that are watching that are struggling um you know everyone has a
different path uh just for my end you know I've blow up a lot
of account in the past I even loow
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money and a blow this account but with persistence
consistency and having the right Mentor the right patient you can
you know you can make it you need to be patient patient will help
you a lot in consistency don't don't be optimistic future
look future look future look [Music] [Music] [Music] PR thank you
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Fellow Englishman, fellow football fan, fellow can I say the
word compatriots. Today we're talking to Aiden, also known as
the law of trading. I've never sort of like had a sort of super
high in paying job or anything like that. So to start making
thousands of dollars a day was like an amazing amazing experience.
Whenever I go whatever I'm doing, if I go to the gym or just
whatever, my mind's just like charts, charts, charts. And I
would say find the right teacher. That's everything. The right
teacher is everything. And that can speed up your process uh
dramatically. In this trade, I was going to make five figures. So, I
just instantly just added here.
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And that's just an absolutely awful ad. Too way too far
away from my risk. Then it started to started to started to retrade.
Welcome back to Undiscovered Traders, the podcast that focuses on
the charts, stats, and edge. Each of the three that we'll be
going through today uh from one of the latest six figure traders.
Today we're talking to Aiden, also known as Belove Trading if
you want to uh follow him on Kinfo. Fellow Englishman, fellow
football fan, fellow can I say the word compatri. He's up
177,000. Got to get to some charts and strategy. Long base trader.
So, someone to take a note of. How are you, my friend? Very good,
Stephen. I'm very
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good indeed. good indeed. good indeed. Uh it's unusual.
Um there's not too many of the English around. trade in the
American markets. I've seen a couple, but there's not too
many. Uh, how on earth did you get into trading? How did you figure
out about these the US markets? Why are you not trading the
thoughts? Nothing going on there, I don't think. Um, so my
introduction, my discovery of trading was really random. Um, I was
traveling Thailand and I was kind of just like open to learning like
new ways of getting income remotely and uh, trading was not on my
radar at all. Um, but whilst I was in Thailand, I remember one
evening I
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was lying on my bed in my bungalow watching some YouTube and
just this random video of Steven Ducks popped up which was really
surprising because I've never watched anything to do with
trading before. But I watched this video of him being interviewed
and it just went from there really. I never I never kind of I know a
lot of people have limiting beliefs about trading when they're
getting into it. They think either it's a scam or there's
no money to be made, but I was quite fortunate in that I didn't
really have those limiting beliefs. I just knew it was a real
opportunity and um just kind of went from it from there really.
Yeah,
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I know you sound like so many people that I know and so many
people that like there so many people like I know there's that
like stereotypical like stereotypical like stereotypical uh view of
like Americans working in these cubicles. Do you know what I mean?
Like these little box bybox cubicles and and it's in England as
well like there's so much call center work um in England and
people just stuck in solitary jobs, never getting up out of the
seats and like everyone's just like the world's much
smaller these days. Everyone's like how do we travel the world?
How do we see more places? How do you make disposable income? But
it's like a pipe
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dream, but for you, you've you've done it, right?
Cuz living in Thailand's cheap. cheap. cheap. Yeah. I mean,
it's it's always kind of I've I've always had a
bit of a pull towards freedom, you know, and I don't think
that's that for me isn't only financial, but it can
provide certain kind of freedom. So, I was always open to sort of
seeing what comes along really. And it just, you know, he just found
me at the right time. So you've you've made 177K,
you've kept the 177K, which is important because you get a lot
of people who come in strong markets and then completely fall apart.
So like how just so people have an idea
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like were you just naturally do you have a natural pre
predisposition to trading or have you just worked endless hours?
Like what was a day what did a day look like for you when you first
when you were really studying? just massively, massively overwhelmed
when you first start because you you don't have a clue
what's going on. Um, but what I can say was there was just this
this pull that was sort of unbreakable. I just wanted to get as much
information, as much knowledge about what was going on as as as I
could. So it was basically wake up, watch any information I could
find all day, every day and the evenings as well.
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I just I couldn't stop devouring more as much
information as I could get. And to me it was, you know, you you kind
of like stop and do something for fun. Like I'll watch a
YouTube video for fun or whatever. I didn't really have that
because trading was fun. So, I'd be looking for the next video
to get my fix. So, it was Yeah. When it first started and I was
studying sort of all the time, that's that's what it
looked like really. Well, it's just all day, all day, every day
and that's it. That's pretty pretty much, man. Yeah. Yeah.
And for how long? How long until something something something
clicked, saw results? Well,
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for when I from when I began. So I would say on my Kimfo
it's it was connected to about six months before I started I
was with like some sketchy Do you remember a short trader? Yeah sure
traders I had like uh I had I had like $200 in there and that's
about six months before I started Mckinfo. So um I think it started
to click about a year and a half maybe a year and a halfish into my
trading uh when I started to be that I came into the the sort of
sort of 2020 2021 bubble and that sped up my learning because there
was so much going on you couldn't help but
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begin to recognize patterns. So that's when something
began to click and like and like how I like how concise and straight
you are with the answers which is I don't know if that's
an English thing or not but but like how how did it click? Like were
you just watching loads of screen time? Were you watching loads of
YouTube videos or was it a mix of everything? everything?
everything? Yeah. I I began to understand really one setup
that's what clicked. on setup I began because the OTC market
was hot and I began and there was a real sort of edge uh using level
two on the OTC market. So I began to understand how to
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dip by panics on OTC's and the OTC market was so hot you
couldn't help but recognize the reoccurrence of this pattern.
So, that's what clicked and that's when it clicked during
the 2021 uh early months of 2021 because it was hot in 2020. I think
the the end of 2020, but it was still too new for me. I still
didn't really get what was going on. I got there was big moves,
but I didn't really get how to trade them. And um so was it
just a case of screen time and practice? I mean, you must have only
been making a trade a day though or a trade every few days. Or were
you making
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little trades and then when you saw your pattern pick trades
or Yeah, I have to think back now. Yeah, I mean, no, I think I was
trading. I don't even I was overtrading when I first started. I
was definitely overtrading and then sort of when I began to
understand how to dip by, I just knew it was time to size up. So,
you know, I was really really cautious when I started. I knew that
the market could be dangerous. I knew I could lose that. I kind of
felt as though once I understood how to trade, I could size up. I
could justify sizing up. But until I could see that, there was there
was
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there was it was too risky to do that. So once I could see
that right actually I know how to dip by uh uh OTC's then I
began to size up and make uh you know some quite decent money quite
quickly. Very nice. J up your uh profit chart on Ken for I'm
curious just to to to to to to see where you had this uh spike, how
you managed it, and how you've managed to to maintain your um
maintain your profits because a lot a lot of people um a lot of
people and you'll see when you bring up your your chart, but a
lot of people make money and just lose it. And
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uh we're up with uh Aiden the low trading uh profit
chart here and we're going to take a little bit a little look
through it. And what's what's interesting for me is I see
that you've had this uh I mean let's let's just talk
through it. So talk me through October November. Is that when you
had is this when you were dip buying the OTC's? Yeah. So like I
say I started here it says May 2020 but I was with some sketchy
offshore broker before six months before and then around you can see
it start to increase uh towards mid 2020 and then towards the end of
2020 I really began to feel like I
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had a an a good solid understanding of how to dip by OTC. So,
uh, I added money to my account and that's kind of, you know,
over the next, I don't know, 6 months is that ended up I think
up what was the most I was up about 220,000. So, that was a pretty
uh pretty exciting time to be honest with you. Those those six
months uh yeah, I've never sort of like had a sort of super
high paying job or anything like that. So to start making thousands
of dollars a day was like an amazing amazing experience. Uh I was
quite fortunate as well during this time because you know I think I
mentioned
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to you before that I was traveling Thailand and and and um
because I was away so often I uh ended up renting out my house and
when I'd come back I'd stay with family. So during this
time I was uh staying with family and I got to sort of share that
whole experience of making money with them. So yeah, it sort of
increased the sort of joy of it by about you know a million% really.
So um but yeah after that time when the market changed I um can be
quite open and honest in saying that I didn't have the
experience uh both technically and in terms of emotional management
to uh manage such a
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large account or um adapt to a completely different market.
So the next year was quite a big draw down ends up giving back about
65k. And uh it was at that point um I was still up you know 160,000
which is obviously good but at that point I kind of realized look if
I don't change something this draw down is just going to
continue and continue. So, I ended up uh withdrawing um the majority
of what I had in my account and just said, "Look, I need to go
back to basics um and sort of find a new teacher that can teach me
what what I want to learn." And over the next year or
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so, you can see I'm quite flat uh in my profit curve.
And that's during this time, I'm kind of trying out
different teachers, but nothing I found some great teachers, but
nothing really fit with me. I wanted to learn to long listed stocks.
Um, and then eventually I landed on uh Roland Wolf uh back in
December, so around here, December um 2023. And since then,
can't really see it on this chart, but I've beun uh
growing my account quite steadily. steadily. I found consistency
again. Um up to yeah, I've made about I don't know 14 15k
over the last year or so. So consistency has come back and now
it's a a case of continuing
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to learn and continuing to size up. Um yeah, I feel like I
can justify that now. The teachings I've got from Roland are
absolutely uh exceptional and everything all the information I was
kind of like searching for is is right there. So yeah, I
couldn't be happier. No, it's um I know like we already
spoke. I know Roman Well, and I don't know I don't really
know anyone else who I don't know anyone who like I know is
verified and legit like it's like you know with like the whole
reason that we do Kinfo is because you want to see people verified.
So it's not someone saying that they can trade and then that
they
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don't have any records, right? But I I know Roland as
well. Roland's not on Kinfo, but I know I know I've seen
his profit le and I've seen his some of his uh I know him well
enough to believe him. Do you know what I mean? I haven't seen
broker statements, but I know him well enough to know that he's
legit cuz I've hung out with him in person a few times, but uh
I've seen a lot of success stories from Roland as well. So,
you're like another one. another one. another one. Yeah, get in
there. Get in there. It's been the catalyst for my change in
trading and you know I speak to him
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every day and you know the success I'm having is down to
what I'm learning from him. So yeah, no doubt the guy's
legit, but um no, it's it's thrown in your in your
profits, but um we we'll go into some things, but I mean I
think one thing that separates you from a lot of people is the fact
that you've stayed in the game cuz like you must have some
level of discipline. I'm not sure where you're getting
that from because how many people would have just like got p like
got pissed off at at losing 70 grand and just started taking big big
swings to get all five highs, taking big big long positions
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and losing it all. But um how is your discipline? Like how do
you how do you how have you managed to maintain your discipline to
not mess this up because well th this this year this year draw down
was a lack of discipline. This was a real downward spiral. It it got
to the point point point where there was just this realization, if I
don't stop, I'm going to lose everything that I've
worked for. And that scared me. That really, really scared me. But
it took me to I had to get to that point in order to withdraw from
my account. and the withdrawing of my account um and switching to a
cash account were
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key in uh stabilization and now growth because when I was in
this downswing and uh I wasn't with a cash account so I could
just trade as much so as much as you know as I possibly wanted to
the I would sort of go on these I would start chasing gains and lose
my discipline and um yeah that's if there's anybody out
there who struggles with discipline and is in that sort of
overtrading uh space. There's in my experience there's no
worse place to be as a trader. It's really dangerous. And uh
the best thing that helped me was switching to a cash account. And I
think from my from my perspective, it doesn't matter
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how much how big my account, how big I grow my account, I
think I'll always keep it as a cash account just to save me in
case I lose my head. It's like a failsafe mechanism. No, but I
think that I mean it's tough cuz people will say it's
it's so difficult to grow a small account. Don't ever size
down too much. But like I remember I I had a really really good run
in the markets at the same time as you and my equity curve looked
like yours. And when I started losing money, I just I just pulled it
all out and bought an apartment with it. And um and if I hadn't
have
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bought the apartment, I think I would have lost it all to be
honest. I'm quite sure I would have lost it all. And now every
time I bought a me pal and it's rented right now, I think,
yeah, trade and pay for this. I'm not not that much of a loser.
Do you know what I mean? But I mean, and for you, like what have you
done? Have you put it in like an interest savings or you've
just kept it tucked away or No, I mean, I've I've got um
you know, I've got some in my in my bank account and my um you
know, I did pay a large amount of tax on that
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and I did live off it for a few years. So, it's not the
160,000 or anything close to that is what it was. Um, but um, you
know, I'm still okay. I've still got money in my bank. You
know, I've got a nice little cushion and um, the money that I
did leave in my uh, Erade account is now, you know, I've built
that up. I've grown it about 200%. So, I proved to myself that
I can I can do this. um you know the consistency is there like like
I said before it's just a case of uh continuing to learn and
sizing up when it's appropriate to do so. Ah but for me
you've
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shown incredible discipline to recover from this and and
obviously these last few years has been switching from OTC to listed
and you've successfully made the transition. Um so it's
looks like you're ready for your next curve up. I'd love
to see some charts. I don't know if you've got any from
the old OTC days just for the memory. If not, would love to see what
you're doing on the list that say what Roland's been
teaching you. Um, I don't have any from the list from the OTC
land. That was too long ago. Um, I could probably fish them out if I
had a bit more time, but for now I think I'll just go into
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the listed. So, um, right. So, a few trades that I've
made recently, this one being the first one. Can you see that chart?
Yeah. PSV. Yeah. Yeah. So I play one of my favorite long bias setups
is uh first green day. I think Tim Gratani in his DVD trading
tickers too calls it reversal long or long reversal. Um so yeah this
would be a good example of a of a first green day. So what I'm
looking for in a first green day? Well firstly I want to see that
the uh I want to see an initial strong uh strong uh runup from the
stock. So you can see here PSDV goes from a low of
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24 all the way up to a high of high of high of uh 231. So
what's that? Close close to a,000% I think outrageous move.
Yeah, 900%. So that's and on on good volume as well, you know,
it's done 359 million shares. So, when a stock makes a move
like this, um, if I do miss the initial runup, it's certainly
going going to be on my radar for a first green day, which is
basically a bounce after the stocks had a strong run and it's
um had a a decline. So, if we switch to the intraday, let's
switch to the five minute minute minute chart. So we can see here
that this is the runup.
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Had a push pre-market and then just a huge huge huge run.
run. run. So what I'm looking for is this nice uh drop here, a
retracement. Now this retracement retracement retracement is, let me
see, roughly about 50% off its high. So it's made a nice
retracement. What I'm looking for is a bounce. So I'm
trying to identify a level where I could think that can bounce from.
And we can see here it touches this level like what one two three
four five five times and then pre-market has a little push uh
suggesting that you know this might be the bounce day. I don't
want to chase it here. I want to buy as close to
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this level here as possible as that's going to be my
risk which is the the lowest point of the retracement. See here
pre-market it touches it nicely. So I'm getting in around here.
I think I got in about 129 risking uh 125. So you know 4 cents uh 4
cents risk and just sold. I put these levels on as possible profit
targets. So off this level here, off this level here, and off this
level here, and just sold into each of them. I think my best sell
was I think like 170ish, I think. Can't quite remember. So I
missed this uh secondary leg up, but you do have to be uh a little
bit cautious
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uh with first green days because they are most of the time
backside moves. But nice bit of range there. Uh you know, 126 to
190. Uh so good riskreward only risking four cents for a possible uh
what's uh what's uh what's that 65 cents. Yeah. The
thing is though like in like when you like hindsight trade right
when you look at this chart in hindsight it's the most obvious
thing in the world. It's like the most obvious thing in the
world. When you look at it in hindsight like clear clear support
clear support. But but when when this when it's when
you're not hindsight trading like obviously you've traded
it live so it's completely different.
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You have the skill to see it in the future. But for everyone
looking at this in hindsight, it looks easy. But but it's not
because otherwise everyone would do it. But like how are you
differentiating? How are you saying are you just accepting that it
might be a backside move? Are you accepting that you might get faked
out a bunch of times? Cuz end of the day, this is a trash company.
It's gone all the way up. You expect that it's already
sold off a bunch and it's just going to go all the way back
down to 20 cents. So are you just accepting it's going back to
20 cents? You're going to get faked
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out a bunch of times. could be the backside move, but your
risk is so tight that you might get a push and the risk rewards
worth it. Yeah, I'm accepting that um the probability is on my
side for this to bounce because I've happened so many times and
then I'm accepting that my that I might I might lose a few
cents a share. Like that's that's the game. But the odds
for this having a bounce are quite high. Um but it is you know when
you're in or around here it is it does play with your emotions.
You do think is it going to crack? Is it going to be a lot of
slippage? I
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I do come across those kind of uh thoughts and emotions
emotions emotions but trading it's everything is like inverse
in in trading. So when that feeling of like oh no it's going to
go lower generally that's the time to right right time to buy
more higher m that's the that's the time when you want to
be selling when people are like oh it's going to go to the moon
like selling to that strength. Um so yeah kind of w with this is my
favorite long buy setup. I've just seen it so many times
I'm quite comfortable with it. Yeah. And I've um I've
spoke to um had the privilege of interviewing a few um market
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makers, market makers, and I can't remember. I think I I
think I I interviewed a guy who worked for Bank of America and he
was telling us about some people that work for City Bank. And like
these market makers are literally um the job is to make make
markets. To make markets, you need liquidity. Um and these guys are
just saying exactly the same thing. they're just completely
managing and maintaining the levels. So if they drop it down to the
support level, they know that they're going to get a bunch of
shorts to come in just so they can rip it up. So when the inverse
happens, I can't help but think it's market makers
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making markets getting liquidity to Yeah. to um because they
can they can make small amounts of money through the individual
transactions getting in and out really fast. So, I think when you
talk about the inverse, I think it's a lot of a lot of
that's um some of the market makers messing around. Yeah. And
I'm glad you said that because that would just add to my
conviction on this setup. But it's not only this setup, but
doing the inverse because when it is down here and it looks like
it's going to break support, everything in me is saying like
short it or get out because it's going to flush. That's
when you should be buying.
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So, um, yeah, trading's tough. It's tough to manage
that. It's tough to sort of detach from that and just continue
doing everything that your body says you shouldn't be doing.
Yeah, I know. And I think it's good that if you're with
you're with you're with um if if you're with a broker
where you don't have the possibility to short, it stops you
from flipping bias as well, which is like almost a good thing
because you don't want to get the worst thing in the world is
to go long, get stopped out, go short, get stopped out, and then go
long again, and then it drops. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's the
worst thing in the world,
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but it's it's a it's a it's a nice
pattern. It's an interesting pattern. I completely see what
you're looking for. Are you looking for any other kind of
signs, catalyst? Does it matter if it's got news? Are you
looking for a little a pre-market move first to to look for the long
move? Are you looking for a double bottom on the end of day?
Anything like that? Or is it a feel for there can be I can show you.
One often a really good sign that it's going to bounce is when
you see uh like a little pre-market pop and a little bit volume
lately. I know it's done it here, but the sort of
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Yeah, you can you can be forgiven for taking that really, but
um yeah, there is often a sign that it's it has a little move
and then it retraces. Um, but if these companies knew what they were
doing, more of them would PR for a first screen day right at the
right time because it sets up perfect and on occasion you do see the
PR just perfectly timed and it just has a massive rip. Um, but yeah,
you know, obviously that's out of my hands, but um, yeah, when
that happens, it's it's extra sweet. But generally what
I'm looking for is just some just some basing action, possibly
a pop off the basing, but if
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it's not, just I want to get in as close to that as
possible. Really? Yeah. And and do you have the discipline to wait
for it? You have the discipline to wait for those levels patiently.
Depends on the day. Um most of the time, yes. Uh most of the time,
yes. Um but would you like me to give you an example when I
didn't? Because that's Yes. Sure. Let's let's go
through it. This was, let me think, I don't know if I can
remember the ticker now. Yeah. So, this one was an example of when I
lost my uh uh uh discipline. So, if we go to the 15minute chart. So,
okay, let's start with
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the daily chart. So, this was uh a really really strong run
up going from 26 cents all the way to 348. So this again you can see
the similarity with PSTV that it this is the kind of strong run up
with high volume that I'm looking for in terms of uh looking
for a bounce. Now if we go to the 15minut chart. Okay, this maybe in
five minute chart would better. Okay, so we can see here again
really strong run up high volume. Often what we see is a huge drop
off in volume which is important because that kind of sets the stage
for a liquidity trap. Right. Yeah. Uh so for anybody who
doesn't
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know what that means is that shorts are sizing in uh on these
days based on the liquidity on that day. So if there's a huge
drop off in volume shorts can't get out big size without
pushing the price higher. So that's often you know coincides
with the first green day. green day. green day. So this stock here
is an example of when I uh just FOMO got me didn't stick to my
plan and ended up taking quite a sizable loss even though my thesis
was correct. Now so what we can see here is a drop from 350 all the
way down to 120 which is a nice uh nice retracement from its highs.
pretty clean
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retracement as well given that you know it didn't have a
bounce on this day or this day it was just nice clean retracement
and then on this day 8th of Jan we can see here it has a pop
premarket which tells me this is likely going to be the bounce day
day day now I had been really waiting for this and I sort of really
wanted to size in big for it and so when I saw this move that's
quite a nice move 118 up to 170 huge. I sorry it's a nice
it's a nice move and so FOMO got me and I was like oh it's
going to it's gone without me it's going
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to if any if any retracement I'm going to buy but I know
that I need to be risking off this level here. So I started I did I
didn't chase that um but I waited uh I couldn't actually I
probably would have because I was with E Trade so I couldn't
trade till 7. So when it opened I started in around here and
that's fine because you know this might not reach my risk
level. So that that that's cool but I need to size size size in
accepting that if this retraces um I need to be willing to take that
loss. I sized in a bit too big here and then when the market opened
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because I was going for a really big win on this one. I I
looked at my P&L and I was up about a thousand and then in this
trade I was making I was going to make three uh five figures. So I
just instantly just added here and that's just an absolutely
awful ad from way too far away from my risk. Then it started to
retrace and I just started adding on like random levels and then
when it actually it broke my risk level only by um you know a couple
of cents. I was just like I just panicked and I was just like whoa
I'm just I'm down sort of I was down I
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think 1500 at that point. I thought this you know in my head
this was going to keep going and keep going. So I just cut had no
more cash in my account and then just had to sit there and just be I
was quite chilled. I was willing to take a big loss on it. Um, but
what we can see afterwards is key. It came down to this this level.
It couldn't really break it. It tried again, couldn't
break it, and then get rid of this. Reclaimed the low of the
pre-market low of 119 perfectly. And that is the telltale sign that
this is the bounce day. So, it's had the pre-market pop.
It's retraced.
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It's tried to break the low. couldn't really
couldn't really reclaimed and then it has this grind up and
then short star covering and then bang we have this pop and that is
I don't know what's that like 120% move or 130% move
something like that so really really nice range uh on that one but
yeah I had to I took a a big loss on something that that I was
correct on simply because um I didn't manage my emotions
correctly what did you do that day to get over it I was quite
chilled I was quite chilled To be honest with you, I was I knew
before that I was um willing to take a
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big loss on it. So, the loss wasn't so bad and uh but I
was I was kind of like I yeah I was a bit disappointed to see I knew
at this point when it was doing this I was like this is I knew what
had happened. So yeah, I was all right. I've felt worse. The
the big draw down a couple years ago I felt a lot worse then I
guess. Ah, but still but I see common characteristics of traders who
make it and traders who don't. And uh if that was me and I
thought I was going to make 10 or 15 grand and I lost 1,500, I only
lose I I might
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have drank a quarter of a bottle of whiskey. I might have to
get to get over it. But for you to say just a little I was I was
okay about it. I was a little bit disappointed. It shows to me the
personality traits of a a someone who should be a traitor because
your emotions. You've been through worse. You can handle it.
You're not self-destructing. You've got through it. Do you
know what I mean? Yeah. But I I have other things that I struggle
with. You know, I know why I know why you say that because you know
it's a big missed opportunity, but there are other emotional
things that I do sort of
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find more difficult and trading. Yeah, I struggle to switch
off from trading and that's a problem. It's a it's a
really big problem for me. Um, I mentioned to you earlier I might go
to Thailand for three months just so I'm not around the
computer because whenever I go whatever I'm doing, if I go to
the gym or just whatever, my mind's just like charts charts
charts. And that takes a real impact on my body. Um, because when
you're visualizing a chart and how you're going to play
it, how you're going to play this stock, your body thinks
it's real. So your body's reacting as if as if you're
still trading and that constant adrenaline
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is is it's quite dangerous. Ah so you've actually
you you've become so obsessive and so emotionally involved in
it that it it can have a detrimental impact to your health or it
hasn't yet but you feel like it could. It's beginning to
it's beginning to. Yeah. I feel like tired, a bit more,
exhausted, a bit more fatigued or anything like that or that or that
or just feel um like certain sort of tightness in my body. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. But uh the thing is though, it's like the best
people in the world competing against each other. Like you've
got to be crazy to make it. You've got to be crazy and obsessed
to make it.
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Well, it's like price. Look at Look at Jack Kellogg.
It's the price. It's the price you've got to pay.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But now everyone should be done healthily. Yeah.
It is. It is. And you know, trading is one of those things that um
the kind of gains you can make from it. You can take months off at a
time once you reach that level. So, you know, that's
that's the plus side of it. So, yeah. But and that this pattern
comes around once every six weeks, once every five weeks in a good
market. Maybe there's three of them in a week, but maybe in
there's nine in a month. So you've got other patterns
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of the trades in between or Yeah, there's there loads of
different patterns that I trade. Um I can pull up another example.
Yeah, let's do one more if you want. Let's do one more and
then and I'm just conscious of your time. We'll go through
one more a different pattern and then uh I'll I'll bet a
few questions to close out with you. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Okay. So I I
would say also that I did there are certain patterns that I will go
to that I sort of have studied, but I'll also trade things that
I haven't necessarily studied just studied just studied just
because when you're in front of the screen for so long
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and you are in the flow of the market, you just begin to
recognize what's working at that moment in time. And so
I'll adapt to that. And um yeah, that's one of the best
feelers feelings uh when for me when I'm trading is that when
I'm just really in that flow and you just conviction comes from
that because you just because all the stocks are behaving in the
same way once you once you're in tune with that and you just
you just begin to see it occurring somewhere else and you just jump
on board with that and this is actually an example of that. So this
su is something I traded recently. I think I
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made what did I make about 1,200 on this I think. So
what's happening at the moment is um this isn't something
I would look for but an example of just how the stock market works
in terms of what's working and when. So at the moment what
we're seeing is stocks that have had recent offerings have a
big gap down and then they have a spike afterwards. Uh so
that's the crazy world that we're in. Um this was the you
know the big spike day but I didn't play it on this day simply
because you know it was just a after hours spike pre-market spike
and then failed all day but I did notice it on
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my scanner and um because I noticed it on my scanner my
scanner my scanner uh on this day here I decided that I was going to
play it as a breakout. Okay. Now going back to what I was saying
before about first green days. This would be the stock's first
green day. Um, but I wouldn't look for a first green day on a
runup that's been this week. So, it wasn't something I I
was happy more than happy to miss this day. So, on the breakout day,
what gave me conviction to trade this as a breakout was HMR. So, HMR
had a breakout the day before SUNE and I had seen so this is the
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day one. This is the third day surge. This is the breakout
day slash day2 day2 day2 continuation. So I missed this whole move
but I was very much aware of what was going on with it but I
didn't see a good entry. I just missed it but it was in it was
in my radar. So when I saw su let's go to the five minute
chart. So this is the the the day one move and then it just fails.
This is the first green day. Then I noticed this on my scanner when
it popped up pre-market and because I'd saw it on this day, I
recognized the recognized the recognized the ticker, jumped onto uh
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the chart and I could see I I recognized I I noticed on my
scanner when it was about here about 9 and about 9:00. Now, in terms
of playing this as a breakout, I think what a lot of traders will do
is the breakout level is up here at 52 cents. Okay, this is
pre-market and a lot of traders will be sort of buying the breakout
around here. But for me, there's not very good riskreward
there. there. there. So, I want to look at buying this stock at a a
break of a key level which is lower down, which is going to give me
better riskreward. And that key level in this instance is the
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high of the first green day. And we can see here that's
why it's topping out here. Okay? Because it's is a key
level. Then when we have this break of it, this is when I begin to
notice it. This level was already drawn on fortunately on my chart.
Not sure why, but I could see that this was the key level. I need to
get in around here uh in anticipation of this breakout. I want to
sell a piece uh well all along the way uh definitely into the
breakout level and hold a piece on in case it breaks out. So when
the market opened uh I could see it had a little pull. I can
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see on levels two and tape that it was firm. So got in around
here and then just sold all the way up. I think my best sell was uh
just over 60 cents. So how did that break out? This reminds me of
how rolling trades cuz Roland's drawing is a few I see Roland
trades and I've talked to him a few times in the past and this
is a roll involve. Is is this something from his room or is this is
your styles influenced by or is this something you you knew in the
past? Um so I haven't really everything I do now long biased is
is influenced by Roland because you know I've so
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much of what he said. I haven't um spoken to him much
about breakouts, but definitely uh the definitely I have heard him
say there's no riskreward here. Buying near highs, you know,
buying the breakout, that's that's that's not the
place to buy. So the fact I'm looking for a lower key level,
yeah, it would be based on what I've learned from Roland, I
guess. Yeah, it's just it's more the fact of buying nearer
to the lows, not buying the tops, not buying the breakout so high,
buying more the bottoms. Uh the crazy riskrewards like the cuz
you're looking what what's the risk reward you're
looking for typically. I don't really have a typical
riskreward. Uh
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to be honest with you, I'll just look at it and just see
if it is good risk award or not. I don't have like a one one
two one to three or something like that. You're not going for
two to one. I can see you're not going for two to one.
You're not going for 2 to1. You're going for like 10 to
one. 10 to one, 15. Yeah. No, I I just want that risk as tight as
possible and then like the upside exponential. So, I'm not
thinking about is it 2 to1, 3 to1, 4:1. I just want like a two cents
risk and like $25 upside. upside. upside. You're looking for an
explosive move,
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but as little risk as possible. Yeah. And um what you you
mustn't have too big a winning percentage and but generally
longs I see winning percentages between 40 and 50. I'm not
sure. How often are you winning? Uh I'm not sure. I'm not
sure on on Kinfo because that tracks my stats from so long ago. Um
my win percent will be a lot lower than it actually is now. Not that
it would be particularly high now compared to a short, but you know,
back in the day with a big account and overtrading, yeah, those
stats would be quite off. No, but it's it's just
interesting to um it's just interesting to know because say if
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you win percent is 40%. It's okay to lose more than you
win. When you've got the riskreward on your side, I can see you
keep your risk tight and you have and you have really crazy uh
riskreward. So, it's okay if you win the rate 35%. You can
still make 200 grand and like that's that's really good.
Appreciate I appreciate the the charts. I appreciate the analysis.
Some some nice patterns, some nice good examples of riskreward. Um,
I just want to ask you, um, if you had to start all over again,
it's common question a lot of people ask, but it's a good
question. If you if you had to start all over again, knowing
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what you know now, what advice would you give yourself? Well,
I can go one better perhaps because my sister's recently
started and so I'm giving her ad and um what I said to her was
um don't expect to make any money in your first your first your
first year and start with as little money as you possibly can and
expect to lose it. That's your prices of education. Whatever
you start with, you're likely to lose. to lose. to lose. Once
you can see consistency in terms of percent gain, then you can size
up safely. Do you think I guess sorry? You think so? May I guess?
Yeah. Yeah, I do. I've seen a lot of
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people um you never know. You never know. But um I've
seen a lot of people, especially when I was making money, so many
people were asking me uh you know uh about trading and how to start
and stuff like that. And um you know often people think they want to
do trading until they start it and the reality of it is very
different. Uh but with her um she's always been sort of into it
anyway. Um the way she's applying herself, she's just got
that thirst for the interest in like wow she can see it. She can see
the opportunity. Um so she is very new. Um but her understanding is
has increased quite a
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lot. Um so that's some of the things that I shared with
her and the probably the other thing I would say uh to somebody is
in addition to you know start with as as as little money as you can
I would say find the right teacher that's everything the right
teacher is everything and that can speed up your process uh
dramatically you don't know what the right teacher is when you
start that's the problem no then there's so and you
don't know which ones are legit and which ones aren't or
which ones are just all in it for to do the marketing and which ones
are are in it because they're actual real traders. You
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need to find someone who's a legit day-to-day trader but
actually gives a about the education as well. And like that's
really hard to find that and that's one of the that's one
of the reasons Kino is set up and um hopefully we'll roll
Roland B's this the second star of this Kinfo episode. So
hopefully we'll get him on and we'll give him a mention
and we'll get him verified somewhere along the line. love to
have blank came for as well. But um if and the other thing is um um
um why why did you make it? And uh and by by the way when I say make
it I don't mean a million dollars. I
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mean like anyone who makes six fig anyone who makes 100 grand
like 100 grand is life-changing in England. Like I bought an
apartment with the money I made for 100 grand. Like 100 grand I
don't know about America. It's lifechanging in England. So
that that for me is making it. So, why have you made it in trading
and you look like you're on your next level and and others
don't? Um, well, I think, you know, again, you know, I
don't feel like I' I've made it. Um, firstly, I feel
still feel like I'm sort of at the beginning of my journey.
Well, not at the beginning, but like kind of yeah, I'm
regaining some consistency,
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which is great, but I wouldn't I don't I
wouldn't say I've made it. Um, but why I've I'd
say why I've achieved what I've achieved, I think
it's because the main thing is I'm it's interest.
I'm interested in it. I like it. That's that's
definitely the main thing for me because when you're interested
in something, you just do it. You know, you're not bothered
about any obstacles. You just go through it. Um, but the the the
like I wouldn't even call it a failure rate because what what
is failure? Do you know what I mean? A lot of people start trading
realize it's not for them. Fair enough. We'll call that
failure. You got to
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try new things to find out. But let's say that the
failure rate is is so low, so high because barriers to entry are so
low. Barriers to entry are so low when you want to trade. All you
got to do is download an app and you're a trader. Um but for
me, um the the the interest, the pull towards it was just so strong
that I was just willing to go through um whatever I needed to go
through. And I I could see like clearly that this is real.
There's opportunity there. opportunity there. opportunity
there. Oh, but and well well like great job for for sticking in
because uh you did what I didn't do.
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But I I was the opposite to you. I I made a I I got over 100
grand in profits. I was playing golf in the sun one day up 103 grand
on your account thinking, "Oh, I've made it. I've
made it." And then I lost like 30 30 grand a couple of weeks
later and then I still haven't recovered. So, I think I love
your humble attitude and and the difference. What most impresses me
is when you start a lot of people can find one pattern and make
money on it, but not a lot of people can adapt to different market
conditions. And when you're starting to spot random nuances and
patterns in the market
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because you're that obsessed about it, that to me is the
signal of someone who's one level above the the person who can
just find one pattern and make some money and then then they get
stuck. Do you know what I mean? But, uh, I I thank you for your
time. appreciate you coming on. Thanks for being transparent and uh
we'll close out there. Oh, my pleasure, man. Thank you.
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In
Episode 3 of Undiscovered Traders, Jonk87 sits down with Pace, a day
trader from Shanghai, China, who’s earned over $240,000 in trading
profits, being $140,00 within the past year. He shares his journey,
trading strategies, and the lessons he’s learned along the way. We
dive into his detailed stats, pre-market trading edge, and how he
balances risk. Tune in to learn more about shorting small-cap
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CHAPTERS:
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00:00 - Introduction
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06:30 - Analyzing Stats and Patterns
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09:30 - Pre-Market Trading Edge: Taking Advantage of Time
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21:00 - Persistence Pays: Pace’s Advice for New Traders
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today we're talking to Pace hi guys I'm Pace from
Shai it was at alltime highs with with with $140,000 of profit that
this stock squeeze up to 20 30 50 and even to 100 but this is on the
front side so it's pretty dangerous welcome to undiscovered
trainers the podcast that focuses on the charts stats and Edge of
the latest six figure verified trainers who have RAR if ever been
interviewed before today we're talking to Pace from Shanghai
China it was at alltime highs with $140,000 of profit which
he's made just in the last year so today we're going to
cover his stats H some some what it what it does for his Edge in
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a little bit on charts but first of all PE you are running at
peace to the million dollars how are you say St thank you st looking
forward to to it and uh hi guys I'm P from sh hi and uh glad to
talk with stepan today uh P it's very very very good to have a
someone else representing China we only say Steven Ducks from China
yeah I mean so I was a undergraduate and graduate student in US
several years ago and uh and it was during that time that I
discovered trading day trading and uh and also Steven Ducks you know
um uh I have I have taken his course uh before and
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uh some of my strategies are derived from his strategy so um
it's definitely my uh kind of like model for trading for the
trading pass so um um yeah very very nice so is that someone someone
that you aspired to be like I mean from your point of view from
taking his course is that anything that you notice about I've
actually met stepen Ducks I met him I've met Steven Ducks once
or twice I met him at a Tim SE confence years ago I've
interviewed him uh Steven Ducks as well but is there any any one
thing that makes him stand out is like such a great Trader yeah so
and I think several things
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that so there are a lot of different great Traders and
mentors on YouTube and uh and you know uh and I think once it stand
out it's like um personally he is also Chinese so that we have
a lot of income and he's also a a student from China and going
to uh us for college study and and his background is not Finance uh
he's not a finance guy he's not a um he's not F
he's focused on gaming and engineering and but when he
discovered training he I think one thing that and stand out and
attractive to me is that and he's very hard on working he
he's he's tried very hard on uh
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getting his trading better so making uh writing down the
stats uh checking down every volume and studying very hard and U I
mean that it so I admire him uh for that reason and I also doing the
same thing tracking stats and tracking all different patterns trying
tracking try to make my feelings and my uh trading better and
you've been trading for how long one have you been trading just
one year or year or year or longer no I have so I have been trading
since 2020 and uh you know uh during 2020 is the bull market as
everyone is going to the Mark I'm also buying for long long
longterm investment and also I
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I discover day trading and I try different trading strategies
I Tred log cap trading swing trading option trading momentum trading
Etc and none of them works well uh for the first few we of two year
so um yeah yeah H but things are going a bit better now you're
up 100K plus do you want a um screen CH we'll have a quick look
at uh some of your stats okay so we have got P's stats up now
up now up now uh P I'm very excited to take a look through walk
us through uh what you've achieved yeah so um I think uh for
the last last year I have earned this is my best
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year so and I have earned over 130 30,000 uh dollars in
profit and I think one thing that I'm proud of is like P record
here my accuracy is uh at about 23 about two3 and for my alltime
accuracy is about 23 and that's something that I want to
achieve because I want I want high accuracy uh I know that and for
grade Trader most the most ideal situation is that we have two set
of accuracy and the profit versus risk profit profit risk ratio is 2
to one 2:1 so that I think that's the most ideal but my average
and but my profit versus risk ratio is about 1 to one and even
it's
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below 1 one so I so later I will focus more on the um profit
versus risk ratio and accuracy I want to keep it at two3 so that is
my general stats and this is just only one of my uh strategy I have
another strategy and which works more on a larger account size and
and that one is so this one is more about day trading and we trading
our short shorting small caps and the the other strategy is more
failing options failing options failing options uh which is another
SE so um and but yeah this is my general stats for this particular
particular particular strategy uh and I think one thing that
particularly interesting
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to me is uh let me try reports and uh dat and time and my you
can see that for my p&l uh for the week and it's it's
PR different like and I have the best performance on Friday on in
Monday and Thursday even Thursdays Thursdays Thursdays my in total
is loose so which means that if I don't trade out Thursday this
better for me um so this is particular interesting um I would say
like and I I I I I try to analyze the reason behind it because most
of my strategy about shorty small cap momentum stocks um and uh and
I think like on Monday uh most likely it's like am because most
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of those stocks need news need news Catalyst however am most
of those stocks and they lack the uh Catalyst most of those Catalyst
come up the mate so that's why uh for Monday the trading you
know is more like um very the the stock market is pretty stable uh
there's not much small uh small caps stocks are you know
squeezing up higher um on Thursday I'm not sure but I will
definitely avoid it later so uh so this is the stat that after
analyzing the stat I try to adjust my trading stale to make my
performance better yeah makes sense uh is there much more on here by
the way for for anyone who wants
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where youve got your staty days and times you've got your tag
symbols this is this is actually free at the moment for for one
month free trial you just have to click upgrade on your account yeah
and another thing that I think on my Ed I want to talk about is the
pnl B and and hour because most of the day Traders um they they take
trade after maybe uh eight 8: a.m. and most of the momentum uh you
know from 8:00 a.m. to premarket to maybe 11:00 a.m. so this three
hours most of actions are happen during this three hours however
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since I'm in China so um I can do the full pro market
which means that um 4 p 4 a.m estd and in China it's like four
4 P.M so which which means that I can totally take the graphs of it
so uh later we will show the chat for T so that's how um I can
take advantage of the time zone in China so I can take advantage of
the trading um all the uh the patterns for for for for a because uh
those patterns most of the traders in us they cannot they cannot
play but do you not find that premarkets a lot of people say
don't trade premarket pre Market's dangerous you
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can't set stops in premarkets so how is that for you
because a lot of the profits are coming in Pre Market yeah so uh
that's pretty so I would say for new beginners um definitely
not try premarket because we don't have star water and the
spread that big however premarkets can definitely provide uh provide
you with a lot of opportunities particularly this one uh I I realize
that on 4 a.m and the 500 a.m. like the first hour of the premarket
some of the stock sometimes maybe happens once or per two twice per
mon they will squeeze up um by no reason and those those squeeze up
all the those Spike up will die out
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in like 10 or 30 minutes so while you wake up in the morning
the opportunities are definitely G for shorting opportunity for sure
so um since I'm in China and uh um I can I can try to size up
and monitor the pre-market access and pretty carefully however uh
the only thing in premarket is that you cannot test too much uh
because the volume and the spread are too volume are too low and the
spread are too large so we need to be particularly careful and
cautious during premarket but there definitely opportunities on
premarket yeah so I mean how is the how would you measure I mean
we'll look at the the chart later but
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how would you measure say a stock pop so you check
there's no news you check the float the float is more than 3
million the suck can still go to 100 you don't know it can go
from one to 100 so how do you measure where the top might be are you
looking for a double top or or what yeah yeah so uh when I'm
when I'm trying to shorten those stocks and there are two
things firstly I will size up gradually so I not for example for
example if my ultimate size is like 300 shares or 500 shares I will
definitely size like three 30 30 shares the first time and maybe if
it's
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sque higher and the 30 shares later so it it will be in my
comfort zone that's the first thing and the second is like one
the stock actually shows some size of weakness so that's the
ultimate SC that I'm looking for the science of weakness
it's either a double top um or it's like the TR line
breakdown so I I like the TR line breakdown even more because like
why up is are following a pretty beautiful trending line upside
uptrend but when TR line breaks down it's easier goes down
downside or it will goes with consolidation and I will I will try to
size up there and when the consolidation breaks down that's
another size
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weakness so I will I will size that more so um so try to size
up accordingly uh for different for different time zone different
pattern and but in your comfort zone do not set up too much at the
first the first the first time I uh I used to live in Dubai and I
lived in England as well um so I I would have the premarket just
like you uh it would be like 10: in the morning 11 o'clock in
the morning in England I'd be looking at the computer it's
5:00 a.m. in America and uh I I made a lot I made most of my money
trading in the pre-market just like because I
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mean when there's a hot sector uh or the Market's
really really strong premarket can be a little scary but when the
market is a little little bit weaker 90% of the stocks die pre
market you catch the moves that everybody misses and you catch the
bigger move and most of them fail so I completely understand your
strategy but you're going one step further we get doing the 4 4
4 a.m yeah yeah absolutely so that's that's what I figure
out and I think most of I mean not most but um a lot of my largest
trades are coming from the premarket because there are some uh
during PR Market there are some strange outgo Spike
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or you know whatever there's some low volume squeeze uh
which is which is pretty I know this Prett seems pretty dangerous
but I I would say based on my understanding and the perspective the
um low volume pre-market squeeze um easier to die out during regular
sessions because the pre-market squeeze up and are build up with low
volume which means that not not many people buy it but but if the
stock like squeeze up during regular sessions with high volume there
that's something you need to be cautious of because um yeah
that's that's different situation no that that 100% makes
sense because you know that the market makers and the manipulators
they're they're getting in when
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there's only the volume they're manipulating
the're squeezing the shorts but there's not much money in
it for market makers at 4:00 in the morning probably not even awake
do you know what I mean absolutely understand what you're
saying it's it's light volume it's likely to likely
to likely to fall um it could it could be some shorts getting
squeezed to C that it makes a it makes a lot a lot of sense what you
say I think I need to need to try this but um do you have any more
stats that you want to go for or shall we we'll jump to the
chart yeah we can jump onto the chat okay so now
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we are looking at uh one of pace is recent trades uh this is
recently it's only about a week or two back uh we are looking
specifically at this area so it's basically I mean p you can
walk us through and then I'll go to the day chart yeah
absolutely so and I think the T stock and most of the actually
happens during uh September uh 12 so on September 12 it's Gap
up and it phas all the way to $4 so um I I did not play on that day
but on the other day as I mentioned during premarket I noticed that
this stock squeezed up to 20 30 50 and even to 100
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and in five minutes that with very low volume as you can see
on the chat here and um so it's not this day yeah it's
this day yeah so it's just really it's just one it's
just 100 uh it's just five minutes and it squeezed up from 4 to
100 so with low one so this pretty crazy so the first thing I
checked is whether it had some deeply strange news but no I would
assume that they have no news because basically no news there's
no news can help a stock get Gap up like this per right so I check
there's no news so I know that this is a pure short sree so the
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next thing that I asked myself is um where should I get in
and uh and uh where where should I get in and how should I set up so
basically my uh I I I think this is a big opportunity because I know
it will Fed Up later so uh my size would be 300 shares to 500 shares
uh that's basically on my uh on my comfort zone so and on the
on the third on the third um five minute chat uh you you can see
here when squeeze up from 100 and just start out from UH 60 so this
is the first uh 5 minutes red candle so I SI up a little bit
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and then after 10 minutes it squeeze up to uh 65 and then
just so just a dogee candle and it start to fade and I I I would
treat this uh as a a normal double top and I set up more on uh 60
and 65 and then it it goes all the way down just one sec B did you
send the chart I looking at the the chart on the screen screen
screen here yeah so this is the chat on the chat on on the chart the
chart on the screen now right yes yes so so wait a second where
where are you getting in sorry because I can see it goes literally
this
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is a 15 minute ch right so it goes three to 130 in 15 minutes
yeah so uh so basically I so I size up a little bit while it go to
100 but this is on the front side so it's pretty dangerous uh
but one what you can see on third candle is a red candle which which
is what I said is the first side of wickness so I found the first
sound weakness I size up a little bit more and then after two
candles you can see that just one candle goes up to 60 uh 80 8 85
those 85 again so this is one I would say a irregular uh double talk
though
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the pattern in the premarket is not that you know do not work
pretty well but I would assume that this a double top so I
can't size up more so I try to size up here and after it break
down I did not size up more because I uh my profits are enough for
for my trade I I do not want to earn more and uh then and also I
would I would I'm afraid that during regular sessions it will
try to hold up several times which is which is pretty dangerous if I
my size is are too large so I did not start up later so my average
on this trade is $60 so
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which is pretty good and I would say 6 and I think I have 300
shares so I earn so I covered around $10 on the regular session so
um my profits on this total trade is around like one 100 uh uh 15K
yeah 15K but do you don't get scared because I've tried to
do things like this before and I'm short at 20 then I'm
short at 22 then short at 26 then short at 28 and then it goes to
130 yeah so my take is like do not do not size up too much on the
front front side uh because you you can so it's a temptation to
show why it gets 100 and
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I do I I do show on 100 and I'm I'm pretty uh
scared but my size are pretty small at that moment um and as as I
said the squeeze up on premarket I love it more because the squeeze
up premarket are more are easier to dial out but the squeeze up
during regular sessions like um LPA this year um that that is a
squeeze up during regular sessions is is more is more difficult
makes makes all sense but is there a point where you take take take
a see your average is 60 you take a very small position take a very
small position take a very small position if it goes to 200 or
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300s do you have think okay I'm just going to do you
have think like okay I'm down more than I'm comfortable
comfortable comfortable I'm yeah yeah absolutely I will I will
definitely have a stop stop out but my stop uh stop loose session
and for this trade is more like dur regular sessions so I what
I'm thinking and what I was thinking uh during that time is
like um uh so the premarket I hopefully is consolidation or downset
if uh during regular sessions for example at the opening BT
it's C up several times or it's C up over the premarket
highight like 150 I will definitely stop out because as I said most
of my
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Logics for this trade based on that premarket squeeze up um
it's not very strong so the uh pre-market uh pattern are easier
to Broken to to to be broken however if in regular SES there are
some volumes going uh trying to squeeze the stock up yeah I know
that something is wrong and I don't want to play with it and I
will try to stop out and try to set another sign of weakness to to
try again maybe makes sense and I'm sure that you've
tracked a loot of stats on this and I'm sure that you know that
probably 95% of these things fail so you know that it's super
super high it's just a
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little bit of risk on the front side right yeah and I
don't and so for my account because I'm doing the short uh
shorting strategy so for my account basically why I I I try to cash
out and while I earn a certain fixed amount of money so um even if
my you know uh my C are blown up like the best the the best the
worst the situation then I'm still I'm still fine so I
think that's some suggestions that will give to beginners if
you want to try shorting strategies you definitely need to cash out
because and while you're shorting uh stocks you everyone have
the possibility of being margin c yeah and
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like that's the thing as well there there's so many
brokers available now that will you can especially outside of the
USA you don't even need $25,000 right I think for you in for
you in China for you now if you've got a CH an account with a
Chinese residents TR you have like the option of $5,000 accounts
$10,000 accounts yeah I do I do have the option for and I do have a
trade zero account for five uh for 5,000 uh dollars but and this is
not very and so it's not a benefit to me because my my size are
actually larger than 5,000 so yeah but but it just you have the
flexibility anyway
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that you say okay if I if I blow $40,000 it doesn't
matter it's not the end of world yeah yeah yeah that's
that's for sure that's sure maybe maybe like if I maybe
later if I earn the half a million I will try something like an an
small account challenge I don't know I I I definitely ad I I I
definitely look forward to it but I will and I firstly stand up more
no but I think from from what I can say it's you you've
definitely got a solid strategy I mean there's there's
some risk in it but there's there's risk in the market no
matter what you do and it seems like you've
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got it locked down um I really appreciate you going through
the stats I really appreciate you um I really appreciate taking us
through the trade do you have any final tips for beginners or any
golden nuggets or pieces of advice for new Traders yeah so um I have
a lot of suggestions because I have been as I said the first two
years are are pretty bad for me and but and I have some of my
friends are trying to stting day trading start trading at the same
time that all of them give up um because like at the beginning of
the two first two year they found that it's pretty time
consuming but no profit
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so um they they all be up um but I my suggestion to beginners
is like if you love trading and it will definitely reward you but
you definitely need to try hard to learn and try to take pay because
there's no no pay no gain right because you need to so I I
don't know I don't I don't know others but I would
assume that most of the Traders lose at the first year U because the
first year and even though you can learn a lot of training
psychology you can read a lot of books you can learn different
patterns it it doesn't matter because um you are you are still
lose um but I
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I think my turn around is like after while two years I
realized that firstly I found my shootable strategy that fit my
characteristics and the second thing the most important thing is
like I Tred I have a better feelings for stock check so because
every day I try to you analyze the chats for small cap and large cap
immediate Tesla spy Etc I have a feeling that while this pattern
emerg is dangerous it will fade out Etc so this feelings is
something that you cannot learn from YouTube or from book it's
learn from your every day reading the chats so um so I I think so I
think that's why trading uh is kind of
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hard for beginners because you don't have the feelings
you need to build up the feelings but you need to pay money and take
Pace to build up their feelings and I mean you you've got your
strategy you found your Edge you've tracked your stats but I
mean for someone new where would you recommend that the started
where would you recommend that the goal to to get where you are now
to get the six six six Biggers uh I would say uh the one thing
important is that you you need to try to find the strategies that
fual characteristics so there are different strategies out there and
every strategies there have triggers that can amount from
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it however you need to find the C uh found strategy that can
definitely Feit your characteris for example when I tried day
trading uh for I tried scoping I tried to Long uh like only du LS
for momentum small cap but I can't do it um because my
characteristics I focus more on accuracy I know that those small
cups they can so for example it's like $10 right now and I want
to it goes to $11 and I can sell but one for example if I buy it uh
like 500 shares and it drop drops to uh 950 I will freak out because
I'm I'm just afraid that this uh stock will collapse and I
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will stop Bo and the stop goes to new High and this this can
happens several times and I realize that this is the strategies that
I cannot follow because I know that directional I'm wrong but
I'm shorting the stock I know that direction I'm right so
I can I can only follow the technical patters and as I mentioned I
have another strategy it's not uh here on Kimo it's more
about selling options uh selling out of money options and and as
most of people know that selling options has high accuracy right so
this this is basically the same thing basically the same thing for
shorting strategy so I want you um so I know that
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this feedback characteristics and if you follow your displine
to stop lose um uh on uh the expected value is positive and you can
definitely earn money from it but they are definitely people that
can you know stoping in stoping out in one minute or 30 second and
and uh uh those are those those strategy fits the character the
characteristics that are um quicker so um um so I I I used several
years to figure out my characteristics and and my feeding strategies
so I think for beginners you need to um so this is something that
you need to figure out yourself that's fantastic and I think
that that's a wrap I really appreciate you coming
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on uh it's thank you for being transparent based thank
you for going through your stats thank you for going through the pro
stats thank you for giving advice on the pattern you you've
give tremendous value to the community so if there's any fatal
fatal words I'll let you close it out uh no I don't I
don't I don't have any final suggestions and thank you
stepen for hosting me and uh and and also I would love to share more
of my suggestions and ideas later if we have any other sessions and
uh I will definitely so I'm I'm definitely um Welling to
help new traders to get all their situations and the last say I
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want to say is like if you love trading uh just take more
time to do it and even if it take PA it will reward you later good
man than your P thank you stepan
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Just stop there one second just so I understand. It only runs
10 minutes of the day. Did you say >> that's it? >>
You train 10 minutes a day. >> 10 minutes a day. >>
Malik is up 700,000. The crazy thing is that's in the last 6
months. months. months. >> One thing that's going to blow
people's mind is I don't have to do anything until here
for 2 years here. This is the process that I follow for every
strategy that I create. And you make a ton of money without doing
anything. >> To me, that is absolute insanity. Welcome to
undiscovered traders by Kin for the only podcast that interviews
verified six and seven
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figure traders. If it's not Ken for I don't
personally believe that you know that that person can have actually
made that money. And today we're interviewing uh Malik who goes
under the Kinfo name is it Mallet TQQQ trader. Now, Malik is up
700,000 in verified Kinfold profits. A little more, much closer to
the million in and his actual profits, which we'll get into in
a little while. The crazy thing is that's in the last six
months we've saw those profits come through on Pinfall. Uh, and
this this episode is a very special one. It's something a bit
different that we do to normal. It's pretty much a mustwatch
because in this Malik is going to
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determine his strategy, how he comes up with the concepts,
the the how he builds the models and builds the codes, back tests it
across 42 years of data, and then how he automates that process.
There's going to be like a small presentation and then a big
demo. Perfect for kind of people who are wanting to get into this.
But first of all, Malik, how are you? >> Yeah, doing pretty
good. um really excited to talk about my journey and uh everything
else here. But uh first of all, really really thank you for inviting
me on this uh podcast. Um I uh as I said before um I when I started
trading, I used to watch
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your videos uh online and uh they were amazing. I think they
were stellar and uh um lots of comedy in them and lots of value. So,
I used to love and uh watch those videos all the time. >> No,
I appreciate that. I was I was a crazy uh crazy 20-year-old 20 plus
year old kid, maybe 30 when I was just just starting those. Um one
one day I'll go back. Um I said I'd always do a podcast
and I'm I'm back on this one. So, that's that's
nice. But, Mik, in terms of your trading, trading, trading,
you've made an incredible amount of money in a very short time.
I I really appreciate that you've
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been transparent on Kinful, but also that you're going
to be transparent enough to kind of show us the process of how
you're doing it. And you are you more of like a a quant guy? Is
that the right way to say it? I'm more of a systems guy. Yeah,
I there is a small slight difference between quantitative and uh
systematic. Uh I am more of a systematic uh uh guy with uh a lot of
mechanical like everything is mechanical. um every rule and every
algorithm, every addition is all mechanical and it's tested
against uh the last 42 years of data um to make sure that it is
robust. Um I use a lot of stress
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testing and make sure that these uh strategies can stand uh
against a lot of market regimes, right? like com uh crash or 2008
crashes uh ups and downs like can it withstand all that that the
market throws at you every day day in and day out right so uh
that's what I do I'm very different from a lot of uh folks
that uh do the trading uh again like nothing wrong in uh uh um
having that kind of a manual uh dis discretionary trading um but uh
yeah I am completely fully automated at this point I don't uh
do anything in terms of trade execution or everyday day-to-day
decision making. Uh it's completely automated. I
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just let the computer take care of everything for me. Uh
because I have a day job and I focus on the day job. job. job.
>> That's absolutely insane to me. So you've made
nearly a million dollars without executing trades. >> Yep. I
uh it's been 3 years since I uh actually put in a trade in my
brokerage account. Everything is done by the computer and it does it
very very consistently. There's no emotions there. Uh it
doesn't matter what the rest of the market is doing, tariffs or
recessions or anything like that. It just does its job. And
that's what I really wanted there. >> To me, that is
absolute insanity. It's it's bordering
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on the what everyone's trying to do. Like
everyone's trying to build a a trading bot. I remember Steven
Ducks was talking about the DXNator and I mean Malik you you built
the Malaganator but um but like I just so first of all how did you
what's your background? How did you learn how to to do this and
then we'll we'll go a bit into a demo and and also what
are you trading um when you when you're simulating these
trades? >> Yeah, I can I have prepared a few slides. I can
quickly uh go through the slides and then uh talk about my
background and uh my journey uh if that's okay with you. Yeah,
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sure, sure. Let's do it. But I just one question while
you bring them up. H a lot of people ask me when they see people
make a big amount of money. >> H >> H >> H
>> how much did you start with? Cuz say if you start with 10
million and you placed one trade and you made 10% and you made a
million. So like what what did you start with? How did that journey
start quick? quick? quick? >> Yeah. So I started my journey um
almost uh 10 years nine years ago. When I started, I just had a
small account because I knew uh it was not going to go super well.
So,
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I started with like uh roughly 20K. roughly 20K. roughly 20K.
Once I uh figured out okay I this is my niche and uh I can
consistently make money I I went to a bigger account like I started
with uh around 200k and um yeah right now uh it's uh 200 220k
and then now it's uh hitting a million in one of the accounts.
I have a couple accounts um overall but uh yeah on the right hand
side you can see here this is my um this is my uh one of the
accounts uh equity curve um so you can see until 2022 2023 beginning
of 23 I didn't make a whole lot of money um
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and then I started making uh uh consistent money uh it
doesn't mean that I make money day in and day out um last year
was uh you know a flat period I didn't make a whole lot but
this year again market uh uh the regime suited my strategy. So I
started making money again and uh right now yeah this account is
getting close to a million dollars here. Um before that we can
quickly look at the Kinfo. Um I would say my my style is uh more of
a position trader uh where I hold the position like the core
position for uh as long as the trend is uh in place but I trade uh
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I trade some portion of those uh shares around it. So
let's say uh depending on the again the uh uh day and uh the
trend I might only hold like 30% of my shares but like tomorrow I
can add more and then day after tomorrow I might sell some more but
still like the position is not completely closed until it might take
3 months 6 months sometimes couple years. Um so it's it's
not a swing or a day trading strategy. It's more of a slow
position trading strategy. So that's why um when we go to the
um uh profit chart here, you see that there's not a whole lot
in the last two years. It
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looks like I made all the money in this uh last 6 months. But
but what happened in reality is like when I started in um 3 years
ago, that position I was holding it until like uh last year until
the bull market or this year until the bull market ended. um and
then uh uh the position was closed. So usually Kinfo uh tracks all
the closed positions and then the profit is displayed. Um
that's why you see this a little bit of a a jumpy state like a
steps um in there. But uh that's just yeah that's just a
different uh visualization here. >> Yeah, but it's
it's uh there's a lot of work there's
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a lot of work going on behind the scenes behind those uh
those jumps and and then so are you so I'm seeing SQQ there.
So, are you trading um is that the the NASDAQ? Is that a form of the
NASDAQ that you're that you're trading? trading? trading?
>> Yeah. So, uh so I'm a software engineer. I've
been a software engineer for 20 years now. I used to work at
Microsoft and then Salesforce. That's my background. I have
been trading since almost 2016, 2015, 2016 and consistently
profitable uh since 2022. And the key thing is I'm a fully
automated systematic trader as I said before. Uh I don't make
any manual uh day-to-day trading decisions. I
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don't uh I don't um figure out like what to buy,
when to buy, should I sell, how much to sell. All that stuff is
automated. The strategy is completely automated. I just let the
computer run it. Um right now I'm doing seven strategies. Uh
trend following and mean reversion are the two um categories of
those uh strategies here, both long and short. trend following I
would say is the bulk of the um bulk of the profits like is derived
from the trend following and it's a low frequency trading like
one to two trades per week. So my system is uh or my uh system is a
pretty low frequency trading so it's not really like
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going in and out consistently um constantly but um it'll
figure out like when to really trade. Uh one more uh special thing
about this is I only trade TQQQ and SQQQ. Uh these are the only two
ETFs that I trade. Uh one is a long triple leveraged uh NASDAQ 100.
The other one is a short triple leveraged NASDAQ 100. Um so if I
need to short I uh the the algorithm chooses SQQ. If I need to be
long it chooses TQQQ. Um so that's the only thing that it does.
It doesn't trade individual stocks. it doesn't do anything
else. roughly the last three years uh since I went into production
uh means I started uh
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this algorithm into the actual brokerage accounts my annual
rate is around 40% uh return with uh uh there were a couple times
where I hit a 33% draw down almost 30% draw downs and u my I I put
my uh strategy signals at collective too uh so that everybody like
anybody can actually take them and consume it um either they get
emails SMS uh messages uh messages uh messages uh text messages.
Whenever I put a trade in my account, it automatically sends all
those signals in real time uh through collective. through
collective. through collective. >> I may be contacting you for
that after. I may be having a quick chat with about getting those
signals.
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>> No. Um yeah, this this a few a few people have
subscribed to those signals. If you go to collective 2 and uh check
my uh strategy there, um they have live accounts like they have live
brokerage money assigned to my strategy. So, right now there's
$50,000 of uh money that's um uh where these signals are being
applied. Um that's real uh people. >> I'll put a
link I'll put a link in the description so people can link
directly to it. Don't worry about it. So, there's a link
in the description below. >> Cool. All right. Uh let's uh
keep going. Um and then my journey um I I categorized it as into
three phases
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here. Uh exploratory phase, a discovery phase, and then a
growth phase. Um I'm pretty sure like most of the successful
traders when you look at them these are the uh phases that they
usually go through. Um and exploratory uh phase is mainly uh
starting in 2016 I would say it lasted for 3 years. Um the key thing
here is that I would say uh it's a strategy hopping right
I'm trying to figure out what is my niche. So I tried with day
trading um stocks in play uh pretty much quickly in one year I lost
like 30% of my 20K. So it was just more of like putting your toes in
the water and trying
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to get a feel for what the market does and how the market
moves. Then I realized that okay day trading is not my cup of tea
because um it needs basically you need to sit in front of the
computer all day and u um looking for opportunities and that is
definitely not going to be possible for me because I um I'm a
full-time uh software engineer. I have a job and definitely it
doesn't suit my uh the way that I live right. So I started
looking for a different style of um trading when to swing trading a
discretionary. So here uh it helped me quite a bit to figure out
like hey how does the
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market move? Does it move like does it go up every day or how
when does it go up? How does it go up? Uh I started learning about
the market structure itself. uh the way that uh the market moves in
terms of like consolidations and then breakouts and then huge push
and then again a consolidation trends all that stuff I learned it
here again I didn't make a whole lot of money break even for
the most part um still again no consistent processor setup but in uh
after 2 three years of doing this I I started with like a pullback
and breakout setups just like anybody else I used to be a uh boom
and
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bust trader where I used to make money and then when the
market pulled back. I used to give it everything back and then it
caused a lot of frustration because oh man like I made ton of money
here but then I lost it in the next one month. Then I started
realizing that okay I need a process to sell not just buying and
then there was no risk management so it's all discretionary
like uh I didn't I didn't know how much to buy u so all
that stuff so the second phase is the discovery phase where the
frustration was getting bigger and bigger cuz there's no
it's a there's no progress so I was making
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money losing money making money and losing money all the time
at this point I felt like okay I No, I have a lot of knowledge but
there is no profits to show for it. So then I took a step back. I
mean it was a very tough time like where uh I feel like I have done
a lot of work here but there's nothing to show for. There was
points where like okay maybe I should just quit and uh do something
else right cuz it was a lot of frustration but then I started doing
a hard retrospection like okay what am I doing wrong here? Uh am I
really progressing or just like wasting time
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here? Then I started realizing that I am trying to play
somebody else's game here. Like for example, Warren Buffett,
right? Like we take his example, he does he doesn't do
charting, technical analysis or day trading or swing trading or
anything. He has his own thing like where he sits probably on a desk
and reads a bunch of um company earnings and reports and all that.
So based on that he is able to basically he created his own game
where he does uh some things that he uh is good at and that's
how he makes money. So then I realized okay I I need to look at what
I'm good at and I need to play
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play my own game not somebody else's game. Uh I need to
make my own rules and play that game because I'm good at it.
Right. That's the way to make money. And stock market is
awesome because it lets you play any game you want but you have to
be really good at that game. So >> yeah, I think I think just
to come in, I think that's an excellent point by the way
because like there's a a common quote that everyone knows
that's like excel at your strengths, but figure out what
you're best at and just go all in on it. Don't try and fix
your weaknesses because you're never going to ever be able
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to really fix your weaknesses sufficiently to be the best at
it and and it's exactly what you've done here. >>
Yep. So um then I realized that if you want to really make money or
if I want I wanted to make money, I need three things here. one is
edge uh conviction and then a process around that. I mean some
people say psychology is a major thing but to me that doesn't
make any sense like it's absolutely nothing for me. Edge is
something very different for everybody but once you have an edge
which is like edge I I define usually as something that you are good
at uh you can do better than somebody else
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that's your edge in the market. It can manifest in
different ways. For Warren Buffett, it is the edges figuring out the
companies that where he knows uh they are going to raise in value
over time and right now they are undervalued and he can uh stay with
that right. So everybody has that edge that they need to figure out
and then the conviction is also a big deal. Like just having that
edge uh doesn't make you money. You need to have a strong
conviction in your edge. Edge doesn't mean that you're
going to make money every day, right? Day in and day out. There will
be periods where your strategy or your edge is not
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going to make money. You will have a draw down and this
conviction is going to make sure that you are still going to use
that edge and when the market regime or when the conditions turn in
your favor then you'll make money. So the edge is something
like hey I have a sword but then the conviction is uh when you can
actually use it like it'll make it'll help you stick to
that edge when the things are not in your favor. And the process is
something that you need to use that edge over and over and over and
make consistent money. So all these three are very very essential.
In the discovery phase, what I
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did was I looked at all my strengths. Again, my strength is
analyzing data, creating strategies. I have a uh because of all the
um manual discretionary trading that I did even though it
didn't make any money I still have a really good understanding
of the market structure uh what works what doesn't work in the
market um and then I have coding skills because I'm a software
engineer I can write code and I can build systems and then I also
looked at my weaknesses if you look at a lot of discretionary
traders they can make these decisions day in and day out for a long
periods of time um it's really hard for me to do
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uh I that's my limitation and that's my weakness.
That's why I was not able to consistently take a strategy and
apply it day in and day out. Um and then I can't tra I
can't sit in front of a computer all day and consistently make
those buys and sells at the right time uh without those emotions
because emotional emotions are a huge part of discretionary trading.
So um that was a very difficult thing for me to do and that's
again my weakness. uh time commitment again um I have family and
then I have a full-time job. So, so what I did was um I looked at
what I cannot do after the looking at my
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strengths and limitations. I derived okay I cannot do day and
swing trading or discretionary trading. I can't do individual
stocks because you need to understand the um technicals and
fundamentals and you need to do a lot of market uh like a sector
analysis and all that stuff to actually trade the individual stocks
which I don't have time and I don't even have interest to
uh trade those uh trade like that uh cannot do fundamental analysis
because I don't have the background in that. uh most of the
technical analysis um I read later on when I actually back tested a
lot of that um none of that uh actually worked. I would say most of
the
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technical analysis like a traditional patterns and um um the
uh candle patterns and all those things they don't have a whole
lot of edge in the market. Some people make it work but uh
that's because of something else that they have not just from a
uh pure uh uh systematic perspective. So I I figured out that the
systematic trading through the index ETFs is my uh best way forward.
Again I wanted to do leverage because I'm not scared of draw
downs like 10 20 30 40% uh draw downs don't scare me. Uh
I'm okay to stick through those draw downs and let the uh
system run its course. NDX is my top choice because of
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the uh again I'm I have a background in tech very I can
correlate with the um NASDAQ 100 because of all the exposure to the
tech and the biotech. So I figured out TQQ and SQQQ are the trading
vehicles to go along and short. So once I figured out all these
things then I went back and say okay what is my edge here? uh again
uh don't want to repeat here but developing robust and simple
strategies based on timeless market tendencies like momentum and
mean reversion these are the two uh anomalies in the market that you
can say they existed for hundreds of years decades and they are
going to continue because of uh human
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behavior right the human psychology people tend to have greed
and fear and that's manifests in momentum and mean reversion so
I wanted to use my systematic uh use systematic trading couple that
with my coding skills and uh with my uh skills that I have and
that's my edge personally I gained the conviction through data
through rigorous back testing when I understood like uh how my uh
strategies behave in different regimes what is the expected behavior
that gives me a strong conviction of okay this is what's
expected and right now uh is my uh strategy doing the uh is it
working the same way it's supposed to work, right? And uh as I
said, the conviction
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prepares you to continue to grind through the tough draw
downs. Everybody will have draw downs, right? I'm I'm sure
like there's no 100% sure that there's no trader without a
big draw down. This conviction is really needed during those times.
And if you don't have that, you're going to abandon that
and go back to strategy hopping and all those bad habits. And also,
I need a process. I need infrastructure to consistently back test
and execute strategies. uh and white light is my tool that I uh
wrote like developed and designed and wrote from scratch. Um it is a
back testing as well as it does real time uh trading for me. I I
write my
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strategies in there. I deploy them, test them. I did I test
and deploy. Um and that's where this tool is born from. Right
now I would say when I started this there were not many options to
back test and uh deploy your uh strategies. Right now there are lots
of tools. You don't have to write them from scratch. There are
lots of tools available in the market um like a real test I
haven't personally used it but I heard a lot of good things
about that uh that new traders can u directly go there all they have
to do focuses on um uh essentially the the the strategy part of it
and everything else is
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done by uh those tools my tool the code name for my tool is
white light uh because it was so dark during that time and then this
was the tool that gave me hope so I named it as white light uh it
has back test engine. You can test multiple strategies at once. Um,
it does when you run the uh test, it uh shows you your equity curve
over a long period of time, the draw downs associated with those and
all the it spits out all the trades. So, you can manually look at
all those trades and uh gain some insights if you want. And it also
has the capability to run these strategies in
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real time. It can connect to my brokerage accounts, Fidelity
and Alpaca. And it gets all the data from polygon.io. polygon.io.
polygon.io. uh it also caches all that data locally in case polygon
is down or some something happened right so it has some uh
robustness and uh um fall tolerance built into it the biggest
improvement that I did in the last one to two years is sending
telemetry like alerts directly to my phone so that I don't have
to really babysit anything there so if something whatever it is
doing it will send me alerts like hey I this is this is a strategy
this is our uh uh positions right Now the this is what I'm
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going to do and it will once it does the order placements and
everything it sends me data and if there is some uh issue with any
of these uh uh uh steps here it will alert me uh it will send me
high alert so then I can go and uh take an action uh on that. Yeah I
mean initially yeah there were lots of hiccups back and forth I
fixed all all of the stuff and right now it's pretty smooth.
It's been like couple years since I have any I had any issue
with uh um execution or uh running these algorithms. So it's
been pretty smooth the last two years. Uh but it took me
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a few years to get to this point. And then I'm going to
quickly do a demo here uh talking about what does a real edge look
like for me and the conviction and all all the process in action.
action. action. >> I think what you're about to do now
that no one else has ever done before is is actually show the
process of systematic trading and how it's done. So I
don't want to I don't want to hold you back from it. from
it. from it. >> Awesome. So um the first thing is I uh from an
operational perspective I run uh all this strategy in the cloud AWS
cloud. So I have a virtual
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machine there. This is my virtual machine. I remoted into
that. And the cool thing is I even automated when it should run
because my strategy only runs the last in the last 10 minutes of the
day. It only has to make two decisions. Basically it has to know
should I buy TQQ? how much to buy, uh what is the position size per
SQ only two decisions it has to uh make and then based on that
it'll connect to my brokerage and then places the right orders
and stuff. >> Just stop there one second just to understand it
only runs 10 minutes of the day. Did you say >> that's
it? Uh because my >> 10
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minutes a day, >> 10 minutes a day. Um even that is
automated. Um I have resource scheduling everything set up so that
it automatically starts um 15 to 20 minutes before the market close
and um it just on boot it does this. >> If you're
enjoying this level of transparency from million-doll traders, hit
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So like it first step is it is going to uh let me see if I can zoom
in a little bit. Yeah, cool. So first step is it's downloading
the data for the tickets um SQQQ, TQQQ and the
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NASDAQ 100 NDX. It is running my strategy right now. Um the
it's called dual strategy because it can do both short and
long. I used to run only the long couple of years ago, two two and a
half years ago. it was only long long based long biased but now I
added uh in the last I would say uh one year I have added a couple
of short strategies also into this so it's running all those
strategies against some of the data that I have I'll show you
uh while it is running uh I'll show you the data that I have so
if you look at this folder like it's caching all the data uh
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let's look at the NASDAQ 100 here NDX NDX is the index
for NASDAQ 00. So you can see um it's just a simple um date
open, high, low, close and the volume volume is zero because
it's an index, right? So it is caching all the data from 1985.
That's when the index actually started and uh it knows it
already has data till uh yesterday. So it all it is looking for is
data real-time data right now and um it got it from uh polygon.io.
So okay let's go step by step. Um so it got the data it run it
ran my strategy here here here and these are the two critical
pieces. It determined that
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today my TQQ position size should be 30% of my portfolio. uh
SQ position size should be 0%. So these are the two critical pieces
that's it like those are the only two things that are important
uh at this point for for my uh for me right so um if I need to tell
somebody that hey uh uh or to myself how much TQQ should I be
holding today 30%. So let's say I come in with 100% of TQQ
today. In the last 10 minutes of today, it is going to sell 70%, to
make sure that I only have 30% >> uh exiting the close of the
day. Um this is some extra information for me
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to know okay why 30%, but not super interesting for other
people. Um so now what it is the next step it's connecting to
my brokerage accounts. Uh as I said I have uh Fidelity uh a lot of
accounts on Fidelity and Alpaca. So it basically said on this
account uh I have to buy 42 shares of TQQQ. Um it knew it knew how
many shares I already have and it said to be 30 at 30% you need to
buy it 42 shares. Same thing for the next account. Um and then same
account it says no changes needed for SQ current share count is zero
because the today's uh share count uh for SQ is zero
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and I already have zero which I don't have. It says no
changes needed for that position. Same thing it it goes to the next
account um and then determines how many shares I uh it needs to buy.
Now it didn't buy because it's still during the middle of
the trading day. So the last 10 to 15 minutes it knows like okay
this is the time and then it just goes and puts in orders for them
and uh uh make sure that um I am closing that day with 30% of TQQ um
in that in those accounts. So in a nutshell that's what it
that's what my process is. I don't like as I said I
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don't babysit this one. It just boots itself on boot it
runs this a lot of fault tolerance is also built into it. So if
let's say polygon is down it can um it can fall back to
different source of data. The only thing is like sometimes my
fidelity accounts like sometimes the fidelity broker itself there
were two instances where due to like in the bare market conditions
the there it couldn't put in orders because broker uh was
rejecting those orders but it could retry and then the last like it
retried for 5 to 10 minutes and then at the end of the like the last
minute it was able to put in the trades. So
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it can do a lot of uh recovery and uh from any disaster that
that you have. Even if you shut down this machine, if you let's
say if you shut down this machine right now, 10 minutes before the
market close, it's going to automatically boot itself and uh do
all these things. It won't let me set shut set shut my own um
strategy down. No, it's it's crazy because it it to me it
looks like I haven't seen anything like this since MS DOS in
1993, but uh it's it's clearly significantly uh more
powerful and and more sophisticated, but the the premise of what
it's built on. Looks quite simple. It's not uh any
it's
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not something that needs um a billion gigabyte computer to
run it. It looks fairly simple. fairly simple. fairly simple.
>> All it needs is this data. That's it. uh it it only
needs uh um this simple uh data this file and then SQ and TQQ
that's it um and the rest it does everything uh these are the
only inputs to it price right like the price is the only input here
there's no news it doesn't do any ML or machine learning
or AI or anything it's just pretty simple and the strategies as
I said there are seven strategies it's running all together and
uh based on the strategy uh output It figures out how much
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uh position says I need to have during that time. time. time.
>> Yeah, I know. It looks it looks extremely simple. I
don't think you're going to have any power outs or
anything like that from overpowering the electricity in your house
running those systems. It don't need too many servers. But I
mean, so how I guess how are you following the process to think,
okay, I want to look into this pattern. I want to look into that
pattern. Maybe this pattern is going to work. How how do you do that
first part? And then I suppose after you've got something in
your head, you back test it for 42 years and see if it works
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and start tweaking with the settings. But can you just walk
us through that part of how you do it? >> Yeah. All right.
Let's let's jump jump to that one. Yeah. So, uh, every
this is a process that I follow for every strategy that I create. I
go write model that code. Um like for example if you say trend
following uh it would be as simple as um let me bring up this uh
let's see um NDX a lot of people make it super complicated but
let me change into see uh you can see I don't look at charts or
anything anymore so I don't even have the right charting um
settings here but if
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you look at the NASDAQ 100 right a lot of people ask this
question like hey uh is it a bottom yet? Is it the bottom yet?
right? On Twitter, this is the most common question like, "Oh,
is it are we at a bottom right now?" Right? But if you just all
you have to do is like add a moving average, a 50-day moving average
um and then add like a 2 uh 50-day moving average on top of it.
Well, let's say so it's a simple um uh strategies like
when when you think of a strategy, all all I'm thinking is like
how can I model this trend? So uh if I represent my um 250day
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moving average in green here, all I can say is as long as
this price is above this 250day moving average, I say this is a nice
trend here. I want to capture this chunk of money here, right? Like
if I start my position here on the 250day moving average, when it
breaks, breaks out, I don't have to exit until the end here.
And I made like a quite a bit of money here, right? So, if you look
at my um Kinfo, the reason I don't have it's flat from
here to here is because I just held this trade like as long as I
could until the trend broke. Same thing um uh here the this
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year once the trend broke and once we came above this 200 day
250day moving average, this is when I got in and then this is where
I exited. Right? So this three to three month period has netted me
like almost half a million dollars here. I didn't do anything
special here. All I did was all the strategy did was as soon as I as
soon as we jumped above this 50-day moving average, it just went
with 100% TQQ and NASDAQ jumped almost I would say uh uh 15 uh 15 uh
15 maybe 20% roughly 20% from here to here and TQQ went 60% in that
time in just 2 3 months 3 months 3 months
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>> and my in these times I didn't have a single
trade. All I did was just holding on to TQQQ and uh boom,
that's it. And then it exited um around this time here due to
basically the shorts and the mean reversions and other strategies
also kicked in at that time. They basically figured out that the the
trend has been slowing down here. So we need to get out of here.
Right? That's in a nutshell like even before the last um bull
market or from here to here as I said 2023 simple. So you don't
have to ask a question like hey when do I enter is it the bottom
yet? No you don't have
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to ask that question. As soon as you are above the 50-day
moving average or 50day moving average you just go in. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, one one thing that I one thing that's
going to blow people's mind is none of these big runs have
started without the price getting above the 50 and the 250day moving
average. >> That's a huge edge, right? Like >> none
of these like if you look at the history of NASDAQ mathematically,
it's impossible for a rally to sustain and be huge rally
without it being above the 50-day or the 250day moving average.
It's impossible like you cannot have a 30 40 50% rallies below
these moving averages averages
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averages uh a sustainable averages sustainable rallies um
100% right like that's your edge a huge edge people that's
simple like it's just staring right in your face you don't
have to have a fancy RSI or some kind of a um Ichimoki cloud or
something right like you don't need anything it's just as
simple as this all you have to do is like look at the history and
then see oh like boom if I enter here I don't have to do
anything until here for two years here and you make a ton of money
without doing anything. anything. anything. Yeah I think on the
surface your strategy anyone who doesn't uh do software
engineering might think
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that your strategy is really complicated but I have a feeling
that it's not as complicated as people might think. >>
Yeah. Okay. Okay. So when let's say you write some strategy
simple as simple as that right and right now my strategy as I said
like it has seven different sub strategies in them they are all very
very simple strategies like mean reversion like when when your speed
of the velocity of your um uh of the trend is slowing down you need
to basically take some of the money out right that's a simple
concept how do you model that there are multiple ways to model that
you can do rate of change right you can just
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all you have to is like let's say you are going in the
car at 40 mph. If you're going to 50 now 60 then you know that
you're you're uh you are accelerating. You're going
above the speed limit and you are going faster now. All you have to
do is look at the rate of change from 40 to 50 to 60 you're
accelerating. But when it when you go from 40 to 30 to 20 then
it's decelerating. You're going down right? So it's a
simple math like all you have to do is like do a rate of change and
you will um have a mean reversion strategy right there. So simple
concepts like those you
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can take and model them and then back test and see how that
looks like. So this is this is the data that I'm um so first
let's talk about the edge right. So if you this is my edge like
this is my strategy equity curve starting 1985. If I apply the same
set of rules shorting in 1985 and do nothing, I didn't do
anything for 45 years, this is where I will end up. This has 80%
return per year compared to buy and hold of QQQ, which is also super
great. Like I think it it's like roughly 12% or something since
1985. And again, like it goes through draw downs and all that stuff,
but
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buy and hold of QQQ is this red line. If you instead if you
let's say you bought TQQQ which is a triple leverage ETF you
bought that it done really well until 2000 and then because of this
crash it came back and it never came back to those previous size but
it still beats QQQ for the most part the only problem is you have a
ton of draw downs here 80 90 95% draw downs in this TQQ and
it's very impossible to hold right so um that's it and
then my strategy if you look at this because it's a combination
of long and short. This.com when this crash happened almost 80% of
NASDAQ crashed. I
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am actually making money here still. Um I have still ups and
downs but I am actually making money here. Same thing with 2008. My
strategies actually made money here in 2008. Uh if it were run right
like if it were if I if I if I knew it. So the same way like now I
know I have in 2020 you can see the 2020 look it actually made a ton
of money here in 2020. Um I know where it struggles like where the
market is going sideways. It actually struggles uh a little bit
here. So I know the weaknesses of my strategy. Uh let's say if
the NASDAQ is uh flat for the next one
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year, I know my strategy is going to struggle. But
that's by design, right? Like you have to take the good with
the bad. So this is the edge and the conviction behind it. Now I
know I don't have to abandon this strategy. I know just
I'm know keep uh letting it play out like let it run right now.
Other data points that it spits out is when you run this back test
the monthly monthly um returns how does they look like yearly
returns how do they look like as I said like it does really well in
these volatile times but if you look at 1997 to 2000 those were
blockbuster years right it was making
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180% a year 300% 200% 169% even during the crash.com 2000
crash it it actually made 200% profit profit profit that year and
152% the next year. During the 2008 year, um it made 83 and 2009 was
155. The years it struggled like 2004 and 2005 were flat >>
and it didn't make any money because it's just supposed to
be flat, right? Um it gives you a good understanding of like in 2020
again it's 469% in that one year >> and the year after
2021 is 81%. So, I mean, >> yeah, go ahead. >> You you
you could have only in my head, you could have only um looked at the
market over the last as
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long as it existed and you've looked for the signs of
the change in the change in direction or where the crashes have come
and what's what's led to the crashes and you've
figured it out to predict any future crashes or volatile price
movements. Am I right? Well, I mean you don't have to predict
at all with this. So, um like look at example of this year, right? I
uh there was a tariff crash like 20% crash in NASDAQ. My strategy
also crashed when NASDAQ crashed but it only crashed 20%. But I knew
okay um I don't have to panic because that's by design
because I have seen so many of these 20% crashes before right
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uh this is one of the but look at what happened after that.
uh May was 23%, June was 20%, July was four and then uh August is
five. So I know how it recovers. As soon as the market recovers,
I'm going to make all that money back. So there is no need of
prediction and if there is like another crash in the next 2 months,
I know how it is going to behave. I know what it is going to do. So
I just let it do its thing and I don't interrupt. I basically
in a nutshell I just took myself out of this entire uh trading and
let the system do its thing. That's when
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the the the trading is uh consistent and it actually reads
the entire edge. If I come into the middle and panic and let's
say I stop my um uh strategy here, then I'm going to lose all
these big profits that come after that, right? Which is a huge
thing. huge thing. huge thing. So I'm not scared of these draw
downs like you know yeah bring me 20 30 40% draw downs I'm not
worried about it because I have seen a lot of these even though I
didn't personally experience it I know from the past studying
like the data here there were crashes draw downs and then the next
one okay let's go to the draw
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downs here this is a picture like a visual representation of
the draw down so if you have a 10% draw down you'll see
something like this here right and then this is the uh duration of
the draw um uh I plotted basically across the entire 40 years of
data here. In 1992 there's a 50% draw down here and it lasted
for almost 1 and a half year but if you were able to withstand that
uh look what happened after that like there was a big draw down in
the 90 it looks like a little blip but you have missed out on all
this big huge upside which is almost like thousand times your um or
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100 times your money in the next decade. Draw downs are uh
nasty and nobody likes them, right? But it is part of the game like
you have to withstand the draw down otherwise you won't be able
to um get the profit after that. So right after the draw down is
when you actually make money. So let the draw down go through and
then you'll make money after that. So these are all the list of
all the draw downs like uh all the 40 years in the last 40 years and
like this is a nasty draw down. I think in 2014 to 2016 when the
market was flat and it was like stuck in a range
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uh I had almost like a 30% draw down here in my strategy
personally I didn't again like I didn't trade my strategy
at that time I started trading in the last 3 years if you look at
the last 3 years I had two 30% draw downs uh on in my accounts which
you can see uh even like when you go to my uh Fidelity uh account
even though it looks smooth here there was this 20% draw down here
uh there was another 15% draw down this was a huge 24 25% draw down
here and even though this looks small here this was a 30% draw down
right here so you endure the draw downs I
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think that's the thing like when you have the conviction
you can uh go back and uh you can you can endure that uh uh uh uh uh
uh >> uh can I ask a question >> you have a lot of
conviction in your system I can see um it's back tested for 42
years 42 years 42 years >> or you taking profits uh as you go
or do you have so much conviction in your system that you're
just going all in to make as much money as possible by compounding
the profits? >> 100%. >> 100%. >> 100%. >>
You're all in compounded. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Cuz you can never predict the
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future. Something could happen that's never happened in
the in the last 50 years. But you feel still confident with
conviction. conviction. conviction. >> Yeah. I might hit a 50%
draw down, but if you look at it, this is all the money I made,
right? like, yeah, even if it goes back to 50%, all I'm going
all I'm going back is like 3 months ago because I went from 560
to almost a million dollars here in just like 3 months. Even if it
even if I have a 50% draw down, yeah, I'm just going back to 3
months ago. It's not a huge deal. This is all bonus for me. I
already made a lot of
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money uh in this strategy, right? So, I'm just going to
let it continue. And I know how because um this is built on um very
simple concepts like these. I know it is going to work. Uh because
that's how the market behaves. That's there is no um other
way that the market like the market tendencies cannot change, right?
It's all fear and greed. Like when the people are uh fearful,
they sell and then you go below the 250 moving average and when
they're greedy, it comes back up and then you you participate
in that. So it's based on simple concepts like that that makes
it uh act to the conviction. But if I have a
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strong like if I have a very complex strategy with like oh
like if the moon aligns with the earth and then Jupiter is here uh
in this in this formation then go by TQQ then that's not a good
strategy. It's not going to work because it's not made on
the timeless market tendencies right. Um so that's why I feel
very confident and I have a lot of conviction in here. >> Now
Malik it's a fantastic fantastic presentation. I think
you've given an excellent insight way more value than you ever
than uh you ever needed to but like this is kin for this is
transparency. I don't really have much else to say because I
think
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you've covered everything. It's just mostly if uh
to summarize if someone wants to get started in doing this other
than clicking the link below to find out more information about you.
How would you recommend they even started in the process that
you've gone through? >> If somebody is interested in uh
systematic trading, I would recommend first of all like spending
time in the market doing manual trading just like how I did. Uh if
you don't trade, you won't know these market tendencies.
um you have to be in the uh trenches to actually feel and experience
that. So the first thing is like uh start with less money like 5,000
10,000 whatever it is like you
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know very small very small money you don't care about
try out all these things like swing trading if you're
interested in uh position trading go try all these things and uh uh
experience that pain and uh that uh happiness of when you make money
right like all that thing you need first experience that then go and
see uh model like during that time you'll get your own ideas
and thoughts you'll be able to create your own strategies uh
from your market experience. That's when you'll have a
strong conviction. But if you borrow an idea from somebody else, you
won't have that conviction and you're going to abandon
that strategy when it is in a drawup.
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So that's my recommendation like spend some time figure
out who you are. um figure out what are the what makes sense to you
and then see if you can model that like learn some coding uh either
Python or something like that C# or whatever that you are uh Java or
whatever language you are comfortable with uh learn and then um go
and model that back test keep back testing I have back tested almost
300 to 350 strategies only seven of them actually worked the rest of
them are all like people say Oh, buy the dip or uh do this, right?
Like breakouts or breakdowns, supports and resistance. None of them
actually uh have an edge.
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Uh they don't work. They might they look like they work
on the chart, but when you take all the 40 years of data and uh run
that uh uh model against that, uh they don't make money. They
don't they can't beat QQQ. They can't beat beat TQQQ.
Uh they'll make money, but they're not as good as buy and
hold of QQQ, right? So right? So right? So um you can't believe
everything whatever is there uh especially on Twitter most of those
strategies look like good good on maybe some specific periods of
time but uh they don't look great over a long period of time
like they don't have that they don't because they're
not based
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on actual market like the how the market goes u and they also
don't believe in the complexity like don't think that your
strategy has to be super complex to make money uh I I the seven
strategies that have worked for me are the simplest of the simplest
strategies and uh they just work. Yeah. I mean there are some people
like you know uh Jim Simons and all those guys like you know big
hedge fund guys they thrive on the complexity and they have made
money but I'm not them right like again as I said I have to
play my own game and I let everybody else play their own game. So
>> no I think
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that's the >> go on do you have any final word? I
thought that was the perfect way to close out but go if you have a
final final words. Um yeah, reach out to me on uh you can reach out
to me on Twitter. Um my handle is uh real TQQQ trader. Um and um
yeah, initially I started with TQQQ, so I just kept it as that and
um I don't see a whole reason like I don't see a reason
why I'll be um moving away from this strategy uh at all. So I
plan to run this for the next decade, two decades. And uh yeah,
right now it's a seven figure strategy and uh
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I don't see why it can be a 10igure strategy because it
can scale um huge um millions and even to billions. So yeah,
I'll I'll keep running this. >> We'll be
I'll be following. I'm sure everyone else will be
following. I'm going to be looking for the updates and
I'll be seeing the updates on Kinfo, which is which is
beautiful. But two two things that really stuck out to me is uh play
your own game. Play to your own strengths. Um don't play
someone else's game. Play your own game. I think couldn't
have been said more beautifully. And the other thing is that
you've tested was it 350 strategies and only seven of them.
You've
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decided to look at 350 strategies that you think had a chance
at working and only seven. Only seven. So you've got to do your
work. Malik, thank you so much for your time. It's the probably
the most informative episode we've ever done. I think it
definitely delivers on the promise that we made at the start and uh
check the questions and the comments in a in a in a in a week or so
because I'm sure it's going to be fun. >> Awesome.
Uh again, thank you very much for reaching out to me and uh
it's a blast to uh share my journey and uh everything else. So
um yeah, really thankful and I appreciate
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What is your why? It kind of is to prove people wrong.
Welcome to undiscovered traders. This guy is going on seven figure
traders. I feel like a lot of traders fall in love with their trades
and the especially penny stocks. They don't love you back. So,
just be careful. It has this big red day. It has the second red day.
It has the third red day. Okay. So, in my brain, I'm thinking
who would wake up and think, let's short the fourth red day
into support. Welcome to Undiscovered Traders, the podcast that
focuses on the charts, stats, and edge of the latest six figure. And
this guy is going on seven figure traders. Today we're
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talking to I don't know how to pronounce your kimp name.
I'm going to go go go strata. I strata. I strata. I don't
how would you say it? This was stratey and then a stratata, I guess.
But I don't even like that. I might change it one day. I'm
kind of over it. All right, we're going to go stratti, not
strata from uh how do I say wora like Worcester? Yeah,
Massachusetts. Yeah, Worcester. But yeah, I'm from near there.
I don't know. Kinfo just automatically puts a place. It's
way weird based on IP or something. I don't know. We'll
But you're from the the state of Massachusetts. Yeah. Yeah. All
right. Cool. This stuff doesn't
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matter. What does matter is this guy is up 762,000 and a cool
34.6k in the last 30 uh days. And this is on a bad this is on a bad
stretch. You're you've just told us that you're going
through a bad period. Amplar and you're up 34 grand in the last
uh in the last 30 days and you're going through a bad patch. So
tell me a little bit about that. that. that. I mean, it's
it's tough to talk about money like that because I'll
sound like an by like I'm only up 34K, but like if like as five
red days in a row this week, okay, and still it's so
that's been a struggle
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and I feel like it depends on like the opportunities in the
market. This is how you should judge how much you're up. So
like C has just gone from like 5 to 60 in 3 days, 4 days. You know,
kids just went from a dollar to 89 bucks. So I feel like
there's a lot of opportunity. So I just wish I was doing better
in that regard. But in like a slower market there, that's when
I'd be like, "Oh, 34K, like that's amazing." But
like where I'm at now, it depends more on the market
conditions. And the market's hot right now. I feel like I could
be doing better. That's all. That's all I mean.
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No, no, it's totally it's totally cool. And
you're you're only I heard Kyle Williams talking about
something on Instagram the other day. It's like you're
only as good as your most recent trades where like if you'd had
say seven red trades in a row and then you just made made all that
money back plus 30k, you'd be like, I'm doing great. But
the fact that you made 80k and then you lost 50 of it, that's
that's the bummer, right? That's the bummer. Yeah. But I
just want to jump back a little bit with you. you. you. Um you were
a gym teacher. Uh, how was that? It was good. I loved it. I have a
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problem with it. I always wanted to be in a school. So, not
necessarily a teacher. I wanted to be like a guidance counselor, the
athletic director managing the sports, but to do that, you have to
start as a teacher. Like, you have to kind of work your way up. So,
I said like, what's kind of how do I get into the school
without having to teach kids like math or English class, right? So,
that's like a gym. That's perfect for me. So I did that
for a year and then co happened. So got sent home and then
that's how trading kind of got its way got going that way.
It's weird. Yeah. Do you think
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like you would have been trading if CO hadn't hit? No, I
wouldn't I don't think it would have ever happened. So I
would do it I would trade on the side like a little bit. So in like
2020, I would get home at 2:30 cuz the school day is short and I try
to trade like the last hour of the day and that I had like a $1,000
account. Like I really lose 100 bucks, lose make 50 bucks. Like 2 to
4:00 was my time. Then when COVID happened, I got a chance to be
full-time 8 to 4:00. I reached out to Jack Kellogg cuz I kind of
knew him outside the market. So I
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have Jack and then I have being home all day. So that's
when it took off. But if CO didn't happen, I don't see how
I would have been here to be honest. So as bad as CO was,
that's kind of selfish of me, but it was kind of a blessing in
disguise, but I can't really say that. But it's kind of
crazy. So So how did you get your start? Was uh did Jack those kind
of low price OTC's or something like that? What were you Oh,
everyone. How many times have you heard that story? Too many times.
Too many times. I'm I'm one example of probably thousands
where in 2020 you discovered the stock
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market and you're like I want to trade and then I traded
every OTC that mentioned COVID. So a COVID stock would be like hey
we're going to cure COVID or we're going to make the
testing kits and they'd go two three 400%. And it's like
oh this is easy. You just wait till the press release comes out and
you just buy it. So I did that 2020 2021 and I probably made like
50,000 over the two years and that was I didn't for not knowing
anything like I never even experienced losing at the beginning
because having good mentorship in a hot market it was really hard to
screw up kind of. So it's it started
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off hot and you know then it slowed down. All right. So,
I've got a I read that um you made your first 10K around August
September 2020 and then you lost it again. It was like I didn't
I don't think I lost the whole thing. I think I drew down cuz I
think it slowed down in the summer and I didn't know any
better. So, like everyone says slow down in August. So, losing in
August makes sense. Everything cools off but you don't know any
better. So, you log on, you still try to do the same trades and then
before you know it, you're losing. So that was a that was a
good learning lesson
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I guess. Yeah. I mean my my biggest failure like my biggest
failure in all time in trading was not adapting to markets. Not
adapting when a when a pattern doesn't work. That's the
number one thing that that killed me in trading. But I've got
two questions for you. Uh reflecting back on that period. Uh the
first one is what clicked for you to make the money. And the second
one a little bit deeper is what did you learn that you could have
only learned by losing? So the do you want the money for like that
first run or like what we've done now? Yeah. So what what
clicked for you to make the money on
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the when it first clicked? clicked? clicked? I would say just
kind of learning what everybody else was doing. So like I have an a
kind of an ego. So I'm always trying to do my own thing or like
I want to call Jack and be like, "Hey, I have this new strategy
or Tim like why don't you try this?" And like once I
realized you don't have to reinvent the wheel, I think
that's that was very important for me. So I just started doing
all the basic strategies and like keeping it super simple cuz I
always try to make things complex. Everybody used to be in a trade
and it was going well and I'd
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be over here in a trade that nobody's talking about, no
one's mentioned and I'd be like but if this one goes up
I'm the only one in it. So that was kind of a realization is
like everything in trading has already pretty much been discovered
at this point. Like I started to keep it really simple and just go
kind of go that route if that makes sense. No dude, it makes it
makes false sense. And uh my ego is probably even worse than yours
because when a position goes against me, I would think the whole
market's wrong. So nah, the whole market's wrong. And and
then I took a massive loss and so you've got
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your ego on both sides, right? That's it. But uh second
question, what what what what uh what did you learn when you lost on
that initial draw down that you could only learn from losing?
Honestly, it's like you kind of got to take that pain to deal
with it. Like people always say to paper trade to learn and I I just
never I feel like you just learn a lot about yourself. Like forget
the charts. Like I learned how I handle losing. I learned how I
handle winning if that does that make sense? Like you don't
really know yourself until you get kind of put in that fire like
that. So I learned how to
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deal with losing as a whole. Like how do I react after I was
up in a trade and then it came all the way back on me? How do I
react when I've won six trades in a row? How do I what kind of
person do I become when I've lost five days in a row? So I just
took time to learn about myself and kind of grow on that. You know
what I mean? Ah, mean? Ah, mean? Ah, hers 100% understand what you
mean and it's it's really important, right? Because I
think everyone always says who you are in your trading is kind of a
mirror of of who we are in real life.
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So if you handle five red days pretty bad, you're
probably going to not handle other things of similar stress level.
Say you had like four bad days at work, you're probably going
to react the same bad way of thinking like, "Fuck this I'm
sick of it." You know what I mean? It it mirrors who you are in
real life. life. life. Trading exposes all your real life problems
with me go outside the market. Like I'm not I wouldn't say
cocky, but I like to play basketball and tennis. So if I make four
threes in a row in basketball, the fifth time down, I'm going
to take like a half court shot. Not out of like
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cockiness, but just to push and see like what I can do
because that's just kind of what my ego will say. Or in tennis,
like if I'm doing well, I'll try to hit the ball between
my legs. Okay. So, I've had I've been like that since I
was 10 years old. So, when I start trading, right, when I start to
have a little bit of success, what do I do? I I don't get
cocky, but I kind of try to do stuff I shouldn't be doing just
to kind of push. So, it never felt like a problem growing up until
trading. So, now I've spent the last couple years dealing with
that. So, I'm trying
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to grow as a person and the market kind of lets me do that,
which it's really cool. Yeah. Well, if I could summarize that,
it sounds like you like to you like to feel good and you're
feeling good cuz when you do well good in the market, you feel good.
But then you want to feel great. You want as soon as you can push
it. I want to see how far I can take the good. Yeah. You want to see
how great. So I like coming back down to earth and then starting
over from scratch. Like the best work I do in the market is during
draw down and losing. Like I study the hardest
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when things aren't going well. When things go good, I go
with the flow. And then couple red days, like this weekend, I'm
going to study. Like I'm not leaving my house this weekend.
Like figure out what just went wrong. And then I guarantee like
I'll have a good few weeks soon. And then the cycle starts
over. You know, you go go and then you pull back. Okay, reset. So
that's kind of been my cycle for a while. That's just how
it goes. That's the I suppose that's the edge edge and
technical and adapting to the market kind of side of it. But how
how's your psychology when you're saying that you've
noticed flaws in your
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personality that needed to grow with the market or you needed
to adapt for the market? Have you felt that you could make those
adaptations or do you feel like you can't can't change who
you are? I think that's literally what I'm going through
right now. I think I can change. I think you don't have to
change yourself as a whole. You just have to find ways to use it to
your advantage, right? So, what if in the future I study harder when
I'm winning, right? What if when I'm losing I cool off and
take a break? What if I flipped it? Like, how good would I do? So,
I'm kind of just taking the energy
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that I have and trying to transform it into a good thing like
outside the market. if I do good in tennis instead of trying to do
some move, why don't I double down and use that energy to do a
smart move and then I'm winning even more. So, I think
it's all possible. I think I like what I have, but if with some
tweaks, it can be a lot better. So, not changing yourself
completely, but just using your energy in better places, if that
makes sense. No, I mean, and and we all work on and we all need to.
I mean, for me as well, when I used to take a big loss, I used
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to just drink a bottle of whiskey and and now I think like
now I think why don't I drink half a bottle of whiskey maybe 6
months ago and now now now I think don't drink any whiskey.
Just figure out what you did wrong and try and fix it. Do you know
what I mean? But um I read somewhere that you you're not
interested in Lambo money. Um I read on an Instagram post that
you're not interested in making the Lambo money. money. money.
Um, are you you is that is that correct or I don't like I
don't see I don't know everyone's different so
everyone's chasing something different like Lambo money like I
listen
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let's be clear if I got Lambo money I wouldn't be
mad about it okay and that if my trading gets better maybe I can get
in that conversation I don't feel like I need it like it
I'm just trying to have like a happy life like I have European
parents who come from a village right like We're very down to
earth. We don't grew up middle class like but I I also
didn't grow up like super or po or either. So I don't have
this like killer motivation to like make it big. I just want to like
have a comfortable life and like in trading you can create any life
you want. So I don't
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wake up and try to make Lambo money, but I try to build a
process or a system that I'll have my whole life that I can
rely on so I can just kind of cruise. You know what I mean? Yeah. I
know I want to I want to let me rephrase that question. Um I was
talking to some people in Argentina and uh and I was asking people
what their why was why they got into trading. And if you said the
reason that you wanted to get into trading was to make money to buy
a Lambo, then you're not going to have the fortitude to make
it. So, but I wanted to ask you what
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what what was what is your why? It would be it kind of is to
prove people wrong. I feel like that's kind of why I did it.
And you can also make money while doing that. So, I got into trading
and I at this point I'm four or five years in and I used to
tell my friends back in like 2019 2020 guys like we should check
this out like who wants to do some trading with me and everyone just
shot me down and I'm like I don't know like I feel like
there's something here and then on top of that I'd love to
help people and that's what I was in the beginning I
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told you I wanted to be a guidance counselor like an athletic
director so trading kind of gave me that too cuz if I can learn how
to trade in depth, I can help other traders who might be struggling.
So 90% of traders lose and I wish I had like more help in the
beginning. Like I had Jack, I wish I had even more. So if I can
learn how to trade, I can help other people how to trade and make
money at the same time. It's like a win-win win-winwin. No. And
I think uh let's let's bring up your Kinfo chart and look
at your overall profit chart now because what I found interesting is
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like I think your first five years you made like 100k. So you
weren't one of these uh guys who did like in two years all of a
sudden you were like 500k up or something like that. that. that. No
it's it's very progressive. So if we go through it this
was when I was trading while teaching right? So it was right around
co right around here I was home. So this is when I got to learn
about OTC's a little bit and you can see like there was never
really any drawback because it was at that point like I said if you
found a co PR or something like it wasn't hard to do. Okay,
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especially if you were surrounded by other good traders
basically calling it out like at that point I was taking calls from
people. Anything Jack said I was trying to buy, right? Like I feel
like that's what everyone was doing at the time. And then what
happened is you start to realize that that's not reality. So
January 2022, everything cools off. So OTC's died out. A bunch
of new rules came out about OTC's. And at this point, what have
I done? I'm not going back to my gym teaching job. I have just
enough profits to keep me in the game. You know, I'm still
living at home. So what do we do now? We have to
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adapt. So I tried I spent a year here just trying everything.
This is when I learned from as many new people as I could. So like
along this journey I've learned like I'm a big Tim Sykes
guy. I've spent years learning in the challenge program. But
I've also taken time to learn from all the big people on
Twitter. Like the short bear has amazing videos on YouTube. I go
through his whole library. You know, I worked with Dan Irish for a
couple months, so I learned his strategy about structures. I would
talk to Bryce Tui before, Matt Monaco, like uh there's a guy on
Twitter I wanted to shout out JD Trades. Like he is
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one of the most consistent traders on Twitter. Kais is a big
name too. So I've taken time especially in that period to learn
from a lot of people and even now. So that happened and at the end
of the day you have to make your own connection. So you can learn
from whoever you want but when you're sitting in your room
alone at night like and there's no one there's no chat
rooms there's nothing going on you have to still be able to
make your own connections and kind of tie everything together. So
towards the end of 2022, I spent 12 months, no profit, just breaking
even, staying alive, right? And then I kind of
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had a revelation. So it's a funny story. I was at Giant
Kellogg's house. He was on the phone with Kyle Williams,
who's a goat in my eyes. I should have shouted him out, too. It
was him, Kyle Williams, and my good friend Ben Jamon that a few
people know. and the three of them were in a short together. Okay,
it was a very standard first red. I don't remember what exactly
the setup was. It was something that you should short and I'm
watching it. I'm not in a trade and the thing it's just
not breaking down. Okay, every time it goes to crack low of day,
they're like, "This is the moment. This is the
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moment." And it didn't. Okay. And I love them to
death, but I was laughing. So at by the end the thing swiped up to
high a day, right? So one after another, Ben's like, "Eh,
I'm going to stop out." And then Jack's like,
"You know, this. I'm going to stop out." Then Kyle
stops out. And it was that day, I'll never forget that day
where I was like, "There could be some What if you can identify
like bad not not like I don't want to call it bad short setups,
but short setups that aren't working that day?" and can
you just capitalize on the the momentum and the shift and just take
advantage of those
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emotions. So that was around January 23 and once I kind of
figured out emotion trading a lot more that's kind of when I
had my jump and then it's been pretty much cruising since then.
since then. since then. That's absolutely wild. But I mean so
what's interesting I've got two I've got a lot of
questions for you. The first one is kind of how I'm scared
I'm going to forget them because I've got I've got a
few things. But the first one is like how how do you approach the
like a lot of people are going to think like there's a thing
with there's a thing with networking in general that everyone
wants to know
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someone better than them and people don't really
everyone wants to get ahead and not many people want to help others
unless you're right at the top then you might reach out to a
couple of people. So like how are you reaching out and making the
connections because like are people not just being like off
basically or no I don't have time or it depends on the specific
situation. So I was always willing to pay like uh JD had a room a
year ago I was in the there Kyle and Dom and had their conference so
I went to Arizona and just paid for it and sat at the Dom and Huddy
conference. I think it
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was like three years ago. I've been in the Tim Sykes
challenge so paid for that. So, I had no problem like ever paying
for that experience. And then when you start to get friendly, like
all these guys were down to earth, too. So, once you start providing
value, they'll provide value back. So, like the worst thing you
could do is get to know some of these traders and ask a ton of
questions and then like don't say thank you or don't offer
anything back, right? Don't be transparent. Be honest. Like I
feel like a lot of people on Twitter will tweet a big trader like
Nate or something and they'll be like, "Hey, what do
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you think about this?" And they'll give you an
answer. They they're like they don't answer back and say
they just tell you to off. So I've always just tried to be like
personable and try to relate to them and give them my opinions on
trades or like I could tell Jack all the time now, hey, I kind of
don't like your short. I kind of want to long it. Why
don't you be careful with your short? Right. And this is Jack
Kellogg we're talking here. But I if he does if I can save him
from getting squeezed one time, maybe then he'll offer me
something, you know? So just the circle of life, you know.
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The trading community is already pretty violent and like
people are always mean to each other and fighting like just just be
like yourself and be down to earth, you know, have a conversation. I
think that's actually fantastic advice. Um because I always saw
people like trying to get to know people online and get things from
people and I just I was never felt comfortable with that being the
way and I was thinking how do you do it and it it is a case of just
going to people's conferences meeting them face to face paying
for it paying for the first experience and just saying and and
getting to know them and then you can say
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look I was at your conference I'm paying for your room
show that you show that you're driven and they'll think
this guy I've met him in person he's driven there's
not that many other people like that so they'll start to help
you a little bit more I think just something like like Big Kyle. I
love that guy. Like I went they happened to come to Boston for the
Dom and not Clover. They're Clover now. And they had a Clover
conference in Boston and I had no problem going to that, you know,
posting on Instagram. I'm at the Clover helping them out. You
know, what whatever you can do in any community. Like I love
shouting
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out Tim Sykes. My Twitter is like all Tim Sykes cuz he helped
me get started and now we're just cruising. So, I I'll
shout out anyone who helps me and I'll try to give them what
they can, too. It's equal. No, that that's exactly right.
And and the irony is um the strategy that made you this 600k in the
last two years. Like it did you you said that you came across this
on a youa moment. So, you spent a lot of time learning everyone
else's strategy, but in the end, you kind of figured your own
out. Is that is that it? the everybody else's strategies
created this ball of stratey and that's kind of
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how it happened. So yeah, I like I said, I spent six months
with like each person, not even talking to them every day. Just just
say I could go study Kyle's tweets from the last month. He does
a a monthly review every month on YouTube. They get a ton of hits.
You can just see what he's trading and then you can kind of
start to guess like, all right, he's in this, he's in
that. um learning what Jack traded, learning what Tim trades,
learning what Nate traded. I love Nate, too. And then, yeah, you put
it all together. So, what I used to do is I would see Nate's
watch list on IU, okay? And
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he would have all the short setups that he's watching
that day. And I wouldn't be an and be like, I'm just going
to wake up and try to long these cuz you're just fighting the
trend. You're asking for pain. But you can say, "Hey,
let's just keep an eye on it, right? Let's see how
Nate's trades are doing, right? Let's see how Jack's
doing." And then that's kind of how I got my edge cuz, and
the reality is 90% of traders lose. So if you can find their setups
and you just see how it's going, like more times than not, like
the average trader is going to lose. So you just kind of have to
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bet against it. That makes sense. Yeah. But it's like
that poker analogy where they're kind of probably already in
the trade. It's like the poker player like who is closest to
the button knows knows the most information. Like all these traders
have already made their trades and you're sitting here thinking
with all of this extra information I can see that this might be the
one that doesn't work. But I don't want to I I always feel
weird talking about it because I feel like it comes off like an But
there are plenty of times when I try to do something like that and
my trades fade. A lot of my losses come from uh light
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volume or no squeezes happening and you're caught with
the size and then nothing happens. So there's plenty of times
when they're laughing at me. Okay. So it it's a back and
forth game, but it's just riskreward. So you take a shot and if
you're wrong, you cut it quickly and if you're right, you
let it ride. So it ends up working out. But I feel bad being like,
"Oh, I I look at people's watches and squeeze them because
it's not how it is." But, you know, traders get stubborn,
too. So, if they're on the short and, you know, your short
should be fading by 10:00, right? 10:30 and it's still not,
who's going to be
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stubborn enough to hold and who's going to get caught on
on an uphalt? You know what I mean? I mean, at the end of the day,
trading is ultimately a zero sum game except worse because brokers
are taking cuts of locates and commissions out of it, making it
worse than a zero sum game. you are in battle against others. So, I
don't think there's any problem. You're not an at all
to look to exploit another trader's weakness. As long as
you're not going like, "Hey, you." Like, as long as
you're not doing that to people's faces, which obviously
you're not. You just playing the game. Oh, no. Cuz the majority
of the time, those squeezes
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have a lot of clues beforehand. So, like like I said, not
breaking down after a certain amount of times. Like every time a
stock goes to break low of day, it breaks it by a penny and comes
back up. and people get more frustrated, right? So, and the way I
learned that too besides watching them go through the ups and downs
is your own trades. So, if I'm a long biased trader, it works
that way too. I almost think these are the best shorts. If I long
something and my friends long and my other friends long and my other
friends long and we're all big size and it goes to break high a
day by
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a penny, okay? And it doesn't. And then it goes to break
high a day by a penny again and it doesn't. And now it's
like two hours into the trading day. So now we have all these ads.
We've gotten big and it won't break down. One of us is
going to blink and sell it. And then eventually the next guy and the
next guy and we roll over to low of day. Okay? So a short seller
could have did the same thing to us and said, "I'm going
to watch you trade this first green day or this breakout and it
better freaking break out because if it doesn't, all you people
with size are going
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to get caught up." And that's it. That's the
game we play. You know, you have to have uh a bias and then who can
lose the bias if it's wrong or not have an ego about it. You
know, You know, You know, you never think about playing at both
sides, both sides of the coin. How you doing? I'm not I'm
not ready yet to start splitting. I still like I said, I still have
my problems. So, I'm no perfect trader either. What problems? I
would say like these draw downs are still too big like you said like
the 30 40K I feel like to uh to be shorting you really have to be on
your
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game. I do a lot of oversizing so because I'm kind of
confused. I'm still this is my next question for the next year
coming up is a lot of the big traders say the good trades just work
right away. Okay, that's been my and I'm like yeah that
makes sense. When I buy a stock and it perks it should just go. Dan
Irish was always big on that too. He was like, "When I buy this
perk out of consolidation, there's no looking back." Okay,
so in theory, what I think is, okay, why wouldn't you go
overload your size because it's not supposed to come back, so
just get it in, you know? But when it
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doesn't work, you're caught with the size and then
you have to sell and you start to take slippage. So I'm kind of
tripped up on how much size do I take if the trade isn't
supposed to come back. So, I'm starting to learn new size for
worst case scenario. So, if I already have an oversizing issue and
I'm not confident on it yet, the last thing I feel like I
should be doing is trying to short tops. God, I don't think
I'm ready yet. And that's just me being honest with
myself. So, it is what it is. Uh I mean, how many short sellers have
got a problem with not cutting losses on the way
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up? It's it's the main reason these squeezes
happen. But, have you got any charts? I'd like to see uh do you
have any examples of of some of these these these trades? I I think
I think your strategy is unique. It it it makes a I think I heard
possibly I heard Tang Do you remember Tango Baker? I know the name.
I never trade with him or anything. Yeah. H he's called Tango
Baker because he dances Tango and he's got a bakery. So
that's a fun fact about him. He he at some times I think
mentioned something similar to looking for squeeze points and and
taking them long. But you're the first person I've spoke
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to on Ken for any podcast that specifically has this as a
strategy. So be curious to to show a couple of examples to help
people. So there's a couple ways you can do it. So this was uh
one of my biggest trades of April. I think I nailed I think it was
like 26,000. So it's not it's just a game we play, right?
So AR I love trading the the Tim Sykes framework. So it's like
the number one the big day of consolidation. uh sorry the big day
where it pops up there's a little consolidation day I traded
this breakout a little bit the one the two but this is where
I'm the most comfortable
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trading and it's a little I don't know if it's
unique but this is when I'm comfortable so it has this big red
day it has the second red day it has the third red day okay so in my
brain I'm thinking who would wake up and think let's short
the fourth red day into support. So that's the little lens that
I build for myself to give me some conviction. So if it's a bad
short in theory, wouldn't it be a good long, right? So who is
waking up and still short? Or if you're swing short for 4 days,
like you're already up 14 $15 a share like now I think
you're getting greedy, right? So
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there's there's two kinds of squeezes in my
opinion. There's the fear squeeze and the greed squeeze. So,
the fear squeeze is when the stock is already up a lot. You're
trying to short it and you cover and you stop out. But then
there's the greed squeeze where you're up a lot and
you've won fair and square. I'm not trying to squeeze you
for a loss. You you've done the job and now your ego or your
greediness is keeping you in too long. So, if you're short from
we'll give you 18. We'll give you maybe even 20. Uh
average trader right here 16 bucks. If you're short 16 bucks a
share, one day, two day, three
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day, you've gotten $11 a share. If you have not covered,
what do you what more do you really want? Right? So that's when
I come in and right into this day, I'm like, the second I have
some riskreward, anyone who's still short, I feel like this is
could be a good shot on top of being your standard bounce first
green day pattern. So there's a lot of things going for this
one. So, I got along right into here when this volume comes in and
my risk was just on this little level. So, you're only risking,
you know, 30 40 cents with that upside like we talked about to go
all the way back up here.
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And this day, yeah, I was right here. I think I made about
26,000 just selling into strength. But you kind of see the thesis
is, well, if you if it's a bad short, then what's left to
do? And this is one of the biggest runners of April. So that's
kind of where my game comes in. comes in. comes in. Yeah. It's
what I what I like about this is uh everyone's so focused on on
the day ones like the day ones longs, the day one shorts, the hot
stock, and you're looking at something that everyone else
everyone else everyone else is most of the crowd have forgotten
about. And that volume looks like nothing. The
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volume almost looks scary to me to take a big position in.
Right. Well, that's where I have to that's where my
slippage comes in. So, my win rate's very low. So, like a 38%
win rate and these draw downs do happen. So, that's why
I'm trying to tweak it a little more. So, this isn't my I
think if we were to talk again in a year, like I'm hoping to
clean it up a little bit. But, if it's scary volume for me,
wouldn't it in theory be more scary volume for someone
who's short with a 100,000 shares? Yeah, it's a fantastic
more more more who's more scared. So, yeah, I'll lose 30
cents if I'm
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wrong, but the upside is a lot bigger. So, we're trying
to find trades where the volume has dried up. Like, most people say
low volume is a bad thing. I would say it's bad for someone.
Who is it really bad for at the time, but like I said, 40% win rate,
if not like 38. And I take slippage sometimes. And I have my draw
downs, too. So, I can't sit here and be like I'm perfect
or anything, but when these trades work and you're on the right
side, they the upside's insane. And when $6 a share in 20
minutes, you can't beat that. That must be one of the best
feelings in the world when
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you see a live volume stock skipping a halting time after
time just knowing that shorts have got massive size. There's
not much better feeling than that. than that. than that. But like I
said, they're they they're not getting squeezed for a loss
that they're just it's time to it's time to cover. I
think T+1 is a big term in uh shorting or the the broker will give
you one to two days to cover. So if it hasn't hasn't
hasn't faded within two or three days that they're going
to buy you back in, but that's a part of the game I'm
I'm still learning myself, too. So there's a lot to it.
No, but yeah, the
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thing with you is you you say things that sound like complete
common sense that most people haven't thought about until they
hear it. Uh, which is one thing that one reason why I think this
podcast will be will will do well. Um, do you have a do you have a
second setup? And then I want to leave people with just these two
because I think the lessons that you've gi like I don't
want to dilute them anymore. Oh yeah, I see. that doesn't
bother me cuz like I I just read uh best loser wins by Tom Hoggart
and he was like now you people can share charts they can study edges
like they they the
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brokers offer the best resources in the world yet still 90%
of people lose so like diluting charts it doesn't really bother
me like 90% of traders lose because of psychology so you could share
I think I'm pretty convinced you could share your whole ledge
And Paul Maggie shares his stuff on YouTube. Shorebear shares a lot
on YouTube. And no, a lot of the big names don't really care
about being transparent because people can learn it as much as they
want. They're still going to screw it up because of psychology.
So I don't mind. But uh the second one, I sounded like an
because I say I try to squeeze George. Sometimes there's just
really good
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long setups, too. And I don't want to over complicate
things either. So was this month. Um this was the first green day
and then we had a breakout a very simple daily chart breakout. So
this is when you know take the long just be cautious that's
all. So it was this day uh we're breaking out. We're
breaking out on the daily chart. Massive volume has come back back
back in. And so this is where I could be an and be like let me try
to short it. But no like don't short the first day of a
breakout. Let's see if we can find like a long position. So I
think I bought it into here
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into the close risking 73. So I think yeah it was right
around 80. So I was risking 7 cents. I think I sold like a dollar a
$110 made like 3:1 4 to one on my money. And I didn't even I
missed this whole move too. So I have a lot of work to do. But I I
do it based off riskreward. So I was only risking 67 cents and like
I said I got 20 25 cents. So that was plenty for me and that's
that's good money. So took that. But uh one of the questions I
wanted to ask you before was uh when you're buying these say
it's like a dramatic volatile move
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to the upside. It has three days red. Are you taking into
account dilution to think ah is this heavily diluted? Maybe I
don't want to dip by it or you know not bothered. I probably
should. Yeah. So, you're not even looking at dilution and still
doesn't matter cuz overwhelming people are short. No, because
the way I perceive I think listen and in a year or two I could have
a different answer for you. We're just going with what I have
now. And I'm I just think everything is a game. It's like
a video game. So if there is a lot of dilution, right, there's
going to be a lot of shorts in it and the
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market makers know that and can still drive price up. So
I'd almost kind of argue very skeptical that you want to trade
stocks with some dilution because there are big money players were
short for that reason and that's going to cause squeezes too.
Now, I'm not telling someone to go on dilution tracker and find
the most worst company in the world and long it, but I wouldn't
be scared if I know there's a lot of shorts involved in
potential dilution. It's not going to stop me from taking a
chance. But that could be different in a couple years. So,
we'll see. Now, you said something really interesting before.
You said that um you could show
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all of your charts in Quo Magi. Quoam McGee. Quoam Magi does
as well. and Shaw Bear shows a lot of his stuff and uh still people
wouldn't be able to exploit the edge because it's a
psychology thing. So what I want to ask you is why do you succeed
when 90% fail? What's different about you? I don't like
talking about I myself but I feel like I understand emotion very
well. well. well. So like I I that example I used with my friends
all being long the same thing. Like I've felt pain from losing
when I was oversized in a trade and questioning why things
didn't work. And instead of getting mad about it, I
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feel like I'm open to learning how it worked out, what
hap what went wrong, what happened instead of just raging off and
being mad about it. So I feel like people who are successful, they
ask like why a lot. So you ask why, you find whatever answers you
can and then you try to use it to your advantage. So I used to lose
on longs all the time and they were perfect first green days and
they were perfect breakouts and they had catalysts and they had
everything and they would break Kai day by a penny and they would
fail and I felt that pain for years. So what did I do? I started to
learn
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other setups and see how they go. So when I see the chart
where it breaks low of day by a penny, breaks low of day by a penny,
I I can relate to the pain that they might be feeling and you have
to take advantage of it. So I I feel like I just I'm
emotionally aware of other people if I had to say something. And in
terms of a breakout are you're looking for I also hear a lot of
people talking about like it's often to be successful in
trading it's not the common things that you like it's not
because sometimes you can say you just need to do the basics right
you just
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need to do the the right setup the first green day trade the
breakout make sure it's got a cat list make sure it's got
a low float some people will say trade the basics and you'll
get it right but then someone like you is saying nah you've got
to look for this part of the price action that's quite unique
and if that level doesn't hold and then it pops back Well, you
have a bias, right? So, if you see a first green day, trade the
first green day that don't complicate it. You're not no
one's trying to be cheeky and short. Don't short first
green days. Okay? But you should study how they work, how
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good first green days look. Good first green days make fresh
highs, just like good first red days make fresh slows. And you when
you see a lot of people convicted in something and it's not
doing that, you have to react before they do. So when I'm in my
first green days and all my friends are in it, like not for nothing,
if it's failed to break Kai day four times and it's now
midday, I'm just bailing. I'm not waiting till my stop. I
This isn't working because two days ago, ARB that I just showed
you swiped up six bucks in 10 minutes. Those that's a good one.
That worked, right? So you have to you
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have to have experience with your work your you have to study
your winners and study your losers and find the common denominators.
You know my winners kept going and just kept working. My losers
stuff stuff stuff. So shorts when they're when they're
loser stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff I just buy it. But if
there's a stock just fading all day no I'm not stepping in
front of it. No I'm not trying to question it. They won. They
deserve it. They studied and that that's it. No no no ego.
Yeah, know it make it makes a lot of sense. Uh I can't help but
relate it a lot to my to my trading as well, but
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it's like for you it's a case of learn a lot of
different setups, monitor which ones are working in any market
environment and and go with it without bias or emotion. Basically,
that there's no bias. No mo just know what should be happening
versus what's actually happening. That's a big one, too.
Everyone wait goes to bed at night and they're like, "This
breakout's going to gap up. this breakout is the best breakout
I've ever seen. It's going to gap up. And then they wake
up and it hasn't gapped up and there's no volume, but
they'll still call you and tell you it's going to go.
It's going to go. They're so like in denial about
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their trade plan. And then it rolls over and they're
like, "How did this go so wrong? I don't understand."
So just just know what what's happening versus what you your
perception. And I feel like a lot of traders fall in love with their
trades and the especially penny stocks. They don't love you
back. So just be careful. Yeah. No, it's it's great
advice. I think the entire the entire podcast has been fantastic.
It's something people should probably watch twice. You you said
earlier that um you did some a lot of kind of events. Uh, is it NSA
builds that you did and you've done some stuff with a lot of
people on Ken for with
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Kyle Laptop Legend? Yeah. So, I've I've done
I've been to all of them. Tim conferences. The Tom and Huddy
was a big one. Clover I've been to. So, now we have Inner
Circle and I work a lot with Tim Sykes. So, Inner Circle we travel
around. So, there's like these like uh private challenge
students and we go four places a year. So, like we're going to
Mexico next week. We were just in Tampa. We have Positano in June.
So Tim basically rents out these like sick places and these students
come and we all hang out. So I kind of run that but not being a
millionaire trader like I try to help them with psychology
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and stuff but all the time we get like I have Jack come and
David come like a laptop legend comes and helps out a lot. Mari
comes, uh JCP comes. So, we've built like this inner circle
where we talk every day and help out and then four times a year we
all just hang out and it's that's been really cool to meet
new traders that way. So, that's what I've been up to
lately. N sounds cool. Uh I'll put a link in the in the
description for that. So, if anyone's interested, they can
check it out. But other than that, uh it's been fascinating to
talk to you. We actually knew each other before, but
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we didn't fully know that we knew each other. But
we've actually been in chat rooms back in the Dan Irish days.
Have you got any uh final final words of wisdom or to close out? I
would just tell people like try everything and just try to make some
kind of connection. Like everything I just said could be gibberish
to you and you're going to teach me something and it's
gibberish to me. Like I still don't understand what some people
do, but if it works for you, it works for you. Like I could have
pulled up that ARB chart and somebody else out there could give me a
completely different lens and thesis for that trade
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and that's cool. You just have to take the time to find
what works for you and make it make sense in your head and
you'll you'll do all right. Nice. Uh I have no doubt that
I don't want to jinx anything or touch but uh I want to get you
back on when you pass 2 million because I think it's uh
it's not going to be too far in the future. But thanks for your
time. Thank you.
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This trader turned $280 into nearly half a million dollars in
6 months, completing the ultimate small account challenge. His
results were so impressive that he broke the United States investing
championship records. He was literally removed from first place in
the competition after achieving a return of investment of 178,000%.
But all of his results are verified on Kimo. and he's going to
walk us through his live recordings to explain how he did it. And he
won't stop there because he's exposing the US investing
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Trader
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YC from Hong Kong who has completed something extraordinary.
A verified small account challenge starting with $280. Yes, $280 and
he's grown it into almost half a million and that is in
verified profits. Uh YC also recently took part in the United States
Investing Championship where he turned an ROI of a trading account.
He grew by 1,967%. Uh, I'm gonna let Trader YC talk us through
a PowerPoint he's prepared, which is going to be full of his
performance, his month-by-month growth, uh, some tips and tricks and
and an insight to the truth about the United States Investing
Championship. But first of all, YC, how are you? >> Hi,
Stephen. Thanks for having me today. How are
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you? >> I'm very good. So, look, I think
everyone's going to be wanting to know your knowledge of how to
grow a $280 account into half a million. You you've you've
you've you've achieved the dream that a lot of people want
to to to achieve. So, I'm going to let you just go into it.
Start when you're ready. >> Okay. It's a pleasure to
be here. So, uh these are the topic that I'm going to talk
about today. So um to start with my trading profit, I am at seven
figures all time right now and I have posted two small account
challenge publicly and the first was in 2020. I turned 1,000 to
50,000 in
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two months and the second time is this year I turned $280 to
half a million in five months. So I will share a bit of my story. Uh
back in university, I randomly came across day trading on the
internet and I thought the lifestyle was so cool. I start getting
interested and watch a lot of YouTube videos about day trading. So
in the beginning in 2017, I was just trying things out on and off by
myself because I was still in school and I was using my own saving
and I and I actually lost around total of 15,000 which was painful
but part of the process at that time. After a lot of practice and
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adjusting then I finally become stable and profitable in
around 2018. So back in the trading results, um I'm at seven
figures right now, but not everyone feels comfortable share
everything publicly. So my small account challenge is what I usually
choose to show that I'm profitable to the public. Um in terms
of my trading style, when I first started, I focus only in US stock,
one minute chart, and long bias. And I use candlestick pattern,
level two, hot keys, and indicators. After I became more stable and
understand the markets better, I slowly add short setup and some
longer holding trade into my trading style. And right now around 60
to 70% of my trades are on
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the long side and the rest are shorts. And it also depends on
the market condition. For holding times, most of my longs are under
5 minute on the short side. They are usually less than an hour. I
also use very tight stop-loss. I don't like holding losing
trades. If a trade doesn't move in the direction I expect, I
get out quickly. So, that's pretty much my trading style.
>> How did you How did you choose long or short? I'll
learn both. >> I actually start with uh long bias. So most of
my trades in the in my early years are long bias and I only add in
more short uh maybe recent 3 to four
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years. years. years. >> And and what types of trades
are you taking long? Is it kind of hot sector momentum? momentum?
momentum? >> Yeah, for my long is usually momentum uh like
breakout and more high volume and high volatility uh stock. So
I'm usually doing a uh in a very short time frame. So I'm
using one minute chart >> like whatever's got volume,
whatever's hot. Is it generally more small cap than large cap?
large cap? large cap? >> Yeah, usually small cap because the
fault is uh lower. So usually their volatility is much higher.
>> Beautiful. And just one more question. How do you identify
a good setup, a good long setup? Those will be
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based on my strategy and some of the candlestick pattern
that's showing on the chart and when I try to end entered the
trade I will look at the level two. >> Perfect. We'll see
some examples. So I'll let you continue. >> Uh so now
I'm going to talk about my small account challenge. Uh in May I
happen to open a trading account with a new broker. I only put in a
small amount of money like about 2,000 to test out the execution
speed and the short. Okay. So during that period when I was uh still
trying things out so I lose some money and the account dropped to
under $300. Then I suddenly have an
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idea. I decide to turn the remaining $280 into a new small
account challenge. I want to prove myself again and also respond to
the stereotype online that you need a lot of money to make a profit.
But starting with only $280 is pretty tight. There's almost no
room for the mistake uh at the beginning. So, but to speed it up, I
use some leverage in the early stage, which also meant I could only
trade setup that I am very confident about cuz one bad day can end
the entire challenge. For the broker, I use a broker that
doesn't have a PDD rules and there is a six time leverage. It
is very common for day
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trader to use leverage, but I only use some of it when my
account was still small. Some people say that leverage is very
dangerous, but if you truly understand how to use it, it is just a
tool to help you reach your goal faster. And as the account grows, I
do not need to use it anymore because I don't need to be in a
full-size position all the time. time. time. So now I will show uh a
short of the first day of the challenge. You can see that uh
it's May 28th and it's around 700 a.m. And this are the
stock that I'm trading as PO and this is the chart. This is the
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level two time and sales and these are the trades. the
trades. the trades. So in this trade, I'm trying to enter a dip
by in the reward area. So I just got in with 200 shares. The number
is not that excited because the account is still pretty small. The
account is just at around 280 bucks at that day. So I bought in 200
shares at around 1.45. 45 1.45. 45 1.45. 45 and I'm looking for
it to break uh the high of the day. So I can see that the reversal
happened. So I added more. I'm now putting 400 shares shares
shares and right now it's 500 and I want to see it to break
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the high of the day around 1.8. Uh is there any reason you
end this stock? Is there any like outside reason other than the
price action? >> Uh there is a breaking news on the stock.
Usually if they start to gapping up in pre-market usually they have
a breaking news and I would I usually trade those stock. Yeah. So
it's like the first pullback on break news. break news. break
news. >> Yeah. And I will just wait for it to break around
1.8. eight and I usually will sell it into the strength. So it
actually broke 1.8 and it squeezed to 1.9 to 1.9 to 1.9 and I took
profit at 1.9 and I did
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a quick sculp quick sculp quick sculp for 100 shares on the
next candle. So I made around uh 160 bucks on that trade. So you can
see the daily P&L right now is 272. So I almost double the
account double my uh 280 uh 280 uh 280 small account. So because
there's a leverage on the next day my buying power will also
double. So I can take a much bigger size the next day. So this is
how uh a small account with lef can go pretty fast. pretty fast.
pretty fast. Beautiful. Uh does the daily matter much for you? Does
the uh do you take into account the daily chart much or if it's
got
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volume and it's running and it's got news
that's what matters? >> I usually look at the daily chart
and uh one minute chart. I try to find resistance and support in the
daily chart and I usually draw it out on the charts so I can look
look at it when I'm trading. trading. trading. >> Nice.
>> Nice. >> Nice. >> But I don't trade on day
chart. I just uh use it for looking at resistance and support. So in
about two weeks I had already turned the account to $20,000. That
was when I took this account and enter enter enter um the um the um
the uh U United States Investing Championship Championship
Championship uh
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which I'm going to talk about talk about later. about
later. about later. As the account grows, I was gradually adding
size. So the account actually reached 200,000 by the end of July.
And here is the pullback. So August was pretty slow for me. there
was not much going on in the small cap market which is pretty normal
in the summer. So maybe I should have taken a break and so by the
end of August my balance was 164,000 and you can see this is my
monthly P&L and in September we can see there is a very big
upswing in my P&L because the day trading market hits up again.
There is this stock called OCTO
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actually went up 6,000% in a single day. I only caught a
small part of it and made around $18,000 on that stock cuz the
market has been cold at that time and I had low expectation going
into that day. But then I was well prepared the next day knowing the
market would definitely heat up after that stock. So, I made 50,000
the next day trading CWD and a few others ticker. And CWD actually
went up 2,500% in premarket with huge volume. And the next day, we
had WLDS going up 1,000%. 1,000%. 1,000%. And as a day trader, we
hunt for volatility and volume, and that's exactly what we want
to see. So, I end up
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making $240,000 in a month. I got some more clips to share
with you as well. >> Incredible. H can I just ask like most
traders don't know when to slow down and when to speed it up in
the market. How do you know? How do you know? >> Um >>
Um >> Um sometimes it it it actually takes time. So in August
I did really bad on the first day first day first day and so going
into the next week I did bad again on Monday. So I actually kind of
feel that oh this month is kind of slow. So I actually uh take a
smaller size and be more careful about what trade I
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takes. So for the next for the whole months I have been more
um try to be more careful so I didn't lose in some uh big tray
and for September um because there is a holiday on Monday so it is
still very slow but on September 8th uh because I saw the stock OCTO
went up 6,000% then and I got that the next day people are going to
be very formal of what they missed yesterday. So I know that the
market is going to heat up. Uh so in pre-market I try to be more
aggressive and take some larger size and be more aggressive. So
right here is a trade in September when the markets
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heat up again. And I'm trading this stock called YUL.
called YUL. called YUL. And let's take a look. So, this stock
is squeezing higher, but I don't want to take a trade at the
top. I don't want to risking buying at the top, and it
certainly dropped a lot. So, I'm waiting for a pullback. So,
right here, I saw a pullback and I got in for 6,000 shares. You can
see my size is is bigger than my last trade because the account has
grown uh bigger. So right here I'm looking for it to break uh
fall and squeeze higher. And because I know the market is really hot
and the momentum is going uh is
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trending up on this stock after breaking fall, I will still
look for more. So I just saw a big order in level two in the bit. So
I think there's a support downstairs downstairs downstairs and
I know that some short seller may short in like this candle and you
can see the volume is spiking up. So the short seller will get
squeezed out at this time. And at this time I tried to add more but
I didn't get to fill the whole position. So I tried to bought
in another six another 2,000 shares at 4.41 but it only do a partial
fill and it breaks out again and I sold my whole position at around
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4.6. six, which makes about 5,000 bucks on this tree.
It's uh it's beautiful, but I'm just curious if a
beginner trader tried to do that, they would definitely lose and it
would and they would be chasing. >> So, >> So, >>
So, >> yeah. You think they would buy at the top of this
candle? >> No, but you're buying a stock that's went
from two to three and you're buying it at three and taking it
to four. So if I saw a beginner do this and I didn't know the
chart, I would say the beginner is chasing. So how are you not
chasing and how is this an A++ setup on the first candle is
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kind of extended. The price action is kind of extended. I I
wouldn't buy right I wouldn't buy it right here because in
a one minute chart this is kind of extended extended extended and if
you bought it right here is considered a top for me at that moment.
So I'm looking for a pullback at least a small pullback so I
can get in in a uh spot that is have a lower risk. So I wait for
another uh candlestick to appear and I wait for a pullback. So I got
in got in got in at a lower risk price. So maybe ideally I can
divide until it reach uh 3.5 but because the momentum is
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uh really hot on that day I just got in a bit early. >>
Yeah. So you can see it almost uh pull back to 3.5 but because the
momentum is still there and I know that on this day the market going
to be hot because the day before this day is where there's a
stock go up 6,000%. So my guess is that on this day whatever local
stock that has a good catalyst, good news, good breaking news, they
might spy up a lot and because uh some short uh seller maybe they
short it in the previous candle when the uh price actually go up
that much with high volume it will squeeze out some short
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seller. So I'm looking for more after it breaks four.
breaks four. breaks four. >> Yeah. So, cuz 99% of the time you
can't do this, but you can do it if there's a 6,000%
runner the day before. So, it's really time specific. Not only
that day, but because September the whole month is really hot, there
more opportunity. So, I did very well in September. Ah, beautiful.
Right here is another on CWD. CWD. CWD. Uh you can see the previous
candle have a rejection a rejection a rejection but as it is the
momentum is still very upside. So I'm actually looking for a
deep buy instead of thinking it will drop again. drop again. drop
again.
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So, I actually bought in 2,000 shares at around uh 12.5 and I
want to see a reversal. And we can see that the price action is
showing is likely going to be a reversal after I uh bought in. So,
I'm pretty confident about this trade. So, I will add more on
the way up. You can see I just added another thousand shares at this
area this area this area and it went up to 14 and and and the new
candle cames up and I want to add another thousand shares right here
before it breaking the high of the day price level. price level.
price level. So after I bought in the thousand shares, it break
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out and I tried to sold all of them at 15, but I only got a
partial feel. So I uh immediately got out at 14.7. And this trade uh
makes around 6,000 bucks. bucks. bucks. And right here, I am looking
for a uh trade that's actually on the short side. So, I'm
looking for shorting this EMC after it breaks two. So, right here it
breaks two and I am in a short right now for 6,500 shares at around
around two and now it's 7,500. And the uh profit taking area I
am aiming for around this area around 1.7. And on this kind of trade
I sometimes took profit on the way down. I might take
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some partial profit on the way down. Uh, we need to look at
the right side right now because I switch to another ticker on the
left side. Right side is the one that I'm trading. So, I take
around a partial profit around 1.83 for 2,000 shares and I'm
still holding around 5,000 shares. And I want to see it drop to
around this 1.7 area. 1.7 area. 1.7 area. So what what would you say
is the main difference between the long trades you've shown me
and the this short trade now? What's the main difference? I
would say they are actually kind of similar once you get the price
action and you know that when is long
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buyer taking their profit and doing their entries and once
you understand how short seller they got in their entry and you know
their stop loss. I think they have actually very similar in price
action. But for some of the uh short side position, I usually might
hold it longer than my long position because sometimes the momentum
is not that fast. For this trade is pretty fast, but sometimes you
need to wait around half an hour for it to drop to the profit area
that you you would like. And it also take me sometimes to learn both
of them because when I first got into trading I usually do long but
sometimes when you you will
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get into some price action that there will be a for so I
would think why don't I just short at the four per hour. So I
develop another skills which is shorting the stock when there's
a force per hour. So on November 12th, the $280 has grown to half a
million in 5 months. Then I decide to end the challenge. The highest
point was $517,000. But then December is holiday season, so
there's not much opportunity. So there's right now a 10%
pullback right now. And I'm currently taking a holiday break
for myself till January uh and see if the market hits up again. And
my goal was to see how fast I could scale the
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small account in a short period of time since it had hit half
a million in November and I'm taking a break right now. So I
feel like feels like that this is the right moment to wrap it up and
I honestly don't want to keep posting update about this
forever. I've been documenting this small account challenge on
YouTube, but I'm a bit behind on updates. Uh the video I only
post up to July so far. Yeah. So, that's it for my small
account challenge. >> Nice. And uh I'll put the link to
your ch to your channel below so anyone can watch the updates and
the videos uh when they want. they want. they want.
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>> So, here are some tips for beginners. The first tips
that I got is that when you start, you should pick one thing to
focus on. It can be stock, option, crypto, or whatever. But once you
choose one, just stick to it and go deep. I've seen so many
people jumping around. They start with stock and then they see
something some someone posting profit from option and they switch to
that. The next week they see some crypto post and they switch to
that again. On honestly this is the fastest way to fail. Every
instrument has it own price action logic and rules. If you keep
switching uh you will never become good at any of
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them. And when you pick an instrument, you better choose a
trading style and commit to it as well. So the key point is to
choose one path and learn everything about it. If you don't
stay long enough in one lane, you will never master it. And you
actually don't need to learn everything to make money. >>
When you say go deep, uh what does that mean? How much did you study
uh to to get to the level that you are at? I would say you need to
spend every single day doing that specific things for around at
least half a year. That's the very basic timing for for for
trading. I think I spend around
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half a year to become a break even trader. So because you
need to beat the commission rate, you need to develop your own
strategy. You need to learn how to read level two, read the chart
and you need to understand uh where is the support and resistance
candlestick pattern. So I would say if you trade every day and spend
all the hours looking at the chart, I would say at least you need
around at least half a year to be able to be a break even trader.
And that's what I did at that time. >> Yeah. But you you
were not you were working or you were not working. You were just all
in every
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day all day and looking at charts. >> I was just all in
at that time. >> The next tip is that for beginners, you can
start with modeling after a successful trader. I don't mean
copying trace, but I mean understand how they think and why their
strategy works. If you can read books, go online or find a mentor.
It is very common for beginners to get lost or give up before they
see any progress. With some direction, it helps you avoid quitting
too early. And when I look back at my own journey, there's many
tough moment. If I had decide to quit on any of those day, I
wouldn't been where I am today. So
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looking at my whole path, I if you ask me whether I would
invest a bit more early on in a better tool, uh paid content or
anything that helps me learn faster, my answer is yes, cuz day
trading was life-changing to me. I don't want to mess it up.
And once you know the basic and know the proven strategies, just
practice as much as you can. After you keep adjusting and improving,
you will naturally find what's fit your personality. And over
time you will create your own system and your edge. For example, in
my academy there's a long strategy, short strategy, fast trace
and slower trace. But in the end, everyone choose the style they
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perform best in and that become their main focus. Eventually
you build something that is truly yours even if you start by taking
inspiration from others. So right here is the last tip. Um, I would
say start with a small amount or use a demo account first. When you
know nothing about the market, your first priority is to protect
your wallet. So, no rush. Don't think about getting rich fast.
For example, if you can't consistently make money on a demo
account, it is going to going it's only going to be harder when
you use real money. And if you can't turn $1,000 into 2,000 in
a non-gambling way, even though you put in a million in
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your account, you can't still you still can't turn
it into 2 millions. The size or the starting balance doesn't
fix the problem when you want to make money trading. Uh your skill
does. I think my small account challenge is a good example of that.
When your skills are ready, it really doesn't matter what
number you start with. even only 280 bucks can become half a million
in around five months. So, I know this tip sounds very general, but
a lot of beginners traders still can't follow them. When people
get desperate to make money fast, trading can easily easily turn
into gambling. And most of the time, people only learn this in the
hard way by
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blowing up their first account. So yeah, So yeah, So yeah,
>> the specific strategy that you do requires a huge amount of
discipline at all times. all times. all times. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How did you learn that
discipline? >> Again, I wake up and look at the chart and
trade for the whole day in the beginning of my career. At that time
I start trading at 9:30 and I just keep trading until 4 pm. It was
kind of crazy to take that many trade in a single day. But I just
want to learn faster. So I keep participating in every price action
in any stock that is moving. So as my
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experience has and as there's more experience emotion
size also getting better I feel that my knowledge is getting more I
am feeling comfortable looking at the chart and taking trade and
reading the level two and tapes and that's how I actually learn
everything. So practice make perfect. >> Yeah. In terms of
your lifestyle do you do anything like run, meditate? Do you not do
anything like do you drink alcohol, anything like that to keep the
discipline? discipline? discipline? >> I actually I do
everything you just mentioned. So I would say yeah pretty much
everything. I wouldn't say I can't do anything. Maybe I
shouldn't break my left arm. I was playing volleyball and I
breaks
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my pinky fingers which kind of affect me like typing on the
keyboard. So now I'm going to talk about the United State
Investing Championship that I joined in June. So, some people might
say that this competition isn't that big, but a YouTuber from
Hong Kong won the first place last year, which brought a lot of
attention to it in Hong Kong and the media in influencer were
talking about this. So, it kind of became familiar within the Hong
Kong trading community. community. community. So, at first I believe
it was a legit competition tool, but after going through it myself,
I realized it wasn't. A lot of people, even some media were
misled by the name
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of this competition. And the truth behind it is really
shocking. So I entered the competition in June with around $22,000
using the same account for my small account challenge. I was in the
first place in June, July, and August. And everything was fine
during those months. But in September, I did very well and broke the
competition record. The record was 912% was 912% was 912% for the
division that I was in. And my return reached 1,700% by the end of
that month. That was when he suddenly start questioning my result
without giving any evidence. I was later removed from the standing
with no official notice and no explanation about what rule I
violated. From what
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I saw, the entire competition uh is run by one person, Norman
Zeta. He's reveal he he reveals PDF statement on his own and
decide everything based on that. I originally thought this
competition would be a legit way to verify my small account
challenge. But during our communication, the whole thing seems very
unprofessional and I'm not talking about other participant.
I'm only talking about what happened to me. I talked to him for
more than two months, almost a hundred of emails back and forth
trying to sort it out. But his explanation keep changing and
sometimes they even contradict themselves. One big example was when
he suddenly said that only result from a specific broker would count
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and my re my result is not accept because I wasn't using
that broker. But there's no such requirement in the written
rules. According to the rules, anyone using any brokage can
participate. If being report on the standing required using a
specific broker, it should be written in the rules from day one. And
my name appear on the standing in June, July and August without any
issue. All the problem start only after I broke the record. record.
record. So I explained to him that the broker he wants is fine but
it's not ideal for active day trader. the execution are slower
and there are fewer small cap short short short so broker simply
doesn't make any
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sense for my trading style but he couldn't understand
even after I try to explain everything in details to him and to
follow his request I eventually move my funds to another broker he
wants and trade there for a period of time and using the same
strategy and the share size I make and around 80 returns 80% returns
in two weeks even though the platform is not favorable for my
trading style and this clearly proved my consistency but he ignored
that as well. So when I asked him about where is the broker
requirement in your rules he just said that we cannot predict
everything in advance I reserve the right to make my decision. So
honestly
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this was the worst excuse I ever heard like how can you
forget to set a broker requirement in a competition that is open to
everyone around the world and claims to verify trading result. So
back to his verification method, participant are only required to
submit PDF files, but I have provide every piece of ED evidence that
could exist. Uh full full trade history, deposit and withdrawal
record, monthly statement, live trading crypts and kinfo
verification, and even an official document from the broker
confirming my profits are real. I also told him that I'm
willing to do a CP CPA audit at any time, but he ignored all of
that. To him, the only thing that matters
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was a PDF. And we all know that PDF files are editable. You
don't even need AI. You don't need Photoshop. I can
quickly show how easy it is it is to manipulate a PDF file. So, here
is a random PDF broker statement that I export from a broker. And
you can just click edit and you can do whatever you want. You can
edit your profit, add your percentage. percentage. percentage. So if
I want the first place right now, I can just put in whatever
percentage I like and boom, I just got the first place of the
championship. the championship. the championship. And that's
how he verified profit for this competition. >> Yeah, you can
explain
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more, but it sounds to me that like the United States
Investing Championship, you you performed too well and and then um
he didn't like it, so he banned you from the position for
performing too well. It's crazy, you know. >> Yeah. And
he doesn't have any evidence to prove my result. He's
crazy. So, like he just he doesn't believe your performance. He
doesn't this guy doesn't think that it's possible. I
don't understand. understand. understand. In his email, he
actually said he believes my gain, but he's under a a lot of
pressure to report my gain. But I think it's come with that uh
he doesn't actually have a verification method. So, he's
in a lot
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of pressure. So I don't understand why he treat PDF file
as the highest level of authenticity which honestly doesn't
make sense to me. So after I already gave him all the proofs, he
couldn't find anything to question anymore. He start to making
up something to accuse me. He accused me for cheating as a market
maker with zero evidence. And the broker and software that I use
don't even have that kind of function. All my trades and clips
are showing that I was only using normal retail limit orders. And
that was when I realized he was just trying to find excuse. And it
also shows that he doesn't understand how trading actually
works. works. works. And
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you know what? Before he removed me, he even said that he
didn't know what percentage he would use to report my result. I
was up 1,700% in the competition in September, but he said maybe he
would use 600% that I achieved in August or maybe much less if I
don't do well from now on. I still can't believe how a
competition can just manipulate participants result like that. Why
do we need to bargain about what number should be report?
That's crazy. At another point his excuse was that he wants an
investing competition and he didn't consider day trading as
investing but he never restrict trading style anywhere in his rules
and there are other day
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trader currently on his standing who are not using that
broker either. That's double standard and it make me feel that
participant is like a cash cow for him as long as you are not
breaking the record. record. record. And if he truly didn't
want to include day trading, then why does the exact same day
trading strategy suddenly become investing just because he's
done on the broker that he prefers? So he keep contradicting himself
and never publish consistent rules that apply to everyone. everyone.
everyone. And here's the logic. So if my result were fake, how
could I stay in first place for three months with zero issue? And
that means that he doesn't have ability to
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verify the results. And if my results were real, then why was
I removed from the competition? That still mean that he has no
ability to verify results. So no matter how you look at it, it just
doesn't make sense at all. So as for right now in December, um
my gain was around 2,000% in return and ranking number one in the
competition. And now I'm removed. So after all this back and
forth communication with him, I start to think that there's
might be another reason behind why he was act acting this way. So it
almost $500 per person to enter and even a,000 bucks for in other
division. So there's hundreds of participant every year
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and there's no prize money at all. So even if you win,
so he's making millions of dollars from the entry fees. and
adding more restriction to the rules mean there will be less
entries. So removing me is the easiest way for him to continue his
business without adding any rules for other participants. And since
there's no prize money, the whole point of joining this
competition and paying the entry fee is to have a fair and verified
result. But it turns out he doesn't have any sort of ability to
verify anything. verify anything. verify anything. and he told me
that he is under a lot of pressure reporting my numbers. He said it
was risking his
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whole business which is worth million of dollars. So the
difference is very obvious compared to Kinvo. You guys have zero
pressure reporting my numbers because your system just pull data
directly from the broker and I can't modify any of the numbers.
But what you see on the screen so what you can see on the screen is
the truth. You don't need to feel uncomfortable about my
numbers. A fact is a fact, right? That that is why you can talk
about my return with confidence, but he couldn't because he
doesn't have any real verification system. He just look at a
editable PDF. So, which is very ironic because the whole purpose of
his competition is to
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verify and report result. But he even he he can't even
tell what is real and what is fake. And right now he quietly removed
me from the standing without any official document and he said that
he will give me a refund. But by the way I didn't receive that
right now. So the whole experience was like a scam to me and this is
so unfair because this is very misleading to my audience. People are
asking me on social media why am I removed it and I need to explain
to them. So thanks for thanks thank you for thanks Kinfo for saving
me from this and allow me to speak up today. So imagine if
there's
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no such a platform like you guys. Everyone might just assume
I I was cheating or I blew up the account but that's not the
truth. So my experience with this competition is extremely
disappointing. It did teach me that what real verification should
look like. >> Yeah. But I mean this is terrible because you
you paid that money to be verified. verified. verified. >> You
thought that it was credible. You paid that money only for that
reason. And then you >> and I know I won the competition.
>> The first phase right now is like 1300%. And I'm
almost 2,000%. >> Yeah. But it's it's not such a
crazy difference either. It's not like it's not
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like someone's 1300% and you're 20,000%. Like
it's there's only 600 difference between the two of you.
So, how is the other guy not under pressure to be removed? >>
I think he is using the broker that >> Norman likes. So,
he's still there. >> Yeah. But it just >> it's
not on the rules, right? No, it just sounds like you performed too
well and people other people got jealous and complained and you
performed too well and broke the system. But [laughter] >>
yeah, I broke broke the competition, right? right? right? >>
You broke it broke it with too much profits. profits. profits.
>> But uh but look, no, I mean that's what Kimo is there
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for because there's a leaderboard, but there's no
profit or loss or monetary value to enter. It's just it's
just there to to verify directly from the broker and that's it.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But uh yeah, without something like Kimo,
it's what do you do? Do you know what I mean? Because
that's your reputation could could be questioned. >>
Yeah. Because for you guys, you know, my profit is all real.
It's on the system. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >>
Yeah. >> Yeah. You just export from the broker. >> Even
now there we don't know what will happen next. You just have to
see. Uh so what are your thoughts on the on the industry
verification?
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Tell So right now there's lots of mixed information on
social media. There are fake profits. There's a screenshot or
demo account everywhere. It's getting harder and harder to tell
what's real or what's not. Especially for those who
don't know that much about trading. And this happened a lot on
Chinese social media too. Some people post and verify profit
screenshot and collect money to give financial advice. And at the
and at the end of the day, they might just blow up their account or
just disappear. It's so irresponsible. And the reason this gray
area exists is because their profit are not verified. So even a
competition that sounds this legit turn out to be a scam.
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At least based on my experience. This is also kind of ironic
that since the market is too messy, trader like us who provide tons
of proof still get questioned as fake by some people while some real
scammer can just use a few fake screenshot to trade people and take
their money. So I do think platform like Kinfos are very useful. You
guys raise the verification standard much higher and provide much
more of transparency. And my message to everyone is that especially
if you are paying to learn, don't just believe a profit curve
or some profit screenshot. Try to look at how those results are
verified. >> Yeah, absolutely. And it it's it's
that's one of
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the main reasons Kimble exists because it's I mean 5 or
10 years ago I think it used to be much worse. But if someone has if
someone in the past had a big following you just assume that yeah
knew how to trade. If they posted screenshots and had a big
following must must be a good trader. >> The world is wiser
now because there's been so many so many scammers in the last
10 years. >> Yeah. I would say like 80% of people like posting
this kind of stuff might be a scammer at the end. >> Yeah. But
the the fact that you did a the fact that you've you've
you've managed to achieve $250
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to to to half a million and it's all publicly verified
is is absolutely incredible. And then we've saw some nice
screen some videos of how you've done it exactly as well today
as well. But um one of the main questions I get when someone says
I've made half a million is well what what is their account
balance? Is it 10 million? Because if it's 10 million it's
very easy to make a million but but your return on investment is
incredible. incredible. incredible. >> Yeah. The percentage
actually sound pretty ridiculous. pretty ridiculous. pretty
ridiculous. It's it's in five months as well, right?
>> Yeah. I don't think we've ever had anyone on Kimo
with that good
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return on investment ever. investment ever. investment ever.
>> Thank you. You you do you have an academy? You do you
teach? >> Yeah. Yeah, I teach in I teach in Chinese. So
it's a Chinese course because I don't have many English
speaking audience right now. But if I got a lot maybe I can teach in
English in the futures. But English is not my first language. So
yeah maybe in the futures. Yeah. futures. Yeah. futures. Yeah.
>> But today went well. I think you you did a good job. But
no, it's unless you have any other any other uh goal any other
hints or tips or final advice. I think you've provided more
than enough
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value. >> No, I I I think I'm good. I've
talked about everything I want to cover today. >> Amazing.
Well, thank you so much for your time on today. Uh sorry about your
experience with the American investors. That sucks. That sucks. That
sucks. >> But we say you get huge value. you give huge value
and so thank you very much for coming on and sharing. >> Thank
you. Thank you very much. Thank you for inviting me.